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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

396.0. "help identify engine" by K::FISHER (Battery, Mags, & Gas Off!) Thu Dec 10 1987 08:59

I bought an unused but old OS .61.
According to the box it came in it is an OS H60F GR.
Anybody know what all the letters mean?
Is it Schneurle ported?

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Bye        ----O----   
Kay R. Fisher / \     

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396.1EASY TO SPOT SCHNEURLE.....GHANI::CASEYATHE DESERT RAT (I-RC-AV8)Thu Dec 10 1987 10:1724
    Kay,
    
    Can't really help you by means of the nomenclature [I never have
    completely figgered' out O.S.'s system] but you can tell if it's
    schneurle ported at a glance...if the intake port casting on the
    left side of the case [opposite exhaust] is very pronounced, almost
    exaggerated, the engine is schneurle ported; if this part of the
    case casting is, conversely, very slightly raised from the surrounding
    case area, it is coventionally scavenge-ported. (This applies to
    virtually any make of engine.)  If memory serves, the "Blackhead" .60
    was the last conventional-ported .60 O.S. made [nearly 10 years ago] 
    and all subsequent engines have been schneurle ported.
    
    BTW, I always thought "FSR" meant "F"ront intake, "S"ide exhaust,
    and I forget what the "R" meant.  Unfortunately, this doesn't give
    me a clue as to what "FGR" might mean, except for the fact that
    it's front intake and I "still" don't know what "R" stamds for.
    :-)
    
    Maybe yer' question will evoke a response defining O.S.'s lettering
    nomenclature system.  That'd be great...can anyone provide such
    info???
    
    Adios,	Al                  
396.2could this be the missing link?MDVAX1::SPOHRThu Dec 10 1987 11:573
    I think the "R" in FSR is for Rotary Valve.
    
    Chris
396.3HMMMM, COULD BE.....MAUDIB::CASEYATHE DESERT RAT (I-RC-AV8)Thu Dec 10 1987 12:468
    Chris,
    
    Maybe, but I always thought of rotary as referring to rear intake.
    I could be mistaken though as rotary could mean as opposed to reed
    valve as is used in most Cox engines.  In that context, rotary valve
    could apply to either front or rear intake which "does" seem logical.
    
    Adios,	Al
396.4Definite maybeMDVAX1::SPOHRThu Dec 10 1987 17:496
    Al,
    I think that's correct, because FS designates 4-stroke so the "R"
    says "2-stroke" cuz' they don't use conventional valves.
    
    Yuk,yuk,
    Chris
396.5OS engine codeSTRINE::CHADDGo Fast; Turn LeftThu Dec 10 1987 18:3423
Well amongst my useless information file I may be able to help.

The H60F GR is a loop scavenge side exhaust helicopter engine of the 1974-75 
vintage. This model was also known as the Black Head. This model was the follow 
on from the GP model of the 1968 vintage and was the last model pre Schnerl 
porting. Some spares are still available.

I have done some research and have now found that SR donates Schnerl Racing
(ie. 40SR) and had a side exhaust rear intake configuration. This was really the
first performance OS engine and was dated in the mid 70's. The follow on from
this was the 60FSR which used the first of the FSR series.

FSR stands for Front induction Schnerl Racing. A progression from this was the 
RSR as in 60RSR M, this was a Rear intake Schnerl Racing engine, the difference 
to the straight SR was that the SR had a venturi and no carburetor.

The V series of OS engine was for the rear exhaust engines like the 61VF. The 
new engines OS are producing the FP which stands for Front intake Plain 
bearings.

That about cover's the main line of OS.

John
396.6SO "THAT'S" HOW IT WORKS........GHANI::CASEYATHE DESERT RAT (I-RC-AV8)Fri Dec 11 1987 09:339
    John,
    
    Gracias fer' the info.  I was inclined to think the "R" of FSR stood
    for something other than rotary and yer' data in .-1 confirms that.
    I couldn't rationalize why O.S. would identify rotary induction
    as opposed to reed valve since, to the best of my knowledge, they
    have never produced a reed inducted engine.  Gracias again.
    
    Adios amigo,	AL
396.12Helicopter - what helicopter?K::FISHERBattery, Mags, & Gas Off!Thu Dec 17 1987 10:1813
>The H60F GR is a loop scavenge side exhaust helicopter engine of the 1974-75 
>vintage. This model was also known as the Black Head. This model was the follow 
>on from the GP model of the 1968 vintage and was the last model pre Schnerl 
>porting. Some spares are still available.

OK great.  What about this engine makes it made for helicopters?
I assume that all OS Black Heads were not Helo engines - right?

              _!_      
Bye        ----O----   
Kay R. Fisher / \     

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