Conference vmszoo::rc

    I'm  not shure Al, but I'm told that some of these conferences cost
    money to use...you might check into it 
    
    /Brian
    
    ...Let us know if you have any luck

    After you get that error  do a "Notes> Show error" and you will
    be given a much better description of why it did not work...
    
    Cheers,
    jeff
    

    haha, Al has discovered the ultimate computer disease.. I hope you
    have a lot of computes on hand.. This sucker needs a VS-II to run
    the display and a computer server (something big like an 8650 or
    8700) to do the attitude stuff..
    
    And no, it does not cost money...(since when do in-DEC notes file
    cost money to use ??). In the notes, you will find a pointer to
    the SW..
    
    md

    You don't need a big system to do the serving    if you need to
    you can use my system as a server IOALOT.  I just got out of the
    notes file, i believe it was ERIC::FLIGHT
    
    Dave R.
    
    

    Thanx! to all for the assistance.  I still can't access the simulator
    game but it's probably just as well...I have more than enough vices
    already.
    
    Now..., can someone tell me how to delete this topic (266) and all
    replies.  I'd like to clean-up after m'self and get rid of this
    non-pertinent topic.
    
    Gracias,	 Al

>    Now..., can someone tell me how to delete this topic (266) and all
>    replies.  I'd like to clean-up after m'self and get rid of this
>    non-pertinent topic.
>    
>    Gracias,	 Al

A good rule in never delete any topic.  You would be surprised
how may others may be interested in your question and answers.

I even like looking at the for sale items that already sold.
That gives us a good feel for what folks are ready to spend
and what kind of things sell fast and not so fast etc.

              _!_      
Bye        ----O----   
Kay R. Fisher / \     

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    Okie-dokie....it stays.  I just thought it was proper noter etiquette
    to delete a topic once it served it's purpose.  I stand corrected
    and can see the logic behind it.
    
    Incidentally Kay, how th' heck do you "include" lines from other
    replies for reference like you do??  That's a neat trick and I'd
    kinda' like to know how to do it.  If inappropriate to reply here
    in NOTES, send me a VaxMail at PNO::CASEYA.
    
    Thanx guys,	Al

>    Incidentally Kay, how th' heck do you "include" lines from other
>    replies for reference like you do??  That's a neat trick and I'd
>    kinda' like to know how to do it.  If inappropriate to reply here
>    in NOTES, send me a VaxMail at PNO::CASEYA.
>    
>    Thanx guys,	Al

Well - it's mostly magic that I don't understand.
I just checked cause I thought it was that way for everybody.

First there is this thing called your profile.
Type show profile to see what it is set at.

Also the reply command defaults to /Edit and /Extract.

So if you use the default EVE interface you have another window
with the old note that you can move to your current window.
Don't know how tho cause I don't use EVE.

In my profile I have 
   Editor and access: @NOTES$EDIT, spawn
   Default class:     MAIN
   PRINT qualifiers:  /que=narrow
   Personal name:     "Battery, Mags, and Gas Off!"
   Automatic on open: None

I have the logical NOTES$EDIT defined as SYS$Login:Kays_Editor.com

and in that file I have the following file which makes Emacs my editor
and optionally lets me run spell on every file.  But before you jump
if you're not willing to kill several hours learning and if you don't
have a resident Emacs expert near your office then I wouldn't recommend
that you start on Emacs.

P.S.  About guessing the age group.  I was listening to a Roy Orbison
      tape on the way to work just the other day.  Bruce who?

              _!_      
Bye        ----O----   
Kay R. Fisher / \     

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$   verification = (2 * (1 - 'f$verify(0)')) + (0 * f$verify('debug'))
$   on control_y then goto ask_again
$   !++
$   ! Kays_Edit.com - procedure to invoke an editor for MAIL, NOTES and NOTES11
$   !
$   ! Edit History
$   !
$   !	Which	When		Who	What
$   !
$   !	X01-01	 2-May-84	JLB	First numbered version - NOTES-11
$   !					Support added.
$   !	X01-02	 2-May-84	JLB	Add SPELL support
$   !	X01-03	 3-May-84	JLB	Optimize slightly
$   !	X01-04	 7-May-84	JLB	Make spelling correction default
$   !	X01-05	29-May-84	JLB	Remove the special NOTES-11 logic,
$   !					as it now works like the others.
$   !	X01-06	 6-Jun-84	JLB	Insist on an answer to the spelling
$   !					correcton question
$   !	X01-07	 7-Aug-84	JLB	Allow more editing after SPELL
$   !	X01-08	 8-Oct-84	JLB	Purge the output file and ask if
$   !					want to re-edit even if no spelling
$   !					correction was requested.
$   !	X01-09	12-Oct-84	JLB	Add CTRL/Y handling and purging.
$   !   X01-10  27-Feb-87       Kay R. Fisher
$   !					Make sure no semicolons are in file
$   !					spec just prior to the attempted Purge
$   !
$   !   X01-11  25-Jun-87       Kay R. Fisher
$   !					Change editor to Emacs
$   !
$   ! Inputs:
$   !
$   !	P1 = Input file name
$   !	P2 = Output file name
$   !
$   ! Usage:
$   !
$   !	NOTESEDIT is used by defining the appropriate logicals for MAIL and
$   !	either version of NOTES, as follows:
$   !
$   !	$   define MAIL$EDIT device:[directory]NOTESEDIT.COM
$   !	$   define NOTES$EDIT device:[directory]NOTESEDIT.COM
$   !
$   !	It is then invoked by the MAIL commands SEND/EDIT and REPLY/EDIT
$   !	and the NOTES commands WRITE/EDIT and REPLY/EDIT.
$   !
$   !	The /EDIT qualifier can be made the default for MAIL by entering
$   !	MAIL with the MAIL/EDIT command. If you want to do this always,
$   !	you should consider placing something like:
$   !
$   !	$   MAI*L :== MAIL/EDIT
$   !
$   !	in your LOGIN.COM file.
$   !
$   !	A similar trick works in NOTES-11, but not in the original NOTES.
$   !
$   ! Customizing:
$   !
$   !	You may have to edit this procedure to change the EDIT commands
$   !	to use whatever verb (XYZ/SECTION=EVESECINI) you use to start your
$   !	own editor. Similarly, you may wish to change the SPELL command
$   !	to invoke a different spelling corrector.
$   !--
$   !
$   if p1 .eqs. "" then goto EDIT_P2
$   !
$   define/user sys$input sys$command:
$   emacs 'p1'
$   goto ASK
$   !
$EDIT_P2:
$   !
$   define/user sys$input sys$command:
$   emacs 'p2'
$   !
$ASK:
$   !
$   read/end=EXIT/prompt="Do you want spelling correction? [Y/N] <Y> " -
	sys$command ANSWER
$   ANSWER := 'ANSWER
$   if ANSWER .eqs. "" then ANSWER := "Y"
$   if f$extract(0,1,ANSWER) .eqs. "N" then goto ASK_AGAIN
$   if f$extract(0,1,ANSWER) .nes. "Y" then goto ASK
$   !
$   define/user sys$input sys$command:
$   SPELL 'p2'
$   !
$ASK_AGAIN:
$   !
$   on control_y then goto ask_again
$   read/end=EXIT/prompt="Do you want to re-edit? [Y/N] <N> " -
	sys$command ANSWER
$   ANSWER := 'ANSWER
$   if ANSWER .eqs. "" then ANSWER := "N"
$   if f$extract(0,1,ANSWER) .eqs. "Y" then goto EDIT_P2
$   if f$extract(0,1,ANSWER) .nes. "N" then goto ASK_AGAIN
$   !
$EXIT:
$   !
$   P2 = P2 - ";"
$   PURGE/NOLOG 'p2'
$   set 'f$extract(0,verification,"no")'verify

    Thanx! Kay,
    
    I really appreciate your taking the time to reply to my question,
    re: including lines from other notes in a reply.  As you suggested,
    however, it sounds more complex/involved than I probably want to
    get...it's already over-taxing my will-power to keep my time in
    NOTES to a reasonable level, so I REALLY don't need another gimmick
    to further distract me from the activity(ies) DEC is paying me for.
    I'll put your reply in cold-storage for the time being as a "maybe-
    someday" project.
    
    Glad to learn you know of and appreciate Orbison (the man with BELLS
    in his throat).  He's really an alright guy!  He and an R/C buddy
    from Nashville, Benny Birchfield; also a long time musician-married
    to country-singer Jeannie Shepherd (sp?), have attended two of our
    last One-Eighth Air Force Scale Fly-In's and we expect them again
    this fall for our October meet and, the following weekend, for the
    U.S. Scale Masters Champ's in Vegas.  When Rpy was here for a private
    concert last April, we took him and Benny out flying for a couple
    of hours then were his guests at the concert that evening at the
    posh(!) Arizona Biltmore, after which we were treated(!) to dinner
    with Roy in his suite.  FANTASTIC TIME!!
    
    Thanx again and adios fer' now,	Al

    RE: including part of another note...
    
    The easiest way is to first extract the note you want to comment
    about into a local file by saying...
    		NOTES> Extract foo.temp {note number (optional if you want
    					to extract the note you are
    					reading...)}
    Then, just use that file as your reply to the note by...
    		NOTES> Reply foo.temp
    Now, you are editing the original note that you extracted.  Just
    delete any lines you don't want and add text wherever you feel like
    it...  Then just CTRL/Z when you are done...
    
    Cheers,
    jeff
    

    Jeff,
    
    Hey! That sounds a little more in line with my skill level...I'll
    try it...Thanx!
    
    Adios,	Al

        I don't have any external editor, just good new TPU (EDT keypad
        thou), and use the command: OTHER WINDOW to move from my reply to
        your note, cut and paste to grab pieces, and then another OTHER
        WINDOW command to move back. Moving to the second window also lets
        you read more than a half dozen lines of the note you are replying
        to. 
        
        Without the external file, you don't collect junk that you then
        forget to delete. that keeps the system mangler off your back. 

If anyone is interested, the FLIGHT simulator notes file is on 
SARAH::FLIGHT.  If you read the last entry in note 2, it will tell you how 
to install it onto your u-VAX workstation.   You don't need a high powered 
compute machine to get this to work well.  It's REAL neat, and it behaves 
just like a real aircraft of your choice.  I learned how to do rolls on 
this thing, then I went out and did them on my RC plane.  It was great!
Here are some of the highlights of what the simulator can do:

- You can fly all kinds of different aircraft.  MIGS, Cessna's, 747, 
biplanes, F16, and a whole bunch more.  They all have the proper 
lift/thrust curves of the real plane. 

- You can pick which "world" you want to fly in.  Currently, you can fly 
around the south pacific and land on islands and aircraft carriers, or you 
can fly around eastern massachusetts.  It's really cool taking off from 
Logan in a Cessna.

-You can bomb stuff! Fighter planes have sidewinder missles, and bombs 
that drop out.  The B1 has cruise missles that blast out at your targets.  
Pretty neat stuff.

-You can fly with instruments!!  I mean for real.  All of the radio 
beacons exist in the Mass world, so you can do instrument landings into 
Logan or Hanscom. The guages on the screen look and work like a real plane.
The developers were very careful making sure that stuff works like real 
life. 

- You can change your view on the fly.  That is, you can take off and fly 
IN your plane, or you can watch it from the ground, or from a 
sattellite in space.  Of course you can zoom in to look close.  Watching 
from the ground is a lot like flying an RC plane, but the response time 
isn't quite as fast.

-You can network up to 8 people flying at the same time!!!!!  This is 
incredible.  You can see people shooting at you, or you can watch 747's 
land in front of you.  Lot's of people dogfight with each other in the 
sky.  Big fun.  You can fly with people all around DEC.

 I don't have time to play with it as often as I like, but it's really 
neat. If you want it, add the flight conference to your NOTE stuff, and 
read away.  The people in there are very helpful to beginners.

have fun,
...bill

    
    Bill,
    	Did you see the earlier version in which the missiles really
    work?  You could actually shoot each other down in dogfights.  We
    still use that version here, waiting for them to fix the missiles
    and bombs in the newer version.  I agree, it's great.
    	Also, it really helped one guy in our group learn to fly RC.
    He flew around a lot using the tower view and got over the to-from
    problems before even trying his PT 40.  I was amazed when I gave
    him his first lesson, I hardly touched the transmitter except for
    take-off and landing.  He was soloing in a few weeks.
    
    Bill
    

I never used the old "real" shooting version, but the new one is *ALOT* 
better in other ways.  They're promising collision detection in the next release.


I also learned how to fly RC better using the simulator.  As I mentioned 
earlier, I learned how to do rolls in my office.  After a couple of days, 
I got good at it without breaking anything.  Then I tried it out on my 
real plane.  Amazing, it's all the same!

I find the ultralight models an RC trainer very closely.  Lots of 
dihedral(sp).  


...bill

    I was finally able to add the flight simulator game to my notebook
    using SARAH::FLIGHT but it seems clear I don't have adequate hardware
    to use it...I have only a VT-102 and LA-100 at my desk.  Thanx a
    lot anyway, guys.  Maybe someday..............
    
    Gracias,	Al

    all you gotta to do is beg/borrow/steal/buy a VSII from someone...
    They should be coming cheap now that the CVAX hashit the street
    
    md

    Marc,
    
    Being a mere process engineer ("today I are one"), I'm afraid I
    can't admit to knowing what a VSII even IS...let alone knowing 
    how to use one/it/her???
    
    Gracias amigo,	Al

    Dear dear..Ok. a VSII is a VAxstation II..It comes with a Microvax
    II box (either pedestal (BA23 box) or deskside (BA123 box)).
    
    The box contains a special graphics controller (VCB01) to which
    one attaches a BIG 15" monitor , keyboard & mouse. One you get one
    of these on your desk, you will never want a VTxxx ever again.
    You can have multiple sessions visible at the same time and also
    the screen size allows you view things 55 line deep at time - a
    great bonus when reading your epistles...
    
    An reasonable alternative is the VAXstar 2000. Same functionality
    in a smaller package - The CPU gut fit is a box that size of a DECmate
    III. Screen size is same. Price is also very good - about $3K internal
    cost (6Mb mem + RD53 disk)
    
    md

    A nit...  The "BIG" monitor is the 19 inch monitor.  Yes, the color
    monitor takes up a lot of desk space...  However, alternatives may
    be coming to a sales office near you...
    
    Cheers,
    jeff
    

    FLIGHT V2.3 (DECwindows version) is now available. See the notes
    described a few back. I have it working with VMS053 on a VAXstation
    3100.  Amazing stuff. - Fred

    Fred,
    
    I noticed your reference to the DECwindows version a while back
    and just got around to having a look.
    
    Where has SARAH::FLIGHT gone?
    
    I tried today to open the conference and got "file not found".
    
    Any pointers to the S/W and documentation would be greatly appreciated.
    
    Thanks
    
    Brian
    

     If your refering to the FLIGHT note conference itself,
    its located at QUEEN::FLIGHT.
    
    Jim