Conference vicki::boats

    I was watching the weather channel on 1-1-1992, and right after the
    usual footage of the "Polar Bear Club" taking its swim on New Years
    Day, there were several action shots of some waterskiers doing their
    version of the same. Noticed were what appeared to be icey patches in
    one scene, with that skier doing a two-ski beach start, standing in the
    skis in sand (or was it snow?) and wearing a rubber suit. Another skier
    was shown on 2 skis doing great wake-crossing action, with the water's
    edge solidly covered with snow. This guy was really nuts: he was only
    wearing enough clothing to make his appearance legal. Well, maybe more
    than enough, but it was only a set of trunks! I can't recall the actual
    locations of these separate shots, but judging by the lack of prior
    entries, I guess it wasn't in the GMA...

    
    Yep...I saw that too.  A skier was pulled off the ice, into
    the water, he was on two skiis and wearing shorts!  I thought
    the guys was nuts!  I believe those pictures were taken in
    Minnesota.  The skiers gave me the impression of being show
    skiers, maybe they were with the Aqua Jays.
    
    Jeanne
    

    I've sort of volunteered to host the annual winter waterskiers'
    bitch/moan/video party this year. Just an informal gathering of people
    who would like to complain about the cold weather, dream about what
    kind of toys they'd buy if money were no object, make excuses for last
    years performance, etc. If I understand it correctly, a requirement is
    that you watch Hot Rockin' Feet videos until you know every frame by
    heart. :^) I don't have any videos to show but I do have a TV/VCR if
    anyone has tapes to bring. Maybe Doug could bring his video of Roger
    doing some face-skiing off the boom [failed attempts at hand-skiing],
    :^). 
    
    I live in Haverhill Ma, 1.5 miles off rte 495. It's about 45 minutes 
    from Hudson MA, 30 minutes from Nashua NH, and 3.6 light years from 
    N. Grafton. Assuming there is enough interest, would people prefer 
    a weeknite, a Friday nite, or maybe a Sunday afternoon. Spouses are
    welcome. If you're interested send me mail @ CSLALL::JEGREEN, and pick
    a preferred day between Jan. 20-Feb. 9, for starters. I'll make up a
    distribution list of interested parties and work the details off line.
      
    ~jeff
    
    (Geez, I did 2 unintentional Roger bashes without trying. Nothing
    personal Roger, really!)

Hey Jeff...looks like my name got lost in the 3.6 lightyear inter-galactic void
between Haverhill and N. Grafton!  :-)  I haven't received any mail regarding the
mid-winter party.  I know it may be tough to remember, but my network address is
ROGER::GAUDET.  Pretty slick, eh?  That was intended to make it *easy* to
remember (plus I was *damn* lucky).  Anyway, no biggie, 'cuz Doug called me to
give me the details.  We'll let it slide this time!  :-)  So I guess the current
rumor is Feb. 6th, right?   I'll make sure my mother-in-law has had her pictures
from our vacation developed so I can bring along my picture with "Ambassador
George."

...Roger...

>Note 938.4           The Official 1992 Waterski Season Topic              4 of
>CSLALL::JEGREEN "Cuz I luv that [icy] dirty water"   23 lines   8-JAN-1992 12:1
>    welcome. If you're interested send me mail @ CSLALL::JEGREEN, and pick
>    a preferred day between Jan. 20-Feb. 9, for starters. I'll make up a
>    distribution list of interested parties and work the details off line.

and....

>Note 938.5           The Official 1992 Waterski Season Topic              5 of5
>ROGER::GAUDET "Because the Earth is 2/3 water"       11 lines  14-JAN-1992 14:0
>between Haverhill and N. Grafton!  :-)  I haven't received any mail regarding e
>mid-winter party.  I know it may be tough to remember, but my network address s
>ROGER::GAUDET.  Pretty slick, eh?  That was intended to make it *easy* to

Geez, Rog, I was thinking the same thing. What part of the OPEN invitation 
didn't you understand ? :^) I was beginning to take it personally but I knew
it was just a mis-understanding on *your* behalf! Either way, you are most
welcome (and encouraged) to attend the gala event. Bring your pictures of your
Florida vacation, and any video-tapes you have. 

Yes, there has in fact been a date selected, and the day is..


Thursday night, February 6 !  A weeknight was easier for most people with 
family obligations, or family_to_be_obligations. :^)

I'll send out directions later to the people that have expressed interest 
in attending (Yes, Roger, that includes you!) I'm looking forward to it.

~jeff 

	I, errr, got a phone call yesterday from one  "Joe DelGenio"  
It seems he knows a nice little lake down somewhere near the cape and 
he was wondering if I would kinda like to.......
Supposedly it doesn't have the current (& trash) of the Merrimac 
river, but rarely freezes   ......hmmmmmm  hope its because its fed by 
a natural spring or something 'harmless'.  Its about 3/4 hour from 
Marlborough.

	Anyone interested, say this coming week-end ?
		(anyone NOT interested (-:  )

	Reg

RE: Note 938.7 

Sure, and there's a nice hospital on the way back we may want to 
visit for a little "rest..."  Brrrr!  I was already sitting here at
my desk trying to warm up BEFORE I read your invite.  Think I'll
pass, ask me again in June!   8^)

And BTW, how fast does that diesel Suburban go to make it from
Marlboro to down near the Cape in 3/4 hour?

Rick who_needs_two_weeks_on_the_beach_in_the_Carribean

    If the weather was in the 50's, AND sunny, AND no wind, I would
    consider it........
    
    It wasn't all *that* bad back on December 8th. My fingers were fine as
    long as I kept them out of the water. After a couple of crash_and_burn
    beach start attempts I was fine.
    
    ~jeff 

    
    
    Gee, I think I might be able to find *two* willing participants
    from the greater Lowell area.... Yeah, 2 weeks in a tropical climate
    would be nice, but nothing compares to slush-puppy water! :-)
    
    I would question, why it's not frozen, though.... hmmmm even the
    Merrimuck is frozen! Is it close to Pilgrim PP?
    
    	Rick_Yeah_we're_soft_in_the_head!

re              <<< Note 938.10 by KAHALA::SUTER "Never too Hot!" >>>
>                       -< HIIIIIIIIT Iiiiiiiiiittttt... >-
    
>    Gee, I think I might be able to find *two* willing participants
>    from the greater Lowell area.... Yeah, 2 weeks in a tropical climate
>    would be nice, but nothing compares to slush-puppy water! :-)
    
>    I would question, why it's not frozen, though.... hmmmm even the
>    Merrimuck is frozen! Is it close to Pilgrim PP?

	I was trying to figure that out - forgot about the Pilgrim 
sands thing, didn't they shut that down ?  Oh, oh, maybe the answer is 
in the question (-:,  (-:
    
>    	Rick_Yeah_we're_soft_in_the_head!
			^^^^
			 ||
	Funny, the four letter S_word that ends in 't' came up a 
couple of times during our phone conversation.


re: the towing speed of the diesel;   I don't know, the 3/4 hour was
Joe's estimate - he was offering to use his truck as his half of the 
day's expenses if I provide the boat - dunno why he thought mine 
wouldn't be winterised ???   Anyway, I think I'll get the boat 
registered this week just in case.  Wouldn't want game wardens 
thinking we're scoff-laws as well as   s**t_in_the_head   and we 
probably WOULD get their attention.

	R

    
    Dudes,
    
    Go for it,do it,this weather is too legit to pass up. That is if the 
    weather out east is as nice as it has been out here in Colorado.
    We have had some nice days out here and They are probably headed your
    way.
    
    ski hot....

    Hey Wayne,
    
    What do you say, wanna get your new boat out for a little pre-season
    break-in?? Let's go to Pueblo on sat. My new Rocket is not in yet but 
    I would probably be up for some wake-boarding and barefootin. How many
    hours do you have to put on that Pro Boss before we can oper er up??
    
    sign me
    
    probably infertile from skiing in 35 degree water

    
    Predicted high for tomorrow is 40.  Downright balmy!

I heard 44 in Boston on Thursday.  I'm already peeling off the clothes!  :-)

So Matt, what's your definition of a "nice Colorado day?"  Or have you guys been
getting some of those freak mid-winter days in the 60's when everyone hits the
slopes in shorts and tank-tops?

...Roger...

    Its been in the mid to upper 50s for a number of days now.  From what
    people have said, it probably broke 60 today.  Of course, if things
    go like they usually do, it will be sub-zero this weekend if I plan
    anything.  It would be nice to get the engine broken in before the
    season starts (or has it already started :-) ).  I was going to work
    Saturday, but if the weather looks good, I could be talked out of it.
    Or, I could go down around Noon Sunday.
    
    /Wayne
    

    re:: .15
    
    Roger,
    
    Like Wayne said it has been in the upper 50's on the front range but I
    am sure that in the mountains,the snow bunnies are still well clothed.
    Does water skiing in Jan help us get through the winter or does it just
    make summer seem all that much further away?? :-) 
    
    dodge the ice patches.......even the foil was'nt desined to help you
    out when ice skates are more appropriate.
    
    sign me.........
    
    anxious,cautiously anxious

    
    Well I've been getting somewhat of a "fix" this winter
    by being pulled around the lake behind an ice-boat.
    If you dig in with your skates and cut hard, you can
    accelerate up to 50/60 MPH and out-skate the ice-boat.
    Quite the thrill!  Nice and dangerous too.
    
    If it's really windy out on the lake, we hook up
    two lines for two skaters. 
    
    See you guys on Feb. 6th! 
    Jeanne
    

    
    Gee Jeanne, when is it my turn?  
    
    Well, I don't think New England is going to feel the same temps
    that are in Colorado right now until March. But temps aside are
    we still considering taking our bodies and our raisanette-filled
    brains Wskiing this weekend? Are both the boat and trailer 
    registered, Reg?
    
    Who is going to call Bob Lobel?
    
    Rick

    Jeanne,
    
    Your idea of fun skiing behind an iceboat sounds wild,but, not exactly]
    what my doctor would order for my recovering ankle. 
    
    Maybe if I was on a kneeboard?? :-)
    
    NOT!!
    
    MATTRIX

    Bob Loebel is recovering from having both knees rebuilt two days
    ago...Maybe Howard Stern could cover the event! The Merrimack is all
    melted except for a few ice flows... Standby for a possible N'easter on
    Saturday, though! The ramp could get slick apr�s skiing!
    
    Mike

    Sounds like Wayne and i are on for Sat as the weather is suppose to be
    partly-cloudy,mild and a high of 73 flamin' degrees. 
    
    Go CONNELLY!!
    
    Rocket Pilot

    re: Bob Lobel
    He had minor surgery (my neighbor had him for a patient). He also had
    surgery on his toe; probably from having his foot in his mouth too often.:^)
    
    /c

    Well,Wayne and I went to Pueblo on Sat. It was not as warm as the
    weather-man predicted(it never is)but was nice enough for us to cruise
    around the lake with short sleeve shirts on. To get out of the
    marina,which is in a cove,we had to bust through some ice. After that
    we were convinced the Brendella hull had what it takes to make it out
    here in Colorado! :-) 
    
    I could still feel the tenderness in my ankle when I crossed the wakes
    so I had to take it easy. Wayne should of because he fell alot into
    that cold-frigid water. :-0   
    
    Really,the water was quite tolerable with the Sahara dry-suits by Ski
    Warm. We wore hoods,cold water gloves,and warmed our feet with the
    hot-water shower. 
    
    It is a good thing we went when we did because the weather is going
    through some changes for the worse as I type. They are predicting snow
    and wind chills in the minus 30's tonight. 
    
    until the next warm spell,
    
    Matt

Come on Matt, I only fell once (once too often).  My big mistake was taking off
the ski too soon.  Those few seconds waiting for the boat were enough to start
hurting the toes.  The hot water shower was worth every penny.  We really messed
up by not taking the video camera.  It would have been a great shot with us 
skiing next to the ice line in the cove.  Dana was trying to figure out how to
barefoot up onto the ice.

Great fun, and it wasn't crowded except for the specators :-)

/wayne

    Yo Wayne buddieeeeeeee,
    
    What does the weather look like for this weekend? Now that Prospect is
    open,we can go skiing close to home,close the the hot-tub.
    I would be willing to get my Supra out this weekend if you don't want
    to wear that Brendella out before the first tournament. :-)
    
    I would say that if it is almost 50 degrees,we aught to go for it. I am
    going up to Water Ski Specialty on 9116 W.88th Ave. Westminster on Sat
    to pick up a bunch of Connelly equipment...especially a few Rockets.
    
    Need anything?
    
    Mattrix

re     <<< Note 938.4 by CSLALL::JEGREEN "Cuz I luv that [icy] dirty water" >>>
>                      -< Annual Bitch/Moan/Video Party ? >-

	A public note of thanks to our hosts Jeff and Maria, 
(& a public apology for the little "accident").  
I had a GREAT TIME ! enjoyed everyone as well as the videos and game
room (that's SOMETHING !) and I think we forgot to do the B'ing & M'ing part. 
We all looked a little different WITH our clothes and WITHOUT our
tans, but, in Lennon & McCartney's words,  "it won't be long now." 

	Thanks again, 

	Reg

    Me too, thanks a lot Jeff and Maria!  Had a lot of fun, the night 
    flew by and it's too bad we didn't get to see all of the videos that
    were brought.  The game room more than made up for that though.
    
    Hey Rog, great drink holder, gotta go to Cypress Gardens and get me
    one of them!
    
    Doug, nice knee board!.  Good form too at 65' off from the coffee 
    table.
    
    Jeanne, I'm disappoointed you didn't make good on your threat to
    back over Rick's truck on the way out.   8*)
    
    A good time was had by all, thanks again!
    
    Rick

    
    Jeff, that game room is the cat's meow!  I'll house sit for
    you anytime!  Thanks to you and Maria for a really great time.
    Next time you'll know better and give Reg a paper cup to drink
    out of.  :>)
    
    Doug's always thinking, who else would show up at a water-skiing
    party with an impeller and clamp?!  Good show, Doug!  Nice to
    finally meet your better half.
    
    Ha!  right Rick!, if I had monster tires on the truck I would
    have done it...really!  :>)   
    
    Jeanne (come'on spring)!

    Thank's for the good time.  The last time I played "real" pinball was
    about 10 years ago-and no quarters required...:^)
    
    Jeanne-I'm glad you and Trish finally got to meet, I thought you'd hit
    it off pretty well.  Maybe you two could play tennis sometime at our
    "private" courts. :^)   (hmmm, I wonder if you can ski on a .... oh
    never mind)
    
    Trish and I were talking on the way home, what a FUN bunch of folks you
    all are, but it would have been nicer if we were all in the middle of
    some warm lake with the pylons lashed together - Won't be long now...
    
    I think the "NAME THAT NOTE" trivia contest should be a routine part of
    the midwinter gathering;  For those of you that weren't there, the
    significance of the impeller in a Zip-loc back is the "Mike Smith
    method" of winter storage of impellers:
       1) Remove impeller
       2) Pack in antifreeze
       3) Store in freezer
       4) Throw away in the spring   :^)
    Or something to that effect...
    
    And for Reg's correct answer in identifying how the bent C-Clamp was
    used, (Clamped to the back of Don's seaplane - as in tow pylon - in
    "Just Plane Skiing")  he won a ...bent C-Clamp.
    
    Re: Rick W and coffee table kneeboarding:   A lally column in a
    carpeted basement with a 5' handle section works *much* better.   :^)
    
    Too bad Kathy was sick, I was looking forward to seeing the '92 MC
    Hopefully our next gathering will be (soon) on the water...
    
    Later Dudes and Dudette.
    Doug
    

    
    Jeff & Maria,
    
    	Thanks for allowing me and the entire withdrawn-from-skiing crew to
    invade your house. I certainly had a great time. I'll have to admit that
    while I definately didn't waterski last night, it *sorta* felt like I
    might have!
    
    	As always, it was wonderful to see everyone although as Reg alluded
    to, it is different to see everyone in "street" clothes and with dry
    hair.
    
    	Let's see, next year Rick can dig up his F-I-L's old hull and so
    we can ID it...
    
    Rick
    
    1st on the water GB in 2 weeks, Reg?
    
    BTW: Wayne and Matt....... <picture my tongue sticking out and making
    disgusting noises!>

    Thanx to you all for attending, and you are most welcome. We enjoyed
    having you over. It's not often I get a legitimate excuse to head down
    to the adult_game_room. Someone left a video behind, the '88 barefoot
    nationals. I didn't bring it in yet becus I wanna finish playing it.
    
    Jeanne, you'll never guess what I had for breakfast this morning! It
    was dark, and chocolatey, and delicious. :^)
    
    Spring isn't too far away. I discovered this morning on the way to work
    that I'll have a rebuilt transmission in my truck to haul my boat
    around. :^(
    
    Let's do it again, next time *ON* the water.
    
    ~jeff

    I just took a drive by Fort Meadow Pond at lunch.  Warm temps,
    sunshine, and open water starting to appear along a few edges.
    I'm sure it's only temporary, but it sure felt and looked great!
    
    Time to start thinking about ice-out and spring recommisioning?
    
    Reg, did you ever winterize?   8^)
    
    Rick
    

    
    	Absolutely time to start thinking about ice-out! BTW, I was up at
    	Winni this weekend...not too much open water, but lots of pickup
    	trucks out on the ice, some within 50 yds of open water.

Yeah, I cruised passed Quinsigamond yesterday ... no open water that I could see,
but I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be out there ice skating either.  At
least not go out and fall...there were puddles all over the lake.  There were a 
few guys out there ice fishing ... I'm sure it's still safe and all that.  But it
sure is looking like it wants to turn to liquid.

Reg, winterize?  Bite your tongue!  :-)

...Roger...

    Looked like a good stretch of open water from the Tyngsboro bridge down
    as far as I could see from the road. I just *happened* to notice. :^)
    There was ice for about 15' from shore out, nothing you couldn't break
    through if you backed a trailer onto it. 
    
    Sure was warm Sunday !
    
    ~jeff

    
    In Lowell the Merrimuck is almost completely melted.... Jackie says the
    ramp is still a little tricky, but that would only mean we might have
    to chain more than 2 trucks together.
    
    BTW: This morning I heard that it will be 70 in the Carolinas
    tomorrow...! The words they used were "it's spring there!" 
    
    Rick

    Prospect lake is open. We are suppose to go down and repair the slalom
    course. it is in one big ball in the middle of the lake. I think one of
    the anchors broke. The weather is suppose to be in the upper 50's for 
    the next several days,so,if the wind stays away,Me and Wayne will have
    to go down and do some free skiing.
    
    What cha think Wayne?
    
    Hope the ice melts soon for you guys soon,your missing all the fun.
    
    Matt

    
    
    	The river was like a sheet of GLASS this morning and it wasn't
    'cause it was frozen!

    We had two good days of skiing here in Colorado.  Saturday, it was in
    the 60s in the morning, and threatening to snow by afternoon.  In fact,
    it did snow last night.  Hopefully, it will get back up in the 60s
    again this week.  There is a big snow bank on the shoreline that we are
    trying to figure out how to slide down on the wakeboard and then
    continue skiing on the water.  This is the best Spring skiing (other
    than the snow type) that I can remember.  We usually aren't out for a
    couple more months yet.

    /wayne

    The weather could of stayed sunny all day but we would of been too
    worn out to ski much more anyhow......NOT!
    
    The slalom course was pulled for major repairs and hopefully will be
    back in place next weekend. Just in time for the arrival of my
    
    R O C K E T S P E C I A L.....no details...secret weapon buddie
    
    Custom made by connely for me.
    
    til wednesday...when we should be back on the water enjoying 58 degree
    weather............

Hey Matt...please forgive how quiet us folks here in New England have been each
time you enter a skiing report.  I'm sure you're a really nice guy, but in all
honesty we just don't like you right now!  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)
I'm sure our attitude will change when a few more "sites" turn liquid around
here!  :-)

...Roger... green_with_envy

P.S.  Seriously ... I enjoy reading your reports.  Must be cabin fever that's
      getting the best of me.  :-)

    Well,
    
    In April,when it is raining cats and dogs out here,or snowing(it is our
    best month for snow,) you guys will probably be tearing it up in
    beautiful spring conditions that more resemble June. :-)
    
    Have you ruled out chainsaws and blow-dryers?
    
    Matt

Nah, chainsaws & blow dryers are too much of a pain.  The lakes will turn liquid
soon anyway.  I just like giving people grief (in a friendly way, of course).  Oh
and don't worry, we'll be sure to rub it in if/when the April snows come to CO
and we're in the 60's out here!  :-)

Don't forget the report on your Rocket.  I may grumble as I read it, but I
definitely want to read it.

...Roger...

    
    
    	Hey Rog!
    
    		The river *IS* liquid, even the ramp is ICE-FREE!
    	So, what's the point here, you say? Well, the Nautique's
    	seats may be finished by next weekend (3/7) and I'd be up
    	for some cold ones!
    
    	Rick
    
    	Geez, we used to just have to put up with Rob's crap, now
    	we get Wayne and Mattrix's also..... you BUMS!  :-)  :-)
    

    Sounds like the time has come for the Easterners to get wet 
    and wild now that the ice is GONE!
    
    Have fun.  
    
    
    Tomarrow I will give the Rocket a go. I really liked my Concept
    except for the fact that it was a bit soft at 32 off. I am skiing
    like a wally right now so I won't know if the Rocket is for me
    for a couple of months. 
    
    I hate skiing in the spring cuz you are always turning your head
    towards  the beach to make sure NO ONE SEEN THAT SLOP.
    
    
    Mattrix

This weather is just unbelievable.  Matt and I went again today.  It was a bit
windy, but not too bad along the one shore.  Actually, we were probably skiing
in conditions that we would have skoffed at in July, but hey, how often do you
get a chance to ski in February in Colorado?  I'm pulling my boat into work 
tomorrow so that we can get a in a couple sets each during lunch.  It is suppose
to hit 70 tomorrow, Saturday, and Sunday.  Sounds like a good weekend to get
our course back it and give it a good workout.  At this rate, Matt and I are
going to peak before the first tournament in May.

I'll let Matt give you the Rocket report.  I think I'll pull out my new Concept
for tomorrow.  I've been staying on my Shadow because I didn't think that water
in the 30s was the best conditions for breaking in a new ski, but I can't wait
much longer.

/Wayne

    Yes,Wayne and I are going to enjoy the weekend forth coming!!
    
    temps in the 70's,we can handle it.
    
    
    We will tell ya all about it when we drag our weary butts in here on
    Mon.
    
    
    later,
    
    the rocket pilot
    

    I had no idea there was so much "jargon" (for lack of a better word)
    associated with serious waterskiing. Reading the last few notes, I was
    unable to understand a quarter of what you all were saying.
    
    It's been 19 years since I was on the slalom ski in my basement, and I
    read this topic with more than a little interest. What's a "Shadow?" A
    brand name? What does "slop" mean? (Don't remember the reply #.)
    
    Is there more to a difference in skis than the material of which it's
    made, its shape, and its "fin?"
    
    And does this notes file have a rathole where I could put a note like
    this one?
    
    Now back to the regularly scheduled manic discussion in this topic....
    <g>
    
    John H-C

    Re:	R

    
>and right now, I can't think of anything better to do either - other 
>than sk* or h*p*rl*t*   (-:

    When we leaving?
    
    Unless, of course, those *'ed words mean... skid and hyperventilate....
    
    :-)
    
    Rick

    re:: .51
    What is John doing riding his slalom ski in the basement,no wonder
    he is'nt aware of all the changes taking place in slalom ski design.
    The Shadow is a Connelly they should of never stopped producing,and
    today's fins are the ultimate fine tuning device to help the ski react
    better to your style.
    
    Wood is for toothpicks,not High performance skiis,
    
    Mattrix
    

    John, I know how you feel about being lost with all the new equipment
    and terminology out there.  When I was learning to ski, skiis were
    nothing put a couple of flat pieces of plywood with upturned fronts.
    The boat was a little wooden thing with a big, fat Evinrude that
    only had 40 HP and couldn't get out of it's own way never mind get
    me up out of the water.  Slalom skiing was out of the question cause
    you would sink up to your knees because you were going so slow.
    Now everyone needs two speedometers to keep exact speeds and
    different skiis for different conditions, etc.  I was looking at the
    new Overton Water Sports Catalog last night.  I can't believe the
    choices one has in equipment today.  Maybe I should just find an
    old pair of wooden skiis so I can blame my poor skiing on them!
    Wayne

RE: 51	

John,
	Do you want to sell your 19 year old ski?   I've started collecting 
them.  Its fun to take them out and ride em.  It makes me admire the guys that
used to ride em.  I'm also trying to find some of the old flat bottom wooden
pairs skis if anyone has some they want to get rid of.  They make great ski-show
skis.

/wayne

    I won't know whether to consider selling it until one of you guys drags
    me behind a boat on it. <grin>
    
    Actually, it was a heartfelt gift from my brother, who had very little
    money at the time, so I don't think I could part with it anyway. I'll
    let you try it out, though, if you help *me* try it out....
    
    John H-C

    OK, who's gonna be the founder of the Antique Water Ski Club? 
    
    Recently I was talking with someone who said he learned to ski
    behind a boat with something like a 15 or 20 hp outboard.  I 
    asked how that could be, when today's outboards of 40 or 50 hp 
    will barely pull a skier.
    
    There are apparently a few reasons;
    - People used much smaller and lighter boats back then
    - *WE* were smaller and lighter
    - But the primary reason, is that skis were much *BIGGER*, some of
      'em about the size of a small toboggan and would plane easily at 
      not much more than 10mph.
    
    My parents have home movies from the early 60's of my Dad riding 
    behind a small boat on a flat plywood board about 30" wide, and 6' 
    long with a rounded nose, and it looked like he was having an 
    absolute blast!  

    re .57
    
    New skis and under powered boats do not mix.   Old skis and powerful
    boats are probably OK.
    
    I tried skiing behind a neighbor's boat that had an Evinrude 60.
    
    It pulled hard enough to get me partially out of the water, just about
    the stage where you get the maximum pulling force, but would not
    accelerate.  Out went my back.
    
    The herniated disc caught up with me in November as it pinched the
    sciatic nerve.  Could not walk for a month.  Back surgery in December
    got me back on my feet.  Not sure if I will ski this season or if ever
    again.   Have to check with the Doc.
    
    I felt really stupid as I had just purchased a 15" prop for my boat
    that would pop heavy skiers out of the water before they new it.  Some
    of the readers may recall skiing behind the boat with a 17" and 19".
    
    Don Wilson
              

    I often see water skiers who are too caught up in the latest and
    greatest equipment on the water. I was too young to get a chance at
    the wooden age of slalom skiis but my first fiberglass ski did not
    compare much to today's vast offerings. It was very unforgiving and
    catered to the serious skier(bevels,rocker,etc.). Today,depending on
    your skill level and style,you can find a ski that complements YOU.
    
    Getting back to my first sentence....There are too many people out
    there who insist on buying a connelly Rocket just because it is the
    hottest new stick out there when they would probably benefit from
    a Legend or something not quite so stiff and sensitive. Education and
    demo programs are very vital to the person purchasing new $400-$700
    skiis in today's overwhelming market.
    
    If you choose the right equipment now a days,you will improve at a 
    remarkable rate,whethor novice or EP. 
    
    Always take a test drive.......that is my motto.
    
    and find a dealer who knows how to adjust the fins. They can make
    all the difference.
    
    And take a hammer to the foil unless you are skiing 36/22 or shorter
    in the course.  I know that I will hear arguments on the foil issue
    but I feel that if you do not learn how to properly decelerate without
    the foil,your progress with one will be very limited.
    
    
    until next time,
    
    The Rocket Pilot

RE: 56

Sure, John.  No problem getting a pull.  Well, maybe a slight problem.  I live 
in Colorado Springs.  But if you are ever out this way, just show up at 
Prospect Lake w/ your ski.  It is snowing today, but there is always tomorrow.
We skied for five straight days (last Thursday-Monday.)  Well, actually we 
didn't ski on Monday.  We sat in the boat for a couple hours waiting for our
observer to show up.  He never did, and to make matters worse, the lake was 
glass.

/wayne

    I am still hurting from Monday's disapointing wait.
    I am going to buy a cellular phone and carry a list of all 
    my buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuddies.
    
    enter course with hips foreward
    
    
    matt

>>observer to show up.  He never did, and to make matters worse, the lake was 
>>glass.

      I would'of taken my chances and skied without a spotter if there
    weren't many boats around!    Don't tell anyone! :>)

jd/

    Don't these guys work??  :^)
    
    Jealeous...
    Doug

    
    	Highs in the 60s on Sunday..... Any tournament boats ready
    to go this weekend?? hint hint....
    
    

    re .65
    
    Doug, don't laugh... These are available..in fact I gave it some
    thought, then found out that they didn't have a cell close to Sunapee. 
    Oh well, maybe in a few years. :-)

    John,
    
    I don't dive,wish I did,want to learn. I actually took the name
    "nothing  is too extreme" from a sponsor.
    
    Jeanne,
    
    After a strick warning issued  by the CSPD on Sunday about not having
    an observer,and  I mean it was quite strict,we opted not to take 
    the chance on Monday.
    
    Doug,
    
    Of course we  work,it isn't fun having to wipe the boat down and 
    pull the plugs after skiing so many passes through the course. :-)
    
    
    ski hot,
    
    Mattrix

Yep, I work.  I averaged 80+ hours/week during the Winter so that I could 
take some time off to ski during the Summer.  Now if there just wasn't sooooo
much to do, I could make my plan work. :-)

/wayne

    Well,I actually work too,I just don't get anything around the house
    done when my wife wants it done. It's
    ski.....work...eat....sleep....ski...etc.
    
    When stuff piles up and/or I am burned out with skiing,I do yardwork
    like a madman. Everything in one day. Blurrrrrrrrrrrr is what my
    neighbors call me.
    
    
    the Rocket Pilot.

	Highs in the 60s tomorrow.... Anyone heard if the sun is supposed
to be shining? Anyone up for an afternoon GB? Who needs an interior, anyway?

Rick

    Roger,
    
    If you feel like it,(being cruel) you can rub it in now. :-)
    The weather out here has gone to hell. We just went through a snow
    storm this past weekend and the highs for the next several days are not
    suppose to get above about 40,it is going to be windy too with lows
    overnight expected to be in the teens.
    
    
    In like a lion,out like a lamb...
    
    
    that's what I am hoping for.
    
    Matt

    
    	Well, "CA" was in the water this morning and ran flawlessly!
    
    	Even though I hate to admit this, I didn't ski, but Jackie did
    on her new Supreme Redline. I drove and mumbled something to the
    effect of: "60 degrees later, gumball, at least one GB'r will show.."
    
    Rick

Nah Matt, I won't bust ya until I get my butt out on the water.  But when I do,
look out!  :-)

So Rick, what's the deal?  Is it that warm out there?  I haven't even looked out
the window!  Cruised passed Lake Quinsig last night ... it's still mostly frozen,
at least by the Shrewsbury ramp and most of the way to the Rt. 9 bridge.  I saw
a small area near McQuales that was liquid, but as they say in Maine, "ya can't
get there from here!"  :-)

...Roger...

    
    >Could be warmer.... If the sun would break thru the clouds it would
    be *real* nice out there. I guess my first ski of 92' will have to
    wait. Oh well.... boo hoo....
    
    	On the positive side, the boat started last night
    just like it was brand new... a crank or two and ......well you all
    know that familiar sound.... blub-blub-blub-blub-blub..... Might
    help that it's only been 87 days since it was "winterized".
    
    	The river is completely thawed, just a few branches and
    smoooooth... The parking lot is a little treacherous as I was
    informed by my new "street-only" tires which obviously think that
    mud is something for slapping hogs and not 4x4 trucks.
    
    	They say that "it's back to winter" tomorrow, stay tuned when
    the weather cooperates and temps break 45 again!
    
    Later,
    
    Rick

re               <<< Note 938.75 by KAHALA::SUTER "Never too Hot!" >>>
>                    -< BTW: Where the hell is Reg lately? >-

	Reg has been reading a book about spring training - OK, its a 
bit late for that, given that its  MARCH ALREADY  and Jackie(I hate her)
has skied and I havn't.

	*	*	*	*	*	*	*	*

	Anyway, it says here in this little spring training book that 
the best exercise for developing a strong pull through the wakes is to 
work out with a




		*_VERY LARGE_*  chain saw.   

Then there's a section about developing hand and wrist strength,



		swinging a 12 lb maul is best for that


For lower back strength  (guess)


	"stacking firewood"  is strongly recommended.  

Maybe there will be a section later on about overloading the
wheelbarrow 'til it breaks ?


	The final chapter reminds the wood_B skier that the boat 
cannot be towed over a pile of tree length fire-wood to get it out of
the yard - part of the incentive to train hard and often before 
starting the season.

	Errr, anyone need some shoulder work-outs ?  free.

	Reg	
	  {only about 9 cords to go, then I'll finish (writing) the book}

    
    Gee Reg,
    
    	I'm glad to see you're keeping in shape in the (sorta) off-season,
    and I'm also glad that you mentioned that *you* are writing that book,
    for a minute there I thought the author was my ex-wife!
    
    Later,
    
    Rick
    
    BTW: Can't you just cut an 8.5 foot path thru them logs?

How about Thursday Matt?  It is supposed to be back up to 60 then, with the 70's
predicted for the weekend.

Your boat or mine?

    wayne,
    
    Your boat on thur.,mine on Friday. I am going to need a few more
    days of sunshine before I dare try to get my boat out of the yard.
    
    
      Good thing  the sun is coming back out,my awesome early-season 
    tan is fading fast.
    
    
    

	I do bleeve a ski boat has been sighted on Ft Meadow Pond this 
week - with a coupla footers doing some long-line stuff in tow.


{this information brought to you from the local news service, a part 
of   * LTN HEALTH SERVICES *  ??}


	OK;  I think I'll be  "out of the woods"  some time soon, in
any case before October.  Y'know, this wood cuttin' is really great 
for the back and shoulders - I'm such a nice guy I'd be quite happy to 
let my friends try it, but save SOME of it for me.

	Reg

RE: Matt & Wayne ... you guys are scum, y'know that?  :-)  How 'bout dedicating
one run to us poor folk in New England?  Just one?  Please?  I know I'd feel
better.  :-)

OK Reg, you've hinted (and quite strongly, I might add) about this wood project,
so where's it at?  I can get my hands on a chainsaw (actually, it's mine, but
it's loaned out to my brother-in-law at the moment).  You need a hand or two?
What's-a-matta with those burly sons of yours?  No volunteers?  Lemme guess,
they're sitting in the nice warm house cheering you on, right?  "Come on, Dad, I
can almost see the boat!"  :-)  Only problem is that the only time I might have
this weekend is Sat. afternoon.  Lemme know if you need an extra pair of hands.
I won't have the chainsaw until Sunday when I'll be in R.I.

...Roger...

    
    This is such a loooooooooong month, let's get March outa here!
    Come'on April!  
    
    Jeanne
    

    Reg, better yet, I'll bring my tractor over and just push all that wood
    out of the way.  Whyaste time cutting it up now when you won't use it
    until next winter anyways?
    Wayne (king of procrastition!)

    
    	I'm heading to Albuquerque for a couple of days next week...
    	wonder if the airline will lug my boat down there for free,
    	and if the renta-car will have a bumper hitch, and... oh, well.
    	Can't be much longer till ice-out.
    
    	John

Not to rub it in (I wouldn't do that :-) ), but I just got back from a few runs
for lunch.  Its 70+ degrees.  I had to turn the air conditioner on in the car on
the way back.  It sure is nice having the lake close enough to take a long lunch
and get a couple sets in.  Its hard to believe we had a blizzard here just a 
couple days ago.  Sounds like a great weekend coming up, with snow forcast again
for Monday.  As I said before, this weather is unblievable.  We have our choice
of fresh powder in the mountains, or smooth water all the way down here at
6600 feet.

/wayne

re       <<< Note 938.81 by ROGER::GAUDET "Because the Earth is 2/3 water" >>>
>                   -< Lots more liquid on local lakes, too >-

> OK Reg, you've hinted (and quite strongly, I might add) about this wood project,
> so where's it at?  I can get my hands on a chainsaw (actually, it's mine, but
> it's loaned out to my brother-in-law at the moment).  You need a hand or two?

	No, I have one heckuva saw, thats no problem, I was joshin' 
about wanting/needing help with it - it REALLY DOES give me a 
work-out..
	Thanks for the offer though, 'tis appreciated.

> What's-a-matta with those burly sons of yours?  No volunteers?  Lemme guess,
> they're sitting in the nice warm house cheering you on, right?  "Come on, Dad, I
> can almost see the boat!"  :-)  Only problem is that the only time I might have

	As most any parent of teens will attest, its usually a lot 
less work to do something than it is to get the kids to do that 
something.  Its also better for the blood pressure, more exercise and 
less yelling stress.  Besides, they need their rest, have to recover 
from whatever it is they do til the wee hours (-:
	
	Arrrgh TIMING !  this is my first login since early friday 
morning;  no sweat, the front yard portion is all done, cut, split and
stacked, just need to rake up some chips.  I started the back-yard
section this afternoon - no hurry for that, the boat is no longer
trapped. 

> ...Roger...

	Reg 

    I noticed this morning that water that had iced out, now has a new thin
    coat of ice.
    
    Not moving in the right direction.
    
    Don

re                       <<< Note 938.87 by BUFFER::WILSON >>>

>    I noticed this morning that water that had iced out, now has a new thin
>    coat of ice.
 
	Right Ft Meadow Pond was looking a little too "crusty" this 
week-end.

>    Not moving in the right direction.

	Which way is up ?  (-:
    
>    Don

	Reg

This month's Waterski mag has some good articles on 
technique, including one-handed turns.  I like the stills-
I'll be videotaping myself to see how good I look!

On a related topic, there was a review of some skiis, one
of which I have (O'Brien Z). O'Brien (and others) design
this type of ski for those who ride on the back of the
ski during turns.  I do ok on this ski, but, while
I'm taping, what should  I look for to decide what
type of skier I am?


/Chris 

    Where the water breaks on the ski throughout all phazes.
    how well you work your knees during the pre-turn.
    
    Matt

    After thinking about the previous note that I entered,I remembered that
    now a days,manufacturers are designing skis that are suppose to remain
    more level in the water no matter what your style ie. foreward,nuetral
    or back,that is if you are on the ski that complements YOUR style.
    
    So, when reviewing a video tape of your skiing in SLOW MOTION,
    check to see where your shoulders are in relation to your hips and
    knees during acceleration.  If you are a rear weighted skier,your
    shoulders will be behind your hips if you were to draw a straight line
    up from your bindings through your knees and hips. If you are a nuetral
    skier,your shoulders will be right in line with your knees and hips,if
    you are a foreward style skier in the acceleration phase you will go
    out the front and perform daring aerobatic manuevers prior to getting
    slammed into the water.
    
    In the deceleration phase,a foreward style skier will like to use a lot
    of pressure with the knees and really drive the hips foreward to slow
    the ski,he will feel a lot of weight on his front leg,kinda like
    Carl Roberge. 
    
    A nuetral skier decelerating will basically stay in the center of his 
    ski,not moving around much,his shifting of the knees alone help him
    slow the ski for the turn,a nuetral skier looks the prettiest because
    his body is so quiet throughout all phases. 
    
    A rear weighted skier will go into the deceleration phase with his 
    shoulders back and without a lot of bend in his knees,he will typically
    go into the turn hotter and eithor hook it or come out late,he usually 
    has one hell of a pull going for him and can make up a lot of angle 
    through the wakes. This style is the most un-forgiving of all,but many
    a skier can muscle his way through until the  rope starts getting
    shorter and he will find himself at a dead-end.
    
    I am nuetral through the wakes and foreward in the deceleration phase.
    The only problem with that is it can cause me to break at the waist 
    in the turn sometimes on my off side. To help prevent that I add a
    little depth to the front of the fin but not so much that it  hinders
    the turning radius of the ski.
    
    Once you find a ski that complements you through the wakes and in the
    deceleration phase,some minor fin adjustments can help you set the ski
    up to turn to your expectations. I have found that adjusting the fin
    has helped my off side and that you should set it up to help YOUR OFF
    SIDE turn rather than your good side.
    
    Do all of this with out the foil on the ski as it is just another
    variable that will only make your adjustments more difficult and your
    testing less accurate.
    
    Hope that helps,
    
    Matt

    	The Nautique was backed down the ramp at 6:30 AM. The air temperature
    was a balmy 85, the water temp was about 72. What a wonderful feeling
    having a desire to get wet. The water provided that soothing feeling
    found easing into a nice hot bath.
    
    	I was first up since I already had my life jacket on. That's right
    just an LJ and a swimsuit. No drysuit, no wetsuit, not even a shortie!
    A swimsuit, an LJ, a pair of gloves, a new Velocity and a smile! With
    the rope tight I yell those familiar words... "Hit It!"
    
    	Wow! This new Velocity really flys thru the wakes. I point toward
    the course... Yeah 32 MPH, please. Hmmm... Cut out, ready for the 
    entrance gates.... OK, the boat's passing thru the gates, here I go.
    
    	Around ball 1, whew that was easy! 2 - no problem, 3 - Hah!
    4 - piece of cake.... 5 - Well that was my bad side... 6, exit gates.
    I made it! 
    
    	Up 2.... 1-2-3-4-5-6....... Wow 34 MPH and I made it! Guess I'll
    take a break while I'm ahead. I let go of the handle and drop down into
    to warm, tropical-like water. MMMMMMmmmm that feels nice!
    
    Rick - Winter_sucks_and_spring_also_in_New_England.....

                             SISSY!!!!

    Rick,
      Is that what you call a "WET DREAM" ?
    
    Fear not, I hear the temps are gonna break 50 deg by the end o' the
    week...
    
    Doug

    The weather out here the past ten days has sucked. If it isn't
    raining or snowing,it is blowing. Just when Wayne and I were starting
    to feel comfortable again,look what happens. The forecast for the
    rest of this week does'nt do much for us eithor. By watching the
    weather channel,I can see that the skiers out east are going to have
    to stay on the slopes for a while longer too.
    
    
    Matt,who hates spring weather.  It can be a tease!

    Rick, 
    
    That was really reaching! The power of imagination is incredible when
    you consider that you didn't mention how uncomfortable those MEDIUM
    bindings were on your new Velocity. :^)
    
    If it makes you feel any better, I'm sure there was someone named Rick,
    skiing behind a Nautique, and making the full course yesterday. Of
    course it wasn't anywhere near Still_half_frozen_England.
    
    ~jeff
    

    
    Pretty good story Rick - reminded me of one of those Jay Leno
    "I saw it on the radio" ads!
    
    Ah, but if it were only true. sigh....
    
    Rick

    WAYNE,	
    
    The weather for the next coupla days looks conducive for orgasmic
    experiances of the water sort!! Ya up fer it,say,tomarrow 9:00?
    
    
    ski hot ski alot buddieeeeeeeeeeeeee,
    
    Md

    Oh yea,Wayne
    
    IF we ski tomarrow,we can start a "Bring Roger to C.Springs" fund.
    I'll buy the beer.
    You can be the footer,
    and I'll run the video tape,
    and Roger can drive.
    After that I'll pull Roger through the course and when he gets all
    tired out from the high elevation skiing,we'll come ski ya at
    the hospital.
    
    later,
    
    The instigator

Sounds good to me.

    
    
    	I'd like to give everyone the opportunity to address me
    as I should be addressed. SCUM, that is....
    
    	7:00 am... ring ring ring.... 
    	
    	"Hi this is Jackie, the river is flat, it's moderately warm, the 
    sun is shining, let's go skiing!"
    
    	"ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.... huh?"
    
    	"SKIING, SKIING!"
    
    	"zzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... huh?"
    
    	"SKIING, SKIING!, yah lazy bumm wakeup!"
    
    	Oh...zzzzz yeah skiing, sun....zzzzzzzz let me call you in 5
    minutes after I wake up"
    
    	OK.....
    
    	To make a short story long.... "It's soooooo nice to ski, even
    if the feet get a little chilled and even if I'm not on a Velocity.
    (yet)....
    
    Rick
    
    	Gee, Matt where's the bring_rick_to_C.Springs_fund? I'll spot!
    

    Rick,
    Was this one for real, or another fantasy?    8^)
    
    Rick

    How bout both you(Rick) and Rog find some DEC meeting  to fly
    out here for in June??  We would love to have you for the show
    and fer some skiing and after words beers. We could get crazy!!
    
    matt

    
    Did anyone get any good pointers from Carl Roberge last
    Saturday, when he was visiting Baert's?  I was able to
    meet and talk to Cory Pickos and Dave Reinhart, I would
    of loved to talk "slalom" with Carl, but he hadn't arrived
    yet.
    
    Jeanne
    

    Are you guys out east getting wet yet? It looks as if tomarrow
    finally!!!!!!,the weather here may allow us to get back out there and
    actually accomplish something.  Lately,we have had a day here and there
    but nothing consistant,hence our skiing just hasn't gotten itself back
    into the groove. You just start feeling good about your skiing and then
    have to take 5 days off,so when you get back out on the water,you have
    to go through that "clumsy" feeling all over again.
    
    I guess that's what skiing during the early spring is all about.
    
    
    Matt

    
    Last Sunday I made it out for my second ski of the year. Yeah, it's
    tough to cram skiing in between the severe snowstorm predictions.
    
    Rick

    Wayne and I should be able to ski tomarrow,Sat.,and Sun in mid 60's
    to low 70 degree temps. 
    
    
    
    It'll probably snow and blow like hell!!

    
    	Harvard Pond is completely open. I took the boat out on Saturday..
    	pretty nice day, except for the wind. There were about a half dozen
    	boats out there, but no water skiers yet.
    
    	I called Valley Marine this morning. The launch at Monomonac is
    	not yet iced-out, though the main lake is clear.
    
    	Won't be long now!
    
    	John

	Does anyone know of some sort of inexpensive aftermarket 
"catch net"  for ski boats ?   I've seen the  "radar arch"  style ones
that are used a lot for jump events, but they look as if they're
either part of the boat or a very expensive add on.

	Reg	{I hate it when the handle hits me in the back of the head}

    Re: Reg,

    	Yeah, the cheapest "net" is to listen for that familiar sound
    the rope/ski pylon makes when the handle is forcibly removed from
    the skier's hands and DUCK! Twanggggg.....

    	How about one of those fancy hi-back bucket driver's seats like
    one of the tournament boats has. Is it the Supreme?

    	On another note.... I had fully planned to make use of the 
    warm temps forecast for tomorrow, that is until a bomb was dropped
    on my desk this morning. Anyone wanna talk me into ignoring said
    bomb? Say, tomorrow in N. Chelmsford?

    Rick

RE: >> Reg    {I hate it when the handle hits me in the back of the head}
Well, that explains a lot!  8^)

Hey Rick, what time are ya going tomorrow?  

Rick  who_hasn't_been_afloat_yet_this_season

re              <<< Note 938.110 by KAHALA::SUTER "Never too Hot!" >>>
>                            -< Cheap and cheapest >-


>    Re: Reg,

>    	Yeah, the cheapest "net" is to listen for that familiar sound
>    the rope/ski pylon makes when the handle is forcibly removed from
>    the skier's hands and DUCK! Twanggggg.....

	Yes, except novice spotters will sometimes do exactly the 
wrong thing when the handle comes at THEM !  

	On Ft Meadow Pond alone last year  a) someone supposedly 
popped a handle and the rope/handle actually wrapped around the 
driver's (his father) neck   b) a young woman spotter got a very nasty 
rope burn on her throat.  c) I got hit a couple or three times, none 
serious, but two were caused by very strong learners who were just 
poking the skis straight up and holding on way too long.

>    	How about one of those fancy hi-back bucket driver's seats like
>    one of the tournament boats has. Is it the Supreme?

	I was thinking along the lines (pun) of a pole that somehow
attaches to the pylon, goes to about windshield height and carries a
T, from which a net is hung.  Maybe the ends of the T would have lines
running to clips/clamps at the top corners of the winshield .... ??? 
All this would fold down for convenience, etc.  OK, I'll time stamp 
this note and copy it to my patent attorney (-:

>    	On another note.... I had fully planned to make use of the 
>    warm temps forecast for tomorrow, that is until a bomb was dropped
>    on my desk this morning. Anyone wanna talk me into ignoring said
>    bomb? Say, tomorrow in N. Chelmsford?

	Duhh, I think I have an outside observation project scheduled 
for about that time in approx the same area. 

>    Rick

	Reg

    Ski Centurion and American Skier both have meshed nets on the drivers
    seat to catch flying handles, but its part of the seat. American Skier 
    as well as MC have nice full size nets. Trouble with them is that the 
    spotter/skier/driver rotation gets to be a hassle having to duck under 
    or around the net. A floor mounted net behind the drivers seat only
    would protect the driver while not restricting movement about the cabin
    area. :^)
    
    Happened to notice that the little end of Winnisquam is half open, the
    big end is still pretty much solid. Had a burger at the Wendy's over-
    looking Paugas Bay (?) which was still quite solid. (Saturday, yea
    that's when it was, Saturday) 
    
    re. tomorrow
    If you got room for one more tomorrow, maybe around 2:00ish I could
    help twist your arm.  
    
    ~jeff  
    

re       <<< Note 938.114 by LATVMS::MERSHON "Ric - LAT/VMS Engineering" >>>
>                                -< Shock tube? >-

	Nope, not at these forces.  It seems to reduce some of the
loops that get thrown into the boat,  but when there is enough energy 
stored in a line it still hurls the handle to the windshield.
Two cases  a) a heavy skier in the course at 36 MPH, 35 off 
looses the handle at his max pull (by getting too much angle).
b) a strong beginner trying to come up behind the boat sticks the skis 
straight up, develops the white knuckle death grip and eventually lets 
go.

	Reg	{wanna_net}

    
    Ok, ok.... you guys talked me into it! :-)
    
    Tomorrow afternoon, say 13:00ish........
    
    I'll be working from home in the AM, so we can coordinate any
    details....
    
    Rick

    
    And now for todays weather, here is your "window forecaster", Rick.
    
    As of 10:41 am DST, the view to the south out my sliding glass doors
    reveals overcast skies, featuring some breaks in the clouds. The view
    out my kitchen window towards the north shows the same conditions.
    
    The temperature right now is, wait a minute let me stick my hand
    outside, is rather chilly. In other words, it certainly isn't 60
    degrees as promised by those high-tech forecasters.
    
    I do understand that some fools are planning on waterskiing today
    out in North Chelmsford. They must have listened to the "other"
    weatherpersons last night.. haha... I further understand that this
    event will take place shortly after 12:00 noon. We'll be covering
    those events, so I'll see you there...
    
    Good Eeeeeeeeevvvening!
    
    
    

    Re: 938.109
    Reg, three possible solutions come to mind.  One would be to make your
    own by creating a square frame out of the legs of one of those cheap 
    shelf units that you can find on sale.  Kinda looks like oversized
    Erector set stuff.  Then get a bunch of cheap bungie cords at your
    local discount place (like Spags). Weave a pattern of interlocking
    squares.  Next, I've seen some cars (Ford Taurus?) that come with a 
    elastic mesh cargo hold-down net with hooks at the four corners. Again,
    make your own frame.  Lastly, I thought I saw something in the last
    Overton's catalog that attaches to the rope itself to stop spring back.
    Last thought.  They also make a big cargo net for the back of pick-up
    truck beds.  You could go from the top of the windshield to the stern
    of the boat.  It would restrict movement but you'ld be well protected!
    Wayne

    
    	Awesome afternoon yesterday!
    
    	A few checks for leaks in the new shower system and Jackie, Reg,
    Jeff and myself stirred up the waters of the Merrimack in Lowell,
    yesterday. Just after launching the boat, I had to remove the top of
    my wetsuit because it was too hot! Yes, you heard (read) Correct-ly,
    when the sun was shining, it was too hot to wear the top of my wetsuit.
    Ah what a feeling to drive the boat *without* a shirt!
    
    	Jackie was up first, of course since she has been skiing for nearly
    a month, it was now "old-hat" to her.
    
    	Reg was next clad in his wild purple wetsuit. Jackie says; "Look at
    him go, he's skiing as if the water *isn't* cold!". Gee where'd that
    tripperfish come from?
    
    	Me, is it my turn? Am I actually going to get *in* the water. Well,
    if I don't want to hack up my new ski on the beach I am. It can't
    be that bad. Actually it wasn't. The water certainly didn't numb
    everything like it did several weeks ago. Also, warm water in my suit
    and my bindings didn't hurt either. 
    
    	We were just about to check and see if Tyngsboro had removed a
    Pontiac we spotted on a previous outing from the river, when we noticed
    a Blazer paked on the ramp.
    
    	Jeff's here! Must be his turn.... haha He looked really good on
    his fancy Kidder Redline, especially for his first ski of the year.
    
    	Gee, is there a pattern here? 4 skiers, 3 Kidder skis....
    
    	Temps are supposed to remain mild thru the weekend. I plan on
    attending the Sunday Cleanup and do some skiing. I'll probably be
    there Saturday also. any takers?
    
    Rick
    
    	

    It looks as if the temps may break into the 80's for the first time out
    here in Co. and you can be assured that Wayne and I will be taking full
    advantage of it.....as long as the wally's don't come out in full
    force. Wayne,plan on coming back into work Mon. very
    tired,sunburned,and totally skied out.
    
    The first thing I am going to conquer is the Hyper-slalom...32off.
    Yea buddie. 
    
    Go C O N N E L L Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Matt.
    
    ps. Hope you guys out east have an extreme weekend!!

    Here in Ashburnham, MA, it's about 28 F. 
    
    It snowed this morning.

re                    <<< Note 938.121 by BEDAZL::BRASSARD >>>

>    Here in Ashburnham, MA, it's about 28 F. 
    
>    It snowed this morning.


	So what ?

	R

    
    Yeah, the question isn't "did it snow?", but
    
    		"Is it frozen?"
    
    		And of course the answer is no... so the River
    is still a go for tomorrow, if I manage to get this release_from_hell
    off my back!
    
    Rick

    
      We enjoyed the best weekend of the year so far. Temps were
    in the mid 70's,no wind,no wally's,and no bumble-bee's. 
    
      Friday I went through 2 tanks of petrol. After 3 sets of hot course
    action,we went to barefooting. Backwards runs,tumbles,toe-holds,and
    unintentional front flips. 
    
    Sat was great too,Sun was foggy and misty but it kept the lake as
    smooth as glass.
    
    Today,wow,the best day yet,77 degrees,glass water,and no wally's.
    36.........shorten the rope...........ski hot ski alot.
    
    During the evening hours the coors flowed smoothly,the hot tub bubbled
    and the hot and spicy chicken wings were gobbled. 
    
    Absolutely incredible,Gawd I love this sport!!
    
    Crash Klein

    
    Just to make you all a little jealous,  I just got back from
    6 days in Alabama, waterskiing and golfing over the Easter weekend.
    
    My partents have a place on Lake Guntersville, in Guntersville, AL.
    It's an hour outside of Huntsville , AL.  next to nowhere-ville.
    It is a 24 mile dam'ed/locked  portion of the Tennessee River.
    The water temps were 68-70 degress,  air temps were about 80 degrees
    and sunny. :-)  I got in three days of skiing and 3 rounds of golf.
    And let me tell you I was quite sore in the muscles after the first
    three days of the season.   It was quite enjoyable skiing without
    a drysuit, booties, hood, and special gloves.  I am now really psyched
    to do some more skiing,  although I have a snow ski trip planned for
    this weekend.  Bring on the warm weather.
    
    Mike Smith
    

re                       <<< Note 938.125 by ROCK::SMITH >>>
>                          -< My season has started. >-

	Hey, Ya shudda bin out there tuesday night with Wendy, Dana, 
Greg, Me, et al {Not Big Al}

	Reg

    
    Reg,
    
    I just bought a new dry suit so I will be looking to get out
    there soon.  I saw you all out there tuesday, but had gotten home
    from work fairly late.  I am surprised you don't have the docks
    at your club put in yet.   Or should I say I'm surprised 
    you have not gotten your son to put the docks in yet.  :-)
    
    Mike

    Your right it was nice out there tuesday night. We were out there
    cutting up Lake Boone. It was a little windy but it was warmmmm! Hope
    its nice this weekend.
    
    Steve

    Weather report for this weekend is definitely not cheery.  Temperatures
    in the 50's with plenty of drizzle.  
    
    Anne  (anxious_to_get_onto_the_water_soon)

	I cleaned my boat up, a LOT (about time, I know).

	Anyway, I washed and waxed and Armor_all'd just about
everything, then we went skiing.  I have been using windex on my
bindings since last year, supposedly its better than slime and it
certainly washes out quickly, though I'm not convinced that the 
ammonia is good for rubber.  As I slipped into my ski I realized that
I was slipping in unusually smoothly and this was probably because in
my absent minded hurry to ski I had grabbed the wrong spray bottle. 

	So, has anyone else tried Armor_all as a ski binding lube ? (-: 
It certainly lubes the binding very well and it seems to mostly wash
away with a few ankle wriggles by the time the line is tight.  Its
claimed as a rubber, vinyl, etc.  "protectant"  so why not ?

	Reg

    I have also tried armor all by accident also. I was using it on the
    outside of my binding just to protect the rubbers. Got some on the
    inside of the rear toe rubber and found that it wouldn't wash out. Had
    to take soap and water and wash it out. Your right the stuff is as
    slipery as sh*t, but won't washout. We have been using dishsoap in a
    spray bottle but have been wondering about the efects on the rubber
    also. I only got one year out of the front toe rubber on my Connelly
    high wrap. The good news was when I called Overtons for the new rubber
    instead of 29 $ it was only 5 $. I guess that it was known to be
    defective. With the new front rubber I also ordered some binding slime
    seems to work good. 
    Come on warm weather!
    Steve

    
    Armor-All doesn't seem to be appropriate anywhere that you need 
    some kind of traction.  I once made the mistake of using the stuff
    on the rubber floor mats in my car, I won't do that again!
    
    Rick

    
    I used Armor-all in the seats in the bridge of my boat, until the
    
    day  i got caught in some nasty weather, couldn't stay put.
    
    I'd suggest 303  protectant, Boat U.s. has it as well as other
    marine suppliers. It does not contain silicone oil.
    
    JIm

Speaking of Amor-all, has anyone seen the George Blair commercial?
I like the ending shot where George does the teeth-hold footin'
maneuver and says/thinks  "I hope my teeth don't fall out!".  :>)

Jeanne

    Just buy the cheapest dish soap you can find,you'll be able to get into
    your bindings with ease and the cheap soap rinses away quicker.
    Don't waste your money on any of  the SLIMES. You can get a HUGE 
    bottle of a brand like Sun Light  for just over a buck. 
    
    What ever ya choose to use,just make sure  ya do use it.
    
    Take it from a crip who skipped the soap and broke his ankle.
    
    Crash

re                       <<< Note 938.132 by GOLF::WILSON >>>
>                             -< Live and learn... >-

    
>    Armor-All doesn't seem to be appropriate anywhere that you need 
>    some kind of traction.  

	Right,  but I'm thinking that if/when I'm skiing right I don't 
need any kind of traction within the boot  - -  when I'm NOT skiing 
right (like Crash Matrix sez)  I'd rather pop outta them boots real 
quick.

	Flipper

    I understood what one of the previous noters claimed about armour
    all being very slippery when it rains. I made the gawd awful mistake
    of putting it on my steering wheel one rainy April month not too long
    ago. I had to wear my ski gloves to drive the boat. :-)
    
    I made a comment about dish soap,I think the cheap stuff washes away
    real quick and makes for an easy entry. One thing I would like to add
    to that is,well,a couple of things:
    
       If you use double high wraps,make sure they both feel the same.
    If one comes out easier than the other,you have defeated the purpose
    of using them. 
    
       Use equal amounts of soap in both boots.
    
       Tugging on the bindings not only tear the rubber but it also helps
    cause the retention screws to work loose. If they work loose and you
    ski long enough with them loose,the holes in the ski will wobble out.
    
       When taking the ski off after skiing,grab the tip and pull it 
    towards you instead of kicking it off.
    
       Some manufacturers use gel packs that conform to the sole of your
    foot,so if you allow too many people to use your ski,the gel pack will
    simply become squashed and will make the boot feel loose to you after
    a while. 
    
       When donning your ski,try to use your down-ward weight to enter 
    the boot rather than the pulling force used by your arms.
    
       I have found it easier to put my rear foot in first and then your
    front. ???????????
    
       Obviously,keep your boots out of the sun.
    
       Try adjusting the overlays so that they conform to the top of your
    foot. exam. on the boot that your left foot in,place the overlay that
    goes from right to left on the bottom side,next to the actual binding 
    rubber. Itwill make for a more comfortable more secure fit.
    
       Try to keep sand out of the binding parts too.
    
    For a lot of you,it was a waste of time to read this but there may
    be a few out there that are using high wraps for the first time and
    I thought that a few pointers on taking care of them may prevent a
    few costly repairs that I have made on customer's skis through the
    years.
    
    b.t.w. I may give up skiing and take up windsurfing as that is the
    only group of enthusiasts currently enjoying this Colowindo weather.
    
    CrasH Matrix

re                       <<< Note 938.137 by COMET::KLEINM >>>
>                        -< binding care for calm days >-
    
>       When taking the ski off after skiing,grab the tip and pull it 
>    towards you instead of kicking it off.
    

	Good tip !

    
>       I have found it easier to put my rear foot in first and then your
>    front. ???????????

	I havn't yet tried this form of  "skiing together"  according 
	to how well the partners match it ccould be errr, "exciting "  ??
    

	Reg  (front flip)

    Wayne and I as well as a couple other tug boat owners try to set up
    our skiing days so that we can share boats. For everyone but the person
    taking the boat,it makes skiing very time efficient and conveinient.
    
    Wayne takes his boat on Mon. and I take mine on Tues and so on. 
    
    Another great advantage to this method is that we ski with the same 
    people more often which allows each other to become aware of one 
    another's habits and style. Pointers can be given more frequently
    and with more consistancy,everyone improves at a much greater rate
    this way. It also helps to ski behind different tow boats. The pull
    is different,the driver is different and hence you are able to 
    adapt to varying conditions better when it comes tournament time.
    
    ski ya
    
    Matrix

    After looking back at note 137 I have found my typo,
    
    "my rear foot and then your front foot......."
    
    sounds like something that should be done in the confines of 
    one's own home.
    
    righteous dudesssssssssssssssssssss
    
    

    The weather out here has been absolutely incredible. Last week we
    had temps in the mid to high 80's,and this week they are predicting
    chillin temps in the mid 70's. We have even gone to shortie wetsuits.
    Bye bye dry. Now I can start spending some time swimming between my
    tricks falls.:-)
    
    b.t.w. The Bud pro tour is on ESPN Tues. night 6:00 p.m. Colorado time.
    
    "Make sure you tune in to watch the big dogs(and the circus acts  that
    have replaced Women's jump.)"

    I just want to say,I was impressed with the "NEW" pro tour.
    Sammy set a new world record too! 206!! and the cameras covered
    the happy scenes back at the dock very well.
    The personal profiles of Sammy and Deena were great!
    I am also SOOOOOOOOOOOO happy that the knee/wakeboard events have
    their own 1/2 hour segment. Last year Mich tried shoving too much
    into one one hour program and it did'nt work. The REAL skiing got
    shoved to the side,the only things you would see was the highlights.
    No drama! I still miss women's jump. What a shame.
    
    No circus,just real skiing!!  I was impressed I was impressed!
    

    
    I thought the show was good too, Matt.  I really appreciated
    the special effects used (being an artist myself), it looks
    like they're running the video through some sort of paper
    filter, I can get the same result on my MAC IICX here in
    Littleton.
    
    Sammy jumped 206 feet on his first jump, that was amazing.
    During his interview he mentioned that he has still not
    reached his potential, and plans on probably reaching the
    210 mark before he retires from the sport.  
    
    It was great to see Dave Reinhart take 1st place in the
    freestyle, I spoke with him for about an hour at Baert's
    this March.  He told me he cannot see the ski when he is
    performing his tricks (only has sight in one eye). 
    
    So they did away with the women's jump, but not the men's....
    ahhaa..I see....OK.  I'm not surprized!!  :>)  As much as
    that is a loss, especially for Deena, I noticed there seemed
    to be lots of slalom shown, videos of ancient water skiing
    back in the 1920's???, and quite a few pointers on the different
    types of skiing styles.  
    
    I too thought the show was well done, I've yet to hit the
    water, now I'm ready!  
    
    Jeanne
    

    The other night's show was enough to make anyone and everyone
    get pumped for skiing!! 
    I watched the tape again last night and they did not show Sammy's
    first two jumps. His world record jump was his third.
    
    And yes! Dave the Dog is as incredible of a person as he is a skier.
    
    ski hot ski alot Jeanne.
    
    show that course whose boss!
    
    Crash

    
    Did you notice that Kristi Overton has switched to EP? 
    Wonder why she left Connelly?
    
    I watched the tape again too.....by the way, is Mike
    Hjellander competing on the Connelly Rocket this year?
    Good thing he's in a toe, did you see his ski swing around?
    That looked nasty!
    
    Jeanne

    Kristi switched for 3 reasons.
    
    1. Connelly has Helena.
    2. Connelly has signed on a lot of young up and comers.
    3. Overton's wanted to sell Signature skis and Connelly said no.
       
    Yep, Helena and Mike will both be riding Rockets this year. 
    
    Connelly no longer makes the HP,the HP's you see in the mail order
    catalogs are last year's carry overs and blems. The are'nt sig's 
    eithor.
    
    After watching the fall Mike made,which was a twisty that hurt my
    knee and ankle just watching,I would of preferred to take that fall
    with dbl.high wraps. Of course,I am a VERY BIG  fan of dbl. contours
    if you are skiing around 34-36 mph and chopping the rope.
    
    how is the skiing going out there? Are you guys tearing it up?
    When's your first tourney?
    
    Crash

    Hi Matt,
    
    Weekend weather out here in New England has been lousy. Last wekend
    'they' were predicting rain but it turned out to be excellent afterall. 
    I helped put 4+ hours on my friends Barefoot Nautique between Saturday
    and Sunday with just the two of us footin' off the boom.   
    
    My Kidder and I haven't been talking much this year. Something about
    having a boat with a wake the size of a step. :^(
    
    It's still early in the season. In many respects this time of year is
    the greatest. Last weekend we had temps in the 60-70's, water was
    tolerable with a b/f suit and another wetsuit under it, and NO other
    boats on the lake. I don't look forward to the mid summer lunacy on the
    lake. 
    
    Tender Arches, 
    
    ~jeff

    
    
    Yeah, unfortunately the situation which Tender Archie alluded to has
    already happened on the Merrimack. Lot's of Wallys out there last
    weekend!
    
    On a positive note, many of them don't know abut the "deadly channel"
    as evidenced by the fact that many of them drove straight thru it down
    the center of the river. Oh well, when the water gets a little lower
    they won't make it past MP&M.
    
    Speaking of warm temps and moderate water temps.... anyone up for a 
    little skiing this evening?
    
    Rick

    I have felt real lucky to have had the great spring conditions 
    that have allowed us to ski hard for about 3 1/2 months already.
    It's all about to come to a screetching pain in the ***. The wallys
    start hitting us hard around Memorial day. the other problem with
    our local lake is that is when they start enforcing all the rules,
    especially the wake allowed hours. I guess we will have to start 
    skiing at 5:30 a.m. and on weekends go to the private lake. Not by
    any means " conveinient". 
    
    Next weekend will be quiet for us,then for the following 3 weeks
    there will be:
    
                   2 novice slalom tournaments
                   1 class C 3 round slalom tournament
                   and a Water sports festival where we have  to do about
                   4 ski shows,a coupla barefoot exhibitions,and so forth.
    
                   and The National wakeboard championships.
    
    I am the director and chief driver for one of the novice slalom
    tournaments which will have handicap rules and a HEAD TO HEAD
    FINALS round on the following day! We will even be using last 
    year's Pro tour Mc's. 
    
    After all of this,I'll take a week off from skiing and go do
    some farming in Iowa,I'll call it rest!
    
    
    Crash

    Bud Dry Tour is on Tues. night.   espn.    2nd stop.

    
    Re:  Bud Dry Tour. 
    
    Good, I need to watch and *study*, my skiing is so bad.
    Those first 3 dozen runs of the year have so many BUGS
    in them!  :>)
    
    I've been skiing behind a 1992 ProStar MasterCraft.  What
    an incredible boat, the wake is so soft and almost non-existant.
    I'm gettin' spoiled!  Where can I find an extra $22K to
    buy one of these toys?!  
    
    Jeanne
    

    Jeanne,
    
    I want to keep typing "Dry". I love that Dry beer. It is the
    Bud "PRO" tour. but I don't think they'll mind if we drink
    bud dry while we are watching their event. :-)
    
    Everyone in this notes file knows I am a SUPRA fan,but I can truely
    understand why you are spoiled by the new Prostar's slalom wake.
    It is very soft and low even at speeds as low as 24-26! 
    
    and now...........off to the tour
    
    
    crash

    Today it was 90 degrees. I can hardly take all this heat. gotta
    get in the water so ofter just to keep from dehydrating. Shorties are
    gone,down to the skimpys now. 
    
    
    IT'S GONNA BE A VERY HOT SUMMER HOME BUOYS!
    
    
    1992  the year of the blood and buoy tour! 
    
    
    SkI hOt  SkI aLoT!!

    
    Spray burn....oooh, ahhh, ouch!  How do you prevent it
    other than wearing a spray guard, is it caused from
    poor form or technique?  Any suggestions?  Taaaaanks,
    
    Jeanne
    

    
    Ah Jeanne,
    
    	You're supposed to get spray burn! By July you won't even notice.
    
    Rick ooo_My_right_calf_is_kinda_touchy_too

    
    Ooohhhh...I see, you're *supposed* to get it.  That's cool,
    I like pain, oh yeah...
    
                        :>)
    
    

Jeanne ... I doubt there's a way to prevent it other than wearing a spray legging
or full suit.  Think about it ... try slapping your forearm for five minutes
non-stop and see if it doesn't get sore!  :-)

...Roger... also_nursing_a_sore_calf_and_a_major_blister_on_his_left_hand

    
>Jeanne ... I doubt there's a way to prevent it other than wearing a spray legging
>or full suit.  Think about it ... try slapping your forearm for five minutes
>non-stop and see if it doesn't get sore!  :-)
    
    	Nah..... nah.... I think I'll hit CTRL-Z before I get into trouble!

    
    Rick....sometimes I just can't believe you are a *moderator*....
    It's like putting filet mignon in front of a hungry dog and
    thinking he won't do anything about it.  :>)  :>)
    
    Anyways, Roger, you are absolutely right, I slapped myself
    on the arm at least 9 times and what do you know....a welt
    appeared.  That's just amazing!  :>)
    
    Seriously, I thought bad ski technique might have something
    to do with the spray burn...guess not.  Will wear the spray
    leggin' next time.  
    
    Jeanne
     

    
    
    Grrrrrrrr.......
    
    On the contrary, I think spray burn means you're doing it right....
    That you're not just wimping in the corners, you're getting enough
    angle for the spray to hit your calf.
    
    You've skiied hard enough to get burn for quite some time, haven't you?
    
    My skin may be like leather (haha) but it toughens up real fast, then I 
    don't even feel the spray.
    
    Bow-wow :-)

    guys,
    
    It is caused by a form problem. If your rear knee is not tucked in
    behind your front,the spray will catch it. As the season goes on,
    you'll eithor get them cheeks pinched and the knees in a tucked 
    formation,or your calf will turn to leather and you won't notice
    it anymore. :-0
    
    ski hot,
    
    Crash

    
    Thanks Crash....that makes sense about tucking the back knee
    into the front.  I've noticed how close the pros keep their
    knees together.  
    
    Think I'll go practice...right now!  Enjoy the weekend, people!
    
    Jeanne
    

I agree with Matt.  I used to wear a spray protector, but tossed it (actually,
my daughter uses it as a knee brace now) when I started skiing with better form
(e.g. back knee tucked in behind the front one.)
 Now, I use it as a warning tha
my form is failing.  If I get back to the dock and my calf is burning, I know to 
work on tucking my knee in on the next set, and to bend those legs forward at the 
ankles.

/wayne

    Water skiing on tonight ESPN 6:00. 
    The Masters??
    

    A good friend of mine just bought a 1992 MOOMBA BOOMERANG.
    
    It has the 285hp PCM PRO BOSS and it runs HARD.
    
    The boat only weighs about 1900 lbs,and you can tell when you're
    pulling short line slalom,I could feel it starting @ 28 off,but it
    was'nt so bad that affected me adversely,but some rear end sliding
    was apparent. The wakes were sweet,a bit asymmetrical,but very very
    low,soft,and flat. 
    
    Overall,I would recommend the boat to a first time buyer that wanted
    a rocket on the water with low wakes for slalom skiing. It had plenty
    of pickup and top speed for barefooting,no rooster tail what so ever,
    a flat,non-turbulent table would also please. 
    
    Because of the asymetrical wakes,I could'nt recommend it for high
    point trickers.
    
    This boat was very solid as well,handled wake crossing and chop
    with the feel of a much larger boat,handling was swift,there was no
    vibrations or rattles anywhere.
    
    If you are in the market for a new inboard that flies for around
    15 k,check out the Boomerang!
    
    
    Matt

    Fellow ski buffs,
    	It was nice to find this note - I didn't know there were so many
    skiers in DEC.
    	We have a slalom course and a Nautique 75 minutes from either the
    OTO or KAO site.  Your discussions about boat traffic made me realize how 
    lucky we are.  I can head up to the lake on a Wednesday night and the
    3 of us in our group can still each get three passes in.  On the other 
    hand, our season doesn't start till mid May and there's maybe a two week 
    period in July when the water isn't cold.  Probably why the best skier
    in our group has a condo in Ft. Meyers...
    	If any of you folks happen to be travelling to the great white
    north, drop me a line.  We enjoy taking new people out.  A couple of
    years ago I got tired of boring trips to Mass. and managed to smuggle
    my ski onto the DEC charter flight (this thing?  it's a 65" neon briefcase,
    why do you ask?) and the Fort Meadow's group took me for a ski.
    	By the way, anybody do the labour day slalom tournaments in Albion, 
    Michigan or Indiana?  I'm looking forward to those again, even though 
    my PB is where most of those skiers warm up at.
    -Jim 

    Has anyone out there had any experiances with AWSA's new
    timing rules for the slalom course?  
    
    You now have to time the driver as you would in a jump course.
    There are now 2 seperate segments and both segments have to be
    within tolerance no matter where the skier falls. The tolerances
    have also been tightened up. 
    
    To time for slalom now,you need to set your watch up in the Lap 
    mode.
    
    It's tough,before,you could be out in the split and bring er in
    to tolerance before the exits and you were ok,now,even if the skier
    makes the full course and the 1st segment was cold but the 2nd was
    good,it's a reride.
    
    good luck.
    
    If you go to a tournament plan on about twice as many re-rides and
    a much longer day at the site.
    
    Thanks awsa. 
    
    
    Scrap

    Water skiing Tues. eve. ESPN. 
    
    Bud Pro Tour,Chicago stop.
    
    ski ya,
    
    
    Matt

    
    Will Chris Lapoint win again!?  :>)  
    
    Jeanne
    

    Bet not.
    
    How often do we see Andy let go of the handle rounding the 1 ball?
    
    but,we shall see.

    
    Right.....I wondered if Andy (nice guy that he is) gave
    away that tournament to Kris.  Sure looked like he gave
    it away.
    
    Was that John McEnroe or Sammy Duvall having a temper
    tantrum over the wind conditions?  :>)  
    
    Jeanne
    

	re .171

	Had to read it twice;  first time I thought it said;  "CUTPAY::DECAROLIS"

	R	{musta got too much lake water behind the eyelids this morning}

    
    That could very well be the case on July 27th.  More like
    NOPAY::DECAROLIS.    :>)
    
    jd/
    

    Sammy was upset for sure. I think it is good to see him lose for a 
    change. He was getting to cocky.
    
    I agree with you Jeanne,I think Andy gave Kris the victory. The site
    was where Kris had previously set a world record and he also had
    commented that he would love to retire by winning a pro tour stop.
    Everything fell into place real nice. Andy and Kris work together,ski
    together,and design skis together @ O'Brien,they are good friends,
    I would do that for a friend too if I was in Andy's dominant position.
    
     How  bout that Helena Kjellander?  She is skiing smooth. Looked great.
    wonder where Jennifer was?  Bet Kristi Overton wishes now she would of
    never left Connelly,she is having a disasterous year on that EP ski.
    
    
    Andy won the stop but I think Wade Cox was the better skier. He is 
    coming on hard and will be challenging Andy later on down the road.
    He is skiing very smoothly.
    
    Did Andy have his teeth fixed? they looked whiter and straighter than
    they did back in '89.
    
    1992 has brought us several different winners in all of the events,
    no shoe-ins this year. This is one of the most competitive seasons
    on the pro tour that I have seen for a while. 
    
    If any of you missed last nights broadcast,it will be on again Fri.
    morn.
    
    
    ski hot over the 4th,watch out for the Yahoo's!
    
    Matt

    The 33rd Masters
    
    RESULTS
    
    
    Women's tricks
    
    1.Tawn Larsen          7300
    2.Deena Mapple         5870
    3.Sherri Slone         4980
    
    Men's tricks
    
    1.Kreg Llewelln        8620   (kinda low 1st place score)
    2.Tory Baggiano        8530   ( real low for a world record holder)
    3.Patrice Martin       5350   ( what???)
    
    Women's slalom
    
    1.Kristi Overton       1 @ 38
    2.Helena Kjellander    1/2 @ 38
    3.Susi Graham          3 1/4 @ 35
    
    Men's slalom
    
    1.Andy Mapple          3 @ 39 1/2
    2.Jeff Rodgers         2 @ 38
    3.Carl Roberge         1 1/2 @ 38
    
    Women's jump
    
    1.Deena Mapple         141
    2.Britta Grebe         134
    3.Jodie Skipper        131
    
    Men's Jump
    
    1.Sammy Duvall         203
    2.Bruce Neville        199
    3.John Swanson         186
    
    Women's overall---Deena Mapple
    Men's overall-----Jaret Llewellyn
    
    Jaret set a new jump world record in the prelims of 207 ft.
    
    
    What an event,we need to see more of this on ESPN.
    
    An impressive event 2nd to none.
    
    Thanks Correct Craft for supporting 3 event traditional skiing!

    I have an opportunity to take the "summer long celebrity water ski
    instructional tour" clinic in Syracuse.  The instructor will be Dave
    Reinhart.  From what I understand, the class is limited to 15 students
    per day and the instructor rotates out 3-4 people for a 45 min period
    from 9:00-4:00.  I was told if it rains your out of luck.  
    
    What I want to get out of the training is:
    
    1. the ability to deep water start with one ski 
    2. improve my form and ability to stay on the ski
    
    Unfortunately I do not have access to a good skier so for the past 3
    years I have been teaching myself and reading about it.  The time has
    come for some help in form and techniquie.
    
    My question is, has anybody been involved with this traveling show and
    if yes what was your expierence.  Will it be worth the $75.00 and what
    about the no rain refund.
    
    Rick
       
    

    Rick,
    
    For what you want/need to learn,I don't think you can get your $75
    worth from Dave. Are there any ski clubs in your area? Some offer
    free learn to ski clinics from time to time. Try using a camcorder
    and possibly purchase a "beginner/intermediate video so you can see
    and learn the correct body position for deep waters and so forth.
    
    Matt

    A good friend of mine just bought a 1992 Mastercraft Pro Star 190.
    With the 285hp powerslot. It is black on white with teal accents.
    She runs about 38-39 mph @ 6000 ft,and gets there quick and hard!!
    It tracks better than last year's 190's and is quieter,less vibration.
    
      WHat a wake,I mean,what wake? The cool thing is,it has a great trick
    wake at 17 mph for me too! If they could reduce the rooster a tad at
    22 off,and the spray starting @ 28 off,it would be even sweeter.
    To help it track better,we are going to shave the rudder just a ioda.
    
    
    Lot's of new boats on Prospect this year,a Moomba,an MC,and a
    Brendella.
    
    The Moomba is not a real serious boat though as it does'nt track well
    enough,but hey,it's a fun little boat to drive.
    
    
    
    
    sittin in towboat utopia,
    
    Matt

    
    ski hot
    
    ski alot
    
    cut some glass
    
    
    shread some buoys
    
    
    rip a flip
    
    
    get some outrageous air
    
    
    this weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Hey Matt,
    
      A thank-you is in order...  What you said some time ago about getting
    rid of the spray leg and working on tucking the rear knee in has
    helped.  (kinda like a spray-indicator...)  I'm now keeping my rear leg
    less strait and it's helping to slow down the old TRC in the preturn...
    Attitude (of the ski) is everything!  :^)
    
      Another trick I'm gonna try (told to me by an O'Brien rep) is to
    lightly sand the sharp bevels on the last one-third of the ski. This
    will help the ski to roll through the transition (preturn) a little
    smoother.  Comments?...
    
     Doug _ Skiin' (too) Hot (havin' trouble slowin' down)
            Skiin'  Alot     (well, as much as possible..)
     

    Doug,
    
    I definately agree w/the OB rep. Not only will the ski roll onto it's
    deceleration edge quicker,it will help the ski achieve angle out of the
    turn somewhat as well. We don't usually recommend that anymore nowadays
    with adj.fins,also,a lot of weekend warriors would sand a little,sand
    a little more,a a little more until they had the bevels to a point
    where it was actually harming them,ya know,the "point of diminishing
    return" theory?  =8*')
    
    So,I would say do it,just be very careful that you do not go too far
    up towards the mid-section,and take a little off at a time. You will
    be able to sand a bit more off,round it more,on the ON side of your
    stick,a little less on the OFF side,you don't want to ski to roll too
    aggressively on your off side.  If you do happen to sand too much off,
    you'll have to buy an adj.fin and slide er back a bit to get some of 
    that predictibility back into you ski.
    
    Good luck,and keep those hips foreward,cuz,the ski will tend to leave
    you behind due to it's tighter turning radius and more aggressive 
    deceleration characteristics.
    
    
    Matt

    Ya know Doug,
    
    You probably don't want to spend the money (about $35) for an 
    adjustable fin,but you could control and change so much more about
    the way you and your ski work together with a fin than by sanding 
    your bevels.
    
    For instance:
    
    If your ski is not coming around quick enough out of your off side
    turn,you could move the fin foreward.
    
    If your ski was over-turning,hooking coming out of your on side turn,
    you could increase the depth of the fin at the leading edge.
    
    If you wanted the ski to roll over onto it's decel edge quicker,you 
    can decrease the depth of the fin at the leading edge,but,if after 
    making that adjustment,the ski starts hooking,you could slide it back
    about 1/32" to correct that.
    
    I am a firm believer in the adj. fins. Once a person detects his 
    problem,a slight modification in the attitude of the ski can do 
    wonders. The only rules are,mark,record all changes on the bottom
    of the ski and fin with a pencil,make only one directional change at
    a time,and make it a minor one at that.
    
    Basically,for your on side you will make up-down adj.
    and for your off side,you should move the fin eithor for or aft.
    Depth at the trailing edge should remain at about 2 1/2 inches,any
    shallower and the ski may pop out in hard turns and it 
    will not hold a good angle through the wakes.
    
    These changes should be made without a foil attached,if you are skiing
    34/22 or 36/15 and are using a fin,remember to change the angle when
    you change the blade so that remains constant.
    
    for skiing up to 28 off,a wing angle of 7 degrees seems just right.
    
    into 28 and 32,about 10 degrees is needed
    after that,the most I have ever used was about 12.
    For skiers not at 34/22 or 36/15 I have always stressed body position
    first to correctly decelerate the ski,secondly fin adjustments.
    
    but that is just my opinion.  :-)
    
    One more cool thing,the attitude of the ski can be greatly changed
    with a fin adjustment,and by doing that you can utilize the entire 
    ski at all times,if the ski is riding too nose deep in the turns,
    you just take away a bit of that pressure by increasing the depth of
    the fin at the leading edge.
    
    
    Matt

    I wonder if water skiing was on espn tonight?
    I wonder if my wife taped it for me?

    I need some advice.
    
    Has anyone out there been to a tournament where the judging towers
    were out in the water,floating? It would be needed if the course was
    too far from the shoreline to be seen by a shoreline judge.
    We have this problem at our lake. The lake is 1700 ft wide and the 
    course is in the middle. For our tournament that is to be held in
    Sept,we do not wish to drag the course in closer to shore,although
    that is what we did last year. If we could find a simple solution
    for a floating judging tower,our lives would be made much simpler.
    
    thx,
    
    Matt

    Matt,
    	The last two Eastern Canadian tourney sites, in Ste. Adele Quebec and
    Dartmouth Nova Scotia, both had floating towers.
    	They seemed to work well.  The judges looked like they had a great
    view and I didn't notice any backwash.  Both sites were on small, but a
    touch too wide for shore judging, private lakes.
    	As for 'legality', I presume that there's no problem.  CWSA rules 
    generally follow AWSA.  Also, the Ste. Adele tournament was record 
    capability with tighter split and total tolerences as well as videoing the
    boat path any time a skier got within a pass of a record, in order to ensure
    no weaving.
    	If you need more info on how they set it up, reply to this note and
    I'll see if I can dig up the names of the tournament organizers.
    	
    Jim

    Jim,
    
    I am very much interested in what they used. I am familiar with
    where they would need to be placed,how high off the water and such,
    just don't know what to use that would be stable,simple,and yet
    would not create backwash.
    
    
    THANKS IN ADVANCE
    
    Matt

    Matt,
    	A friend of mine just came back from a tournamant at Safari Lake
    near Toronto, and it might be a better place to check out for floating 
    towers than the others.
    	Call Dave or Sandra Kovak at 416 659-7862.
    	A few details:
    	Dave is a builder.  He constructed the houses around their site so
    I presume that even if he didn't build the towers, he'd know how they were
    put together.
    	I only met Dave once, very briefly, last year, so he probably won't
    remember me but tell him you got his name from a friend of Dan
    Anderson.  He should remember Dan as he got into 38 off at the
    tournament.
    	Dan described the Safari Lake site as one of the best he ever skied
    at, with the floating towers like pontoon boats and not causing
    backwash.  It sounded like quite the tournament too - Joel McClintock
    was competing and several skiers ran 35 off.  Oh well, I'll remain upbeat 
    about finally running 22 off this year.
    
    best of luck with your tournament,
    Jim

    Jim,
    
    congrads on your 22 off. 28 becomes much more interesting,the key
    is patience in the turns and good long hard pulls through the wakes,
    and use an aggressive deceleration.
    
    Thanks again for the info and references about the floating towers,but
    just today,our Board of Mis-directed directors voted to move our
    only class c to another lake and let another club host it.
    
    Matt

Slalom Clinic Report

Yesterday, me and 11 other skiers spent the day with Dave Reinhard.
The clinic was held on Long Pond...conditions were cloudy, overcast
in the morning, but glassy conditions made up for  the lousy weather.
The tow boat was a True-Trac III Centurian.  I'm a real wake brat,
but with four people in the boat I found the wake to be very
tolerable....even through the course at slow speeds.

Dave is lots of fun, I got a lot out of the class from him.
It's funny how weeks of aggravation can be corrected by just a few
small adjustments, like, keeping your head up around the buoys,
leading with your front knee to slow the ski down, etc.  And
then having someone re-inforce what you know you should be
doin'.....hard hard pulls!  It was great.    

We were rained out from 2:30 on, but after 15 deep water starts,
and 30 passes through the course, I really didn't mind!  If
it had been nicer, Dave was going to do a demonstration on the
Connelly Schtick, and I was going to ride in the boat to take
photos....but...oh well.  Next year.

Jeanne

    Jeanne,
    
    Sounds like you had a good time and learned a lot from Dave
    Reinhard,I could use a clinic right about now to improve my skiing.
    
    There is a lot of waterskiing on tv this week. The bud tour and two
    Ski Ray "Tournament of Champions" events,what ever they are??
    
    The Ski Ray  tournaments are being held on Prime.
    
    Bashin Buoys,
    
    Matt

    Hi Matt,

    When is the Ski Ray "Tournament of Champions" on and what station, I
    would really like to see it if I can or at least tape it.

    Skiing as hard as I can,

    Matt B.

    Matt,
    
    You missed the first one this afternoon,it was at 1:30. The Tournament
    of Champions is a "kneeboard and skiboard" tournament,no traditional
    skiing is involved.
    
    These tourneys are on the PRIME network. I not sure when the next one
    is one,I do know that it is sometime this week. I will find out for
    you tomarrow. 
    
    I hope ya'll remembered that Bud is on tonight,ESPN. 
    
    I was'nt impressed with the wakeboarders,aside from the SCUD,most of
    their manuevers were pretty lame,you don't have to be an accomplished
    boarder to pull off the majority of the tricks in their runs.
    
    The kneeboarders however impressed the hell out of me! They were fun
    to watch,I wish I was still able to kneeboard because they showed me
    a  lot of tricks that I would enjoy learning.
    
    ski ya,
    
    Mr.Concept

    
    
    copied out of Awsa's Aug/Sept. issue of The Water Skier:
    
                    W A N T E D !
                Cold Weather Skiers!
    
      The Water Skier is also looking for AWSA's off-the-wall members who
    ski in frigid and freezing tempatures during the winter.  For
    example,there are skiers in Memphis,Tennessee,who traditionally take a
    slalom set in freezing water temps on the Missississippi river on New
    Year's day.  We know you are out there and fwe want to hear from you.
    
      Mail pictures and a description of how you got  started by Sept. 1
    to:
    
        Managing editor Gregg Nixon
        c/o AWSA
        799 Overlook Drive,
        Winterhaven,Florida,
    
                   33844
    
    FAX  (813)325-8259
    
    --------------------------
    
    And I don't have any pictures,just good stories!
    
    Matt

    Matt,
    
    I regret to inform you that the next Tournament of Champions was
    on tonight,an hour long program,I did'nt tape it so I don't know 
    what was on their format,although I would guess that it was probably
    a two site/two part show highlighting the stops.
    
    Bud is on again Fri. morning,I believe @ 9:30 Mountain time,and later
    in the afternoon is another 1/2 hour  segment from the Ski Ray Tour.
    of champs..
    
    hope ya get to catch em.
    
    the other Matt who_is_starting_to_get_hooked_on freestyle wakeboarding.
    
     at least until my buoy count improves. :-)

    Thanks,

    I'll just make sure me VCR is ready. Any other ski shows on please
    let me know, I love to watch what I aspire to do someday!! :-)

    Still skiing as hard as I can...    

    Matt B.

    Matt (or any other Colorado skiers),
    	They're sending me to CXO August 18th to 22nd.  I'd really
    appreciate it if you could list any clubs or individuals that welcome
    drop-in skiers.   Ideally I'd like to ski a course with perhaps some
    coaching or even a tournament, but I'm mainly interested in avoiding 
    a week off the water.  Of course I'd expect to pay and I'm an AWSA
    member so there shouldn't be an insurance issue with a club.
    	In the latest issue of the AWSA magazine the tournament schedule
    mentions Randy Hocking from Greely CO.  Do you know anything about him
    or his club?
    	I'm looking forward to getting some work done (had to put that in
    in case my boss reads the notes) and seeing a bit of Colorado - everybody 
    from KAO who's been out there has fallen in love with the place.
    
    thanks, 
      Jim  

Give me a call at DTN 522-2106 when you get here.  I'll be on vacation skiing 
next week, but will be back the week you are here.  I'm secretary of the Colorado
Springs ski club.  Matt "Rocket" Klein is Vice President.  Our course is on a  
city lake here in the Springs.  It is a public lake, so we have to be off by
10 AM, but we usually get a couple sets in by then.  Matt and I both have 
tournament boats, and will be glad to give you a pull.  Actually, Matt may be
at Lake Powell that week, but I'll be at the lake every morning.  Too bad you 
won't be here a couple weeks later.  We'll be having a Class C tournament in
Pueblo (60 miles South), and a Novice tournament at our lake in the Springs on 
Sept. 12-13 (I think that is the correct date, Matt?)

Greely is 2-3 hours from CXO.  The Regionals were held there last week.

/wayne

    That's right,our 2 round novice tourney is on Sept. 13th.
    We would love to have you ski with us that week Jim,if Wayne isn't
    at the lake,I will be. I don't go to Powell until the 22nd.
    Wayne can give you my home number when you call him,my work number
    is 548-2872.
    
    ski ya then,
    
    Rocket Pilot

    What is the status of waterskiing in the Summer Olympics?  Seems
    to me there was talk of it becoming at least an exhibition sport?
    
    Rick

    Wayne, Matt,
    	Thanks for the invitation, I'll definately call one or both of you
    up August 18th.  
    	Me and my Stiletto can't wait for some warm(er) weather skiing.
    Jim

re                      <<< Note 938.199 by GOLF::WILSON >>>
>                         -< The "REAL" USA dream team >-

>    What is the status of waterskiing in the Summer Olympics?  Seems
>    to me there was talk of it becoming at least an exhibition sport?

	Yep, that is/was my understanding too.... not that it means 
anything to me  a) I'll never compete there  b) I "don't DO tv"  (-:
    
>    Rick


	Reg

    Isn't the biggest concern over water skiing becoming an olympic
    sport the fact that their are too many variables to make it fair?
    I don't agree with that,but I believe that is their argument along
    with the fact that there has to be a mechanical factor(the towboat).
    I don't think :-) that there are any olympic events that use a 
    motorized vehicle of any sort. 
    
    I will go through my old Water Skier mags because I think they go
    into detail explaining why "getting water skiing into the oly's"
    has been such a difficult and ongoing fight.
    
    
    MattK
    
    who won't be skiing in em eithor,but I would love to see/help my
    future son/daughter go for it.

    The Boston Sunday Globe had the big pull-out section a week back or so
    that listed all the Olympic events. I looked real hard for waterskiing
    but didn't see it. I know they had it at Seoul in '88, and I even
    remember what they used for tow-boats.
    
    They do have Olympic badmitton in '92, tell me that ain't just as good.
    
    ~jeff

    
    >>> I don't do TV....
    
    You're missing some great stuff!  Even if water-skiing isn't
    being shown, the rest of the field is amazing to watch.
    
    Tell us Jeff, (so I'll know what you just bought), what
    was the tournament boat used in '88??  :>)
    
    Jeanne
    

	re  "mechanical factors"  and  "numbers of variables beyond control"

	Well, it seems that all the shooting types of events are fairly 
technology dependent, even the things that people throw have changed from wood
to metal, composites, etc.  To say nothing of the footwear that presumably grips
the ground/track "better" than last years'.  Pole vaulters probably store some
unfair amount of energy in the pole..... unfair by the standards of bamboo poles,
they don't even have to fall the full 16+ft  from the bar (-:
  I think there are some events that involve the cooperation of (other)
animals, though the humans are awarded the medals - "equestrian"
summat-or-other.  Wasn't there a ~10MPH draft from the vent fans on the
indoor volley-ball court - howze THAT for a "controllable variable" ?

	TV ?   For a few seconds of event (usually only a finishing highlight,
and most often selected from the events the US has won, or is favored to win)
I don't want to sit through competitors' life stories and all the ads.,
just not my idea of fun  (-:

	Reg
 

    
    Baert's will be hosting the 7th Annual Long Pond Novice
    Slalom tournament this Sunday on Long Pond in Dracut, MA.
    
    Call Baert's to sign-up.
    
    Jeanne

    Jeanne,
    
    Is this tournament a sanctioned AWSA novice ?
    If it is,you'll all have to be AWSA competitive members.
    
    Matt,
    
    who_is_only_4_days_away_from_LAKE_POWELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    

    Matt,
    
    It's a non-sanctioned tournament, and they got rained
    out again!  Last year, it was a two-day tournament
    and it rained both days.
    
    This year, they limited the event to one-day only
    and it poured all day.  I was all set to enter my
    *first* tournament too!  :>)  Oh well, next year.
    They didn't cancel the event, but we weren't too
    crazy about skiing the course in the rain, especially
    with an 8:00 a.m. start.  The clinic I took with Dave
    Reinhart was at this lake and we did ski the course in
    the rain, it hurts the eyes!
    
    Lake Powell??  What's it all about, Matt?  :>)  How's
    the skiing, is it better than most?
    
    Jeanne
    

    Jeanne,
    
    Lake Powell is definately the most beautiful,most relaxing,hottest
    place I have ever taken a vacation. The lake is (I am guesstimating)
    about 150 miles long and has more arms,coves,channels,legs,and off-
    shoots than anyone could ever explore in a lifetime. Because of that
    fact,it isn't too difficult to get away from everyone and have a remote
    spot all to yourself,not having to see anyone all week long if you do
    not wish to. This lake looks very much like the Grand Canyon with about
    300 ft of water in it. It is truely breathtaking scenery,but because of
    the abrupt shoreline(there is some sandy beach,but it is very limited)
    there is a tremendous problem with backwash and rollers that refuse to
    die. If you can afford to go in one direction,it isn't a problem,the
    lake is usually glass calm even out in the main channel,but with the 
    heavy traffic from the houseboats and cruisers,it remains very rolly.
    
     This year we are taking our own slalom course,hoping we can find a
    deserted sandy beach front in which to set the course in front of,thus
    eliminating backwash. My friend who goes there much more often than
    I have,claims he knows "just the right place" to install it. I hope
    he is right,hitting backwash and rollers at 32 off for a week could 
    tend to discourage oneself. :-) But we are taking many other toys
    and devices of the water sort for those times we are just toooo
    tired to try stopping a boat that's running 36 mph.
    
    I have heard that there are more jet skiers there than boats anymore
    and that scares the he!! out of me,hope they stay far from our course
    and out of OUR channel! :-)
    
    There is no radio,tv,or newspapers,so you are away from the world for
    a week,and that is what I love the most,along side the 100 degree plus
    temps. We will be taking off from Bullfrog bay in a 70 ft double decker
    houseboat with airconditioning,a dishwasher,all the niceties of a 
    mansion. 
    
    Gas is over $2.00/gal,ice is expensive,the waiting line for the gas
    pumps and the ramp is atrocious,but,aside from the usual Marina blues,
    it is an experiance everyone should have in their mental scrap book.
    
    I LOVE LAKE POWELL!!
    
    Matt

    Lake Powell is 186 miles long with 1960 miles of shoreline,more than
    the entire west coast of the USA.

    What state is it in?

    re" .211
    
    Let's just say it's too far for us easterners to drive for an
    after work boat ride.   8^)

    re: .211
    
    	The correct answer is states - Arizona and Utah ...
    
    	And you'd best pay attention if you're fishing, the Utah folks
    	don't honor an Arizona license. They will take your Mastercard,
    	or Visa, to pay your fine - right on the water!

    Utah doesn't honor Arizona fishing lic.... does Arizona honor Utah?
    Is there a double standard here?
    
    What is the penalty in NEW HAMPSHIRE for getting caught fishing with
    a license?

re -.1

<    What is the penalty in NEW HAMPSHIRE for getting caught fishing with
<    a license?

     You can't go on vacation to Lake Powell, you have to stay in NH.

RE: .214
>>    What is the penalty in NEW HAMPSHIRE for getting caught fishing with
>>    a license?                                                      ^^^^

Generally speaking, there's no penalty for fishing with a license.  

Rick

    No penalty for fishing with a license?  Why not?  There is a penalty
    for practically everything else.  No trip to Lake Powell have to stay
    in N.H. oh NOOOOO!
    
    Ok, so what is the penalty for fishing in N.H. WITHOUT a license.
    
    Yes, I have a license.
    
    Jeff

    Matt,
    
    That sounds like the ultimate "ski" vacation....let us know
    how it was!  
                                           
    Jeanne
    

    Wayne & Matt,
    	A belated thank you for the pulls a couple of weeks ago.  I enjoyed
    your site, especially Pikes Peak hanging in the background of 3 ball,
    and the (initially) friendly, confidence-building boat times.
    	Hope you guys enjoy the rest of your season. 
    	I'm off to Indiana and Ohio for three tournaments this weekend
    which will just about wrap up our skiing.  You'd find one of the sites
    very nice.  A wheat farmer in Indiana dug a course-sized pond in his
    field.  It is exactly like the movie "Field of Dreams" except that it's
    a water ski site instead of a baseball diamond.
    	see you later,
    	Jim
    
      

Last year my brother-in-law got caught fishing without a license here in NH.
Cost him $60. Plus they kept his fishing gear 'til he paid the fine.

    Not only is the frost on the pumpkin, up my way in the Milford/
    Brookline, NH area there was ice on the small ponds this morning.
    Some of 'em were almost completely frozen over.  About the earliest 
    I've seen it in a long time.
    
    Won't be much longer now...

re .221

	If it rains and puddles form in the boat cover....  and they 
don't get siphoned out before night fall



	They turn to ice by morning  )-:

	Reg

PS	What the heck, who wants outta here some afternoon this week ?

    I was thinking a run up to the balmy waters of the Merrimack in
    Hooksett may be called for by the end of the week. Suppose to be in the
    mid 50's for air temps, and south of the power plant the water may be
    as warm if not warmer. Not sure when ,or if they pull the course.
    
    Friday is the better of the days, but I'm flexible!
    
    ~jeff

    
    Errrr.... or should that be "Brrrrr..."
    
    Wednesday sounds like the better day this week.... aren't showers
    supposed to be moving in for Thurs and Fri...?
    
    Rick Gee_Can_I_go_too?

    re -1
    
    Temp-wise Wednesday will be the best, highs to mid 50's, low 60's.
    There is also a 30% chance of showers, we'll be wet anyways so no
    biggie there :^), but they also mentioned 20+ mph breezes.
    
    What say the crazies ? Yay or nay ?
    
    The "Atmosphere" has fresh oil in the pan that needs to be broken in!
    
    ~jeff

    
    Last night I heard about the same air temps for Friday and tomorrow
    (Wednesday). Maybe we should shoot for Friday since no rain or snow
    is predicted. 
    
    Have you heard from Reg?
    
    Rick 
    
    I too have noticed ice on the ponds, we may not have a chance to ski
    in December this year!

re last couple,  especially

    
>    Have you heard from Reg?

	Yes, I just saw me in the hall-way - said "Hi"
    
>    Rick 
    
>    I too have noticed ice on the ponds, we may not have a chance to ski
>    in December this year!

	YaButt, the MurkieMack only freezes over about one year in four - 
	due again in 93/94 by my reckoning.  January thaw and my birthday make
	those two months possible, then around March the trash starts floating
	down again, by April some other boats appear - some skiers in May,
	June is back to BOZO time  - -  its really a short winter (-:

	Anyway, tomorrow's staff meeting in cancelled - Hurrah for small Murphys
	I'm in the middle of a move, so don't get to note much - my boat isn't
	yet winterized, though its kinda  "apart"  for a gadget installation.

	Weds or Fri, not thurs - gotta sit down wiv da boss fer a litul chat
	about  "work plans"  and  "deliverables"  and such like )-:

	Reg

    
    Well, by my estimates..... (as error ridden as they *may* be)
    if we were to waterski next Sunday, December 13th, I believe
    the 1991 record of December 12th would offically be surpassed.
    
    I know "CA" hasn't been winterized yet, and I'd speculate that
    at least one other tournament boat in New England remains unpickled!
    
    Any takers? :-)
    
    Rick
    

Hmm, Rick.  I dunno if your boat will recognize me anymore (haven't been much of
a 'gumballer' this year :-( ) but I just might take you up on that.  The social
calendar says I have to be at the in-law's for dinner around 5:00 p.m. on the
13th, but heck, that's *after dark* anyway!  :-)

The Merrimack, I presume?

...Roger...

    
    I looked for you guys out there on Saturday, when I was
    crossing the Hudson/Nashua river area.  What a photo
    that would have been....newly fallen snow covered the
    trees, the trees were reflected onto the river as it
    was a sheet of glass!  Too bad you guys weren't
    out there!  :>)  It was a Kodak momemt!
    
    Jeanne
    
    ps.  would rather have ice right now for skating!

    
    >Jeanne
    >
    >ps.  would rather have ice right now for skating!
    
    	Gee, Jeanne, with statements like that we may have to
    take away the keys to your boat and revoke your network
    access to Vicki!  :-) Would you like to be the official
    photographer on Sunday?
    
    	Of course, speaking of activities other than waterskiing...
    The hardest thing about sn*wskiing is getting the boat up that
    d*mn hill!
    
    Rick
                   

    
    >> Official photographer  
    
    
    No thanks, I'm going ice-skating!  :>)  (or snow-skiing)
    
    Jeanne
    

    
    Err..... Last night the weather bozo said that it might reach 40
    whole degrees on Sunday. Fourty *is* warm enough ain't it Roger?
    
    Rick
    
    This, of course, is also dependant upon how much ice is in the river.

re              <<< Note 938.233 by KAHALA::SUTER "Never too Hot!" >>>
>                                   -< Ice? >-

    
>    Err..... Last night the weather bozo said that it might reach 40
>    whole degrees on Sunday. Fourty *is* warm enough ain't it Roger?
    
>    Rick
    
>    This, of course, is also dependant upon how much ice is in the river.


	I seem to remember some sort of  "Don Wilson Rule"  about
giving up on barefooting when one's age reached the speed required to
foot.  {which could be defered by losing weight and/or growing bigger 
feet ? (-: }


	I,  Errr, Ummmm, wuz kinda wunderin' if it would be prudent to
adopt a similar age/temperature ru.....   but there again, maybe not. 


	R  {seem to be ageing FAST as the temperature drops}

    Sooooooo Mr. Suter ...
    
    Was the N. Chelmsford ramp clear to launch on Sunday?  I was still
    shoveling the 27" of the white stuff off my driveway and front walk on
    Sunday.  :-(
    
    ...Roger...

    
    ERR...Nope the N. Chelmsford ramp wasn't in a useable state, but
    it looks like the Lowell one might be.....
    
    Rick

    What's a midrange price for a skiing drysuit?
    

    They all seem to run around $250-300 depending on style and whether
    it's a barefoot drysuit or a regular drysuit. The B/F suits have a
    little stronger seals, and sometimes they have an extra outer layer
    cuff meant more to deflect water than prevent seapage.
    
    The only choice is whether you want a neoprene type , ala wetsuits
    style, or the newer baggy type (urethane ?). I have a baggy type which 
    I find to be easier to put on over sweat pants/shirts. I have friends 
    who wear ski parkas under their baggy d/suits. One advantage of the 
    neoprene suits is that they have some ability to retain body heat. If I 
    wore just my swim trunks and a baggy dry suit I'd be about as cold as a 
    person without any dry suit. The neoprene, or Nylon II, type seem to
    run about 4mm in the body, 3mm in the arms & legs.
    
    $300 is a lot of cabbage but for me it's worth it. Considering what I
    have tied up in the boat and equipment, $300 is a drop in the bucket,
    and it allows me to extend my ski season to almost 10 months. I haven't
    skied in January of February yet, March is tough too as the water is
    still quite crunchy. :^) I still want to head out just one more time
    this year!! Rick, Reg, Rog, any other sick-o's ? Doug said he's done
    but I bet that would change if you threw him a handle!
    
    ~jeff  
         

    Thanks. I was hoping the skiing drysuits would be cheaper just because
    there are more skiers than kayakers, but the price range is the same.
    Maybe they're even the same suits. Neoprene suits (I have several) are
    too restrictive for kayaking.
    
    John H-C

    John,
    Have you looked at "Steamer" suits? I have a couple I use for skiing,
    and tubing. I also use them on my catamaran which requires a LOT of
    flexability. I have 2 Oneil Heat 4/3 steamers that are great. They
    aren't drysuits, but they are very, very comfortable. They are 4 mm in
    the body, 3 in the arms and legs. They also have rubber pads integrated
    to the knees to prevent wear. I believe N H Hobie/Windsurf had some on 
    sale a couple of weeks ago.
    
    Scott

    Well, the problem with neoprene -- other than flexibility, which
    admittedly could be fixed somewhat by application-specific design -- is
    that ice crystals damage it. The damage doesn't occur if the material
    is stationary (wet wetsuit left in the car overnight in winter) and you
    wait for it to thaw before moving the suit. If you have ice crystals in
    the suit while you're wearing it, the sharp edges of the crystals cut
    into the walls of the cells in the neoprene, making the suit less and
    less useful every time you use it. This is the same reason divers rinse
    off their gear after a saltwater dive; the salt crystals left after the
    suit dries out do the same thing.
    
    So for winter kayaking, which invariably leaves the surface of the
    kayak caked with ice, I think a non-neoprene drysuit is in order. Last
    winter I used multi-layer clothing under foul-weather gear, but in the
    end that seemed almost as restrictive as a wetsuit worn under
    foul-weather gear.
    
    Thanks for the suggestion, though.
    
    John H-C

re	North Chelmsford ramp;

	Its plowed, the water is high and most of it is still liquid.  
The parking lot has a few tyre tracks in the snow  - -  and what look 
to be the sort of marks that a kneeboard would make if it was being 
pulled along behind a< Nah, fergettit, can't be, nobody would be silly
enuf to... 

	R