Conference 7.286::dcu

    Here is an extract of a reply I put in another note...but they are
    not only words of wisdom, they are rules to live by in this file
    (and believe me I hate rules too...but this cannot be avoided).
    
    1. NO exchange of isults here. The purpose of this file is NOT to
       insult, degrade, put-down other people. Notes of that nature
       will be removed. One has already been removed. Noters in this
       file are expected to be civil, polite, civilized,  and
       respectful of other people, and their opinions.  If you find
       that you are not, and cannot be then Please GO somewhere else.
    
    2. NO one has the right to tell/ask/order anyone else to stop 
       noting/reading/griping...etc. This file is OPEN FOR ALL.
                             
     
    Your moderator,
    
    Nisreen Sunnaa

           
    
    There seems to be an on-going problems in this conference that makes
    the moderator's life a little difficult, and since we all would
    like to make the moderator's life a little less difficult (including
    the moderator herself), the following are some guidelines for writing,
    or replying to notes.
    
    1. The title of the notes
    
       When starting a note, please make the title clear, with a 
       specific subject in mind. That would eliminate duplication
       of note, and makes it easier for other noters to find the topic
       they're interested in, just by looking up a directory.
      
        For example: "I hate DCU " is not such a good title.
    
    2. Some notes/replies included multiple topics. I understand
       it is very difficult sometimes to break them apart, but please
       try to limit the topic to one subject at a time. That would make
       it easier to find a place for that topic, rather than having
       multiple subjects in that one note, some of which are already
       covered somewhere else.
    
     3. Replies -
        Sometimes, some replies stray from the topic at hand, introduce
        new topics, or even have nothing to do with the subject or topic
        of previous replies.
    
        Please keep your replies tied in with the subject at hand. 
    
    
    I hope everyone can comply with these guidelines, or I will be forced
    to start changing things around or removing notes from the conference.
    
    Nisreen
    
    
    PS: if someone doesn't agree, or have comments/suggestions/feedback
        around those guidlelines please mail directly to me.
    

    
    It seems that this conference is getting completely out of hand as far
    as the base notes, and the discussions that actually follows. Somehow
    the replies to a base note seem to mushroom into other topics and
    issues that have are not related to the base note.
    
    So, everyone is on notice. Replies that doesn't adhere to the
    guidelines of 1.* (especially 1.1 and 1.3) will be moved, or deleted
    with or without notice to the author.
    
    Nisreen Sunnaa
    Moderator

    As announced in an earlier reply this notesfile has moved. Its new
    home is SMAUG::DCU, network connectivity should be better here because
    there will be no need to restrict the number of logical links. I am also
    the new moderator.
    
    I would like to publicly thank Nisreen for the excellent job she has done
    moderating this conference. I will do my best to maintain that high
    standard. I intend to carry on the philosophy of allowing open debate and
    treating all participants as adults. I will only exercise the
    moderator's power of censorship if I believe a note is in violation of
    Digital's Personnel Policies and Procedures. If I believe a note violates
    Digital's P&P, or another Digital employee asserts that a note violates
    Digital's P&P, I will first hide the note to allow the writer to
    explain why a particular note is not in violation of those policies.
    If I agree with the noter I will unhide the note. If I disagree I will
    consult with others and then decide either to leave the note hidden or
    unhide it. I will not be deleting any notes from this conference without
    first obtaining the author's permission.
    
    Dave

    As moderator of this notesfile I welcome the posting of any statement by
    any candidate or group of candidates that is running for the upcoming
    DCU Board of Directors Election. The only restriction I will impose is
    that any statement must fall within the bounds of Digital's Policies
    and Procedures.
    
    I personally do indeed have a preference as to who I would like to see on
    the DCU BOD. But that does not prevent me from being scrupulously fair and
    impartial in allowing any DEC employee/contractor full access to this
    notesfile to state facts, or air opinions. Indeed I welcome opinions
    that differ from mine. Debate is healthy and encouraged. Let all
    information be spread far and wide.
    
    Dave, DCU notesfile moderator  

    It is a guideline for this conference, as for many others over a long
    time, that objectionable material not be posted.  A valid objection is
    most likely a violation of the PP&P.  It is not sufficient simply to
    disagree with the opinion expressed in a note.

    If somebody has an objection to another's note, the objector should
    take these two steps before doing anything else:
    
	(1) The objector should discuss the note with the author.
    	With reasonable people, this should be sufficient to resolve
    	most problems.
    
    	(2) If (1) does not result in resolution, the objector can take his
	case to a moderator of the conference.  It is my understanding from
	PP&P and John Sims and Ron Glover memos that Digital expects the
	moderators of conferences to do the right thing.
    
    If all else fails, then it might be reasonable to go to Personnel, but
    that is a last resort and certainly not the right place to start.
    
    Tom Eggers, DCU co-moderator

    As moderator I have been asked to post a note anonymously on behalf of
    a DCU member. I have refused the request. I believe strongly that if
    someone has something to say they should put their name to it.
    
    The policy of this notesfile is that I won't post notes anonymously on
    behalf of others and I'll delete all notes that are posted anonymously
    by any other means.
    
    Dave

    I have had several enquiries concerning the use of KEYWORDS in
    this notesfile. Basically revolving around that topics couldn't be
    found using KEYWORDS.
    
    I have now removed all KEYWORDS and deleted all KEYWORDS. The reason I
    did this is because the keywords were out of date and were not being
    kept up to date (I don't have the time to do such a time consuming
    thing).
    
    So now the obvious question.
    
    Q: How do I find things in this notesfile?
    
    A: Use the command
    
    	DIR/TITLE="xxx"
    
    where xxx is a word or part of a word that you are interested in. It
    will list out all base notes with that string somewhere in the title.
    Eg is you are interested in looking for notes on LOANS try:
    
    DIR/TITLE="LOAN" or maybe DIR/TITLE="MORT" (for "MORTGAGE")
    
    If anybody wants to point at some text scanning software that
    intelligently can come up with a list of keywords and cross references
    I'll turn on keywords again and then run this AI program once a
    week. But until then use DIR/TITLE to find things. You'll find it is
    pretty fast.
    
    Dave
    DCU notesfile moderator

    This is to announce that Alfred Thompson has kindly agreed to take over
    moderatorship of this notesfile. The reason I am stepping down as
    moderator is that I am running for a position on the DCU Board of
    Directors. I didn't feel it was right to continue to moderate the forum
    that will no doubt serve as a conduit of information on the upcoming
    election.
    
    Alfred is a member of the nominating committee for the upcoming
    election and I feel that the notesfile will be in good hands.
    Please continue to keep this notesfile a place that is useful and
    informative to the DCU membership.
    
    Dave Garrod

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Subject: Final Electioneering memo                                              1

From:	NAME: Ron Glover                    
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    The following is in furtherance of our discussion on March 7th, 1994.  
    I have attempted to incorporate the suggestions I received from Mr. 
    Garrod and Mr. Gillett, consistent with the objectives I outlined in 
    our discussion.  
    
    This is intended to provide you with a handy summary of the applicable 
    standards of conduct for DCU candidates vis a vis the use of 
    Digital's Computers, Systems and Networks.  As always please feel free 
    to contact my office, or John Murphy is you have any questions.
    
    I would appreciate it if Mr. Thompson would post this in the Conference 
    Monday A.M.  
    
    Any reader/recipient should feel free to post this in any Digital notes 
    conference.
    
    
    1. Personnel Policy 6.54 "Proper use of Digital Computers, Systems and       
    Networks.
    
    	 a. Prohibits defamatory statements and/or behavior which is 
            contrary to the Company's Core Values or Policy.
    
    	 b. Prohibits the use of our systems, networks and computer systems 
            for solicitations of any kind.
    
    	 c. Subjects violators of this policy to Corrective Action and 
            Discipline up to and including the termination of their 
            employment.
    
    2. As is the case with all employees who use Digital's computer
       systems or networks, candidates for the DCU are required to refrain  
       from conduct or commentary that is disrespectful, demeaning, or 
       which is not in accord with the Company's Core Values and Policies.
       In that regard a note created by John Sims last year does an 
       outstanding job of summarizing expected behavior.  I quote:
    
       	 " First, and most critically; the notes files are Company 
         facilities subject to normal workplace rules of conduct. As such, 
         the same rules that govern conduct and comment in any other 
         Digital workplace apply with equal weight in these conferences.  
         Stated simply, if you wouldn't say it in a Digital business 
         meeting, you shouldn't say it in notes.  PERIOD.
    
       	 Statements that attribute improper, illegal or immoral motives or 
         actions to others, statements that cast aspersions on the 
         character of integrity of others or that amount to libel or 
         slander are not permitted.  PERIOD.  In this regard, it does not 
         matter whether the individuals subject to the comment are elected 
         public officials or directors of companies or organizations 
         disfavored by the author.  There is no "Public Figure" exception 
         in notes.
    
       	 Comments of a sexual nature, are not acceptable whether they are 
         about the author of the comment or directed at others.  Similarly, 
         comments that degrade, devalue or discriminate against others are 
         also prohibited.
    
       	 Finally, employees should remember that it is never appropriate to 
         spend working time in notes.  Activities in notes should be 
         limited to personal or assigned break times.
    
       	 Employee interest notes files and conferences were created to 
         provide an electronic forum to share ideas and opinions about 
         matters of common interest.  In supporting these conferences, the 
         Company understood that there would be occasions where employees 
         would disagree on issues, but we believed and continue to believe 
         it is possible to disagree without being disagreeable.  Personnel 
         Policy 6.54, Proper Use of Digital Computers, Systems and Networks 
         provides further information about appropriate conduct and comment 
         in these conferences.  Employees who fail to meet these 
         expectations, or who use the notesfiles in ways that are contrary 
         to the letter and spirit of that policy are subject to Corrective 
         Action and Discipline up to and including the termination of their 
         employment."  
         								  
         								  
       	 
    3. Candidates for the DCU Board must refrain from using Digital's
       Computers, Systems, of Networks to solicit support for their
       candidacy.  For the purpose of this election candidates may express 
       their views/state their opinion about DCU business matters 
       consistent with standards for disclosure established by the DCU 
       board (i.e. DCU policies, DCU board minutes, decisions, board memos 
       or other information published by DCU) within the DCU notes 
       conference.  Comments about the DCU by Board candidates must be 
       restricted to the DCU notes conference.  Candidates may not campaign 
       for election by soliciting others to vote for them, nor may they 
       directly or indirectly seek support for their campaign or candidacy 
       through the notes files.  Stated simply candidates use of the notes 
       files are limited to sharing information, not seeking support for 
       their election.  Similarly, any activity or comment by a candidate 
       which can be interpreted to be an effort to gain advantage by 
       denigrating or defaming another candidate will also be considered a 
       violation of policy.   
       									  
       									   
    
       Finally, candidates are reminded that they cannot use Digital's 
       Electronic Mail systems for solicitation of any kind, and that use 
       of Notesfiles is limited to non-working time.
    
    I would refer you to:
    
       - Personnel Policy 6.54
       - The Text of John Sims Message on the proper use of Notesfiles and
       - Digital's Core Values 
    for further guidance on appropriate behavior.
    
    While these rules are of particular interest and application to 
    candidates, they are broadly applicable to all employees who use 
    Digital's computers, systems and networks. 

    I'd like to make a gentle reminder that posting of mail messages
    without the explicit permission of the author is a violation of
    company policy. There are allowances in policy for announcements
    of various kinds but in general one to one messages require permission.
    If you have permission to post a mail message please state so in
    clear terms. Mail messages posted without clear permission will be
    returned.

    In my opinion this includes mail via the Internet from past,
    present, and future employees. In short anyone. Note that recent
    mail from Paul Kinzelman has included his permission to forward
    or to post in Notes. I consider that an example of what is allowed 
    under policy.

    			Alfred

    It appears that this conference will probably need a new moderator
    or two fairly soon. Nothing to do with DCU but I have been told that
    I am "at risk." My understanding is that this means that the plan is
    for me to be TFSO'd unless I get a new job or some other wonderful
    thing happens.

    If interested in moderating this conference please contact me offline.
    Mail or phone is fine. My intention is to find someone with experience
    in dealing with controversial conferences and who is comfortable
    dealing with conflict that involves (at times) high level management.

    If I do leave they would take over. If I don't, they would be
    additional eyes on the conference.
    
    			Alfred
    
    PS: Anyone know anyone who is hiring?

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     25-May-1994 03:41pm EDT
                                        From:     JOSE RAMIREZ_ER
                                                  RAMIREZ.JOSE
                                        Dept:     CORPORATE EMPLOYEE RELATIONS
                                        Tel No:   223-9584

TO: See Below
 
Subject: Solicitation                                                           

Recent messages have come to our attention that Notes users are violating 
Personnel Policy 6.54 Proper Use of Computers, Systems and Networks as it 
relates to solicitation.

I wish to take this opportunity to remind you that "conferences created to 
communicate matters of opinion and common interest may not be used for 
solicitations of any kind, and must be open to all employees."

As in the past, conference moderators are responsible to remove any material 
that violates this policy and report such violations to the relevant systems or 
cost center managers.

Please feel free to communicate this message as you deem appropriate.

Regards,
Jose Ramirez


Distribution:
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Due to the TFSO of Alfred Thompson, the DCU conference has two new moderators:

Bob ROWLET::AINSLEY and Bill WLDBIL::KILGORE.

We would like to thank Alfred for his excellent job of moderating this
conference through some very tough times and wish him the best in whatever he
may do.

Conference Policy:

We do not see a need for any changes in conference policy.  We wish to
encourage open discussion of any and all DCU issues.  Just a reminder that
personal attacks are in violation of Digital P&P and will not be tolerated.

If there is any question whether we are acting as moderators or regular noters
when we note, all notes where we are wearing our moderator hat will be signed

<moderator name> - Co-moderator DCU

Thanks

    
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To:	RECV::KILGORE
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Subj:	DIGITAL CREDIT UNION ELECTION                                          1

From:	NAME: Ron Glover                    
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To:	diane pitochelli @ogo,
	lisa demauro ross @jgo,
	bill kilgore @zko,
	paul milbury @mso,
	lois haskins @mso


    As you know, the Digital Credit Union (DCU) election is currently in 
    progress.  My office has received numerous inquiries regarding the 
    appropriate use of Digital systems and note conferences during DCU 
    elections.  Also, in prior DCU elections, we have had a large number of 
    complaints about the use of Digital's network for communications 
    concerning the DCU.
    
    Digital has existing Personnel Policies and Procedures that address the 
    proper use of Digital's network and notes conferences  and these are 
    supplemented by the standards I issued on March 7, 1994 that pertain to 
    DCU elections.  Digital has reviewed these policies and they remain as 
    stated for this election.
    
    The DCU has its own Election Campaign Rules.  Digital Equipment has 
    been made aware of these rules and in particular, the rule that 
    prohibits campaigning during the "quiet period", twenty-one days prior 
    to the completion of balloting.  In an effort to avoid claims that 
    Digital Equipment Corporation assets are being used in violation of the 
    DCU election rules and potentially causing harm to the DCU, Digital 
    will also prohibit campaigning during the twenty-one day "quiet 
    period."
    
    Therefore, from August 25, 1994 through September 15, 1994, DCU 
    candidates and their supporters may not campaign in any fashion at a 
    Digital facility or on Digital systems, networks, note files, or 
    conferences.  We define "campaigning" as any activity by candidates or 
    their supporters within a public medium during an election, intended to 
    support one or more candidates.
    
    We request that the DCU Notes File Moderator post this memo in the DCU 
    Notes File.  We will also post it in LIVEWIRE and elsewhere to ensure 
    broad visibility and awareness of this important notice.
    
    If there are any specific questions about particular communications or 
    concerning this memo, please feel free to contact my office.
    
    Regards.
    
    Ron Glover
    
    /ah
    

    
    campaign : a connected series of operations designed to bring about a
    particular result
                         Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary
    
    ----------
                        
    
    After extensive conversation with Corporate Employee Relations, and
    keeping in mind their own salary continuation plans, your humble
    modetors will, during the period 25-Aug-1994 to 15-Sep-1994,
    immediately hide any note or reply that refers directly or indirectly
    to any candidate or group of candidates in the DCU election. The authors
    of hidden notes will of course be free to protest this action to your
    humble moderators, at which time Corporate ER will be consulted for a
    final ruling.
    
    Your humble moderators suggest that interested noters should get all
    the "facts" out in the open within the next 12 days.
    
    Soliciting is still a no-no.
    
    
    Bill -- co-moderator DCU
    

    Today, I was contacted by Corporate Employee Relations and Legal
    concerning the posting of the text of the various candidate's election
    material.  There were two concerns:  1) The 'vote for me' solicitations
    at the end of the material, 2)  The commentary accompanying the posting
    that was in violation of the 'no disparaging or defaming' P&P.
    
    It was agreed that it was important that DCU members be able to get as
    much 'information' as possible concerning the candidates and issues,
    but that publishing the candidates literature containing solicitations
    verbatim, eventhough the intent was discussion, not solicitation, was a
    violation of the rules.
    
    Rather than disallow the important information contained in these
    statements, it was agreed that I (or Bill Kilgore if he was here),
    would remove the notes from the conference, edit out the solicitation
    parts, pass them by legal, and repost them in the conference.
    
    As I personally feel that more information is good, I will do the least
    amount of editing to pass legal.
    
    Bob - Co-moderator DCU
    

    
    Midnight tonight marks the end of the quiet period for the 1994 BoD
    election. The restrictions described in 1.15 and 1.16 will cease to exist
    at that time; please feel free to resume discussions, keeping in mind
    previously established rules ragarding the use of DEC resources.
    
    Your humble moderators thank all noters for their commendable restraint
    during this period.
    
    
    Bill -- co-moderator DCU
    

I'm a bit late in announcing this, but due to an increasing workload, Bill
is unable to continue as moderator.

We need one and preferably two more moderators.

If you would like to know what a moderator's duties include and/or want to
volunteer, please send me mail or call me at DTN 483-4489 / (214) 702-4489.

Thanks,

Bob

    Well, I guess no one announced this:
    
    Jack Delbalso has graciously agreed to co-moderate this conference.
    
    Bob

Once again, we are in need of one or, preferably, two more moderators.

If you would like to know what a moderator's duties include and/or want to
volunteer, please send mail or call either

	Bob ROWLET::Ainsley at DTN 483-4489 / (214) 702-4489
or	Jack MOLAR::DelBalso at DTN 381-2324 / (603) 881-2324

Thanks,

-Jack
    Co-mod

    I'd like to welcome two new conference moderators, Mark STAR::Buda and
    Chuck CPEEDY::Bradley.
    
    Bob

    Well, it's time for me to move on.  My last day at Digital will be
    Friday, September 6.

    It has been an honor to participate in the resurrection of DCU and to
    moderate this conference.

    Please, let's help the BoD and DCU management keep DCU moving in the
    current member-centric direction and be ever vigilent so that the
    efforts of the 3Gs, Paul Kinzleman, and others, have NOT been in vain!

    I can be reached at:

	[email protected]

    Bob
    

    With the departure of Bob Ainsley, we are down to 2 moderators of the
    DCU notes conference.
    
    It would be useful for there to be one or two more.  If you are
    interested, please send mail to the moderators.
    
    	Thanks,
    	- mark