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| 1101.1 | | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Wed Jun 15 1994 13:08 | 6 |
| I as in Weird.
Your L as in Calm is bogus. The word isn't pronounced "kahm" except in
certain regional dialects, notably that of New England.
-dick
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| 1101.2 | | GAVEL::PCLX31::satow | gavel::satow, dtn 223-2584 | Wed Jun 15 1994 13:43 | 12 |
| > I as in Weird.
or receive
And speaking of New England regional dialects, how about
R as in Harvard Yard
And one more, how about Y as in
Clay
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| 1101.3 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Wed Jun 15 1994 14:52 | 2 |
| The /k�m/ pronunciation of calm is common enough that it's the only one
listed in my DEC-std AHD.
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| 1101.4 | Perhaps the "kaLm" pronunciation may be regional | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Wed Jun 15 1994 15:28 | 4 |
| >Your L as in Calm is bogus. The word isn't pronounced "kahm" except in
>certain regional dialects, notably that of New England.
The Pocket Oxford I have also uses the "kahm" pronunciation.
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| 1101.5 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Wed Jun 15 1994 15:30 | 5 |
| As far as vowels are concerned -- I'm trying to find examples where
losing the silent vowel doesn't change the pronunciation -- for
example, "aisle," "sleight," and "phoenix."
andrew
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| 1101.6 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | collision of aberrant stars | Thu Jun 16 1994 06:46 | 9 |
|
I am wichoo, Richard. I'm from New England, and I pronounce
the "l" (slightly) in "calm". I was going to point it out
too, until I looked in my dictionary.
Seems to me that something like "talk" is perhaps a better
entry.
- diane
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| 1101.7 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | collision of aberrant stars | Thu Jun 16 1994 06:51 | 10 |
|
>> As far as vowels are concerned -- I'm trying to find examples where
>> losing the silent vowel doesn't change the pronunciation -- for
>> example, "aisle," "sleight," and "phoenix."
how about "maize" for "I" then?
-diane
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| 1101.8 | My elitism is probably showing... | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Thu Jun 16 1994 07:47 | 7 |
| W9NCD gives k�(l)m for calm, also citing k�m for New England, where �
represents an a with a single dot over it. My perception of k�m as
being regional results from my education (or lack thereof) and numerous
localities of domicile, which together have stamped my speech with a
neutral accent that claims no one place of origin. My parents were
careful to break me of regional frailties in my speech, and the lessons
stuck.
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| 1101.9 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Thu Jun 16 1994 08:04 | 3 |
| L as is Talk is superior; there's no doubt the "l" is silent, there.
I as in Maize is perfect -- thanks!
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| 1101.10 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | collision of aberrant stars | Thu Jun 16 1994 09:22 | 15 |
|
>> S as in Chablis
>> T as in Valet
>> X as in Faux
>> Z as in Chez
If you are considering words of French origin such as these valid
for this exercise, I would assume that "sommelier" would then
be valid for "R".
As an aside, "often" is another good one for "T", methinks.
-diane
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| 1101.11 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | collision of aberrant stars | Thu Jun 16 1994 09:49 | 6 |
|
er, or "hasten" is maybe even better.
;> (don't mind me - this is fun)
-diane
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| 1101.12 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Thu Jun 16 1994 09:50 | 16 |
| > >> S as in Chablis
> >> T as in Valet
> >> X as in Faux
> >> Z as in Chez
>
> If you are considering words of French origin such as these valid
> for this exercise, I would assume that "sommelier" would then
> be valid for "R".
I tried to choose words that are fairly familiar in the US,
despite their being of French origin.
> As an aside, "often" is another good one for "T", methinks.
I like it -- you're good at this!
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| 1101.13 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | collision of aberrant stars | Thu Jun 16 1994 09:57 | 5 |
|
The problem with "Chablis" is that it's a region, and unless
I'm mistaken, it's always capitalized. Unless you don't
care about that. Otherwise, you could use "chamois", for instance.
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| 1101.14 | Les Parigots! | PASTIS::MONAHAN | humanity is a trojan horse | Thu Jun 16 1994 10:36 | 8 |
| If you are using French words (or even English words) you need to
be a little careful about the dialect. I would certainly pronounce the
"t" in "hasten" or "often", and the local French dialect pronounces
most of the final letters of words that the Parisians miss off. I
haven't heard a local pronounce "chamois", though I might have done -
the local hunters get them, so they would be more likely to say the
word than a Parisian. I will listen carefully. The final "s" in the
local place name "Vallauris" is certainly pronounced.
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| 1101.15 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Thu Jun 16 1994 12:34 | 3 |
| I have never heard the "t" in "hasten" ever pronounced.
andrew
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| 1101.16 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Thu Jun 16 1994 13:20 | 1 |
| Then you should hasten to call M. Monahan. His DTN is 828-5120.
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| 1101.17 | b as in bdellium | NYOSS1::KABEL | doryphore | Thu Jun 16 1994 15:31 | 1 |
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| 1101.18 | | JRDV04::DIAMOND | $ SET MIDNIGHT | Thu Jun 16 1994 19:30 | 6 |
| D as in Leaped
F as in Of
J as in San Jose
Q as in Acquire
U as in Colour
Y as in Knotty
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| 1101.19 | OLD JOKE ALERT | WELSWS::HILLN | It's OK, it'll be dark by nightfall | Fri Jun 17 1994 02:20 | 2 |
|
I thought it was P as in Bath
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| 1101.20 | Another old joke | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Fri Jun 17 1994 09:20 | 2 |
|
And, for the Russians among us, B as in Viktor.
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| 1101.21 | | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Fri Jun 17 1994 09:21 | 2 |
| Re the t in often... Mr Monahan must miss the humour of the dialogue
between the Pirate King and Major General Stanley.
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| 1101.22 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Fri Jun 17 1994 09:36 | 1 |
| T as in Listen
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| 1101.23 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Fri Jun 17 1994 09:37 | 3 |
| I wonder: should abbreviations count? If yes, then:
R as in Mrs.
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| 1101.24 | | ROCK::HUBER | File and Forget | Fri Jun 17 1994 09:53 | 36 |
|
Updating .0 with suggestions to date:
A as in Aisle N as in Column
B as in Doubt O as in Phoenix
C as in Scene P as in Pneumatic
D as in Adjourn Q
E as in Sleight R
F S as in Chamois
G as in Reign T as in Valet, Hasten
H as in Ghoul U as in Tongue
I as in Maize V
J W as in Wright
K as in Knight X as in Faux
L as in Talk Y as in Clay
M as in Mnemonic Z as in Chez
Though I'd substitute wringer for the more proper Wright.
Re .18
> D as in Leaped
> F as in Of
> J as in San Jose
> Q as in Acquire
> U as in Colour
> Y as in Knotty
Other than the u in colour, wouldn't these all better qualify as
odd letter pronunciations, rather than silent? And in the case of
"q", it's not even that odd.
The best "j" I can think of is a Proper noun - Jung (the psychologist),
but even that "j" isn't quite silent.
Joe
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| 1101.25 | | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Fri Jun 17 1994 10:11 | 2 |
| Using wright is perfectly acceptable. A wright is someone who makes
something - a wheelwright, a shipwright...
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| 1101.26 | ...well, if you're going to allow words borrowed from other languages... | 19715::PARODI | John H. Parodi DTN 381-1640 | Fri Jun 17 1994 10:44 | 10 |
|
You might want to talk to a speaker of Dutch in your search for a
silent "j." Dutch has an "ij" construction that is pronounced like an
English "long i".
I think "rijstaffel" might be such a word but I'm not sure of the
spelling. It means "rice table" and refers to a wonderful collection
of small dishes that make up a very large meal (urp).
JP
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| 1101.27 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Fri Jun 17 1994 11:02 | 4 |
| Rijstaffel (sp?) might work -- I enjoyed a rijstaffel many years
ago in Aruba (once a Dutch colony).
andrew
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| 1101.28 | | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Fri Jun 17 1994 13:32 | 1 |
| Dutch rijstaffel, not to be confused with Deutsch Reichstaffel...
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| 1101.29 | | HLDE01::63697::RIK | Mostly Harmless | Mon Jun 20 1994 01:41 | 12 |
| Ehm, it's _rijsttafel_ from rijst (rice) and tafel (table). Very palatable
indeed, if you don't object to the massive amounts of sambal (chili paste) in
most of the components.
But I doubt if one would call the "j" in the "ij" contraction silent. It's a
kind of ligature, creating a new vowel which comes (in our alphabet) between
"x" and "z". And the long-i isn't the right pronunciation. It's more like the
"ey" sound as in "whey" (cheese by-product), trimming the leading "e" a little.
If we allow "V" as in "Viktor", then how about "J" as in "Rioja"?
- Rik -
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| 1101.30 | | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Mon Jun 20 1994 07:02 | 12 |
| Rik, my "B as in Viktor" was really an inside joke based on the fact
that the Cyrillic letter that is pronounced as V in Russian looks
exactly like a Latin B.
An old friend of mine, a Pole named Anatol Turecki, who had flown for
the RAF in WWII, also spoke Russian fluently. In the '70s we worked
together ata computer company in Florida. When we were debugging
wire-wrapped logic boards, Tol would sometimes call out a pin as, for
example, 3V11 when the chip in question was really 3B. We all had a
good time with the joke, speaking the words as "B as in Biktor."
-dick
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| 1101.31 | A glass of Bodka, tovarich? | HLDE01::63697::RIK | Mostly Harmless | Mon Jun 20 1994 08:24 | 7 |
| Ah, I thought the "Russian V" was based on its pronunciation, more like our "W"
with a hint of "B" in it...
But how about (the other way around in this case) "J" as in "Some roman word
which obviously has no 'J', but does have a 'J' sound"? Dick?
- Rik -
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| 1101.32 | Too easy in English | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Mon Jun 20 1994 08:28 | 4 |
| >But how about (the other way around in this case) "J" as in "Some roman word
>which obviously has no 'J', but does have a 'J' sound"? Dick?
Any word that uses a soft "g" -- Edge, fudge, germane, gemstone...
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| 1101.33 | 'scuse me, meant Latin | HLDE01::63697::RIK | Mostly Harmless | Mon Jun 20 1994 09:04 | 0 |
| 1101.34 | 1 more down | WELSWS::HILLN | It's OK, it'll be dark by nightfall | Mon Jun 20 1994 09:05 | 3 |
| J as in junker
A young German noble or squire
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| 1101.35 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Mon Jun 20 1994 10:02 | 8 |
| >J as in junker
"Junker" is pronounced "yoonker" (sorta) -- while the "J"
sound isn't the traditional "dg," as in "jam," it's definitely
pronounced aloud.
If you're looking to create a string like "F as in tough" then
please create a new string -- don't muck this one up.
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| 1101.36 | | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Mon Jun 20 1994 12:16 | 12 |
| Actually, the English J sound isn't a J sound in very many languages.
To achieve it in Spanish, as in the name Joe, for example, you must
precede it with a D. Thus, the correct Spanish spelling of the name we
pronounce as Joe is actually Djo. In French, the letter J is given the
sound zh, and in German it has the sound we give to Y.
Classical Latin did not have a J sound like the one we know. The name
Julius, which we think of as having a J sound, was spelled IVLIVS and
was actually pronounced as `y�l�ee�us. I could function either as a
vowel or as a consonant; there's one of each in this name.
-dick
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| 1101.37 | 'F' as in RTFM :^) | CTHQ::MOHN | blank space intentionally filled | Mon Jun 20 1994 13:05 | 1 |
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| 1101.38 | | I::TRMPT::STOCKS | Ian Stocks | Mon Jun 20 1994 16:36 | 3 |
| 'r' as in Worcester
I
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| 1101.39 | Wimbledon offering: tribute to Vijay Amritraj | FORTY2::KNOWLES | Road-kill on the Info Superhighway | Tue Jun 21 1994 06:53 | 5 |
| If you're allowing foreign words, I'd suggest stretching a point
for V and J as in eight [viij]. I first thought of `six' but
that way madness lay [because of the i and the x].
b
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| 1101.40 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Tue Jun 21 1994 08:25 | 8 |
| No, I'd prefer not including foreign words. The words I've listed have
been fully absorbed into English.
This absorption is one of the glories of the English language: very
often, it simply takes the word from the foreign language, rather than
coining a new one. A recent example: karaoke.
andrew
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| 1101.41 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | collision of aberrant stars | Tue Jun 21 1994 10:23 | 11 |
|
>> No, I'd prefer not including foreign words. The words I've listed have
>> been fully absorbed into English.
How are you defining "fully absorbed"? If, by that, you mean
that they're listed in English language dictionaries, then
"sommelier" would do for "R". Or does the entire population,
including those who don't drink wine, have to know what it
means, on top of that? ;>
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| 1101.42 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Tue Jun 21 1994 11:50 | 16 |
| > How are you defining "fully absorbed"? If, by that, you mean
> that they're listed in English language dictionaries, then
> "sommelier" would do for "R". Or does the entire population,
> including those who don't drink wine, have to know what it
> means, on top of that? ;>
More like the latter. I've seen "faux" in K-Mart ads, and most
Americans would recognize "chez," especially when associated with
a restaurant. I doubt "sommelier" would be recognized by most
Americans. (Of course, many of those same Americans might have
trouble with "mnemonic" or "wright."
Yes, I'm being a bit arbitrary, but I'm trying to find words that are
as common as possible.
andrew
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| 1101.43 | | JRDV04::DIAMOND | $ SET MIDNIGHT | Tue Jun 21 1994 18:45 | 18 |
| #ifdef RATHOLE
.40>This absorption is one of the glories of the English language: very
.40>often, it simply takes the word from the foreign language, rather than
.40>coining a new one. A recent example: karaoke.
That's less than half of a recent example. One of the glories of the
Japanese language is that very often, it simply takes the word from the
foreign language, rather than coining a new one, though often it
truncates the word that it's taking. Example: the "oke" part of
"karaoke", a truncation of the English word that sounds like okestra.
So English copied it back, and copied "kara" (empty) along with it.
#else
Semantics error detected, core dumped.
#endif
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| 1101.44 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Wed Jun 22 1994 08:06 | 5 |
| Interesting! I didn't know that.
Of course, karaoke means more than "empty orchestra."
andrew
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| 1101.45 | | JRDV04::DIAMOND | $ SET MIDNIGHT | Wed Jun 22 1994 21:40 | 13 |
| >Of course, karaoke means more than "empty orchestra."
Not really, at least not in Japanese. It is an orchestra with
no singer. In order to fill it up, a singer has to accompany it.
Of course it is assumed that the orchestra is recorded and the
singer is live, rather than the other way around :-)
Some postings in soc.culture.japan a few years ago gave me the
impression that karaoke has been abused or polluted in the U.S.,
so maybe the English word will transide to a meaning that does
not exist in the original Japlish phrase :-)
-- Norman Diamond
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| 1101.46 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Thu Jun 23 1994 07:09 | 6 |
| Orchestras don't have singers. Besides, empty orchestra doesn't
convey the complete action: that is, where a singer supplies the
vocal track for the piece.
The connotation may convey the complete meaning, but the words,
by themselves, don't.
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| 1101.47 | | JRDV04::DIAMOND | $ SET MIDNIGHT | Thu Jun 23 1994 19:09 | 9 |
| >Orchestras don't have singers.
And hands don't have swords. An empty hand (karate) is one that
does not have a sword or other weapon. I guess the word "kara"
is not quite identical to the word "empty", and the approximate
translation is rather normal as approximate equivalences go
among different languages.
-- Norman Diamond
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| 1101.48 | One hand clapping and all that. | CUPMK::WAJENBERG | | Fri Jun 24 1994 07:13 | 6 |
| Re .46 & .47:
It strikes me as very oriental to attach significance to the concept
"empty" in places where a westerner would not.
Earl Wajenberg
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| 1101.49 | | JRDV04::DIAMOND | $ SET MIDNIGHT | Sun Jun 26 1994 19:31 | 3 |
| Re. "empty" places:
The old USSR and the USA spent billions competing to get there.
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| 1101.50 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | collision of aberrant stars | Mon Jun 27 1994 07:40 | 8 |
|
Andrew, in thinking about the "l" again, I was wondering if
"talk" is really valid. The "l" changes the vowel sound, so
do you consider that not being "pronounced"? If it's supposed
to have no effect on the sound, then "halve" is better.
- diane
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| 1101.51 | | PASTIS::MONAHAN | humanity is a trojan horse | Mon Jun 27 1994 09:33 | 4 |
| In every example that I can think of where "al" has the "l" not
pronounced ("almond" would be another example) it lengthens the "a".
That includes "talk" and "halve", but maybe this is a matter of
dialect. I certainly don't pronounce "halve" and "have" the same way.
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| 1101.52 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Mon Jun 27 1994 09:34 | 17 |
| Updated list:
A as in Aisle N as in Column
B as in Doubt O as in Phoenix
C as in Scene P as in Pneumatic
D as in Adjourn Q
E as in Sleight R
F S as in Chamois
G as in Reign T as in Listen
H as in Ghoul U as in Tongue
I as in Maize V
J W as in Wright
K as in Knight X as in Faux
L as in Halve Y
M as in Mnemonic Z as in Chez
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| 1101.53 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | collision of aberrant stars | Mon Jun 27 1994 10:24 | 7 |
|
>> I certainly don't pronounce "halve" and "have" the same way.
If you look at an English language dictionary, I believe
you'll see that they're pronounced the same way. If Andrew
can't go by that, he'll never be able to compile a list.
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| 1101.54 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Mon Jun 27 1994 10:51 | 10 |
| If we go by the dictinoary, then "Calm" is perfectly acceptable.
I suspect that for the gaps, there are no common (or even uncommon)
English words with appropriate silent letters. Suggestions like
"Clay" and "riijstaffel" (sp) don't work -- for me -- because they
are diphthongs.
Nevertheless, I'm still accepting candidates.
andrew
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| 1101.55 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | collision of aberrant stars | Mon Jun 27 1994 10:56 | 7 |
|
>> If we go by the dictinoary, then "Calm" is perfectly acceptable.
yes, except that it wouldn't be pronounced the same way
without the "l". you haven't answered as to whether or not
that matters, but i assume it does since you changed the list
to include "halve".
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| 1101.56 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Mon Jun 27 1994 11:17 | 8 |
| No, I'm not trying to only choose words whose pronunciation wouldn't
change with the elimination of the silent letter; when I can find words
like that, it's an added bonus. "Calm" or "Palm" would work for me.
(BTW: in my neck of the woods, "Have" and "Halve" are pronounced
differently).
andrew
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| 1101.57 | calm, halve, talk, could - there's a million of 'em | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | collision of aberrant stars | Mon Jun 27 1994 12:00 | 4 |
|
okay, as you said before, you're being a bit arbitrary, so
i'll give up now. 8^) whatever.
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| 1101.58 | Corny... | AIMHI::TINIUS | It's always something. | Mon Jun 27 1994 13:02 | 4 |
|
L as in colonel
-stephen
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| 1101.59 | not a good list from the archives | NYOSS1::KABEL | doryphore | Mon Jun 27 1994 14:49 | 77 |
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==> language/english/pronunciation/silent.letter.p <==
For each letter, what word contains that letter silent?
==> language/english/pronunciation/silent.letter.s <==
aisle
comb
indict
handsome
twitched
halfpenny
gnome
myrrh
business
marijuana
knock
talk
mnemonic
autumn
people
psyche
cinqcents
forecastle
viscount
hautboy
plaque
fivepence
write
tableaux
prayer
rendezvous
****
Unless noted otherwise, all words occur in Webster's Third New International
Dictionary, Merriam-Webster, Springfield, MA, 1961.
==> language/english/pronunciation/silent.most.p <==
What word has the most silent letters in a row?
==> language/english/pronunciation/silent.most.s <==
BROUGHAM (4, UGHA)
for each letter AISLE, COMB, INDICT,
HANDSOME, TWITCHED, HALFPENNY, GNOME, MYRRH, BUSINESS, MARIJUANA, KNOCK,
TALK, MNEMONIC, AUTUMN, PEOPLE, PSYCHE, CINQCENTS, FORECASTLE, VISCOUNT,
HAUTBOY, PLAQUE, FIVEPENCE, WRITE, TABLEAUX, PRAYER, RENDEZVOUS
homophones, for each letter O(A)R, LAM(B), S(C)ENT,
LE(D)GER, DO(E), WAF(F), REI(G)N, (H)OUR, WA(I)VE, HAJ(J)I, (K)NOT, HA(L)VE,
PRIM(M)ER, DAM(N), J(O)UST, (P)SALTER, ?, CAR(R)IES, (S)CENT, TARO(T),
B(U)Y, ?, T(W)O, ?, RE(Y), BIZ(Z)
****
Unless noted otherwise, all words occur in Webster's Third New International
Dictionary, Merriam-Webster, Springfield, MA, 1961.
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| 1101.60 | | CSC32::D_DERAMO | Dan D'Eramo, Customer Support Center | Mon Jun 27 1994 15:26 | 3 |
| f as in fnord (see 396.1429)
Dan
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| 1101.61 | | PASTIS::MONAHAN | humanity is a trojan horse | Tue Jun 28 1994 00:53 | 1 |
| Halve and have are given different pronunciations in my dictionary.
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| 1101.62 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | collision of aberrant stars | Tue Jun 28 1994 07:11 | 6 |
|
>> Halve and have are given different pronunciations in my dictionary.
American Heritage lists two ways of pronouncing "halve", the
preferred being the same as that of "have".
Neither of them includes the "l".
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| 1101.63 | | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Tue Jun 28 1994 08:01 | 1 |
| Y as in pay or play or pray or say or tray...
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| 1101.64 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Tue Jun 28 1994 08:36 | 6 |
| To me, AY seems nothing more than a variant of AI -- for vowels
I'd like to find a homophone like (A)ISLE -- unfortunately, in
the earlier list pulled in from the 'Net, the example used RE(Y).
I've never heard of REY, despite its purported listing in the
dictionary.
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| 1101.65 | | PASTIS::MONAHAN | humanity is a trojan horse | Tue Jun 28 1994 08:53 | 5 |
| re: .62
I was using an English dictionary. It only listed one phonetic
transcription each for "have" and "halve", and they were different. I
have been trying to imagine the two words pronounced with a Boston
accent.
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| 1101.66 | J ????? | WELSWS::HILLN | It's OK, it'll be dark by nightfall | Wed Jun 29 1994 02:58 | 1 |
| Marjoribanks is pronounced Marshbanks, so does this deal with 'j'?
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| 1101.67 | Plugging another gap | LINGO::PETERS | | Wed Jun 29 1994 04:30 | 4 |
| R as in Worcester (English pronunciation is "Wooster")
^
Steve
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| 1101.68 | | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Wed Jun 29 1994 06:22 | 2 |
| That's a double-barrelled one, Steve. The actual pronunciation of that
name is closer to Woosteh, so the R is silent twice.
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| 1101.69 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Wed Jun 29 1994 07:27 | 2 |
| If possible, I'd like to avoid proper nouns -- the spelling rules
are often different for names...
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| 1101.70 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Wed Jun 29 1994 07:28 | 1 |
| However: R as is Worsted works! Thanks for the Worcester clue!
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| 1101.71 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Wed Jun 29 1994 08:38 | 2 |
| My DEC-issued dictionary has two pronunciations for worsted. The second
has /r/ in it.
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| 1101.72 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Wed Jun 29 1994 09:17 | 4 |
| I've heard it pronounced both ways myself. However, at this point,
I may have to be a tad more flexible, or I'll never fill in the few
remaining blanks.
andrew
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| 1101.73 | | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Wed Jun 29 1994 15:23 | 4 |
| AHD lists woos'tid as the first pronunciation for worsted, thus giving
it their nod as being preferred. Go for it, Andrew.
-dick
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| 1101.74 | How many syllables in `mayoralty'? | FORTY2::KNOWLES | Road-kill on the Info Superhighway | Thu Jun 30 1994 06:34 | 12 |
| I've always thought - well, for as long as I've known the word
`worsted' meaning a kind of cloth - that there were two pronunciations:
woostid (the cloth) and werstid (got the better of). I've never heard
either pronunciation in the other sense; sheltered life over here, I
guess.
If you don't like Y in -ay words, Andrew, what about `mayor' - this was
sparked off by the Internet list posted a while back: I didn't like
`prayer' (although I know of music that requires it to be _sung_ as
pray_er_) but it got me thinking.
b
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| 1101.75 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Thu Jun 30 1994 07:50 | 2 |
| I'm not comfortable with prayer (or mayor, either) -- there *is*
a consonantal "y" sound in both words...
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| 1101.76 | y as in key? | MEMIT::RICH | | Thu Jun 30 1994 08:25 | 1 |
| If cla(y) doesn't work what about ke(y)? - same problem?
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| 1101.77 | | OKFINE::KENAH | Every old sock meets an old shoe... | Thu Jun 30 1994 08:55 | 12 |
| Most <vowel>Y combinations could have <vowel>I substituted,
and I'd rather avoid these combinations if possible.
I've tried to avoid "obvious" silent letters, like this:
E as in Sate
While the E *is* silent, its presence changes the A sound.
This effect is more common with vowels, so I try to be more
discriminating with the vowels and semi-vowels.
andrew
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| 1101.78 | | JRDV04::DIAMOND | $ SET MIDNIGHT | Thu Jun 30 1994 17:56 | 6 |
| Is "payed" a valid alternative spelling of this word?
I seem to recall that some verb of this sort is allowed to past
in this form although it usually doesn't.
Unfortunately uniquely's y speaks. Even university has
no y's dumb.
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| 1101.79 | A parting gift on my last day | LINGO::PETERS | | Fri Jul 01 1994 03:12 | 7 |
| Just re-reading my first post here - Note 428, and spotted this one:
Eyrie
A silent "y"!
Steve
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| 1101.80 | | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Fri Jul 01 1994 08:18 | 5 |
| Re .78
> Is "payed" a valid alternative spelling of this word?
I don't think so, but "played" should certainly work.
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| 1101.81 | | PASTIS::MONAHAN | humanity is a trojan horse | Fri Jul 01 1994 08:30 | 1 |
| Now it is hinted, "plaid" should give you a silent "i".
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| 1101.82 | | FORTY2::KNOWLES | Road-kill on the Info Superhighway | Mon Jul 04 1994 06:29 | 10 |
| �<<< Note 1101.75 by OKFINE::KENAH "Every old sock meets an old shoe..." >>>
�
� I'm not comfortable with prayer (or mayor, either) -- there *is*
� a consonantal "y" sound in both words...
No accounting for dialects. In mine `mayor' is a monosyllable that
rhymes with `air' (and for that matter `prayer').
b
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| 1101.83 | | AUSSIE::WHORLOW | Bushies do it for FREE! | Sun Jul 10 1994 20:28 | 11 |
| G'day.
(how about the oo in G'day? )
re .78
'Payed' would be the spelling of the past tense of 'to pay' in the form
to pay out a rope (naut)
would it not?
derek
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| 1101.84 | | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Tue Jul 12 1994 07:30 | 9 |
| Re .83
> 'Payed' would be the spelling of the past tense of 'to pay' in the form
> to pay out a rope (naut)
> would it not?
Nope. It's still "paid."
-dick
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| 1101.85 | | JRDV04::DIAMOND | $ SET MIDNIGHT | Tue Jul 12 1994 18:48 | 8 |
| >> to pay out a rope (naut)
>> would it not?
>Nope. It's still "paid."
Aw, how could any Lexistentialist pass up an opportunity like this:
Nope, it would naut.
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| 1101.86 | | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Wed Jul 13 1994 10:00 | 3 |
| > Nope, it would naut.
That's "knot."
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| 1101.87 | | REGENT::BROOMHEAD | Don't panic -- yet. | Wed Jul 13 1994 10:10 | 3 |
| Can we put paid to this rop-- string?
Ann B.
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| 1101.88 | | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Wed Jul 13 1994 11:42 | 1 |
| Naw, let's string it along a bit longer...
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| 1101.89 | Your call, Bosun? | AUSSIE::WHORLOW | Bushies do it for FREE! | Thu Jul 14 1994 17:50 | 11 |
| G'day,
This is getting off the mark and into the deeps. I am still able to
fathom it out, though - but here am I, swinging the lead, as we, by and
large, suffer landlubbers to come to the rhumb line, keelhaul the devil
and get caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.
Being winter here, it's cold enough to freeze the proverbial...
so I'll splice the mainbrace and up-totters.
Bosun
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| 1101.90 | I'm not bitter | FORTY2::KNOWLES | Road-kill on the Info Superhighway | Thu Jul 21 1994 08:09 | 10 |
| <<< Note 1101.88 by SMURF::BINDER "etsi capularis ego vita fruar" >>>
�Naw, let's string it along a bit longer...
There's a metapun here. The `bit' is the end of some piece of rope
(Dick would know which one - not just any old bit). Hence `to the
bitter end' (or so I read somewhere - maybe in the Oxford Companion
[no pun intended] to Ships and the Sea).
b
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| 1101.91 | | SEND::PARODI | John H. Parodi DTN 381-1640 | Thu Jul 21 1994 09:04 | 8 |
|
re: .-1
>(Dick would know which one - not just any old bit).
With bait like this, I'm sure dick will bight.
JP
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| 1101.92 | Is the second T in BITT silent? | SMURF::BINDER | etsi capularis ego vita fruar | Thu Jul 21 1994 13:46 | 10 |
| Re .91
Oh, if I must...
It's not actually a bit, Bob, it's a bitt. The bitter end is the
inboard end of a ship's anchor cable, and it's called that because it
is sometimes secured to a bitt on deck as a backup for the capstan
ratchet after the anchor is dropped.
You were right, John. Dick bit.
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| 1101.93 | | EVMS::MORONEY | Verbing weirds languages | Thu Apr 06 1995 17:36 | 7 |
| Salmon for l.
(although I did have a roommate once who pronounced it like the first 2
syllables of "salmonella". He also pronounced "gee" with a hard "g"
and this was a favorite expression of his. Drove me nuts.)
-Mike
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| 1101.94 | Q | PEKING::SULLIVAND | Not gauche, just sinister | Fri Apr 07 1995 06:35 | 8 |
| there's (or was) a French car made by Darracq; the q is certainly
silent. It's a proper name, however...
How about "q as in jacquard" ? The Concise Oxford Dictionary spells it
with a capital J, however.
q as in jacquerie ? (not in the COD)
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| 1101.95 | Red herring | PEKING::SULLIVAND | Not gauche, just sinister | Fri Apr 07 1995 06:40 | 3 |
| In .52 you have "C as in Scene"; however, my contention is that it's
the S that's silent, not the C !! :-)
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| 1101.96 | Did you say "jacquerie"? | GVPROD::BARTA | Gabriel Barta/OMS-ITOps/Geneva | Wed Apr 19 1995 01:33 | 9 |
| Re .94:
< q as in jacquerie ? (not in the COD)
That's a fascinating word -- Jaquier(y), Jacquier(y) are common names
in French Switzerland, but I never imagined that there was a word
(with a meaning, no less) like them. What does it mean?
(Another red herring.)
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| 1101.97 | jacquard and jacquerie have been NSOEDed | BIRMVX::HILLN | It's OK, it'll be dark by nightfall | Wed Apr 19 1995 03:08 | 5 |
| The NSOED has jacquard with an upper-case j, so that's one possibility.
It also has jacquerie and defines it as the revolt of the peasants of
northern France against the nobles in 1357-8; and any popular rising of
the peasantry.
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| 1101.98 | A tougher test? | KERNEL::MORRIS | Which universe did you dial? | Thu Jun 13 1996 06:07 | 41 |
| OK, here's a challenge for the regular fans...
How well can we do at constructing a silent alaphabet where the silent
letter is the first letter? My hope would be to replace the
International Radio Code words (if that's their proper name).
This arose from a game my 4 year old son invented at his playgroup
after I'd explained the concept of silent letters. Oh what a tangled
web we weave.
Here's what I've had time to do this morning. Please feel free to add
liberally (I guess half a dozen examples per letter will do):
A as in aisle, aeon
B as in
C as in
D as in
E as in
F as in
G as in
H as in hour
I as in
J as in Jose (pronounced ho-zay)
K as in knight, knee
L as in
M as in mnemonic
N as in
O as in
P as in ptarmigan, pteranodon, physics,
Q as in Quixote (pronounced key-ho-tay of course)
R as in
S as in
T as in Tchaikovsky
U as in
V as in
W as in whole, wright, wrong
X as in
Y as in
Z as in
Jon
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| 1101.99 | | SMURF::BINDER | Uva uvam vivendo variat | Thu Jun 13 1996 10:28 | 14 |
| Re .98
Your J for Jos� and Q for Quixote are both not valid. If the J were
silent, the name would bo oh-say, not ho-say. If the Q were silent,
the name would be wee-ho-tay, not kee-ho-tay.
What you have with these two letters is a pair of examples showing how
the same letter of the Latin alphabet can have different pronunciation
depending on the language that uses it. And of course we've known this
all along; in classical Latin, C is always pronounced as K, I is
pronounced as either Y (consonant) or short I as in bit (vowel), and V
is pronounced as either W (consonant) or OO (vowel).
:-)
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| 1101.100 | | WIBBIN::NOYCE | EV5 issues 4 instructions per meter | Thu Jun 13 1996 12:01 | 9 |
| C as in czar
E as in eunuchs
G as in gnome
L as in llama (? I say "yama" but American Heritage says "lama")
O as in oenophile, one
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| 1101.101 | | CSC32::D_DERAMO | Dan D'Eramo, Customer Support Center | Thu Jun 13 1996 13:54 | 5 |
| > L as in llama (? I say "yama" but American Heritage says "lama")
No, it is the second 'l' that is silent there.
Dan
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| 1101.102 | | JRDV04::DIAMOND | segmentation fault (california dumped) | Thu Jun 13 1996 19:56 | 2 |
| Many of the replies in 483.* and 803.* address this issue (interleaved
with a bunch of other stuff of course).
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| 1101.103 | | PRSSOS::MAILLARD | Denis MAILLARD | Fri Jun 14 1996 00:55 | 7 |
| Re .100, .101: Llama. None of these two l's is silent. It's simply
that in Spanish the double l is considered as one letter, which is
not pronounced the same way as the single l. Other combinations of two
letters are considered as a single letter in Spanish (e. g. ch) and all
these combinations have a separate specific entry in Spanish
dictionnaries.
Denis.
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| 1101.104 | | SMURF::BINDER | Uva uvam vivendo variat | Fri Jun 14 1996 06:28 | 9 |
| Re .103
> these combinations have a separate specific entry in Spanish
> dictionnaries.
Not anymore. It was recently decided to abolish the separate entries
and sort the double-letter combinations in with all the usual single
letters. Why? Primarily because of computers and the oddities of such
special sorting.
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| 1101.105 | | NUBOAT::HEBERT | Captain Bligh | Fri Jun 14 1996 07:35 | 15 |
| B as in debt and doubt
C as in luck
D as in Bundt
G as in impugn and reign
P as in ptarmigan
CE as in Leicester and Worcester ;^)
R as in cars in Boston ;^)
Art
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| 1101.106 | Tso Phar, �o Gould | KERNEL::MORRIS | Which universe did you dial? | Fri Jun 14 1996 10:18 | 49 |
| Re .99
Dick, you have a good point about J for Jose and Q for Quixote. Can
you suggest appropriate replacements?
Re .100
Bill (?) thanks for the suggestions but I don't think I can accept
llama because I know _I_ pronounce it with a clear l (I'd have to go
along with American Heritage and Chambers).
Re .102
Norman, thanks for the pointers but the vast majority of the incidences
here are of silent letters _within_ the words rather than as the first
letter. The point is that my son has learned his alphabet (in fact the
Dr Seuss alphabet as well (A is for Aunt Annie's Alligator)) and wants
to have the fun of words where the _first_ letter is silent.
Good work team - keep it up....
Jon
A as in aisle, aeon
B as in
C as in czar, charlatan
D as in
E as in eunuch (not sure if I can use this with my 4 year old son)
F as in
G as in gnome
H as in hour
I as in
J as in Jose (pronounced ho-zay), Jugoslavia
K as in knight, knee
L as in
M as in mnemonic
N as in
O as in oenophile, one, Oedipus
P as in ptarmigan, pteranodon, physics,
Q as in Quixote (pronounced key-ho-tay of course)
R as in
S as in
T as in Tchaikovsky
U as in
V as in
W as in whole, wright, wrong
X as in
Y as in
Z as in
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| 1101.107 | | SMURF::BINDER | Uva uvam vivendo variat | Mon Jun 17 1996 09:40 | 9 |
| Re .106
C as in charlatan is not valid. "Ch" makes the initial sound - without
the C, you get harlatan.
No, I have no suggested replacements. Not yet, anyway. :-)
-dick
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| 1101.108 | | TOHOPE::VORE_S | Hello, I would like to buy a fish license, please | Mon Jun 17 1996 14:13 | 1 |
| I as in Ipoh (pronounced, I believe, E-poe)
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| 1101.109 | Another helping hand | KERNEL::MORRIS | Which universe did you dial? | Tue Jun 18 1996 02:22 | 7 |
| Steve,
Thanks for Ipoh. As this is a place name (somewhere in Malaysia?) what
are the chances that I am going to get told that I can't use it because
it's really from another language?
Jon-who-is-prepared-to-bend-the-rules-to-get-the-job-done
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| 1101.110 | /me chuckles | TOHOPE::VORE_S | Hello, I would like to buy a fish license, please | Tue Jun 18 1996 05:44 | 2 |
| Well, Jon... I dunno. Depends on how creative your son will let
you be :-)
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| 1101.111 | | SMURF::BINDER | Uva uvam vivendo variat | Tue Jun 18 1996 08:01 | 10 |
| Re .108
> I as in Ipoh (pronounced, I believe, E-poe)
Some people are apparently missing the point of a *silent* letter. The
I in Ipoh is not silent, it is just pronounced in a way not familiar to
many Americans. If it were silent, it would have no sound at all, and
the name would be pronounced as just poe.
-dick
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| 1101.112 | Quick, move the goalposts | KERNEL::MORRIS | Which universe did you dial? | Wed Jun 19 1996 04:00 | 51 |
| Ah,
Dick, you are right. I have misrepresented my case.
On sober reflection I don't want a silent alphabet, I want a misleading
alphabet. The criterion for selection of an initial letter is that it
should appear on the printed page but not be heard in the spoken form.
This might be either because it is silent (e.g. K as in knight) or
because the pronunciation misleads (e.g. I as in Ipoh).
This not only clarifies some of the earlier notes, but (hopefully)
widens the scope for the creation of the complete alphabet.
BTW - I as in Ipoh had my son in fits of giggles so it's in for the
moment.
As previous stated, all contributions which help complete the list will
be gratefully received.
Jon
p.s. If the Moderator(s) feel we should move this string I'll let them
choose the title :-)
A as in aisle, aeon
B as in
C as in czar
D as in
E as in eunuch (not sure if I can use this with my 4 year old son)
F as in
G as in gnome
H as in hour
I as in Ipoh (pronounced ee-po)
J as in Jugoslavia
K as in knight, knee
L as in
M as in mnemonic
N as in
O as in oenophile, one, Oedipus
P as in ptarmigan, pteranodon, physics,
Q as in Quixote - looking for an alternative here
R as in
S as in
T as in Tchaikovsky
U as in
V as in
W as in whole, wright, wrong
X as in
Y as in
Z as in
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| 1101.113 | | WIBBIN::NOYCE | EV5 issues 4 instructions per meter | Wed Jun 19 1996 06:48 | 3 |
| > Q as in Quixote - looking for an alternative here
"quiche" has the same "k" sound -- not silent, but perhaps misleading?
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| 1101.114 | | SMURF::BINDER | Uva uvam vivendo variat | Wed Jun 19 1996 08:01 | 15 |
| Re .112
The only problem I have with your "misleading alphabet" concept is that
it's not at all misleading to someone familiar with non-English
languages. The Q in Quixote or quiche, for example, is readily obvious
to a Spanish or French speaker, respectively. Unfortunately for me,
although I'm not fluent in any languages other than English, French,
and Latin, my exposure to other languages in music has made me able to
pronounce Spanish, German, and Italian without even thinking about it.
So I guess I'll have to disqualify myself. How about the Y in Ybor,
the name of the area of Tampa where the Cuban cigar industry went after
Castro arrived. It's pronounced EE-bore.
:-)
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| 1101.115 | Hey, they're only rules - just ignore 'em! | KERNEL::MORRIS | Which universe did you dial? | Wed Jun 19 1996 10:45 | 39 |
| Don't disqualify yourself from a game where the rules may be
arbitrarily changed in order to make it possible to win ;^}
I like quiche and Ybor (although I have to admit that a more
internationally well-know example for Y might be nice - or am I just
displaying my geographic ignorance?). They're both in.
Jon
p.s. are there only three of us playing? Have I made the rules to
confusing? Is the game too dull?
A as in aisle, aeon
B as in
C as in czar
D as in
E as in eunuch (not sure if I can use this with my 4 year old son)
F as in
G as in gnome
H as in hour
I as in Ipoh (pronounced ee-po)
J as in Jugoslavia
K as in knight, knee
L as in
M as in mnemonic
N as in
O as in oenophile, one, Oedipus
P as in ptarmigan, pteranodon, physics,
Q as in quiche
R as in
S as in
T as in Tchaikovsky
U as in
V as in
W as in whole, wright, wrong
X as in
Y as in Ybor (pronounced ee-bor)
Z as in
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| 1101.116 | | ONOFRE::SKELLY_JO | | Wed Jun 19 1996 11:28 | 3 |
| Well, if you accept Ybor, then why not Yvonne or Yves or yttrium?
John
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| 1101.117 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | MindSurf the World w/ AltaVista! | Wed Jun 19 1996 14:38 | 3 |
| Howzabout the SECOND "t" in yttrium? (Of course that opens the
floodgates to ALL the double-letters...?)
|
| 1101.118 | | JRDV04::DIAMOND | segmentation fault (california dumped) | Wed Jun 19 1996 19:34 | 7 |
| With the new rules, some of the older notes that I entered (in other
note numbers as mentioned a few days ago) do qualify, and I do not
have much to add to them. For example "w as in why" seems suitably
misleading. Regarding "q", I don't remember if I suggested "q as in
quay" a few years back.
-- Norman Diamond
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| 1101.119 | | SMURF::BINDER | Uva uvam vivendo variat | Thu Jun 20 1996 07:28 | 7 |
| Re .118
Bravo, Norman. Q as in quay is about as misleading as things can get!
(For them as doesn't know how to pronounce quay, it's "kee.")
-dick
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| 1101.120 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Thu Jun 20 1996 09:58 | 6 |
| ><<< Note 1101.118 by JRDV04::DIAMOND "segmentation fault (california dumped)" >>>
> For example "w as in why" seems suitably misleading.
How so?
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| 1101.121 | another misleading letter | PCBUOA::gnat.ako.dec.com::ALDERMAN | PCBUOA::ALDERMAN | Thu Jun 20 1996 11:40 | 2 |
|
X as in xylophone
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| 1101.122 | | TELGAR::WAKEMANLA | like a silicon armadillo | Thu Jun 20 1996 11:54 | 19 |
| >> T as in Tchaikovsky
I have to disagree with this one, and if you try Tse Tse (as in the
fly) I would have to disagree with that one to. The Tch in Tchaikovsky
is the Anglification of the Cyrillic (insert funny looking charachter
here) that sounds much like the tch in Itchy. It took me two years to
learn to pronounce that one right as well as some of the other strange
palatazations and vowell placements that exist in the Russian tongue.
The Ts in Tse Tse comes from a similar Letter in the Greek alphabet
(that the Cyril brothers used as a model for written Russian) that also
exists in the Cyrillic alphabet. It is pronounced as the ts in "itsa"
as in Itsa Boy!!!. And to think the Russian name for the German
Language literally translates to the Language of the Dead.
As for P, I always liked Pnemonia
Larry
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| 1101.123 | Pnemonia? | DRDAN::KALIKOW | MindSurf the World w/ AltaVista! | Thu Jun 20 1996 12:12 | 4 |
| ... the one with the silent u?
:-)
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| 1101.124 | Great suggestions | KERNEL::MORRIS | Which universe did you dial? | Fri Jun 21 1996 04:31 | 50 |
| re. last few
Thanks folks for all the suggestions:
I have (arbitrarily) decided against Yves because it sounds the same as
eves (which although _mightily_ misleading is a bit unfair for my son).
However, both Yvonne and yttrium seem worthy.
Quay is great as is pneumonia.
I knew I was tcheating with Tchaikovsy (having done some elementary
Russian at school, I also learned to pronouce the T). Can we find a
replacement?
As for X I am really struggling to decide what the expected sound is
that X makes at the beginning of a word. I find that most of the
examples I come up with produce a sort of `tz' effect as opposed to the
`ks' you get when it is in the middle of a word. Please can the
linguists advise (and provide the required misleading exceptions?)?
Jon
A as in aisle, aeon
B as in
C as in czar
D as in
E as in eunuch (not sure if I can use this with my 4 year old son)
F as in
G as in gnome
H as in hour
I as in Ipoh (pronounced ee-po)
J as in Jugoslavia
K as in knight, knee
L as in
M as in mnemonic
N as in
O as in oenophile, one, Oedipus
P as in ptarmigan, pteranodon, physics, pneumonia
Q as in quiche, quay
R as in
S as in
T as in Tchaikovsky
U as in
V as in
W as in whole, wright, wrong
X as in
Y as in Ybor (pronounced ee-bor), Yvonne, yttrium,
Z as in
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| 1101.126 | initial x sounds z | CPEEDY::BRADLEY | Chuck Bradley | Fri Jun 21 1996 14:34 | 9 |
| re .124, sound of x at the beginning of a word:
most commonly, it is a z sound, as in Xerxes or xenophobia.
the list is short enough to read the dictionary.
it is not easy to predict which z syllable from the following vowel.
i nominate xenon for the list, because science is fun, too.
Xerox or xerography would do. everyone knows Xerox.
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| 1101.127 | A for orses | AUSSIE::WHORLOW | Digits are never unfun! | Sun Jun 23 1996 17:54 | 33 |
| G'day,
I've been off ill and only just got back to play...
How's about....
B as in 'rose'... what, no b in rose you say? well there was in this
one, and that's why I have a sting on my nose!
F as in ghoti.... or maybe G?
R as in Elmer's rascally rabbit
Q as in QAT... a mid east bush. has no 'u'...
c as in celica, a car
n as in ngoro-goro game park
(any thing in this ditty...
mtu moja kwenda, kwenda leena shamba
mtu moja na mbwe yake,
kwenda leema shamba) [a quick mental association..ngoro-goro to 'one
man went to mow' in swahili
p as in swimming...
X as in Xanadu... or does X always make a z sound... or X as in [make
lip smacking kiss sound]
derek
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| 1101.128 | | JRDV04::DIAMOND | segmentation fault (california dumped) | Sun Jun 23 1996 19:24 | 11 |
| F as in "read the manual"
X as in Xochimilco (probably misspelled; someone with an atlas please
fix it -- but I *do* recall the unusual sound for the X)
I as in ego
E as in eye (or eh)
I think there ought to be a Dutch town whose name starts with Tj,
sounding to an English speaker as if it started with Ch.
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| 1101.129 | Getting there, getting there, only 11 to go | KERNEL::MORRIS | Which universe did you dial? | Mon Jun 24 1996 03:31 | 43 |
| Norman,
How is Xochimilco pronounced? You mention the unusual sound for X but
then, you tease, don't assay the analysis. I have an atlas but it
doesn't give etymology or pronounciation.
Derek,
How is Qat pronounced? If it is `kat' then I love it, if it is `kwat'
it's no good (because it sounds like a Q even though there is no U
after it).
Keep 'em coming guys....
Jon
A as in aisle, aeon
B as in
C as in czar
D as in
E as in eye, eunuch (not sure if I can use this with my 4 year old son)
F as in
G as in gnome
H as in hour
I as in Ipoh (pronounced ee-po)
J as in Jugoslavia
K as in knight, knee
L as in
M as in mnemonic
N as in
O as in oenophile, one, Oedipus
P as in ptarmigan, pteranodon, physics, pneumonia
Q as in quiche, quay
R as in
S as in
T as in Tchaikovsky
U as in
V as in
W as in whole, wright, wrong
X as in
Y as in Ybor (pronounced ee-bor), Yvonne, yttrium,
Z as in
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| 1101.130 | sounds like "Jolly" | TOHOPE::VORE_S | Hello, I would like to buy a fish license, please | Mon Jun 24 1996 06:34 | 5 |
| D as in Djali - Esmeralda's pet goat and sidekick (Disney's Hunchback
of Notre Dame) "...great in a pinch when soldiers are nearby. He likes
to horn in on the action but he's really just a big kid. Djali doesn't
say much, but he packs a wallop when he feels Esmeralda is in danger."
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| 1101.131 | y in you | CPEEDY::BRADLEY | Chuck Bradley | Mon Jun 24 1996 07:20 | 2 |
| y in you
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| 1101.132 | | SMURF::BINDER | Errabit quicquid errare potest. | Mon Jun 24 1996 08:35 | 5 |
| Re .131
How about E as in ewe? :-)
-dick
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| 1101.133 | | SMURF::BINDER | Errabit quicquid errare potest. | Mon Jun 24 1996 08:39 | 8 |
| Re .129
> How is Xochimilco pronounced? ... etymology or pronounciation
It's from Nahuatl, the language of the Aztecs and certain other peoples
of central Mexico. If I remember correctly, X in Nahuatl is pronounced
as TS - in English, this name is distorted, so that the X is pronounced
as an S.
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| 1101.134 | | OSOSPS::KAGEYAMA | Trust, but Verify | Mon Jun 24 1996 18:30 | 19 |
| re>.129 -< Getting there, getting there, only 11 to go >-
> B as in
Doubt and debt are suggested in .105. Thumb is also a candidate.
> E as in eye, eunuch (not sure if I can use this with my 4 year old son)
"E" in "cute".
> I as in Ipoh (pronounced ee-po)
"I" in "suit."
> L as in
First "l" in "colonel".
- Kazunori
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| 1101.135 | | AUSSIE::WHORLOW | Digits are never unfun! | Mon Jun 24 1996 18:41 | 13 |
| G'day,
Qat.... pronounced Kat, which is an alternative spelling (as is Khat)
Then there is Zzzzzzz pronounced 'snore'
Z as in Zed (and not Zee)
In Oz, there is a place called 'Goonoo Goonoo' pronounced 'Gunnee
gunnoo'
dj
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| 1101.136 | L, Z | OSOSPS::KAGEYAMA | Trust, but Verify | Mon Jun 24 1996 23:34 | 9 |
| re> .129
> L as in
could, should, would
> Z as in
rendezvous
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