Conference thebay::joyoflex

    Re .0: 
>2. What's a female goose called? A goose?
    
    A female goose is a goose, a male goose is a gander.
    		Denis.

That's where a cow lives.

b

re .1, ok, so the matrix for goose is so far:

common word: goose
latin: ??
male: gander
female: goose
young: gosling
plural: geese
collective: gaggle
habitat: ??

    There's also the heifer/cow and bull/ox distinctions for some
    animals.
    		-John Bishop

common word: goose
latin: anserine
male: gander
female: goose
young: gosling
plural: geese
collective: gaggle
habitat: By nature, wetlands; by human agency, farmyards
participle: Eeee-yow!
    

I thought the heifer was a female calf (as a filly is a female foal).  What's
a male calf (colt being the male foal)?  And isn't an ox a whole 'nother breed?

Baffled in the barn (a half 'nother time),
Leslie

An ox is "an adult castrated bull."  A steer is "a young ox, esp. one raised
for beef."  A bullock is "a steer or young bull."  So I suppose a bullock
could be the male equivalent of a heifer.

Actually, Dick, I'm not sure about your habitat for geese. Chicken go
in a coop. Pigs in a sty or pen (not sure which is more accurate). Are
geese not penned (or is it pent) up?

common word: horse
latin: equine
male: stallion, gelding (depending on pre- or post-op; any others?)
female: mare (others?)
young: colt or foal (not sure if sex distinguishes these)
plural: horses
collective: herd??
habitat: ??

    Mike,
    
    A colt is a young male horse; a filly is a young female horse.  A foal
    is a young horse of unspecified gender.  The proper habitat for horses
    is a range.
    
    I've seen geese left free to wander the farmyard at innumerable farms
    where friends have lived.  At other farms, I've seen them fenced in.
    
    -dick

The plural of 'cow' is 'kine'.

Dave C.

	RE .9

>>	The proper habitat for horses is a range.

	Ah.  Interesting.  We call it a race course.  

     Do they get a diploma?

I have often wondered whether a `wild goose chase' involves a question
that has no _anser_.

b

    Re: cow/cattle/kine
    
    Actually, "cattle" is a generic plural for domestic farm animals. 
    Horses, kine, hogs, sheep, etc., are all "cattle."
    
    -dick

    My grandfather, professional dairy farmer, called castrated bulls
    'steers'.  My wife, suburban bred, thought that the stuff at
    the butcher shop that you put into ox-tail soup was some kind of
    sausage (really it's the tail of a steer).
    
    Another class you need is for a cross-species neuter
    animal like the mule (donkey father, horse mother) and hinny
    (horse father, donkey mother).
    
    Also, what's the generic singular for the animal that's a cow if she's
    a female and a bull if he's male?  This has always bothered me...
    
    Doug.

    A cross-species neuter such as the mule or hinny is a "neuter hybrid."
    
    A single unspecified member of the bovie persuasion is a bovine.
    
    -dick

Ah yes, home, home on the range ... except it's deer and antelope out
there ... never heard of horses.

Interesting, I had never heard of "kine" before. And, until recently,
didn't realize that an ox was the same species as a steer (always
thought it was a different species like maybe a bison or something).

Q: Are donkeys and burros the same species? What about asses (please
spare us the wise cracks :-)?

So lions travel in a pride. And the young of big cats are cubs, not
kittens. Seals have pups. Elephants have calves (or is it calfs?).
Swans have signets.

Some more questions:

What's a hog, a pig, and a sow? What exactly does "swine" mean?

Goats:
Latin: ? (must be something like caprum or something)
Male: billy
Female: nanny
Young: kid

Ducks:
Latin: ?
Male: drake
Female: ?
Young: duckling

Dogs:
Latin: canine
Male: sire (is this correct?)
Female: bitch
Young: puppy

Interesting that neutered males and females go by different words than
their intact counterparts (e.g., "eunuch").

Turkeys:
Latin: ?
Male: tom
Female: hen
Young: ?

Chickens:
Latin: ?
Male: cock, rooster, and something else
Female: hen, and something else
Young: chick

Q: What birds are properly called "fowl"?

    Re: .17
    
    > Ah yes, home, home on the range ... never heard of horses.

    Before horses were domesticated, they lived on ranges - and when they
    escape their human masters, they revert; vide the (formerly domestic
    Spanish) mustangs of the American Southwest.
    
    > Interesting, I had never heard of "kine" before.

    Look at the King James Version of the Bible, specifically Genesis
    chapter 41, the pharaoh's dream of the seven fat kine and the seven
    lean kine.
    
    > Q: Are donkeys and burros the same species? What about asses (please
    > spare us the wise cracks :-)?

    Yes.  They are all three the species "Equus asinus."  Asinus is the
    Latin for donkey/ass.  "Burro" is Spanish.
    
    > Swans have signets.
    
    That's spelled "cygnet."

    > What's a hog, a pig, and a sow? What exactly does "swine" mean?

    A hog is an adult male swine.  A sow is an adult female.  A pig is a
    young swine.  "Piglet" is a variation of "pig."  "Swine" refers to
    animals of the family Suidae (both wild and domestic).
    
    > Goats:
    > Latin: caper or, more usually, hircus; hence the adjective hircine.

    > Ducks:
    > Latin: anas is the Latin, I don't know the English form.
    > Female: duck

    > Dogs:
    > Latin: canine
    > Male: dog (sire is the term for the father of a canine.)

    > Chickens:
    > Latin: pullus or gallinaceus, hence gallinacious

    > Q: What birds are properly called "fowl"?

    Properly, all birds are fowl.  In animal husbandry, the term is
    restricted to gallinaceous birds such as chickens, turkeys, guinea
    fowl, etc.
    
    -dick

>    > Swans have signets.
>    
>    That's spelled "cygnet."

Swans wearing a certain kind of ring have signets.

>    My grandfather, professional dairy farmer, called castrated bulls
>    'steers'.  My wife, suburban bred, thought that the stuff at
>    the butcher shop that you put into ox-tail soup was some kind of
>    sausage (really it's the tail of a steer).
    
	Reminds me of a visit from some city folk friends when I was
	growing up in rural Virginia.  As we passed a HERD of CATTLE:

	Junior:  Look, Daddy!  Look at all those bulls!

	Mr. City Folk:	Those aren't bulls, son, they're cows.

	Needless to say, they were all steer.

		-- Cliff

common word:   operating system
latin root:    ??
male:          MULTICS
female:        VMS
neuter:        UNIX
young--
    male+female:   none known
    male+neuter:   none known
    female+neuter: ULTRIX
plural:        flames (followups directed to alt.religion.computers)
collective:    anarchy
habitat:       computer

    Close, Norman, very close.
    
    common word:   operating system
    latin root:    ratio, hence rational (i.e., systematic, logical)
    young:	   NeXT
    male+neuter:   UNIX (recursive function)

			common word:   JOYOFLEXus
			latin root:    nota bene
			male:          bull
			female:        notrix
			neuter:        IMHO
			young:	       read-only
			plural:        JOYOFLEXii
			collective:    flame
			habitat:       rat hole

    Re: .23
    
    The plural should be JOYOFLEXI, not JOYOFLEXII.  The latter would be
    correct only if the singular were JOYOFLEXIUS.  :-)
    
    -dick

>    The plural should be JOYOFLEXI, not JOYOFLEXII.  The latter would be
>    correct only if the singular were JOYOFLEXIUS.  :-)
    
	Thank you.  I put that in there just to make sure you all were
	on your toes.  The promptness of your response gives me renewed
	faith in our flame of joyoflexi.

		-- C

    Hmmm.  I assumed the doubled i was merely a stuck keyboard.  It simply
    never occurred to me that anybody would make that mistake
    intentionally, even as a test.

>>    Hmmm.  I assumed the doubled i was merely a stuck keyboard.  It simply
>>    never occurred to me that anybody would make that mistake
>>    intentionally, even as a test.

	II thought the same thing.

    re .24 plural of 'joyoflexus' is 'joyoflexi', not '-ii'
    
    Only if it's Latin. 
    
    English: joyoflexuses
    German:  Joyoflexusen or Joyoflexu"s or Joyoflexu"ser or ...
    Arabic:  joyoflexusoon or ...
    
    Personally, it looks kind of French to me, so I'll suggest
    
    	Joyoflexeaux
    
    		-John Bishop
    

    Re: .28
    
    Actually, John, you're not entirely correct.  The suffix -I to indicate
    a plural of JOYOFLEXUS is acceptable in English; cf HIPPOPOTAMUS/-USES/
    -I and OCTOPUS/-USES/-I and CACTUS/-USES/-I.
    
    If Cliff chooses to define that his invented word is declined in the
    Latin form, far be it from me to deny him that right.
    
    -dick

    JOYSOFLEX
       ^
    
    On a whose separate matter, the plural of LEX is probably LICES.

    The plural of LEX is LEGES - it means a group/collection of words.
    
    -dick

    RE:.0
    >common word: cat
    >latin root: feline
    >male: tom
    >female: queen
    >young: kitten
    >plural: cats
    >collective: ?? (is there a need for one??)
    >habitat: couch :-)
    


                                                 - Rik -
    
    whose cat has adopted the maxim: Bite the hand and it will feed you...

>                       <<< Note 994.28 by TLE::JBISHOP >>>
>                             -< You assume Latin >-
>
>    re .24 plural of 'joyoflexus' is 'joyoflexi', not '-ii'
>    
>    Only if it's Latin. 
>    
>    English: joyoflexuses
>    German:  Joyoflexusen or Joyoflexu"s or Joyoflexu"ser or ...
>    Arabic:  joyoflexusoon or ...
>    
>    Personally, it looks kind of French to me, so I'll suggest
>    
>    	Joyoflexeaux
>    
>    		-John Bishop
    
    
    What might be the rule if it's a car with an invented name
    from Japan: Lexus?  Has anyone noticed the plural in an ad?
    

    

    Lexus is a trademark, so they talk about Lexus automobiles!
    
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