Conference thebay::joyoflex

    
    o Boston Baked Beans      [note: most beans aren't baked but are steamed]
                                                       
    o Rocky Mountain Oysters
    
    o New York sirloin
    
    o Cantonese Duck
    
    o Mississippi Mud  [an ice cream flavor]
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    Re .0:
    
    "Wiener Bratwurst" == Vienna Sausage
    I can't say whether or not it's a real specialty there, since I don't
    eat meat.
    
    Some famous homes of some (famous?) cheeses:
    Appenzell, Switzerland
    Gruyere, Switzerland
    Limburg, Switzerland
    Gorgonzolla, Italy (I think)
    
    And also, from Germany, the Schwarzwalderkirschtorte.
    (A locally made Black Forest Cherry Torte is nothing like a similarly
    named product available outside the region.)
    
    >M

    Stilton
    Cheddar   
    Cheshire  
    Lancashire
    Gloucester
    Double Gloucester
    Wensleydale
    Leicester 
    Caerphilly

...and some more trivial etymology:
In Norway we call Danish pastry "wienerbr�d" (Vienna bread),
since the good pastry in Denmark was baked by Austrian bakers.
We also call baguettes "pariserloff" (Parisian white bread).

Henrik

    	For cheeses the choice is so great - a typical shop round here
    might have a hundred varieties, a specialist shop maybe twice that
    many, and most of them are named after their places of origin. It was a
    moment or two before I could think of one that was not.
    
    	To contribute in other areas, salade Ni�oise, Champagne (in France
    most wines are named after place of origin - other countries often use
    the variety of grape instead).
    
    	Then there is sandwich - named after the man who was named after
    the place.

    Re: .5
    
    	"Champagne (in France most wines are named after place of origin -
    	other countries often use the variety of grape instead)."
    
    On a more mundane level, the concord grape is named after Concord,
    Massachusetts, where this variety was first perfected.
    
Lew Lasher

	Thanks.  I particularly liked champagne and cheddar.  I
	guess what I was after were words for common foods where
	the place had become hidden (you can come up with lots of
	names where the food is obscure or the place name is obvious).
		
	For some reason, a lot of these came from Germany -- can 
	anybody think of any others like hamburger, frankfurter, etc.?
	I wonder what Germans call hot dogs and hamburgers?  Henrik:
	what do the Dutch call Danish pastry?  I'd be particularly
	interested in this kind of stuff from other languages.

		-- Cliff

    If we include cocktails, we could have such things as
    
    o Singapore Gin Sling
    
    Actually, I'd rather not.  Let's leave it as foods, like
    
    o Philadelphia Scrapple.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    
    Cognac
    
    Bordeaux
    
    
    Pierre.

Not sure how they are called in English. "Brussels sprouts"? They are called
"brukselki" in Polish.....

What did the Belgians *do* with them.... ;-)

Arie

    How could I possibly forget???!!!
    
    o Coney Island Red Hots (a form of hot dog).
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    	As an example of a place name becoming hidden - it is quite common
    to see "calamars americain" in the local restaurants.
    
    	I am told it has nothing to do with America - it is just that the
    local restauranteurs do not realise (or are able to spell) that the
    recipe comes from Armorique.

    
    How about Buffalo Wings,  Maine Lobsters, and African Lobster Tails?
    
    There are also the various -schnitzel dishes...weanerschnitzel (from
    Vienna), Schweitzer schnitzel (from Switzerland), etc.
    
    And of course there's Hungarian Goulash.

    Boloney - there's a note about it somewhere (either Bologna or Poland,
    opinions differ).
    
    I don't understand .0's question about parmesan cheese; but the
    Italian's `parmiggiano', and that sort of cheese originated in Parma.
    
    FWIW - .12 referred to calamares. On the Costa Paquete a common dish is
    `calamares a la romana' - sort of French fried squid; I never saw them
    in Rome. I suspect the dish could more properly be called `calamares
    a la turista'.
    
    b0

    Sardinias 
    Turkey 
    Kiwi fruit
    Hot mug of Java
    Baked Alaska
    Chile
    Yukon Jack
    
    And everybody knows that when we're real Hungary, we pile all these
    geographic foods onto our fine China and make Slavs of ourselves.

And why do the Americans call those things "English" muffins?

    	I had always thought "English muffins" was some obscure national
    insult, rather like "French leave" or "French letter".
    
    	However, since the last two terms translate into a reciprocal term
    in French I was looking for a suitable English return insult. How about
    if we start referring to the stuff the Americans put on them (grape
    jam) as "American marmalade"?
    
    (OOps. There is another place name, this time in Spain :-).

    Re .17
    
    What place in Spain, Dave?
    
    If you're referring to marmalade, I thought it was a corruption
    of Marie malade.  The legend I heard was that Mary Queen of Scots
    was ill and was given some orange jam.  She was so pleased that
    it was renamed in her honour.  The name subsequently getting shortened
    to marmalade.
    
    Talking of marmalade, the finest is Oxford Marmalade, because the
    makers were based in that city.
    
    Nick

    Turkey!
    
    (just kidding ;)
    
    -Jody
    

    Not that this is anything to do with food, but the French for Indian
    ink is encre de chine.  It seems that people slap place names onto
    things (like `English muffin') just to make them sound different.
    Maybe it was originally a marketing ploy (tho' I can't see the angle).
    
    b

    G'day,
    Not wishing to start a cullinary war, but did not the humble English
    Muffin start life in England as some form of yeast based scone? I well
    remember the Muffin man with a tray of muffins on his head and a bell
    in his hand coming down my street when I was a kid. Muffin men have
    been around, I believe since forever.
    
    
    Derek
    
    How about Chester cakes? Yummeee 
    
    

	"Sardine" and "baloney" are winners.

	"Marmalade" comes from the Portugese for "quince" (i.e.,
	conserve made from quinces), which ultimately derives from
	the two Greek roots "meli-" (honey) and "melon" (apple)

	Is there a ridiculous etymologies note in this conference?
	If not, let's start one.
	
		-- Cliff

    English muffins are called English muffins in the US because the
    Americans just couldn't keep a straight face when we English presented 
    them with fairy cakes. So they called fairy cakes "muffins", and
    muffins "English muffins". Well, it almost sounds credible.
    
    How about Welsh rarebit, which was originally called Welsh Rabbit
    (as if the Welsh didn't know how to cook rabbit?) but got corrupted
    over the years (by someone who obviously didn't understand the joke).
     
    Others I can think of:
    
    Eccles cakes (Eccles, Lancs)
    Bakewell tarts (Bakewell, Derbyshire - known there as "Bakewell
    puddings")
    Sherry (Jerez, Spain)
    Port (Oporto, Portugal)          
    
    John

    Whoops, yes. There is a Marmolado, but it is in Italy, not Spain, and
    it is too high up to make an orange jam credible as a product.
    
    You just can't believe what people tell you these days...

The origin of "marmalade" is a chicken ranch in Florida.  The chicken farmer 
feed the chickens citrus peelings.  When one of the hens produced an orange 
instead of an egg, one of the chicks said



	Look at the orange marmalade

Clay

    When I was in college (at university, for people on the east side of
    the pond), we called English Muffins "Saxon Bagels."
    
    	Jon

re: "Saxon Bagels"

Sounds like fun, if you are a kinky gourmet acrobat.

Clay

    Some varieties of tea are named after places too.
    
    And then there are these candies.  In the States they're called
    Canadian mints, and in Canada they're called English mints.
    I forgot to look for them in England....

    I don't think I've ever run across a Canadian mint.  What is it
    like?  
    
    --bonnie

>                        -< but then I'm not a mint fan >-
>
>    I don't think I've ever run across a Canadian mint.  What is it
>    like?  
>    

I'm not sure you could exactly run across a Canadian mint, unless you
have some ladders and things ... There are only two of them you know ...
one in Ottawa and one in Winterpeg.   I dunno what the Winnipeg one is
like either, but the one in Ottawa is a dizzying two bit thing.  If
you try to go through it you must have an appointment and show up at
the designated dime.  They tell me it is the Royal center of town!


Stuart

If you mean a Canada Mint (tm) they're around 5/8" in diamter by 3/16" thick
and used to come in white and pink variants.

-dave

    
    Horses love 'em.

    And if you run across one, it turns to powder.

    Sounds like the things that are marketed here as Extra Strong Mints�.

Ohhhhhhhh!  That kind of mint! :-)

        RE: .30 -

        "...you must have an appointment and show up at the designated
        dime."

        You have to show up at the Mint at the designated DIME!?

>    And if you run across one, it turns to powder.
    
    That must be why I never noticed them -- by running across them,
    I've reduced them to little puffs of pink and white powder.
    
    Hm, sounds like something that could get me in trouble with the
    drug-testing authorities. . . 
    
    --bonnie

re .36

You could say I was trying to coin a bad pun ....

The Royal Canadian Mint produces the country's coins ... and coins and medals
for countless countries around the world too.  They were responsible for some
of the new alloys that ended up replacing silver.  To visit the mint, you must
have an appointment ... they organise their tours that way.

Meanwhile back to Food places ...

    Then there are Denver and Philadelphia mints ...
    
    The Denver product is a sandwich.