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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

2088.0. "Likes/dislikes........." by IDEFIX::HEMMINGS (Lanterne Rouge) Mon Sep 23 1991 12:43

I was riding up this big hill the other day and to take my mind off the pain, 
I got to thinking...
�You've been biking for upwards of 30 years - what do you like in 
"innovations"?  What do you not like?�

I thought more and got the idea of a straw poll to see what people think, so 
I suggest top 3 "likes", and top 3 "hates".  Here's my starters -

Likes
1. Narrow chains/freewheels - at last I can get the gear ranges I want.
2. Aero brakes - not for any aero qualities, but I love uncluttered bars.
3. Lycra shorts - I suffered for years, no problems now.

Hates
1. Tri-bars - see (2) above, the thought of having to ride with bits of 
plumbing under my nose ....  You must be joking!!
2. Skinsuits - OK if you're female, nubile and less than 30 years old, but 
with my figure and my age I look like a badly put together pork sausage.
3. Discwheels - I like my bike to be swift and silent and not sound like a 
wheelbarrow.

Over to you, fellow-noters...........
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2088.1NEMAIL::DELORIEAI've got better things to do.Mon Sep 23 1991 12:5713
Likes

1. New small computers. (though I'm no longer a slave to one.)
2. Look Pedals 
3. Dare I say it... Index shifting.

Hates

1. BIO-Pace chain rings. I really hate them.
2. Flat proof tubular tires. Ya, right
3. High price of good Cycling clothing.

2088.2CHIP'S LISTWMOIS::GIROUARD_CMon Sep 23 1991 13:4618
    Likes:
    
    1. CAMPY
    2. CAMPY
    3. CAMP
    4. Index Shifting
    5. Aero stuff
    6. Light stuff
    7. Frivolous Exotica
    
    Dislikes:
    
    1. Cheap cycling clothes
    2. CAMPY - SHIMANO arguments
    3. Rain
    4. Glass in the road
    5. Cholesterol glutony on weekends (mine)
    6. USCF Officials (this is a general statement)
2088.3Titanium snow-plough low-ridersMOVIES::PAXTONAlan Paxton, VMS Engineering EcosseMon Sep 23 1991 14:4911
    Likes:
    -light helmets (I feel undressed w/out one now)
    -aero bars (they distinguish the catchable mountain bikers)
    -altimeters (the Forth bridge is an official Avocet hill)
    
    Dislikes:
    -mountain bikers I can't catch
    -incompatible everythings
    -the price of 8sp gear setups
    
    ---Alan
2088.4Merlin's outta sight, but -BOOKIE::CROCKERMon Sep 23 1991 18:2312
    Likes:
    -clipless pedals
    -aero clip-ons
    -Dura-Ace STI
    -light helmets
    -Profile bottle cages 
    -discs
    -Continental sew-ups
    Dislikes:
    -prices
    -having to train as hard as a vet as I used to as a Cat II
    -narrow clinchers that slip when cornering
2088.5Norbert's 2cents listMVSX00::MVSX02::GISLERtri = action for real athletesTue Sep 24 1991 03:2417
	Likes:

		sun
		oakley
		profile (for speed) stuff
		aero spokes wheels (if only I could have a pair)
		spezialised helmets

	Dislikes:

		cold weather
		rain
		smoking diesel engins on hilly roads
		carbon frames that I can't afford

	Norbert
2088.6Some moreRUTILE::MACFADYENbook was successfully built %DVC-I-BOOKBUILT,Tue Sep 24 1991 07:208
Likes:  index shifting
        aero brakes
        wheels that stay true
        
Dislikes:  handlebar tape that comes unstuck during a long ride
           

Rod
2088.72pNOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurTue Sep 24 1991 08:348
    Likes: new tech, though I still enjoy using my older
    Campy Equipped bikes, too.
    
    Dislikes: Joining Masters, I guess that's why I'm buying a new
    bike to celebrate.
    Flats.
    
    ed
2088.8after much thoughtAD::CRANEI'd rather be on my bicycleTue Sep 24 1991 10:0615
    
    
    
       Likes :	1. Clipless(Look) pedals.
    		2. Aero Brake levers. (I also like uncluttered handlebars)
    		3. 7-speed freewheels. (6 is to little + 8 is to much)
    		4. The paint job on my new bike!
    
    Dislikes : 	1. The price and relative need for high tech.
    		2. Forward leaning seat posts.
    		3. Aero water bottles.
    
    
      John C.
    
2088.9EXCESSIVE NEON!KAOFS::W_VIERHOUTCentral Canada SupportTue Sep 24 1991 10:1823


       Likes:
              The camaraderie that develops between club and team members
              Rock hard tires
              The great tan this sport gives us
              Speed
              Time pedals
              CAMPY
              Watching crits
              Slow rides
              Being in the break
              Stretching
              Racing
 
        Dislikes:
              Shimano
              Untrue wheels
              Flats
              EXCESSIVE NEON
              Crashes
              Racing
2088.10my cutSHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredTue Sep 24 1991 10:2015
    
    Likes:
    	- aero brake cabling
    	- aero brake calipers (Athena)
    	- aero rims
    	- aero bars
    	- aero seatposts !!
    
    Dislikes:
    	- bike clothing, bike equipment, and biking as � fashion �  
    	- traffic & congestion & new shopping malls in the countryside
    	- Power Bar wrappers along the roadside
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    > disc wheels: yes, they *do* sound like wheelbarrows!
2088.11just a nit-pick....IDEFIX::HEMMINGSLanterne RougeTue Sep 24 1991 11:574
My base note talked about innovations...

I'm not sure about rain, I suppose it could be loosely described that way on the
C�te d'Azur.   ;>)
2088.12Biathlete Opins...CREVAS::ERICKSONJohn Erickson, DTN 232-2590Tue Sep 24 1991 14:3121
	LIKES:	
		* Clip-on aero bars: The best idea I wish _I_ had thought of!
		* Lightweight, aero helmets: NO MORE EXCUSES!
		* Pedal Conversion platforms: allow me to run, bike, and run	
		  in my running shoes (yeah, I'm a multi-sport GEEK!)
		* The sound of a DISK WHEEL as I blow past it in a race!
		* The clean look of aero brake levers
		* Dudes that get into multi-sporting as part of their mid-life
		  crisis' and then sell out CHEAP!

	DISLIKES:
		* The sound of a DISK WHEEL gaining on ME in a race!
		* Mail-Order Highway Robbery (1-800-PAY-MORE!)
		* Cycling as a fashion statement (1-800-BUY-NEON)
		* F***ING GLASS on OUR training routes!

	My apologies to the base noter for getting this away from innovation...

	Later,

	John
2088.13CTHQ1::LANGLOISData NetworksTue Sep 24 1991 17:3320
    
    
    	LIKES:
    
    		Not crashing.
    		My good ol' Fuji.
    		Clipless pedals.
    		The smooth sound of the whirring gears and chains when
    		running with a pack on a flat stretch. 
    
    	DISLIKES:
    
    		Crashing.
    		The RT 62 hill going into Barre, Massachusetts.
    		Flats.
    		Having people older than I sailing past me in a race and
    		not even having the decency to be breathing as hard as I
    		am.  :^)
    
    							Thom...
2088.14BALMER::MUDGETTOne Lean, Mean Whining MachineTue Sep 24 1991 19:5063
Greetings Cyclists,

Forgive the usual spilling errors and also some goofy escape
sequences...I'm in Bedford and they have recently upgraded the 
terminals to VT220's and a DF03! What an experiance!

Likes: 

1. Hand built wheels. I can only imagine what the world was like
when most things of lasting value were made this way. I recently
got a pair built and they have lasted this 200+(many) pound geezer
for 3,000 miles. I foolishly tried to get factory made wheels to 
work and they honestly aren't worth squat.

2. My bike radio. I love really long rides and when you are as
slow as I am you'll be alone alot and my Radio Shack Bicycle
Commander is great company. I am amazed when in a ride some riders
who are busy passing like I was standing still will remark to their
fellow speed demon (averaging upwords 13 mph) and say, "what a good
idea?" I want to catch up to them and say, "hello person from some
other universe its called a radio and its been around for like 90
years!!!" But of course they would probably hit me with bike pump.
That is if I could ever catch them in the first place.

3. A really well built bike. When friends at work have several hours 
to spend they ask me why I spent so much ($500.00) on my bike when
they have a perfectly good Kmart thing for like $99.98 (assembly
not incluuded.) I've come up with the best answer so far; Take a
good, somewhat pricey bike for a ride and if the excellant feel,
positive braking, perfect shifting and great looks of the bike aren't
worth it to you don't buy it. Boy they are to me! The only thing I
can't see alot of value in is the hyperglide/sti stuff. I love index
shifting.

4. Great rides with people who like cycling. The odd thing about this
is that when we are out riding we (cyclists) don't talk much? I
was amazed when last year on the first day of the tour-de-france
Greg LaMond was shooting the breeze with other riders in the pelewhatever
while the breakaway got its now famous 10 minute lead. By the way 
a great ride is anything I can finish with enough dignity to whine
about later. Oh also cyclist (it would appear) love to talk later
about how a ride was, maybe its just me.

Dislikes:

1. Winter, though I can ride in some cold I hate the prospect of winter
coming and 40 degree rides, though I'll still do them it everyone
think I'm something like Hulk Hogan for surviving it.

2. Expensive good stuff. I know we get what we pay for, but I just don't
want to pay alot! Is that sooooooo wroooong?

3. The catalog people who make suggestions that someone put together
for them. Like, "do you have enough tubes for that new tire you just
bought Mr. LeMond?" of course I've got a zillion spare tubes but I
always fall for it and get the zillion-1th.

That should do it for now, but if I have any other likes or dislikes
I'll be sure to let you know.

Fred Mudgett


2088.15"Quiet pelotons" ? whatever next?IDEFIX::HEMMINGSLanterne RougeWed Sep 25 1991 04:0616
Note 2088.14                 Likes/dislikes.........                   
>>4. Great rides with people who like cycling. The odd thing about this
is that when we are out riding we (cyclists) don't talk much? I
was amazed when last year on the first day of the tour-de-france
Greg LaMond was shooting the breeze with other riders in the pelewhatever
while the breakaway got its now famous 10 minute lead. By the way 
a great ride is anything I can finish with enough dignity to whine
about later. Oh also cyclist (it would appear) love to talk later
about how a ride was, maybe its just me.

Not talking!!  I am amazed - one thing about bikies is that they talk all the 
time, but all the time - just ask John, Bill and Rob, even down on the track 
there is a constant buzz going on and the thing is social as well as training.
Perhaps you should try slowing down so you can catch your breath...  I ride on
my own a lot, and I always find it a great pleasure to get company and have a
good chin-wag.
2088.16I'm surprised this wasn't already mentioned!BLUMON::GUGELmarriage:nothing down,lifetime to payWed Sep 25 1991 10:463
    
    dislikes: hills
    
2088.17I like hills!RANGER::PEASLEEWed Sep 25 1991 12:0011
    likes: My new Trek 1420  :^)  ;^)  :^)  ;^)
           Riding in the rain
           Riding in sunny weather
           Clipless petals
           Riding uphill (really!)
           
    dislikes: Rt 62 in Princeton
              Rt 62 in Barre
              Clipless petals (when I can't get my foot out in time!)
              Steep downhills
                                               
2088.18MY COMMENTSAKOCOA::FULLERWed Sep 25 1991 12:3718
    likes: biking friends
           biking vacations (history for me now)
           time pedals
    	   Tandems
    	   honest bike shops
    	   campy bearings
           beautiful winding new england roads
           Vermont
           Hills - when I'm in shape
    	   tailwinds
    
    dislikes: glass
    	      cars
              riding inside rt 495
    	      dishonest bike shops
              
    
    steve	      
2088.19heres a few more...SALEM::ORRISWed Sep 25 1991 13:2224
    
    
    Likes:
    
    -  back country roads on perfect days
    -  no computers / chips are involved  :-)
    -  getting another year out of my old bike
    
    Dislikes:
    
    -  trying to shift to a lower gear and then realizing that Im already there.
    -  pulling out at a stop light in high gear.
    -  chain cleaning
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
2088.20STARCH::WHALENVague clouds of electrons tunneling through computer circuits and bouncing off of satelites.Wed Sep 25 1991 13:355
Likes:		clipless pedals
		only 2 flats in 4400 miles (1 pinch, 1 broken stem)

dislikes:	knee pain
		physical therapy (that I should be doing to avoid the knee pain)
2088.21Have only been biking for 3 months, but so far....WRKSYS::RESKERWed Sep 25 1991 13:3022
Likes:

	Being able to do a hard workout without feeling beat up the next day
		like I do from a hard running workout.
	A quiet, flat, recently paved, country backroad.
	My aero bars (disliked them at first though)
	Having water to drink while you workout (another downside of running)
	Having a large range of routes and going places I'd never go in 
		a car or on foot
	Cycle computers, I love having the data to analyze my workouts

Dislikes:

	The expense of the equipment.
	The fact that money can buy you speed (ie. lighter bike, disk wheels)
	Soaked with sweat from riding up the hill and then freezing as you
	 	ride down the hill.
	Gliding to a halt on my bike with my right foot unsnapped from the
		pedal but the bike leans to the left and I fall flat on
		my face (always with an audience, of course!)

tim
2088.22quo vadis topicus? :-)SHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredWed Sep 25 1991 13:5110
    
    This has turned into a nice topic, but sometimes I get
    nostalgic for Robin's original topic:
    
             "likes/dislikes about *new technology*, etc."
    
    Ah well, I guess people have said all they're going to say
    on that one.
    
    -john
2088.23BLUMON::GUGELmarriage:nothing down,lifetime to payWed Sep 25 1991 14:017
    
    I was specific enough in .16:
    
    likes: downhill (*big* like!)
    
    dislikes: uphill
    
2088.24It was always harder in our dayKIRKTN::GGOODMANNumber 1 in a field of 1Thu Sep 26 1991 06:3138
    
    Likes :
    
    Aero Brake Levers:     Another fan of uncluttered handlebars.
    Cycling Sunglasses:    Here they're not used to keep the sun out of your
                           eyes, but the spray from the guy in front.
    Lace up Cycling Shoes: I can't stand velcro shoes. They don't hold the
    			   foot securely enough, and it's a lot more
    			   expensive to replace worn out velcro than laces.
    
    Dislikes :
    
    Cycling Poseurs: I've said enough about this elsewhere. I am not going
    		     to get worked up about it. I am in a good(ish) mood
    		     today.
    STI levers:      They invented aero levers to leave the bars
    		     unclattered and then destroyed everything with STI.
    Cycling's OAPs:  "I remember in my day we used to get up at 02:30, half
    		     an hour before going to bed. Rode 120 miles to get to
   		     the start of the 100, on fixed of course. And it was
    		     always raining. We rode the 100, got our time and rode
    		     back home in the 6 foot snowdrift and then went to
    		     work down the coal pit without going to bed. Aye, it
    		     was much harder in them days. We couldn't afford the
    		     luxury of a saddle. Had to put up with a sponge tied
    		     on top of the seat post. Don't know you're born you
    		     youngsters." Aaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!
    Summer (July):   It upsets the routine you see.
    
    	What about general likes and dislikes in cycling? What do you get
    from cycling that you couldn't get elsewhere? And what would make you
    pack up the whole game?
    
    	For me I hate the pain. I'll post my answer here when I work out
    the likes bit...
    
    Graham.
     
2088.25MORE FROM MEWMOIS::GIROUARD_CThu Sep 26 1991 07:3929
       Likes:
    
              - new technology
              - hills too!
              - going over 50mph
              - the pain
              - seeing improvement
              - hurting someone on a ride I couldn't keep up with last 
                season
              - heat
              - the feel of sheets just after I've shaved my legs
              - my MERLIN (actually I love it)
              - Time Trials and my 54x12 set-up
              - dropping most of the field in a RR
    
    Dislikes:
    
              - psuedo cyclists
              - comatose drivers
              - wind
              - people who don't appreciate new technology
                (my theory is they don't want to pay for it but really
                 want it)
              - the end  of the season
              - Oprah & Phil while I'm on the trainer (Jan - Feb)
              - High prices too!
              - numb feet
              - squirrels in the pack
              - getting 31 miles on a new Conti and slashing it
2088.26Now you've offended me....IDEFIX::HEMMINGSLanterne RougeThu Sep 26 1991 08:0617
>>    Dislikes :
    
>>    Cycling's OAPs:  "I remember in my day we used to get up at 02:30, half
>>    		     an hour before going to bed. Rode 120 miles to get to
>>   		     the start of the 100, on fixed of course. And it was
>>    		     always raining. We rode the 100, got our time and rode
>>    		     back home in the 6 foot snowdrift and then went to
>>    		     work down the coal pit without going to bed. Aye, it
>>    		     was much harder in them days. We couldn't afford the
>>    		     luxury of a saddle. Had to put up with a sponge tied
>>    		     on top of the seat post. Don't know you're born you
>>    		     youngsters." Aaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!

'ere, you young whipper-snapper, are you taking the Mickey??  If I ever see 
you while I'm out on my Dursley or the Ordinary, I'll hit you with me bugle...

;>)
2088.27MOVIES::WIDDOWSONRod, VMSE-ED013. 824-3391Thu Sep 26 1991 08:3834
    I've been manfully restraining myself from bealin'� about Scottish
    Autumns under dislikes...
    
    For the most part I welcome most of the technological improvements I've
    seen in my brief period as a cyclist.  I'm a techno-weeny so new
    technology is always interesting for itself.....
    
    Aero-bars leave me cold since I have no reason for them, ditto aero-wheels,
    but my Tri-friends swear by them, but thereagain they are probably fit
    enough to profit.  Mountain bike (or rather people who own mountain bikes
    and never take them off road) annoy me.  [Aside: there's a mountain
    biker who goes out with our chaingang who can easily thrash me up& down
    hills]
    
    I like having a 7 speed block and love the feel of SIS.  However I am
    not sure whether this is just that as I become more fanatical I spend
    proportionally more of equipment and what I see is the difference in
    quality between cheap and non-cheap or between old fashioned and new.
    
    One things that does worry me is that as we get more and more
    technological is that it is going to become harder and harder to
    maintain bikes ourselves.  It used to take me a matter of minutes to work
    out what was wrong with some piece of kit and how this should be
    adjusted.  As more and more adjustment point appear it gets harder and
    harder to work out what's going on.  An example would be the ignition
    system in cars over the past 20 years.  (My days says) 20 years ago you
    could fix the contact breakers with a fag packet, how are you going to
    do that with your engine management system ?
    
    rod
    
    �Bealing: A scottish term introduced esp for Graham to show that I am
    (re)assimilating the culture, meaning to complain in a loud and long
    fashion.
2088.28RUTILE::MACFADYENJust react naturally " %DVC-I-BOOKBUILT,Thu Sep 26 1991 08:519
Yes, if you are complaining in a long and loud fashion you are definitely
assimilating Scottish culture.

Don't really agree about modern equipment becoming difficult to maintain
(things like STI shift levers possibly excepted). What things are you
thinking of?


Rod
2088.29MOVIES::WIDDOWSONRod, VMSE-ED013. 824-3391Thu Sep 26 1991 08:585
    It's not that any piece is diffcult *yet* (mind you I wouldn't like to
    debug an avocet alitmeter...) its what may occur soon, based on an
    extrapolation of the current trend...
    
    rod
2088.30TandemsCTHQ3::JENIN::FREREEllas Danzan SolasThu Sep 26 1991 09:5317
Likes:

	Tandem Racing
	Tandem Pace Line
	29 mph Tandem Crit
	Tandem hitting 60 mph down a switchback
	Tandem with 2 kids in a trailer passing a Kestrel (kids waiving bye-bye)
	Lycra on fit people
	New Technology

Dislikes:

	The sound of 2 pedals eating pavement in a corner
	Whining stokers (of course, I don't have that problem ;-))
	Tandem loosing a chain going up hill (but funny to watch)
	Lycra of "not-so" fit people (diplomatic)
	Keeping up with new technology ($$)
2088.31RUSTIE::NALESue Nale MildrumThu Sep 26 1991 11:0018
Likes:
	going up a hill and feeling good about it
	my new Bianchi
	gel saddles built for women ;^)
	being able to eat whatever I want
	indexed shifting
	Look pedals
	crits

Dislikes:
	going up a hill and sounding like a steam engine
	forgetting that when I take a break from biking I *can't*
		eat whatever I want %^(
	dirty chains
	forgetting to turn my computer on
	flatting on the way to work
	chainring marks on my legs	
2088.32MOVIES::WIDDOWSONRod, VMSE-ED013. 824-3391Thu Sep 26 1991 11:415
    recently discovered dislike:
    	The first hill of the first run for a fortnight (especially when
    one was reasonably fit 14 days ago)
    
    ...sigh
2088.33how about.....SUSHI::KMACDONALDsushi: not just for breakfast!Thu Sep 26 1991 11:588
On the orig. topic.....

   DISlike:
            new technology
   Like:
            old technology

  ken-whose-18yr-old-derailleur-works-better-every-year-on-his-10-speed-:-)
2088.34Where's Rob's buspass :*)KURMA::GGOODMANNumber 1 in a field of 1Thu Sep 26 1991 12:0517
    
    Rob,
    
    That's the sign of something hitting home. I never mentioned your name
    (OK, so it was more than a passing thought) but automatically something
    triggered off an emotion. Was it remembering those long, dark nights
    riding up the A1 to the start (weren't allowed a strip in them days)
    scared that Dick Turpin might pinch your tubs? By the way, have you
    still got that front light with the candle? :*)
    
    Rod,
    
    There was a 'welcome' and a 'like' in that note. You've got a bit to
    go...
    
    Graham.
    
2088.35TINCUP::MFORBESThis Space Intentionally Left BlankThu Sep 26 1991 14:2913
Likes:
	Riding hills and passes
	Aluminum frames
	Inexed shifing
        Eating ice cream after a good ride
	Breaking the previous years PRs

Dislikes:
	Gel seats
	Flat tires
	Wind (seems to ALWAYS be windy in Colorado)
	Getting caught in a thunderstorm
	Cars that come up behind you and honk
2088.36Plain CyclingMAIL::DURLINGFri Sep 27 1991 12:2126
    Likes:
    
    		Indexed Shifting
    		A fast pace line
    		Sunny Days
    		Hills
    		A strong plains Tail Wind in excess of 20 MPH
    		Any time I can get out and ride
    		Long club training rides 
    		People's expressions when they find out that Nebraska is
    		hilly
    
    Dislike:
    
    		Unwraping Power Bars on the fly
    		Flats in winter & and a bad spare & no dry place to sit
    		while patching your tube		
    		Winters in Nebraska
    		Nebraska plains winds that come roaring down out of
    		Colorado
    		Cost of everything associated with our sport nowadays
    		I especially dislike double trailers hauling a load messy farm critters
    		passing inches away from my left side, on a rainy day.
    
    
    
2088.37YNGSTR::BROWNSat Sep 28 1991 00:4510
     Likes:
       Squishing caterpillars trying to cross the road
       Drafting a police cruiser across town
       Apple trees close to the road
       Passing mopeds
       Picking up golf balls along fairways and riding like hell
       Scoring with the Zefal Metal Tube Dog Whacker
       Giving directions to lost drivers, anticipating they're dyslexic
    
     So what's there not to like?  -kb
2088.38Anyone seen my teeth?UKCSSE::ROBINSONTwitching the night away...Mon Sep 30 1991 08:2711
    Keeping in the spirit of .24 (and the base note):
    
    Likes:	Pneumatic tyres
    		3-speed gears
    		Cable brakes
    
    Dislikes:	Drop handlebars
    		Equal sized wheels
    		Derailleur gears
    
    Chris (Cycling OAP)
2088.39...and where do you like to go??CTHQ3::JENIN::FREREEllas Danzan SolasMon Sep 30 1991 17:0312
Re: .37

Speaking of giving directions to lost drivers.  Not enjoying being stopped for 
directions (especially when I have a good pace going), I get off my bike and 
politely help them out by first giving them a very long, detailed route and 
finally finishing off with something like:  "...and you know when you get to 
the white church?  Well, the place you are looking for is nowhere near there".
I then give them the proper directions which is usually much simpler...

Ok, so I'm a little twisted...

Eric_Rand_McNally_Frere
2088.40RYKO::NANCYBclient surferWed Oct 16 1991 00:468
    
    
    	I appreciated cycling before I ever enjoyed cycling
    	solely because of its wonderful contribution to men's
    	clothing fashion:  biker shorts.  
    
					nancy b.
    
2088.41Who wants to testify??CTHQ3::JENIN::FREREEllas Danzan SolasWed Oct 16 1991 17:4110
Re: .40

Isn't that typical of women to make such a sexist remark.  Where is Judge 
Clarence Thomas when you need him??  I want to file sexual harrassement charges.

;-)

Eric

P.S. And you thought that THIS notefile was safe...
2088.42I always knew there was a reason I shaved my legsMOVIES::WIDDOWSONRod, VMSE-ED013. 824-3391Wed Oct 16 1991 18:131
    It made my day tho' :-)
2088.43RYKO::NANCYBclient surferWed Oct 16 1991 19:207
    
    
    		Oh geezums !  ;-P
    
    		(glad to see the smiley, Eric ;-)
    		
    
2088.44Surgery only solutionIDEFIX::HEMMINGSLanterne RougeThu Oct 17 1991 05:206

If only I could get the body transplant, I could use up some of the excess
cholesterol....

Sorry, wrong note...     ;>)
2088.45Its only the beginning!RANGER::PEASLEEFri Oct 18 1991 13:414
    Re: .40  Shame on you Nancy!!!!  Do I have to keep you in line
    in THIS notesfile too???
    
    (The other) Nancy  ;^)
2088.46BALMER::MUDGETTOne Lean, Mean Whining MachineFri Oct 18 1991 22:2967
Hello again,

So you all thought I was done thinking eh? Well I've got lots more 
likes and dislikes and the entire stinking weekend to type.....

More Likes:

Like #1: Cork handlebar wrapping tape. Though I have to say it sure gets
dirty quickly and I have to change it every 6 months or so. I 
couldn't believe that cycling stud John Ellis didn't use gloves 
and now with the help of this tape I don't use gloves either. While
I am liking this I have to add someone mentioned a crash they had because
they noticed the tape unraveling. Well I've had tape unravel and can
imagine the awful consequences of trying to fix it on the fly.

Like #2: Hills. Really I hate them because they make me sound like 
(in the imortal words of an eariler noter) a steam engine. I was up
in Mass for a couple of weeks and the terrain was fairly flat when I
got home I did a really flat century. I thought I'd never say it but
I was tired of flat riding. Here in Maryland there are hills everywhere
and I can go 40 mph downhill and 5 mph going up. 

Like #3: Biking Vacations. I did the Bike Ride Across Georgia the last 
3 years. What a great way to spend a week. Similarly our family goes to
the beach and I spend the week wondering how wealthy one has to be to 
afford staying on the beach for a week and get a tan, BORING. I think
the world of my family for coming along with me to The Hotter than Hell
Hundred in Texas, that was a bit much for only one days riding. This year
I'm going to RAGBRAI. See the world on a bike, what a concept!

Like #4: Cycling Trinkets. My favorite of course are patches, but I'll
take Tee-shirts or whatever. Waterbottles?! I could outfit the Deasert
Storm with all the waterbottles I've gotten in rides. Patches must be
a real pain in the butt to have made because almost none of the rides I
did this year had them. 

Like #5: Goals. Geeze I've never paid any attention to working tword
anything, I took 13 years to get my degree and that was okay with me. 
I've actually had vacation that I never used or got paid for. Well since
I've got turned onto cycling everything has goals. The first one was to 
survive the BRAG then I got turned onto the BICYCLING Mag. golden wheel award
which is given for going 10,000 miles. They will actually print the names
of those who finish it! Another goal was to go faster than 10 mph average
speed on rides. Gosh its fun.

Dislike #1: People stopping me to ask directions. Why do we get quizzed
for directions? It usually happens when I'm cruising along at an
amazing speed and some rattletrap car stops along side me and asks for 
directions. No problem I figure we really need all the friends we can 
get in this hobby, but the people have opinions about my directions!
"Well," I want to say, "if you're so danged sure of where your going
don't bother me!"

Dislike #2: Listening to the family whining about how bad I smell
after a ride. It must be signifcant becuase they all seem to notice!

Dislike #3: Imagine if you would, you are on a century and you know like
none of the people you are riding with. A couple comes along
side and they are both wearing cycling pants and tee shirts. One has a 
ponytail the other has short hair. Which one is the man? Well in most
of the cases I've seen that you'd be wrong. It seems like all the guys
with ponytails wear them out and woman with long hair tuck it under their
helmet. Sooooo embarrassing. I guess we need to be more sexually aware.

Fred Mudgett


2088.47heres my so whatCOMET::VOITLSat Oct 26 1991 00:4210
    LIKES: My Trek 2100
           My Alpine Star(roc shox equip'd)
           Grunting up hill in a head wind
           Screaming down hill with a tailwind
           New technology
    
    Disdlikes: CARS!!
               Slowpokes on single track decentes
               Riders that cann't hold a line
               
2088.48BIOPACE STINKSCOMET::VOITLSat Oct 26 1991 09:043
    OH YEAH I FORGOT 
    STRONG DISLIKE:
                    BIOPACE(UTTER JUNK)
2088.49responses...SHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredFri Nov 08 1991 17:2445
    
    Greetings Fred!
    
>Note 2088.46                 Likes/dislikes.........                 46 of 48
>BALMER::MUDGETT "One Lean, Mean Whining Machine"     67 lines  18-OCT-1991 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Like #1: Cork handlebar wrapping tape. ... While
>I am liking this I have to add someone mentioned a crash they had because
>they noticed the tape unraveling. Well I've had tape unravel and can
>imagine the awful consequences of trying to fix it on the fly.

    You are doubtless recalling the case of Greg LeMond.  How unfortunate
    that a preoccupation of this type could precipitate the downturn in
    Greg's career, as one could logically infer from his downward slide
    in the succeeding TdF stages. :-)
    
>Like #4: Cycling Trinkets. My favorite of course are patches, but I'll
>take Tee-shirts or whatever. Waterbottles?! I could outfit the Deasert
>Storm with all the waterbottles I've gotten in rides. Patches must be
>a real pain in the butt to have made because almost none of the rides I
>did this year had them. 

    Ed Fisher showed me some enamel pins the GSW had made up. (With his
    mileage, he has a sizable collection.)  Might be a good idea for the 
    Solstice Centuries and other "beyond the call of duty-or-reason"
    rides.  The ACP (Audax Club Parisien) gives out similar but larger,
    heavier enamelled medals for doing as little as 200km.
    
>Dislike #3: Imagine if you would, you are on a century and you know like
>none of the people you are riding with. A couple comes along
>side and they are both wearing cycling pants and tee shirts. One has a 
>ponytail the other has short hair. Which one is the man? Well in most
>of the cases I've seen that you'd be wrong. It seems like all the guys
>with ponytails wear them out and woman with long hair tuck it under their
>helmet. Sooooo embarrassing. I guess we need to be more sexually aware.
    
    A cycling partner recently said she used to wear earrings, hoping
    they would identify her as a female to the rescue squad should she
    come to grief on the roadway in winter (bundled up in lots of clothing).
    But she's given it up -- useless, she says, with all those males wearing
    earrings. Plus which, the earring posts conducted winter cold only 
    too well.
    
    -john
2088.50reviving likes/dislikesCOOKIE::MUNNSdaveFri Mar 29 1996 17:3416
    Likes:  
       Steep uphills - make those quads burn !
       Steeper downhills
       Speed
       Cold, windy, snowy, icy weather - bundle up and enjoy.
       Warm, sunny weather
       Challenging trails 
       Adventures on wheels - new roads/trails
       Bike travel stories
       Bike commutes to/from work
       Good health
                      
    Dislikes:
       Rain, lightning, hail
       Combustine engines (I mow the lawn with a human powered push mower)
       HW-centric thinking - boring and mostly insignificant, IMO 
2088.51FINS::SLABOUNTYDon't drink the (toilet) water.Fri Mar 29 1996 18:039
    
       >Steep uphills - make those quads burn !
       >Cold, windy, snowy, icy weather - bundle up and enjoy.
    
    
    	Must be something funky in that Colorado water.
    
    	8^)