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1966.1 | a few suggestions | SHALOT::ELLIS | John Lee Ellis - assembly required | Wed Jun 12 1991 17:19 | 14 |
|
My preference is for the micro-shell. It doesn't get as grungy
looking, and may offer a bit more protection than soft-shell
with a cover. If money were no object, I'd recommend the
Time Equipe, which cools extremely well. But there are other
helmets about as good, I'm sure, including some Giro. Also
look at the Leader helmets - at least in catalogues, they
look like good helmets.
If you are trying the helmet, test it not only for static fit,
but also take around the block to see if it seats well in the
wind and cools you.
-john
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1966.2 | | DATABS::HETRICK | PedalShiftPedalPedalShiftPedalBrakePedalPedal... | Wed Jun 12 1991 18:17 | 4 |
| Also, the V1-Pro used to be a fairly heavy helmet, which is really noticeable
on a long ride.
I'd go for either a no-shell or a micro-shell, and within that go for fit.
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1966.3 | Micro-shell? | POBOX::CERVON | | Wed Jun 12 1991 18:30 | 9 |
| RE: .2
What's a micro-shell? Is that the thin casing over the foam? How does
the V1-Pro differ from this?
Also, I was told the V1 was only 1 ounce heavier than the Quest. That
doesn't sound like much.
-larry
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1966.4 | microshell | OXNARD::KLEE | Ken Lee | Wed Jun 12 1991 19:26 | 13 |
| Microshell is a very thin layer of plastic that is either taped or
glued to the foam. The major purpose of the microshell is to hold the
foam together in a crash. It also protects it from minor bumps (e.g.,
trees). Most people prefer microshell-covered foam to lycra-covered
foam (as in the Bell Quest helmet) because the microshell allows better
ventilation and more protection against rought handling.
On weight, most lycra-covered or microshell-covered helmets weigh 7 to
9 ounces (real weight, not advertised weight). Hardshell helmets
(e.g., the Bell V1Pro) weigh 15 to 20 ounces. Pick one up. The
difference is very noticable.
Ken
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1966.5 | MANY FACTORS... | WMOIS::C_GIROUARD | | Thu Jun 13 1991 08:59 | 21 |
| As you've probably read, there are a number of components to
consider:
- ANSI/SNELL approved (a must!)
- Type of riding
- Cost
- Weight
- Ventilation requirement
- Cosmetics
- Fit
Not necessarily in that order and defintely connected to the type
and amount of riding to be done...
Chip
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1966.6 | Micro-shell .. by Bell? | POBOX::CERVON | | Thu Jun 13 1991 16:56 | 7 |
| RE: .4
Does Bell make a micro-shell helmet? what's it called?
Thanks once again,
Larry
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1966.7 | The Image | DEBUG::SCHULDT | I'm Occupant! | Thu Jun 13 1991 17:31 | 1 |
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1966.8 | Caveat: One Biased Consumer Reporting In | DELNI::GRACE | | Fri Jun 14 1991 00:48 | 20 |
| I have owned 2 Bell V1 Pros and my wife now has one also. They fit better
than any of the others and adjustments were relatively easy on both of
our helmets. The foam and the outer shell coming apart easily is
a non-issue from my view. I have never had a problem with this in the
3 years I'vew owned them.
I had a fall with that helmet on 2 yrs. ago. If you want your noggin
protected from concussion, this helmet is as good as any. I got up and
walked home. The helmet saved me from a moderate concussion. My wife
is a nurse who treats head-injured patients, coincidentally. She examined
me and the helmet after the incident and felt that the $40 investment
saved me a good lengthy stay in the hospital, at the least.
There are lighter and cooler helmets which might save one from discomfort
from the summer heat. Try a few on at Bike Trashbar or your local biking
establishment and see how it fits you. I wouldn't concern yourself
over a few ounces here or there, unless you do more than 2 hour rides
regularly. Even then, I find the added weight is barely noticeable.
Russ
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1966.9 | I vote for the Bell Image! | SALEM::SHAW | Vertical Obsession... | Fri Jun 14 1991 09:16 | 17 |
|
RE: Bell Image,
I have several helmets but my favourite is the Bell image. Reason, the
fit. The helmet comes with some different thickness foam pads which
are verlcroed to the inside of the helmet. You can switch them around
to get the perfect fit. Not everyone has the same shape head and this
way you are garunteed to find your combination.
As a pointer, check out your local hostpital. The emergency room or
incoming patients usually have discount coupons for helmets good for
any helmet of your choice at any bike shops. The discount coupons are
anywheres from $10.00 to $25.00 off the actual price.
Shaw
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1966.10 | Notes from a lecture | ULTRA::WITTENBERG | Uphill, Into the Wind | Fri Jun 14 1991 12:25 | 49 |
| I was at a talk by Randy Swart of the Bicycle Helmet Safety
Institute this weekend, and one of the things he talked about was
picking a helmet.
The first thing to look for is a Snell sticker. ANSI certification
is much less rigorous than Snell. Snell charges $.50 per sticker,
which probably costs about $1.00 to $1.50 retail. They also spot
check helmets from stores to make sure that the helmets really
meet the standard.
There is a 1990 Snell standard. Helmets which meet it have a blue
sticker which says B90 on the inside. This replaces the green
sticker from the B84 (1984) standard. The changes are not major.
The next thing to look for is a good fit. This is why you should
take advice about particular helmets very loosly. The helmet
should protect your forehead, and when the straps are on it should
not slide back on your head more than 1 inch when you push it
back. The U.S. Army has 4 different helmet shapes, as well as
different sizes, so you may find that what fits one person well
won't fit another at all.
A helmet should not fall apart on impact incase there is a second
impact (common in auto-bike accidents, the biker hits the car,
possibly with his head, and then hits the ground). The two ways to
achieve this are through a shell (hard or "thin") or through
reinforcing an all foam helmet. The new ANSI standard (due out
soon) will require reinforcing in all foam helmets.
The consensus seems to be that thin shell helmets offer almost as
much protection as hard shells, and are somewhat superior to all
foam helmets. Hard shells seem to have disappeared from the
market.
Tests on ventilation have shown that the only thing that matters
in keeping cool is vents in the front of the helmet. All the
advertising noise about venturis and so on is just noise. There's
a new helmet out (I forgot the name) with 3 huge vents in the
front. Looking at it you'd be surprised that it passes the Snell
tests, but it does, so if it fits, I'd look at it.
Old Bell Biker helmets seem to age remarkably little. A very used
yellowed Bell Biker was tested and it provided about as much
protection as it did when it was new. The newer helmets provide
more protection, but the Bikers are not deteriorating much, if at
all.
--David
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1966.11 | | ULTRA::WITTENBERG | Uphill, Into the Wind | Fri Jun 14 1991 12:28 | 7 |
| Re: .9 (hospitals giving discout coupons for helmets)
One of the standard comments you hear is that nobody every
complains about the cost of his second helmet. (The one that
replaced one broken in an accident.)
--David
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1966.12 | for kids? | VAXWRK::OXENBERG | | Wed Jun 19 1991 13:56 | 5 |
|
Any recommendations on helmets for kids? Their ages range from
6-9 years? Any help would be appreciated.
/Phil
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1966.13 | | ULTRA::WITTENBERG | Uphill, Into the Wind | Wed Jun 19 1991 15:11 | 9 |
| By that age they should be strong enough to use a hard shell
helmet, and I would recommend one because it will take the
constant dings when they drop it or otherwise mistreat it. Many
hardshells allow you to add stickers to the helmet, and that might
help personalize it so the kids are more willing to wear it.
(Check with the manufacturer on what kinds of sticers are
allowed.)
--David
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1966.14 | dings | SHALOT::ELLIS | John Lee Ellis - assembly required | Wed Jun 19 1991 20:58 | 8 |
|
A friend at work was just looking for a child's helmet, and
had the same advice (she doesn't ride, by the way): Avoid
the soft-shells, because they'll get dinged before the day is
out. And if you go for a micro-shell, think about one that
exposes as little of the foam as possible.
-john
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1966.15 | on the other hand . . . | SOLVIT::LANDRY | | Wed Jul 10 1991 09:45 | 10 |
|
Two of my kids have the Performance soft shell helmets, 'cause
they seemed to be a decent helmet for cheap at the time. They
abuse them pretty good and they've held up real well. The only
problem is the the Velcro-like patches that hold the cover came
unstuck and needed to be reglued. Dings in the foam hasn't
been a big problem.
chris
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1966.16 | This happened to me two days ago. | CTHULU::YERAZUNIS | Confusion will be my epitaph. | Thu Aug 15 1991 14:27 | 87 |
| I sent this out yesterday to friends. I guess I should put it here
too. The actual accident below happened on Tuesday, August 13, 1991.
Yeah, you're right. Nobody ever complains about how expensive their
_second_ helmet was.
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From: GUESS::YERAZUNIS "A spectre of revenge, riding the flow tide home. 14-Aug-1991 2256" 14-AUG-1991 23:33:56.73
To: @IN_HUMOR,@OUT_HUMOR,DECWRL::"[email protected]"
CC: YERAZUNIS
Subj: real life up close personal not funny just scary...
[I'm sending this to my "humor" lists, even though it's not funny. Sorry.
It's real. No embellishments. If you've had a rotten day already, you
may as well read this... it won't make it worse. At least _much_ worse.]
On the way back from a picnic, I was ripping down a hill on my bicycle
at around 33 MPH. I stopped just fine at the light beyond the bottom of
the hill. Unfortunately, a biking companion who didn't believe in
bike helmets didn't. She ended up in a pile on the pavement about
twenty feet behind me. She was going like 10 MPH and just fell off
the bike.
I heard the clatter of her bike hitting the ground (and being stopped)
turned back to look. She was on the asphalt in a pile. Her bike
was on the curb.
I said "Oh ****" and dropped my bike. When I got to her, she was
grunting. She was breathing and her airway was clear but she couldn't
make any sort of coordinated sound or motion. She was trying to crawl
but her arms wouldn't cooperate. She was bleeding from a lot of random
cuts and her shirt was already 20% blood soaked.
I said "Oh ****" again. Head injury. Scene survey: no cars coming.
No cars in targeting range. She did this one by herself... and I don't
need to move her immediately. She's breathing and grunting. Aphasic?
Primary survey- no arterial pumping, no obvious fractures that gotta
be tended immediately- but a very suspicious looking wound (deep,
bloody, and _indented_) on the right temple. Blood everywhere. Guy
in a pickup with a cellphone pulls up. He says "Ambulance?". "Yep."
He calls it in and blocks the roadway so we can't get hit by traffic
directly.
She won't stay still. I *know* she's got some brain problem, and there's no
need to move her, so I try to talk to her and tell her to keep still for
a bit. She can't understand me. Aphasic. She keeps trying to stand up,
but her balance and coordination are shot. She wobbles to the side of the
road with much assistance and sits down again. I get through the primary
survey... lots of superficial stuff except for the head shot. I look in
her eyes - pupils are the same size and she's starting to make coherent
noises. I ask her her name. She can't remember. Thirty seconds later,
she can remember her name, but not her birthday. An EMT shows up. He says
"I'm an EMT". I say "Bike accident, no helmet, head injury, disoriented.
And uncooperative. I haven't found anything else significant. She's all
yours." He does a quick survey too, pulls out his box, and bandages
the head wound.
Ambulance shows up. She goes on the gurney and into the back door. I go
up front and ride to the hospital. Spend three hours making the
necessary phone calls. They do the triage thing and the radiology
thing and the neurology thing and the plastic surgery thing. Three
hours later, she's vaguely aware of events at the picnic. +- 1 hour
of the crash is still not there. She has 19 stitches in her face and
a definite concussion (no fracture). I recover my bike and go for pizza
and beer.
The real waste is that if she'd been wearing a bicycle helmet she
would have walked away from the accident with a little road rash and
a really MEAN attitude. And that's it. No brain damage, no plastic
surgery needed.
A mutual friend who she goes biking with a lot says that just the day
before, she and he were discussing bicycle helmets. She says she's
"waiting for a sale" before she buys one.
Bad move.
I have no idea if she will have residual brain damage or not. Hopefully
not. They did have to do some trimming to make her face fit back together
again.
*****WEAR YOUR ****ING HELMETS!!***** I HATE DEALING WITH BRAIN-DAMAGED
PEOPLE!!!
-Bill
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1966.17 | | LJOHUB::CRITZ | | Thu Aug 15 1991 14:46 | 7 |
| VeloNews or someone had a joke:
"Whadaya call a cyclist without a helmet"
"Organ donor."
Scott
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1966.18 | second usage here. | YNGSTR::BROWN | | Fri Aug 16 1991 13:01 | 7 |
| I recently needed my helmet for [only] the second time in its
eight years... pedal caught the curve after taking a high speed
turn too wide and I faceplanted up on the sidewalk. Having a
helmet does have it's drawbacks: if you're not injured, the only
thing left to be is embarrassed... I just felt like slithering
into a sewer grate and hiding there til dark. -kb
P.S. The sidewalk was ok.
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1966.19 | | BLUMON::GUGEL | Adrenaline: my drug of choice | Mon Aug 19 1991 09:54 | 11 |
|
re .16: I am curious to know how the helmet would have
prevented your companion from needing facial plastic surgery.
I don't see how they protect one's face at all. My problem
with helmets is that they don't protect enough of you!
I had a bike accident 6 years ago and was wearing a helmet
which didn't do *shit* for my mouth where a tooth was
bashed out and I needed lots of dental surgery. I can't
see how it would protect a face or nose either.
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1966.20 | temple | DANGER::JBELL | Zeno was almost here | Mon Aug 19 1991 10:35 | 10 |
| > re .16: I am curious to know how the helmet would have
> prevented your companion from needing facial plastic surgery.
He said that the only major wound was at the right temple.
(I assume that this is the part that needed the surgery.)
-Jeff Bell
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1966.21 | Jason Mask | DEALIN::RICE | | Mon Aug 19 1991 11:14 | 16 |
| I don't see how any helmet is going to protect your teeth!
Maybe you should try wearing a mouth guard if you want protection.
My wife made my son (6 year old) wear his hockey helmet, with the face
mask, till he got used to his new bike. Now, given the choice, he usually
prefers the hockey helmet over the bike helmet. He says it feels better!
I don't know if anyone has done any crash tests of hockey helmets with
bike riders. I'd be curious to know if they provide an equal, or greater,
level of protection. I know the face mask is a plus and the helmet covers
more of the skull. I don't know if it can handle the same level of crash
impact, I would think it did but I'd like to hear any thoughts/facts.
One disadvantage of the hockey helmet is that it does get hot under there.
Another point is you can look pretty scary to some driver wearing one of
these cages on your face.
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1966.22 | Hockey helmets not suitable for bicycles | ULTRA::WITTENBERG | Uphill, Into the Wind | Tue Aug 20 1991 09:12 | 20 |
| Hockey helmets are designed to deal with repeated low energy blows
by spreading the area that absorbs the energy.
Bicycle helmets are designed to deal with a single high energy
blow by absorbing energy (using that energy to destroy the
helmet).
Neither helmet is suitable for the other use. If you want more
protection than a bicycle helmet offers, motorcycle helmets are
designed for the same sorts of accidents that bicycle helmets are
designed for, except that the motorcycle helmet assumes a much
more energetic accident. Motorcycle helmets are much hotter and
heavier than bicycle helmets, but if you want more protection on
your bicycle, they will help.
Personally, I use a Snell approved helmet, since that is enough in
the vast majority of bicycle accidents. It won't protect my teeth,
but it will protect my brain.
--David
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1966.23 | Another crash story | TINCUP::MFORBES | This Space Intentionally Left Blank | Tue Aug 20 1991 09:19 | 20 |
| Recently I had the misfortune of needing my melmet, a Bell Quest. I was
decending Vail pass via the bike path and my speed before the incident was 33
mph. I was braking for an upcoming curve when I hit a very small amount of
sand and the rear wheel started skidding, sending me sliding sideways towards
two large rocks (4 ft in diameter) and a small (5 ft) pine tree.
I instinctively got off of the brakes and got the bike almost straightened up.
Too late. I hit the tree and one of the rocks. I came off of the bike (Look
pedals release just fine in a crash) flew through the air about 15 ft and
landed head first on the ground. I was out for a few seconds but sustained
very little damage, some road rash and sore neck/upper back muscles,
considering the severity of the crash.
The helmet cracked from front to back just like it was designed to do. It
stayed all in one peice and had several dents from smaller rocks when I
impacted. That helmet saved me from far more severe injuries.
Wear those helmets.
Mark
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1966.24 | BMX helmets? | SHALOT::TAYLOR | Liver long and prostate - 393-7368 | Tue Aug 20 1991 09:50 | 4 |
| Just out of curiosity, would the helmet that they use in
BMX racing meet the needs of .19's son? I am unfamiliar
with them, but they seem to have been designed for just
that purpose.
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1966.25 | Temple hits and helmets. | CTHULU::YERAZUNIS | Miskatonic U. motto: 'The Truth Shall Make You Flee' | Tue Aug 20 1991 13:51 | 12 |
| re [back a few...]
The temple wound would have been up underneath the helmet (at least it
would be on my venerable Bell Tourlite.)
Second, it's unclear to me whether the temple wound was the cause of
the concussion. Sorry, but I didn't have tail-facing video at the
time. :-)
By the way, she's up and around now- I think she's even at work today.
-Bill
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1966.26 | | BOOKS::BAILEYB | Let my inspiration flow ... | Wed Aug 21 1991 11:38 | 51 |
| In the couple of weeks since I first read this note, I've been keeping
track, taking a (completely unscientific) survey of the cyclists I see
when I'm riding or driving my car ... with and without helmets. Some of
these are probably the same people counted more than once, as I tend to
take similar routes all the time and I'm sure others do too. Even with
such a small sampling, there are some interesting trends.
Category with helmets without helmets
-------- ------------ ---------------
adult male 21 23
adult female 18 5
children 4 17
--------- ------------ ---------------
total 43 45
Based on the difference in ratio between adult males and adult females
who wear helmets, I'd say there's some basis in fact to the Grateful
Dead song "Women are Smarter" ... ;^) Perhaps wearing a helmet is
interpreted by some as not macho, and so some adult males tend to avoid it
due more to social pressure than common sense ... pure speculation on
my part of course. Surely cost can't be that much of an issue, since a
helmet costs a small fraction of what some of those bikes cost.
It was surprising to me that so few children wear helmets ... after all
they're out there on the same streets as the rest of us. Even more
surprising was that two of the four children who did have helmets were
riding with adults (presumably their parents) who did not ... not very
good examples if you ask me.
I suspect that with the kids it's that most parents don't ride, and
tend to think of bikes as toys that do not require much in the way of
safety gear. Perhaps they recall the old days when they were kids with
bikes and NOBODY wore helmets. It'd be nice if there were more effort
put into educating kids to wear helmets. Personally, I'd like to see
them all grow up to the point where they could make informed decisions
of their own about personal safety.
I personally would not go out riding without a helmet, but I oppose any
law that requires them. Basically I don't think legislation is the way
to go ... social pressure and common sense should be the determining
factor. I think that parents should encourage (or pressure) their kids
into wearing helmets, 'cause kids don't have much of a sense of self
preservation in the first place and have to have time to develop one.
With adults it's a different attitude, as they're presumably better
equipped to make informed decisions about such things. If people are
dumb enough to go out riding without one, well let evolution take it's
toll. Better that than having some legislator deciding what's best for
everybody. Like seat belts, I think it's good common sense but should
be left up to the individual.
... Bob
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1966.27 | Specialized AIR FORCE II | MVSX00::MVSX02::GISLER | "need speed" | Mon Aug 26 1991 05:47 | 19 |
|
Hi everybody
I would like to buy the Specialized AIR FORCE II Helmet. But here
in Switzerland, they are so expensive (about 160 Swiss Francs =
about 105 dollars).
Maybe my sister, living in Los Angeles and coming for vacantion to
Switzerland, could bring me one over. So I would like to have the
following informations:
- what's about the price in the States for this helmet ?
- where in Los Angeles (or Beverly Hills) is it available ?
- does some body have experience wearing it; how is the
ventilation and are the front holes large enough ?
Thanks for all the information you can give me.
Norbert
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1966.28 | | WLDWST::POLLARD | | Mon Aug 26 1991 13:36 | 3 |
| Air Force II - ventilation is great, it looks good, and it
is sized slightly smaller than the Air Force I. I'm not quite sure what
retail is. Maybe $60-70?
|
1966.29 | Summer helmet ? | MOVIES::PAXTON | Mind my harp! | Tue Jul 28 1992 09:48 | 26 |
| All right, so it's 1992, but things haven't changed too much :-)
I'm looking for a summer helmet, i.e. light and ventilated for
labouring up Alpine/Pyreneen cols day after day in August. My
current Bell Spectrum is quite light, but it gets hot and the
velcro pads irritate my head after an hour or two. Also, I could
do with a bit more ear-clearance for the Blades.
I have a shortlist of 3 for now:
Specialized Sub-6 -
very light. how well ventilated is it ? is the grey colour
light enough not to absorb sunlight ?
Giro Air-Attack SC -
advertised heavily as being well-ventilated. A tad heavier.
lots of colours, so I presume a predominantly white one can be
got.
Time Equipe -
May be more difficult to get hold of one. But, it's white and
reputed as being very cool. What's the weight like ?
If you can think of any other light, cool, and expensive helmets
please add them to my list. Does anyone know what Chiappa's helmet was
for (most of) the stage to Sestrieres ?
---Alan
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1966.30 | Trek Micro | ODIXIE::RRODRIGUEZ | Where's that Tour d' France thang? | Tue Jul 28 1992 10:08 | 6 |
| Have you seen a Trek Micro? Lots of ear clearance and very
light. I don't know about ventilation, but I don't think
I've seen a "styro-helmet" that I'd describe as having poor
ventilation.
r�
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1966.31 | | VO2MAX::DELORIEA | I've got better things to do. | Tue Jul 28 1992 11:06 | 25 |
| Alan,
I have an Air-Attack SC and the old Giro Prolight. The Air Attack's vetilation
is second to none. When my hair is short I can really feel the air flowing
across the top of my head. Although when my hair gets long it clogs the ports
and it isn't as noticable. The vents are in the right place to force the air
through the helmet. Vents on the forehead part of the helmet seem to be the most
important. The Giro fits better than the other helmets I've tried. I also like
the thin EPS shell for looks and keeping it clean, but be careful not to bang it
against sharp objects, it is very thin. Also there was talk about the foam
only helmets "sticking" to the road surface and causing neck injuries during
a crash. This might be why you see most helmets going to the thin EPS shell.
The Time helmet can be found around the local shops here in Mass. I tried it on
before I bought the Air Attack. It didn't fit right.
Once you narrow your choices down go for the best fitting helmet. You don't want
to keep adjusting the helmet while you ride because it keeps moving around on
your head. I can put my Air Attack on without the straps buckled and shake my
head around and it stays in place.
I kept my Prolight for winter riding. I bought a Giro "Weather Warrior" helmet
cover for it. It also serves as a loaner and backup.
Tom
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1966.32 | FIT IS A PERSONAL THING | AKOCOA::FULLER | | Tue Jul 28 1992 12:17 | 8 |
| I tried both the Air Attack and the Time, finding that the Time fit
me a lot better. Weight is exactly the same.
Those in the US, look in Velonews ads if you are looking for bargains.
O'neils and a few other shops are listing '91 black time equipe
for $49.99.
steve
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1966.33 | Some more to consider | VOGON::REEVE | An intellectual carrot? The mind boggles. | Wed Jul 29 1992 05:57 | 14 |
| Alan,
I certainly back up the recommendation to get a helmet that fits comfortably.
It doesn't matter how light and cool it is if you're not wearing it!
Also, Cycling Plus in the U.K. has just done an overview of the current range
of helmets. They highlighted two as very good for cooling and comfort generally
- the Bell Cyclone (~�38) and the Giro ?? (~�70). Guess which one I would go
for? Anyway, they said the Bell was extremely good for the money, while the
Giro was fantastic but ought to be for that price.
Hope that helps.
Tim
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1966.34 | IT'S ALWAYS WHAT Y-O-U WANT! | WMOIS::GIROUARD_C | | Wed Jul 29 1992 07:48 | 7 |
| What you like and what's comfortable... I second that!
My guess is the average human won't detect differences of a few
degrees. I do wish they'd tell us what the specific unit of measure
is that classifies grading categories...
Chip
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1966.35 | Hard-shell helmet REQUIRED for a rally??? | SCAACT::AINSLEY | Less than 150 kts is TOO slow | Mon Aug 03 1992 00:21 | 18 |
| I was just about to sign up for another ride in September when I found
what I thought was the standard "You must wear a helmet" clause. No
problem, I always wear a helmet and won't let my daughter ride without
hers. Then I re-read it. It said "hard-shell helmet" required. Now
wait a minute. If both the hard-shell and lycra covered helmet are
ANSI/SNELL approved, why should they require a hard-shell helmet? I
sorta remember something about the lycra covered helmet possibly not
sliding as well as the hard-shell helmet in some skidding-type
accidents, thus causing neck injuries, or something like that.
Is there a significant increase in protection from the hard-shell (I
really mean a micro-shell) helmet over the foam/lycra-cover helmet?
Did the ride organizers have too many lawyers involved in this event?
Should I go out and replace both my and my daughters helmets?
Thanks,
Bob
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1966.36 | | MOVIES::WIDDOWSON | Its (IO$_ACCESS|IO$M_ACCESS) VMS | Mon Aug 03 1992 06:05 | 3 |
| If I read something saying `hard shell' I would assume that it meant
as opposed to a bunch of bananas. I would have a real hard time having
respect for anybody who thought they knew more than SNELL...
|
1966.37 | just my opinion, of course. | NOVA::FISHER | Rdb/VMS Dinosaur | Mon Aug 03 1992 07:05 | 5 |
| The paperwork says "hard shell helmet" because those weenies haven't
kept up with the times. They would know a hardshell from a Giro if
you gave them to 'em. Don't worry.
ed
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1966.38 | Hair-Net | VO2MAX::DELORIEA | I've got better things to do. | Mon Aug 03 1992 10:13 | 6 |
| I think they where trying to avoid people showing up with the old leather
hair nets.
ANSI or Snell is what the form should have.
T
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1966.39 | | 11SRUS::MARK | Waltzing with Bears | Mon Aug 03 1992 10:45 | 9 |
| FWIW, I bought a helmet on Friday, and there were two models that
the salesman thought were identical, except for the covering. The were the
same shape, same straps, same make (Giro). The only difference I could see
was that one had a `hard' (though thin) plastic coating, and the other had
a cloth/net cover. The hard helmet was rated Snell B90, the cloth was rated
Snell B84.
Mark
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1966.40 | | DANGER::JBELL | Aleph naught bottles of beer on the wall... | Mon Aug 03 1992 13:46 | 3 |
| I think that the hard shell helmet clause was to eliminate
the leather as well as the "Skid Lid" helmets.
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1966.41 | Time is good | SHALOT::ELLIS | John Lee Ellis - assembly required | Mon Aug 03 1992 17:10 | 12 |
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I've been very happy with the Time Equipe. White, light (very
lightweight) and cool.
As Tom Deloreia and others have said, try it on first - there's
a variety of head shapes and helmet shapes. My friend Pat's
Specialized helmet fits her very well, but is too narrow for me.
-john
PS: A reminder that the Time has arrows in the direction of wind
movement ... an added value at no extra cost! :-) :-)
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1966.42 | Met | CASEE::LALLI | Didier - OSAG Valbonne - DTN 828.5423 | Wed Aug 05 1992 07:44 | 9 |
| I just bought my second helmet and find the new one very nice, very light,
and very comfortable. It's a white (good in summertime over here) hard cover
whith lots of holes for air flow.
It's a Met "Scato" made in Italia. It's one of the cheapest here (probably
because Italie is very close). It's $60 while the Giro Hammerhead is twice
this much
Didier
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1966.43 | Specialised Sub-6 | PAKORA::GGOODMAN | Born Victim | Wed Aug 12 1992 11:42 | 14 |
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I bought a Specialized Sub-6 a couple of months ago. Very light and
so ventilated that I often have to put a cover on it. There's a label
inside with your emergency details which I think is a nice touch. If
you find that velcro pads irritate, you should be aware that there are
velcro pads around the base of the helmet.
One gripe that I have, not only with the sub-6 but with all that I
tried is the positioning of the catch. Why do they put it under the
chin. Can't it fit on the strap in front of the ear?
Graham.
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1966.44 | New Giro ??? | VO2MAX::DELORIEA | I've got better things to do. | Fri Aug 28 1992 11:02 | 7 |
| Has anyone notice the new Giro helmet on Greg Lemond during the Tour?
Leotien Van Moorsel had one on during the womens Olympic RR.
The shape is close to Specialized Sub Six helmet but it has a micro shell
cover.
Tom
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1966.45 | Buying helmet 1992 | LEDS::KLINGENBERG | | Mon Aug 31 1992 11:40 | 22 |
| Hello,
my name is Hartmut, a (mostly) read-only noter. I love bicycling as
recreational activity and a way to do a lot of short distance travel
and transport. At home (KBO, Kaufbeuren, Germany), I usually commute
to work by bike and going to town, I'm a lot faster with the bike than
with the car as well. I am also interested in technolgy (triggered by
the tandem we have, but not ride much since our two kids arrived).
Currently I am in Shrewsbury MA for 2 to 3 more months. Of course, I
brought my bike to commute to work here, too and leave the car with the
family. Since the typical US car driver doesn't seem to know how to
handle traffic with bikes, I'd love to get a helmet.
From all the notes I understand, number 1 priority is fit. Are there
any recommendations for shops in the central Mass area where I find
knowledgeable folks to help and a good selection of helmets reasonably
priced?
Thanks and best regards,
Hartmut
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1966.46 | | STARCH::WHALEN | Personal Choice is more important than Political Correctness | Mon Aug 31 1992 13:44 | 6 |
| Hartmut,
In the Shrewsbury area I'd recommend any of Landrys (Rt 9, Westboro), O'Neils
(Main Street, Worcester) or Bicycle Alley (Main Street, Worcester).
Rich (who also commutes to SHR).
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1966.47 | | MEMORY::FRECHETTE | Use your imagination... | Mon Aug 31 1992 15:37 | 4 |
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