Conference noted::bicycle

    Tom
    
    Can people in Europe order the jerseys? I suspect there are quite a few
    apart from me who would love to have one. If possible, please order a
    large one for me and I will pay in the internal mail if that's OK.
    
    John

    John,

	I'll send you an order form though Vmail. The shipping is something to
be worked out.

ALL request for order forms please send me Vaxmail. I don't want to clutter
this conf up with "I want one" replys.

John this is Not a flame on you

Tom

After all the work we did to find these jerseys and get them in an acceptable
color, we find out that we chose the wrong color.  Recently released results
showed that the more outrageous colors (hot pink was mentioned) were much more
noticable to the eyes of a passing motorist.

Rich

    re. .3    You notice the 'hot' colors, yellow, red, pink, etc in
    good light.   In poor light/fog/etc   white is noticed first.  That
    is why we designed the original Bike Club T-shirt with a white back
    and blue on the sleeves.
    	Note, Daimler-Benz research has done some interesting studies
    on this topic and confirmed white as the most visible.  And if you
    remember your physics, this makes sense:  white is the 'color' that
    reflects ALL the energy in all the other colors.
    	So, I'll take visibility under poor conditions and rely on a
    weird bike so they don't forget me momentarily (while turning, etc).
    	- Chris

UPDATE:
	The order is in! 104 jerseys going all over the world. I was told it
will take around 4 weeks for me to get them. Thank you all that participated.


"They" said it couldn't be done. Now how can I put this on my resume. :-)



Tom_whos_Learning_Center_position_is_no_more :-(


PS: Anyone need a resourceful talented and charming person for their group
namely "ME". :-)
                                                

    Tom has done a wonderful job with this, now lets see how well he
    does on our group picture!!!!    Lets see now, DEC will pay to have
    us all sent to, aaahhh lets see now, yes the Alps, thats it, for the 
    group photo.  Tom, will you start with Marketing first, or with Corp.
    personnel?
    
    I can see it now.  on the cover of the next Digital Annual Report
    104 DEC Bike jerseys worn by Dec's finest, with there trusty bikes
    (we can't go with out our bikes now could we), and the French Alps in
    the background. 
    
    Of course the report will have other "smaller" pictures of us in
    one looooong pace lane going down the twisties.  Then the pictures of
    us all consuming some of the finest food in a small village cafe (at
    DEC expense of course) all in our jerseys.

    This should only take about three weeks to shoot all the photos,
    and then the complementary week off(for being separated from our
    families)!  Tom, sign me up!
    
    Tom, you should start a separate note to collect CC and account info
    etc.....  Who knows you could even create your own NEW job. :-)

    Org. announcement....  The famous Tom Deloriea (yea the guy who got
    the bike jerseys) has been appointed V.P. in charge of.........
    
    Thanks TOM !!!!!!!!
    
    
    John_who_needs_to_dream_today!!!!

    

    Looking for a job?  I don't know.  I mean those bikers are a healthy
    lot except that the get the strangest illnesses when the weather
    turns mild in the spring.
    
    :-)
    
    Good luck, and thanks,
    
    ed

    Regarding the jersey's being white; the coming thing in automobile
    headlights is ultraviolet for high beams. Not only can you have
    your high's on without blinding other people but anything white
    will stand out like it's glowing (put something white under a "black
    light" (as ultraviolets are known) and you'll see what I mean).
    Probably won't happen for 2 or 3 years though. So, we're in the
    forefront for biking safety with our white jerseys.

FYI...I'm getting a test run jersey sometime this week. If it is OK the run
will start soon. Two or three weeks and you'll be wearing them, I was told.

Just to clarify...
		
	To get an idea of the color scheme, look at a  7-11 jersey. The white
stays white and the colored sections are DECblue, everywhere its says 7-11 will
be a DEClogo.

Tom

    Any idea on the latest ETA . . . 
                  
                         Weeks
                         -----
                May 31st   *   Order Deadline
                           |
                Jun  8th   *   Order Submitted - ETA 4 Weeks
                           |
                           *
                           |
                           *
                           | 
                           *
                           |
                Jul  5th   *   Test Jersey Received - ETA 2-3 Weeks
                           | 
                           *
                           | 
                           *
                           |
                Jul 28th   *   Today
    
    
    Tom -- would 104 phone calls from around the globe help get these
           guys motivated!  Perhaps we should reconsider that bike shorts,
           corporate team jackets, & lycra helmet cover order we were
           GOING to place!
        
    
                          

RE>> < Note 1175.10 by USCTR1::ALAVALLEY >


    Any idea on the latest ETA . . . 
                  
Apparently there was a two week vacation given to a key person or the whole
staff. So I was told. Whatever it was we should be getting them soon. I just
called the vendor and asked if we would get them in soon, and he said like the
end of next week or the begining of the next  

We'll see...


I can't wait to get mine either.

Tom        
    
                          

      When I was at the NEAR rally Schnaubelt had an exhibit.  I asked
    them how the jerseys were coming along.  They do exist, sort of.
    As of last Friday they had been sublimated but still had to be cut
    to the proper size, sewn, packaged and sent out.  I was told Tom
    should have them in about two weeks.  
      They told me the delay was caused by moving to a new, larger
    facility.  Both Nashbar and Descente have increased there Schnaubelt
    orders this year. 
    
    						Norm

    OK,
    
    These guys are something else!  Every time you talk to them they say
    "two weeks more."  This sounds like the movie the Money Pit.  You
    remember that movie, every time Tom Hanks asks a subcontractor how long
    it will take, they respond "oh, two weeks."  Then, of course, it takes
    months until the job gets done.
    
    We've given them more than $4,000 for these Jerseys.  I think we should
    start bugging the hell out of them until they commit to a real date. 
    Tom, how about posting their number?  Or, we could throw the power of
    DEC behind us and tell these guys that we'll personnally tell every
    club in DEC not to order stuff from them.  That should get their
    attention!  
    
    Tom, I realize it's not your fault, but I was hoping to use these 
    jerseys before the summer ended (after all they are COOlMAX).  Now, 3 
    months after order date they still haven't committed as to when they'll 
    be ready!  Well, I'm through blowing off steam, any suggestions?
    
    Dave     

Norm,

Thanks for the confirmation of the jerseys being made. I'm sure people were
starting to wonder if I took a vacation with their money.

Dave,

I called the DECvendor I'm going through, who subcontracted the job to
Schnarbelt and he was on vacation, for, you guessed it... two weeks.

ARRRGGG

Schnarbelt STINKS! Don't even think of another order!

Latest news:

The manager of the place fired/quit (probably from all our complaining) She was
replaced by the owner who is using all his resources to put an end to this
nightmare. He is going to ship partial orders. I will try to send out the over
seas orders first, but will have to see what sizes I get first.

Still waiting...
 
PS who else was calling Schnarbelt?

    	I was wondering if we will ever see this jersey by New Year.
    I thought Back in May that the longest it would take would be two
    months. It has been 3 1/2 months and we still haven't seen the jerseys.
    this season is almost up. I would of like to have worn this jersey.
    paying $42 to look at a jersey till next year isn't my way of sending
    money. I like to get my enjoyment out of my hard earned money. Please
    if you can do anything to get these jersey out do so. I would like
    to play with my toy now.
                    ---
    
    Love My Trek
    Mike Norton      

    I ordered mine for my son, who's 16 and still growing.
    
    I only hope it still fits next season!
    

    I'm doing a citizens race in Hollis, Cow Hampsha on September 30th.
    It'd be nice to have the jersey by then. 
    
    						Thom...

THEY'RE HERE!!! Oh well half of them anyway, the rest are due next week.
Keep your eyes on this note for details on pick up and deliverys.

This order will mainly go to the over seas orders so don't bother to ask to
come pick up yours now.

I'll send VAXmail to those people overseas and let them know when I shipped
them and what vendor.

Keep you posted

Tom

>>< Note 1175.20 by VERVE::BUCHANAN "Bat" >
>>           -< Ya-Hoo - is California considered overseas :-)    >-

Anyone that ordered a L or XL should be picking it up or getting it UPS
depending on how you wanted them delivered. So "Bat" you should be getting yours
in what ever time it takes you to get UPS from MA. BTW I dropped them off at
the main terminal in Shrewsbury MA yesterday, so they should get to you fast. 


I'm waiting for the mediums and the smalls to come in.

Tom

PS For those of you that didn't order a jersey but have seen one and wish they
did get one....Or those of you that didn't even know about ordering until it  
was too late, I'm thinking of putting in another order. I know, I'm crazy, but
I know how much everyone wanted one that missed the order. No I'm not making
money on these jerseys either. I'm not making any promises now so don't get
your hopes up too high. Also, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY ORDERS SHIPPED OUTSIDE THE
USA on this second order. If you want one make arrangements to have someone in
the US bring it to you or hold it for you thats fine. 
 

So if you're interested send me a VAXmail to: MCIS2::DELORIEA

    It was a long wait. But now having the jersey It was worth it. Hopefuly
    The next order won't take so long. I was wondering how everybody felt
    about there jersey. I rate my very well. I like the faberic. The
    colors are sharp. Only if it was a long sleave shirt. 
    	I was thinking if this pattern can come in a form of a skin
    suit. Or a set of pants the same colors. or tights. maybe even
    a Digital cap. We have all winter to wait on these so you would think
    they can get them to us by next season. I am willing to take that
    risk. We have the jersey let get other stuff to much it.
    
    Love My Trek
    Mike Norton
    

    
    I picked up my jersey the other night and they are nice. Many thanks
    to Tom for organizing the purchase and putting up with all the
    headaches.
    
    I only have one small problem. In the time it took to recieve the 
    jerseys I lost a considerable ammount of weight and now the X-L is
    too big. Would anyone be willing to swap a large for an X-large.
    
    Paul

Well I just got my jersey in the mail!!!

Many thanks to Tom for the work that it took to pull this off.  I would not 
have been able to put up with all the B.S. that he did.

After I tried on my NEW jersey I came to the realization that it was too
large! not a whole bunch but enough for me to ask for a trade.

TO  ANY ONE WHO ORDERED A LARGE JERSEY, IF IT IS TO SMALL FOR YOU I WANT
TO TRADE MY XL WITH YOU!

OR:

If you have a LARGE that you don't want I will buy it from you!

I can be reached @242-2447  and  WFOOFF::SISE I am in the Westfield Mass
plant.

				thanks

John_who_likes_the_jersey_but_is_bummed_about_the_size

    As a recent member of this notesfile, I wasn't around when you made the
    order.  Jerseys and other Digital gear sounds great!  Is there anyone
    in ZK who ordered one that I could see, so I can decide if I want one
    or two?  
    
    Thanks,
    Karen.

    I think they look really nice.  Mine is in my office today in TTB if
    anyone wants to come over to the penthouse and see it.
    
    ed

I rode in today in mine.  I got a friendly toot and a wave from one passing
motorist this morning.

Rich

The jerseys are great!  The lycra material is heavy, just the thing for cooler
fall rides.

A note on sizing: it is American and not European.  In Euro-sizes I wear a
large biking jersy which is skin-tight, but a large American t-shirt is baggy,
except around my shoulders (built up from biking).  I'm 5'11", 165 lbs - not
too heavy.  If you normally order one size larger, think twice.

cbs

Well, I got the XL jersey in the mail the other day. Looks real nice; 
the only real bummer is the size. It fits PERFECTLY; I wanna be a MEDIUM 
again! :-(
                                   ken

    Is there any possibility of getting a jersey up here in Canada.
    I know I am late in the cycle, but if a spare does appear out of
    thin air or there is another option for getting a jersey, I would
    be a happy camper.
    P.S. I did a Cyruthon two weeks ago, and it would have been nice
    to have worn a Digital jersey !
    
    Regards
    
    Gerry O    ;'}

    Tom,
     
     I know you put a lot of time and effort into having the jerseys made
    taking orders and shipping them out. I know it's not your fault that
    the jerseys were late and I wish I could have had mine sooner,it
    arrived last Friday, but it was worth waiting for. These are great!
    
    Many, many thanks for your hard work.
    
    Joe

    Wore mine in the Hollis, NH road race last Saturday and it's great. Got
    some nice comments on it. My thanks also to you Tom. I know it must
    have been a pain in the *^&% getting them done.
    
    						Thom...

    
    Tom,
      Any news update on the medium and small shirts that were ordered?
    
    Thanks,
    Danielle
    

>>      Any news update on the medium and small shirts that were ordered?
    
  There in, I need to ship them out. Wednesday they'll go out.
  

Ken, Matt, Tak + Rich, FYI The over seas shipments went out.    


Tom 

    Bewdy Tom, the timing could not be better.  The days are warming
    up and we had our first 20C plus day last week.  With any luck with
    shipping time, the jersey should arrive just in time for the summer
     ;^)
    
    Richard.
   

    
    Tom, 
    
    I still haven't gotten my small jerseys yet.  Any information would be
    appreciated.
    
    Valerie

    
    Valerie,

	I bet you see yours when you go home today. They have been shipped.

Tom

    
    Thanks Tom - all set!!

    
    My Small jersey has arrived - fits great, looks great!
    
    Wanted to wear it today but its arrival coincided (of course)
    with a 30-degree drop in the temperature; highs had been 80� or more.
    
    Alas, the South will doubtless rise again!
    
    Thanks, Tom.

    re:  Alas, the South will doubtless rise again!
    
    	John,
    		You were refering to Southern New Hampshire....right :^)
    
    						_Jerry

    Jerry, you're going to wait a while before you see So. NH get back into
    the 80's.  :-)
    
    ed

I got my jersey too!  I was worried abou the size I ordered but it fits great!

Thanks!
Dani

    re 1175.42
    
    I didn't want to be the one to mention it Dani but I also 
    thought you should have ordered at least one size larger :-)
    
    						_Jerry
    

RE: 1175

	Jerry,

	You're just jealous!  But you won't see it much... maybe a quick glimpse
	as I go zipp'in by...

	Dani

    
    OOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwww.  Stung by the 
    deadliest kind.
    
    						_Jerry
    
    BTW - Deadliest kind is the *female* of the species :-)

    
    Today at lunch was my jersey's inaugural ride (over a woolen top).
    Looked quite striking in the sun.  Feel's odd to be advertising
    your own company, rather than La Vie Claire, or Gelati da Firenze,
    or Cafe de Colombia.  Hmmm...

    	Well, if you have any xtras, just sew a couple together
    	and that ought to fit me. 8-)>
    
    	Scott

I have two (2) extra large DIGITAL jerseys for sale one might be spoken for,
but one is up for grabs.  Anyone want an extra large DEC jersey?  They have to
pick it up from me in MRO2, Marlboro MA. It's $42.00. First come first served
Send me Vaxmail.

Tom mcis2::deloriea

    Thank you Santa Tom.  My wife suprised the heck out
    of me with a Digital XL Jersey under the tree after
    I thought I was out of luck this year.  It fits
    great....but there was also a can of Slimfast so
    I'll probably need a smaller one by next summer :-)
    
    					_Jerry

                    -< 2ND ORDER OF JERSEYS CUT OFF DATE 3/15/90 >-

The time has come to get another jersey order in. Here are the rules:

1. NO ORDERS OUT OF THE U.S. (if you can arrange someone in the US to ship it
			      to you fine. I'll send it to them and they can
			      ship it for you.)

2. a Checks are made payable to  MAC BENS  (vendor)
***b Visa or Master Card number and exp date.*** (MAC BENS will charge you)

3. The pick up point will be at MAC BENS in downtown Worcester. If you can't be
   there to pick up your jersey with in a weeks time then have it shipped to
   your home address. PO box addresses will be sent through US mail not UPS.	

4. Remember the jerseys are running a little bigger than stated. (A large fit
   me a bit loose and a medium snug. I normally take a large)

FYI...
Mac Bens will be taking care of all the shipping and ordering, I'm just going
to hand them the orders and the checks. It will be a lot easier for me, because
I won't have to handle any money or spend my time shipping jerseys. There won't
be any problem with turn around time, like last order.

                                                                         

______________________________________________________________________________
                           digital JERSEY ORDER FORM


SHIP TO:

NAME____________________________________________________________________

BOX/APT_________________________________________________________________

ROUTE/STREET____________________________________________________________

CITY________________________STATE/PROV____________________COUNTRY_______

ZIP_________________________


________________________________________________________________________________
QUANTITY| SIZE |		PRICE PER JERSEY $42.00		|TOTAL PRICE
________|______|________________________________________________|______________ 
	|      | 						|		
	|  XS  | CHEST 31-33					|	
________|______|________________________________________________|_______________
	|      |				 		|	
	|  S   | CHEST 34-36					|	
________|______|________________________________________________|_______________
	|      |						|
	|  M   | CHEST 36-38					|
________|______|________________________________________________|_______________
	|      |						|
	|  L   | CHEST 38-40					|
________|______|________________________________________________|_______________
	|      |						|
	|  XL  | CHEST 40-44					|
________|______|________________________________________________|_______________
	|      |						|
	|  XXL | CHEST 44-48					|
________|______|________________________________________________|______________
					       |		|
MAKE CHECK PAYABLE 			       |TOTAL FOR GOODS |
					       |________________|______________
MAC-BEN	SPORTING GOODS			       |+SHIPPING	|
					       |$2.50 USA	|
MAKE A COPY OF THE CHECK AND ORDER FORM        |OR_PICK_UP______|______________
YOUR RECORDS				       |		|
					       |GRAND TOTAL     |
					       |_______________________________
FOR CHARGE CARD ORDERS
	    CIRCLE ONE:   VISA    MASTER CHARGE                   EXP DATE
	
				________|________|________|_______   ____/____
________________________________________________________________________________


PRINT IT OUT AND MAIL CHECK AND ORDER FORM TO: 


LWO
TOM DELORIEA
DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION
205 INDUSTRIAL AVENUE,EAST
LOWELL, MA  01852

Any questions send me mail NEMAIL::DELORIEA

RE>>                         -< THE SECOND TIME IS BETTER >-
  
  >>                  -< 2ND ORDER OF JERSEYS CUT OFF DATE 3/15/90 >-

    Time is running out... BTW As far a I am concerned, this is the LAST order.
So, if you want one you better order it now. See -1 for order form.

Tom 

    I just picked up the latest Velo News yesterday.  S. Schnaubelt, the
    maker our jerseys has a 1/2 page full color ad showing some of their
    creations including a Digital jersey.

�                    -< Digital Jersey in latest Velo News >-

Great, I wished they asked first. Oh well, more free advertising for DEC.

Tom

re .53 & .54

	Perhaps we should have had the products on as well..............

	Whwn it comes to putting the name before the public, Digital is a non-
starter.  At least if I get one to wear on the C�te d'Azur, everyone knows that
Digital is the largest local employer and makes computers and associated
products.   With all the other companies in the Park, there is some prestige to
be gained by showing the flag.

    If you thought that the Digital Jersey was expensive, then check the ad
    on page 67 of May 1990 _Outside_.   Coors Light Team Cycling is
    advertising various merchandise and their jersey goes for $60.00
    
    Rich

    Any update on the new jerseys?  Like maybe they have already started
    shipping them and I'll find it waiting when I get home tonight.

    Just saw the add in Velo News with the Digital jersey.  Realized there
    must be a cycling notes file and behold there was.  I know the deadline
    has passed.  Any chance to get a jersey?  Can I call direct to
    Schnaubelt?  Any other clothing with the DEC logo?  
    
    Also does Digital sponsor a USCF club?  I am currently racing with a
    local Schwinn club in Atlanta, but would much rather promote my employer.  
    Does DEC sponsor any races?
    
    Thanks in advance for any info!
    
    Byron Finley @ATO
    ODIXIE::BFINLEY
    DTN: 326-5272             

>> Any chance to get a jersey?

Not in the near future.

>> Can I call direct to Schnaubelt?  

Nope

>>Any other clothing with the DEC logo?  
  
Good question. I think there is some stuff you can get at BUO, like sweats and 
T-shirts.
  
>>    Also does Digital sponsor a USCF club?  

No

>>    Does DEC sponsor any races?
    
Not that I know of.

Tom   

      Could someone please send a lonely U.K. noter a copy of the Velo News
      which has the Schnaubelt ad in it? I've asked in many different places
      and nobody on this side of the Atlantic knows of the magazine. Not only
      that, but due to mailing problems, I'm still waiting to get my jersey
      from the first run. So, feel lucky guys.

      Tim

    I'd like to ask again ... Any idea when the 15-Mar-90 order will
    arrive?  I've got a century to ride on 19-May-90.  Any chance I'm going
    to be able to wear my shiney new DIGITAL jersey?  
    
    Mage

RE>>                             -< Still waiting ... >-
    
The jerseys should arrive before the end of the month.  Yes, the cut off
date was March 15 for sending in orders. I waited a week to make sure the mail
didn't hold up any orders. I sent in the order to the vendor who sent it to the 
maker. They in turn make the jerseys from scratch. This is not like mail order 
where you send in your order and they pull stock off the shelf and send it to
you in 3 days. No, this is a custom jersey. They had to ink the cloth and then
cut and sew the jerseys together. Eight weeks plus shipping time is what to
hope for. So we'll see if they can keep it in that window. Also, Schnaubelt is
under new management now, where as last time they were in the middle of the 
reorg and moving.

Tom

    RE:.-1
    
    Thank you very much for the update ... If I read you reply correctly,
    that means no chance for the 19-May-90 ride ... Oh well ...
    
    Mage

Tom,

Any further word from Schnaubelt?  I keep waiting for you to change your P-name
to "Time to ship the jerseys" or "Time to sue Schnaubelt".

I was told that the shipping is taking place and that some have received their
jerseys. Has anyone from the second order received theirs yet?

Tom

    It turns out that the jerseys don't fit quite as snug as I was given to
    believe.  Anybody out there feel like their medium is too tight?
    
    What I have:	Size - large
    			worn - @20 seconds
    
    What I'd like:	Size - medium with similar background
    
    Thanks.
    
    Jim

    
    
    
    Hmmmm.  Mine ( a medium) came in yesterday and it looked like it 
    may be a bit snug (just ain't in 'Racing condition' Ed says).  
    I'll try it on tonight for about 20 seconds!
    
    -Steve

    Ya-Hoo, the jerseys are coming!  But CURIE::WAGNER, what led you to
    believe that the jerseys fit snug?  There are about 20 notes in here
    saying how large they run.  That's why I ordered another one, one size
    smaller than last time.

    
    
    I guess it was the order form that drew me in.  It shows a chest size
    next to the letter sizes.  I wear a 40 or 42 suit jacket, so when I saw
    that fall into the XL size range, I decided to follow everyone's advice
    and ordered the next size smaller - i.e., L.
    
    Oh well, with any luck I'll find someone who miscalculated the other
    way and we'll both be happy.
    
    Jim
    
    

    
    I just got onto this notes conference. Is it too late to get a jersey?
    
    -Paul

    These things seem to be all over the place; what happened to quality
    control? I got my medium, and it's fine except for just a tiny bit of
    binding right around the ribs. It's not enough to get me to return it.
    
    However, I also ordered one for a friend, a small, and it's too big on
    her; did anyone by any chance order an extra small that they'd like to
    exchange for this small? It hasn't been worn riding.
    
    Thanks,
    		/Harry

>>    I just got onto this notes conference. Is it too late to get a jersey?
  

To All,

I will not be ordering any more jerseys or even talking about them. Don't
bother calling Schnaubelt, due to their blunder with putting DEC's logo on
there add and catalogs they have been told not to take any orders from anyone
but a corporate vendor. I wash my hands from this whole issue.

For those 100+ people that enjoy their jerseys. I'm happy for you.

For those few that aren't happy with theirs...see note 2

For those that want one but missed out see above


Tom

	I have a large jersey that I would be willing to part with.

	Shall we start the bidding at $125 :-)


	Paul

     Paul, are you pulling my "crank" or what? I'm interested in one
    (really screwed up when they were offered and didn't order). Of
    course, the early days of sex, drugs and rock 'n roll a showing
    a residual effect at the $125.00 price range :-).
    
     If you're serious, I'm serious. Unless, of course, I'll need to
    have it professionally cleaned...
    
     Chip

I also have a large I'd like to trade for a medium.  I will sell the jersey
for what I paid for it if no one is interested in a trade.

Pat Ryer
DTN 592-5247
AZTECH::RYER

What is the current status of the jersey orders.  I ordered mine as soon as
the order form was available.  It soulds like some of you back east have 
already gotten yours.  Have they shipped any to Colorado yet?  I'm still
patiently awaiting the arrival of mine.

Thanks,
Mark_in_Colorado

Hi, Mark,

I'm in the Springs and I got my jersey over a week ago. (And promptly
sold it 'cause it was too big - sigh. :-{)

Pat

I hope my order did not get lost in the shuffle.  I sent it in on
19-Jan.

Mark

    I NEED a jersey!  If you don't like yours.. If it doesn't fit...
    I wear a medium or large.  From previous notes I can't tell if they are
    large or small for their size.  I wear a medium from Pearl Izumi. 
    Doesn't look like we can get a new one.  Some of ya'll seem pretty rude
    obout the prospects of ownership.  I just want to show my colors on the
    road.
    
    Currently advertising the other guys,
    
    Byron Finley
    ODIXIE::BFINLEY
    DTN:  326-5272

>>    I NEED a jersey!  If you don't like yours.. If it doesn't fit...

Well don't fret any longer...........




The news is there will be another run made. Thats correct the jerseys are back
by popular demand. Stay tuned to this note for futher news and views and please

DON'T START SENDING ME ORDER FORMS OR REPLIES TO THIS NOTE WITH "I WANT ONE."

The price has changed and I'm waiting for the details. Also, if anyone noticed
the last run of jerseys were made of 100% Coolmax, not like the first run that
were 85% Coolmax 15% Lycra. The feed back I got was that the 1st run was better
quality than the second. True or false??? I personally felt the first run
jersey fit better than the second... Any changes to the fit/material are good
things to bring up now. The art work and color are staying the same.

Tom

	I nominate Tom Deloria for Govenor of Massachusetts. 

	Anyone who has gone through what he has for the jerseys and is
	willing to do it again must have what it takes to tackle the
	problems of this state. Any Seconds?

	Paul

    Sounds good to me, but I live in Florida; where it seems, most people
    from Mass eventually end up :-)  
    
    BTW - those of you looking for a FLAT century, we have one coming up
    next month.
    
    Barry

    See what happens?  Ya volunteer for one dirty job & then ya get every
    one that comes along.

I liked the material from the first order a bit better, although there's not a
huge difference.

    I felt that the material in the jersey (1st batch) was rather
    non-breathing.
    
    ed

    I like the first batch better. 
        I was wondering we have the jersey, How about putting in a order for 
    shorts to match the jersey maybe even a helment cover to match. I know
    it doesn't take much to get helments cover after you make a big order.
    
    Just ideas
    Mike (who loves his Dec jersey)

    
    RE: .-2
    
    I think Ed's right.  My (first-batch) jersey's material is nice,
    but I don't wear it in anything like warm weather.  It's good for
    cool spring/fall days. ( Cool(NC) = {60's...70's}) 
    
    -john

    The first-batch jersey material is pretty, but holds heat and sweat
    in rather than wicking it.  Pretty strange for Cool-Max!  It makes
    for the heaviest Cool-Max jersey I've ever encountered.  In its 
    favor, the stuff seems more durable than "normal" Cool-Max (which
    tends to pill), and stays new-looking much longer.
    
    I have to admit that my favorite combination is still poly/lycra
    on the outside, with a cotton lining inside, like most of the 
    high-end euro team jerseys.
    
    [We could always go for a gore-tex jacket, considering the season.
    Hint, hint....]
    
    
    MATT

re .89  I was thinking of asking for a choice of a long sleeve jersey.

>>	I nominate Tom Deloria for Govenor of Massachusetts. 
    
	Sorry Paul,
    
    		We already sent his name in to the New Hampshire
    primary and, as you'll recall, we get to vote first :)
    
    					_Jerry

>>    [We could always go for a gore-tex jacket, considering the season.
>>    Hint, hint....]
    
  HARDY, HAR Haaarr, very funny... 

Seriously I figure this way they *might* be ready for next spring.

Regarding long sleeves...

Thats why they make Lifa and ect. You wear your jersey over it or you can be
real *cool* and get a set of arm warmers so when it warms up you just pull them
off and stuff them in your jersey pocket.

RE> Helmet covers and shorts

I'll check on the helmet covers but the shorts are too hard to size and please
enough people to get an order going. 

RE> Mass Governor...

Ya maybe I could make it... People in Mass do vote for crack pots.

Tom (who must be crazy to be doing this again)

    re:     [We could always go for a gore-tex jacket, considering the season.
    Hint, hint....]
    
    But you forget tat it will be summer when they are delivered... :-)
    
    ed

    Tom,
    
    I liked the first "lot" material a "lot" better. :-)
    
    Note: I have a XL from the first lot and a L from the 2nd lot, and 
    	  they are both the SAME size.
    
    I sort of know the grief that you went through to get them, so I
    guess that asking for some sort of feedback from the vendor on how
    the sizing are "running" is asking a lot!  
    
    BUT if we could get this info there may be less "swapping" later on.
    
    I guess I could just buy one(or two) of each, and sell the ones that don't
    fit!!!   :-)

    John
    
    Who_will_get_more_of_Tom's_famous_DEC_jerseys.

    

    
    	So, How do we get these jerseys ?
    
    	Paul-who-just-started-cycling-2-months-ago-and-loves-it

    They must have screwed up the sizes... I got an off-hand purchased
    jersey. It was a large, but it's definitely x-large. Fortunately
    I can still wear it... very  comfortable on those hot/humid days.
    
      Chip

>>                            -< SIZES ARE WRONG... >-

>>    They must have screwed up the sizes... I got an off-hand purchased
>>    jersey. It was a large, but it's definitely x-large. Fortunately
>>    I can still wear it... very  comfortable on those hot/humid days.
    
HEY, maybe your the wrong size not the jersey. Hows that for customer
service. ;-)

Actually, I talked to the owner/manager(?) of Schnaubelt and voiced the problem
with him about this. They went through an ownership change and so forth between
and during the two runs. The second run the took it on themselves to guess that
the 100% Coolmax would be better received. The COOLMAX manufacturer recomended
that the jerseys be made blousey rather than snug fitting. So thats the rest of
the story... 

Lets here more feed back from you owners, + and -'s

Tom

     Like I had stated, I have the "blousey" look to mine. In fact,
    I have a combination of snug and loose fitting shirts. Depending
    on what I'm doing, i.e. races, TT's or training (and weather con-
    ditions) I find that there is a need for both (my $.02). For
    example, I wore it yesterday on my hill workout (Mt. Wachusett).
    
     This time, I  would look for a snug on the next go 'round.
    
    
       Chip

	Tom,

	Almost a year ago you announced that another run of Digital jerseys 
	would be made.
	Since then, we didn't hear anything about it.
	Are you still willing to organize another run? 
		
					Jan Mulder

>>	Since then, we didn't hear anything about it.
>>	Are you still willing to organize another run? 
		

I'm sorry, I haven't the time to get another jersey run going. I've been too
busy for even my normal lunch time rides... :-(


This is the first time I've been in notes in a while so I'm not active enough
to even be thinking about Clubs and such.

Tom

    Hello All,
     
     Im reading this note I have come to the belive that there is, shall we
    say, an interest in the DIGITAL CYCLING JERSEY...
    
     WEeeellll we here at WMO have an Employee Releations Group that
    provide our site with variouse DIGITAL Logoed stuff..IE: Shirts,
    Jackets, Golf balls, Playing Cards, Etc....
    
     After a bit of research (Thanks to Tom D. the shirt designer) and much
    work by our WMO E.R.G. I'm HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE that DIGITAL and
    SCHAUMBELT(sp?) have worked out an OFFICAL DIGITAL CYCLING JERSEY. This
    jersey is the same one that Tom D. dosigned with the execption of the
    removal of the 2 horizontal white lines near the logo.
    
     The WMO E.R.G. is prepared to process orders (hopefully in time for
    Christmas) NOW! An arrangement has been made to accept VISA card in
    support of international orders. The cost will be $46 (us) plus
    shipping costs.
    
     If interested, please send you Name, address (work and home),
    node::username and DTN to:
    
    		Bonnie Steadman at WMOIS::STEADMAN 
    				or
    		      A1 STEADMAN.BONNIE @ WMO
    
    
     We need an order of at least 50 shirts to get this price. If this
    works out well, our E.R.G. may stock this item in their store.
    
    Merry Christmas to all...
    
    Paul
    
    I will monitor this note for questions, please do NOT send mail to me

    I haven't seen one of the originals.  Can you provide a short
    description, please?  What kind of fabric?  Long or short sleeve?
    Will they have a standard cycling cut (half zipper in front, 3 pockets
    in back)?  What sizes are available?  Thanks much.
    
    Ken
    

    Ken,
    
     The shirts are Blue lettering and artwork on a white background of
    COOLMAX material. They are short sleeve with a short (1/4 1/2) zipper
    down the front. Yes they do have 3 pockets on the back, cut like the
    normal bicycling shirts are.
    
     Sizes available:
    	XS = 31-33 chest
    	 S = 34-36  "
    	 M = 36-38  "
    	 L = 38-40  "
    	XL = 40-43  "
       XXL = 43-48  "
    
    Hope this helps,
     Paul

     Please be careful when ordering... I take a 44 coat and have a large
    rib cage and wear a medium... This, of course means I have a very
    "fitting" fit... But that's what you're supposed to get... 
    
      Chip

From:	WMOIS::STEADMAN     26-NOV-1991 16:26:10.15
To:	WMOIS::MALLETTE_P
CC:	
Subj:	Please pass this on the Chip

From:	WMOIS::STEADMAN     26-NOV-1991 12:21:47.48
To:	@BIKERS
CC:	STEADMAN
Subj:	DEC BIKE JERSEYS

Hi Everyone!

It's a go ... I will be placing an order for the Jerseys just as soon
as I have all the sizes from everyone.   

Here is all the info I have on the shirts:

The shirts will be made out of a material called Cool Max which is top
of the line.   The manufacture said they won't shrink ... but doesn't
recommend drying them in the dryer.  Laundering instructions are on the
label and suggest to drip dry.  I'm told they dry very quickly.

The shirts will be blue and white, loose cut - NOT lycra the skin tight type,
short sleeve, 1/4 zipper in front three pockets in the back with elastic and 
elastic on the bottom of the shirt for a nice fit.  White logo on the front.
For anyone that had this type from a previous order, these shirts will be
very similiar.  Judging from a photo I have, the only difference in design 
is that the thin white stripe just above and below the logo will be 
removed.

Payment & Shipping:  The shirts are $46 each plus shipping, at this point I 
plan on sending them US mail (unless your close by).  I just spoke to the
Corp. Mail Mgr. and he indicated that interoffice mail is only for printed 
matter.   I will pursue inter-plant which means in would be boxed, but ..
once again US mail is probably the safest and fastest.   Payment - for 
those of you that have asked about checks/money orders ... they will be
accepted for US employees.  For those that are located internationally
I will be asking for Mastercharge or Visa because of the currency 
exchanges.  I am not set up as of yet to take the plastic cards but 
anticipate that I will be by the time the shirts are ready to be shipped.
I will also find out what the shipping charges will be exactly.  So ...
once again I will be in touch. 

The sizes run as follows:

X Small       Small       Medium      Large      X Large      XX Large
 31-33        34-36       36-38       38-40       40-43        43- 48

For anyone who hasn't given my their size  ... PLEASE DO SO RIGHT AWAY
so the order can be placed.  Listed below is who I've heard from
and what they want.  If you have given me a size but need to change it
then let me know, otherwise I will order what you've indicated.

Name            Size     Qty

Garver           Sm       1

KLee             Med      1
Girouard         Med      1
Nale             Med      1
Boudreau         Med      1
Widdowson        Med      3
                 Lg       1

Vasudev          Lg       1
Preston          Lg       1
Springnagel      Lg       2
MForbes          Lg       1
Sidel            Lg       1
Shortt           Lg       1
Koeck            Lg       1
Jasinski         Lg       1
Tanski           Lg       1     

Hemmings         XL       1
Dockery          XL       1
Rowlands         XL       1
CLeland          XL       1
Rodriguez        XL       1
Oloughlin        XL       1

I need to hear from the following  ASAP:

Dial             ?        1
Kent             ?        1
Wiegman          ?        1
Fox              ?        1
ASmith           ?        1
LaFleur          ?        1
Overmeyer        ?        1
Edwards          ?        1
JMulder          ?        1
Weir             ?        1
Ryer             ?        1
W_Vierhout       ?        1
Olson            ?        1
DAnderson        ?        1
Moriarty         ?        1

Okay, I think I've covered everything for now ... accept this has been
really exciting for me hearing from people all around the world.

If you are interested in any of the other items I sell just let me know ... 
there are several.

		Thanks for your interest.   

  		Bonnie
    

    I just heard about DEC's logo change.  It is going to make it
    a little bit easier to justify a new cycling jersey.  Any
    word?
    
    If you haven't heard: One solid field, instead of the seven
    cursors spelling D-I-G-I-T-A-L.  The color (or colour) will
    be burgundy and white.  
    
    r�

     Just an FYI... Bonnie Steadman (the person who last coordinated
    the purchase) has moved on to a new job. The job she left is
    actually been changed so no one is available here to do this
    sort of thing...
    
       Chip

I'd like one, but if I co-ordinated the buy, y'all would have to come to Dallas
to get them.

Bob

> If you haven't heard: One solid field, instead of the seven
> cursors spelling D-I-G-I-T-A-L.  The color (or colour) will
> be burgundy and white.  

	It's not a solid field, the blocks are still there.
	The letters are white on blocks of "burgundy".

	The letters are slightly changed: the "i"'s have round dots, 
	some of the edges that were horizontal (end of tail on "g", 
	top of "t", end of hook on "a") are now tilted slightly, 
	very slight serif on the "a" and the holes in "d" and "g" 
	are full ovals instead of having a flat side.

     They've already run the new logo in a LIFE magazine a couple of
    weeks ago in an advertisement. I think the color "burgundy" was
    an artistic stretch (if LIFE was true to the color). It looked more
    like a deep purple (remember the band?)
    
     chip_who_was_a_deep_purple_fan_and_still_is_a_machine_head

re: .110

Chip,

I just happen to have that CD in my desk, waiting to be played today...

Smoke on the water, the fire in the sky...

Bob

     Alright Bob! Let's rock! 
    
     I'm showing my age... You?
    
        Chip