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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:	Cars in the UK
Notice:	Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:	COMICS::SHELLEYELD

Created:	Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	2584
Total number of notes:	63384

2222.0. "Peugeot-Fiat Monospace Car" by LEMAN::CHEVAUX (Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150) Wed Feb 09 1994 14:29

    Peugeot (Peugeot and Citroen) an Fiat (Fiat and Lancia) have worked on
    another joint project which will materialize later this year. This time
    the result is a 'monospace' along the concept developed by Matra in the
    early 80's, later sold to rival Renault who introduced it as the Espace
    
    Peugeot will launch their monospace as the '806' next summer while 
    Citroen will follow with the 'Evolution'. Fiat will probably launch
    their version at about the same time while Lancia plan to release a
    more classy version in early 1995.
    
    The 'car' looks very similar to the Renault-Matra Espace but has 2
    sliding doors for access to the back seats. Other features are similar
    to that of the Espace (revolving front seats, ...).
    
    According to L'Equipe the European 'monospace' market is 120000 units
    per year (the US market for minvans is 1 million) of which Renault
    holds 50% (60000 units) and Chrysler have 25% (30000 Voyagers).

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2222.1	Sunday Telegraph article.	CMOTEC::POWELL	Nostalgia isn't what it used to be, is it?	`Thu Feb 10 1994 12:29`	13
	In last weekends Sunday Telegraph, there was a quarter page article about these new MPVs, as the Americans call them I believe. The article said that it is a co-operative deal between Citr�en, Peugot and FIAT and that the vehicles would appear badged as FIAT, Lancia (NOT to imported to GB), Citr�en and Peugot. There would be virtually no differences except the Badges and minor trim variations. One detail did stick in my mind was that the Engines would be 2.0L petrol and 1.9L Turbo Diesels from Citr�en/Peugot - oh, and that the Gear Lever sticks out of the Dashboard - there was a picture of the Dashboard. Malcolm.
2222.2	Peugeot-Fiat	LEMAN::CHEVAUX	Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150	`Thu Feb 10 1994 12:38`	12
	.1�petrol and 1.9L Turbo Diesels from Citr�en/Peugot - oh, and that the Gear Lever .1�sticks out of the Dashboard - there was a picture of the Dashboard. The idea is get a very clear front area. No gear lever or hand-brake in the way ... I've seen a photo of the 4 cars. They each have their parent company distinctive front end and logo. At last the Peugeot-Fiat agreement produces a visible set of results. Does anyone remember what the previous Peugeot-Fiat project was ?
2222.3	Mini Vans	OASS::BURDEN_D	and a dozen grey attorneys	`Thu Feb 10 1994 14:24`	8
	re: MPVs The MPV is a Mazda product, not a generic term we use. The phrase we use is mini-vans. Of course there is also the 4wd truck type person carrier which is all the rage over here. The term for those is SUV, or Suburban Utility Vehicle. Dave
2222.4	Nits	LEDS::ROBERTSON		`Thu Feb 10 1994 18:15`	4
	This is a nit, but SUV is Sport Utility Vehicle from what I have read. As far as a Peugeot/Fiat joint venture, I never heard of any. What was it?
2222.5	SUV	OASS::BURDEN_D	and a dozen grey attorneys	`Thu Feb 10 1994 18:37`	3
	Actually, I prefer to think of SUV as pSeudo Utility Vehicle.... Dave
2222.6	In UK, MPV means Multi Purpose Vehicle,	COMICS::TRAVELL	John T, UK VMS System Support	`Thu Feb 10 1994 20:49`	11
	and primarily refers to something like the Espace, that can carry a full load of people, then can have the seats removed (quickly?) and be used as a van, with preferably a choice of seating arrangement as some intermediate step. By this definition, until now the ONLY `MPV's have been the Renault and Chrysler models, as ALL of the Japanese `People-carriers' have needed to use tools to remove the seats (NOT quickly!). I presume that the Pug-Citr-Fiat has Q-D seats? John Travell.
2222.7	a little more time	LEMAN::CHEVAUX	Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150	`Fri Feb 11 1994 11:09`	4
	.4� As far as a Peugeot/Fiat joint venture, I never heard of any. What .4� was it? Come on, you experts ! Someone should know
2222.8		TRUCKS::BEATON_S	I Just Look Innocent	`Fri Feb 11 1994 12:21`	15
	The previous Peugeot-Fiat joint venture was on their equivalent to the Ford Transit.... I don't know about anyhwere eles, but in the UK the van was/is sold with Citroen/Talbot and Fiat badges. If this joint venture thingy that everyone is thinking about is definitely a car... the only recent one that I can think of that involves Fiat was the Fiat Croma/ Renault 25/ Saab 9000 doobrie... Reargards, Stephen Stephen
2222.9		LEMAN::CHEVAUX	Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150	`Fri Feb 11 1994 16:51`	7
	.8� The previous Peugeot-Fiat joint venture was on the ... ... joint development of a modern, low mfg cost, engine. It's called F.I.R.E. Only the Fiat group used it while Peugeot chose to use other designs.
2222.10	Renault 25 is a different matter	LEMAN::CHEVAUX	Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150	`Tue Feb 15 1994 12:18`	16
	.8� The previous Peugeot-Fiat joint venture was on their equivalent to the .8� Ford Transit.... I don't know about anyhwere eles, but in the UK the .8� van was/is sold with Citroen/Talbot and Fiat badges. True. .8� If this joint venture thingy that everyone is thinking about is .8� definitely a car... the only recent one that I can think of that .8� involves Fiat was the Fiat Croma/ Renault 25/ Saab 9000 doobrie... Stephen (and the rest), are you sure about the Renault 25 ? Don't you confuse with the Alfa Romeo 164 and the Lancia Thema which, together with the Fiat and the Saab share the same basic design : floorpan, side wings, doors ? (... and the same basic flaws in terms of rigidity and safety ...) Note that the R25 is no better than the above bunch anyway ...
2222.11	Yes	TRUCKS::BEATON_S	I Just Look Innocent	`Tue Feb 15 1994 12:22`	1