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| 1946.1 | some figures | WEOPON::LP12 | | Sun Nov 08 1992 00:19 | 20 |
| Yes OK, since I seem to have gotten beaten up for suggesting that a
number of high performance 3 litre engines can obtain 250 hp which is
what the A610 can achieve only with the aid of a turbo...
Make CC HP hp/lit 3 Litre equiv.
Honda NSX 2977 274 92 276
BMW M5 3535 315 89 267
Ferrari 348 3405 300 88 264
Alfa 164 Q4 2959 260 88 264
Porsche 968 2990 240 80 241
Merc 2.5-16 2498 197 79 237
Merc 300E24 2962 231 78 234
BMW 325i 2492 192 77 231
Not to mention the M3...
However, I quite like the way the A610 looks.
-Dave.
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| 1946.2 | | NEWOA::SAXBY | Mean and Brooklands Green! | Mon Nov 09 1992 09:03 | 4 |
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But ONLY the NSX is 3 litre, non-turbo and makes the criteria...
Mark
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| 1946.3 | Huh? What about the Alfa ?, the M3 ? | WEOPON::LP12 | | Mon Nov 09 1992 09:23 | 1 |
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| 1946.4 | | NEWOA::SAXBY | Mean and Brooklands Green! | Mon Nov 09 1992 09:34 | 9 |
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Sorry,
Looking back at the list I see you've said a 164 Q4 (I don't know what
that is and I read it as the 155 Q4 which has the turbo Integrale
engine). The M3 isn't in the list (although you did mention it, but I
was only referring to the list).
Mark
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| 1946.5 | I know of a 155 Q4 (and it's a turbo) | DUBSWS::KANE_BF | The clot, thickens.... | Mon Nov 09 1992 11:51 | 10 |
| re: .2
Thank you Mark for bringing reality to this "discussion" :-)
re: that list
Alfa 164 Q4
^^^^^^^^^^^
Never 'erd of it !
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| 1946.6 | Never heard of it | UNTADH::WILCOCKSON | Jock footy, best in Britain | Mon Nov 09 1992 13:14 | 6 |
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To my knowledge there's no such thing as a 164 Q4 - maybe you
mean a 164 Quadrifoglio (Green Cloverleaf), that produces 230 not
260 bhp - or do you know different - if so post the details...
Al.
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| 1946.7 | | ESBS01::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Mon Nov 09 1992 16:29 | 3 |
| I guess the 'Q4' Alfa 164 is [intended to mean ?] the 24-valve version ?
J.R.
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| 1946.8 | No that's the 164 Super [seriously !] | DUBSWS::KANE_BF | The clot, thickens.... | Mon Nov 09 1992 17:00 | 0 |
| 1946.9 | | ULYSSE::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584 | Tue Nov 10 1992 10:44 | 1 |
| 164 should probably read 155 Q4. But again 260bhp without turbo ?
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| 1946.10 | | SUBURB::TAYLORG | RIP: Freddie Mercury 24-Nov-1991 | Tue Nov 10 1992 12:22 | 3 |
| What about the Catham Super Seven HPC 1.7 (170BHP).
Grant
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| 1946.11 | | DUBSWS::KANE_BF | The clot, thickens.... | Tue Nov 10 1992 13:09 | 9 |
| �� What about the Catham Super Seven HPC 1.7 (170BHP).
^^^^^^^^
135 BHP. That's what !
Methinks you're talking about the 2 litre HPC which uses a carburettor
version of Vauxhall's 16V beastie to get 175 gee-gees.
Mike. (and it's CatERham)
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| 1946.12 | | SUBURB::TAYLORG | RIP: Freddie Mercury 24-Nov-1991 | Tue Nov 10 1992 16:57 | 6 |
| re-1
I'me talking about the 1.7 Litre HPC (Kent engine) Carb that had
170BHP.
Grant
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| 1946.13 | once again | WEOPON::LP12 | | Thu Nov 12 1992 09:26 | 8 |
| re: .7
The Q4 is the top of the line *164*. The 24 valve version of the 3
litre 6. The Q4 is one model up from the (230hp) cloverleaf.
Satisfied ?
-Dave.
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| 1946.14 | Caterham. | NEWOA::SAXBY | Mean and Brooklands Green! | Thu Nov 12 1992 09:31 | 8 |
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I thought the HPC nomenclature was only used Vauxhall engined
Caterhams, but I'm no expert on Dinky cars! :^)
Still, even if the 1.7 litre Caterham DOES give 170 BHP, it doesn't
have a 3 litre engine OR produce 250 BHP!
Mark
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| 1946.15 | :-0 | DUBSWS::KANE_BF | The clot, thickens.... | Thu Nov 12 1992 09:36 | 7 |
| � The Q4 is the top of the line *164*. The 24 valve version of the 3
� litre 6. The Q4 is one model up from the (230hp) cloverleaf.
Dave, I'm interested to know more about this Q4 since the Cloverleaf
has a 24 valve 3 litre V6 !
Mike.
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| 1946.16 | mouthfull | WEOPON::LP12 | | Thu Nov 12 1992 09:53 | 2 |
| The full name of the Q4 is the Super Cloverleaf Q4 I think. I'll look
up full details when I find the mag....
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| 1946.17 | As far as I know... | UNTADH::WILCOCKSON | Brrrrrrr | Thu Nov 12 1992 14:26 | 6 |
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Q4 (if the 155 is anything to go by) means "4 wheel drive" - and I
don't think they make a 4wd 164. The "Super" (210bhp) is the top of the
range, but has less power than the "Cloverleaf" (230bhp) - both are 24
valve, and neither use the "Q4" in their title.
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| 1946.18 | | WAYOUT::WAYOUT::LOAT | Bored....Bored....BORED!!!! | Fri Nov 13 1992 10:46 | 6 |
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The 155 Q4 was featured in last nights 'Top Gear'. Very tasty motor.
A Lancia Delta Integrale in a business suit!
Steve.
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| 1946.19 | maybe, maybe not | WEOPON::LP12 | | Sat Nov 14 1992 04:33 | 5 |
| The 164 Q4 does have 4wd. Reading the magazine article, the wording is
not clear whether the engine in the Q4 has a turbo - given the context
I had assumed additional tweaks for the quad cam Cloverleaf V6.
It could be the same unit as in the 155.
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| 1946.20 | there will indeed be a 260bhp 164 | ZPOVC::GGLOH | Singapore | Sun Nov 15 1992 13:01 | 9 |
| Quoting straight from AUTOCAR & MOTOR (23 Sep 1992):
"...The new Alfa 164 Super range will be powered by 24-valve quad-cam
versions of the three-litre V6 engine, boosting power output of the
Lusso from 192 to 210 bhp and the Cloverleaf from 200 to 230bhp...The
Super range is due to go on sale in the UK in summer 1993 and, shortly
after, it will be joined by a new flagship. The 164 Super Cloverleaf
Q4 will be powered by a 260 bhp version of the V6 with power driven via
a six-speed gearbox through all four wheels..."
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| 1946.21 | 2 Q4's soon... | UNTADH::WILCOCKSON | Brrrrrrr | Wed Nov 25 1992 14:46 | 12 |
| re.20
164 Q4...
Yup, I agree. I've just read this months CAR, and it says the same -
should be good when it arrives.
re.the 155 Q4
It's got the same mechanicals (engine, gearbox, 4wd system) as the
Integrale, but not the same chassis (unfortuneately) - that it gets from
the Tipo. The interior is also a bit Tipoish, or should that be cheapoish?
- anyway, it's still quite nice (if a bit ugly, but then I like ugly
cars) and you certainly wont see many off them around.
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