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| 1827.1 | DIR/TIT | FIXER::SHELLEYR | Knocking on Heaven's daw-waw | Thu Jul 09 1992 08:23 | 10 |
| Re: <<< Note 1827.0 by WELCLU::DREW >>>
Sorry Graham, can't help. I think my RS is quick enough.
If its a lease car, the insurance people won't be too happy if you
start tinkering around.
Perhaps you should have tried dir/title as the Fiesta RS Turbo note
is #1134.
Roy
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| 1827.2 | Legal power boost | WOTVAX::MEAKINS | Clive Meakins | Thu Jul 09 1992 10:07 | 9 |
| A minor, but worthwhile tweak maybe to have the wastegate adjusted to
conform to the top end of Ford's spec. When I had my RS Escort some
time ago, it arrived with the turbo set to the lowest boost that Ford
specified. This wasn't unusual and it's a good way to reduce warranty
claims.
So, find out what the Ford spec is and get it adjusted, should make a
noticable difference. Anything else you do would probably invalidate
your insurance - think about the possible consequences of that....
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| 1827.3 | | BELFST::FLANAGAN | Sir your shrubbery attacked me | Thu Jul 09 1992 11:04 | 13 |
| I think the max psi you can safely extract without chipping and simply
adjusting the wastegate actuator nut is about 8 to 9 psi. If you try
and go above this without a new chip in the EMU, then it will call a
halt to procedings and shut down. I'm running 15psi in my Escort with
a BBR chip and new replacment little black box on the fuel injection
metering head to raise the fuel pressure sufficiently to avoid pinking.
I've had faultless running since the conversion and it makes the car
much more drivable.
I wouldn't try and adjust the wastegate yourself without attaching a
boost gauge. It's probably running at about 6 - 7 psi at the moment.
Gary.
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| 1827.4 | | FIXER::SHELLEYR | Knocking on Heaven's daw-waw | Thu Jul 09 1992 13:06 | 9 |
| OK, so why are the standard settings at 7-8psi whenb the performance
is better at 8-9 ?
Presumably for longer engine life. If as a result premature mechanical
repair is necessary and it is discovered that the wastgate has been
adjusted then the lease company will be unhappy about paying for
it (this is only relevent if its a lease car were talking about).
Roy
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| 1827.5 | | BELFST::FLANAGAN | Sir your shrubbery attacked me | Thu Jul 09 1992 14:15 | 9 |
| There is no way of telling though if the wastegate actuator has been
adjusted. If the garage check the boost and see that it is at 8 or
9psi, then they can't say that you have made it so. There is bound to
be a flucuation on factory set boost levels. Some cars may be at the
lower end of the scale, with some being at the higher end. When I
bought my Escort, it was running 8psi. I was told by BBR that most
they see are set around 6 or 7psi. Still I prefer my new found 15 :-)
Gary.
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| 1827.6 | gauge that boost! | WELCLU::DREW | | Thu Jul 09 1992 18:46 | 12 |
|
Guys,
It IS a lease car, but as Gary says, I think that they would have
a few probs in proving that the actuator had been tampered with!
Point is, where can I get a boost guage from and how does it fit?
If it was set at 7psi, would I notice the increase to 9psi anyway?
Thanks for all your help so far, and sorry for my ignorance!
Graham.
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| 1827.7 | | BELFST::FLANAGAN | Sir your shrubbery attacked me | Thu Jul 09 1992 19:00 | 12 |
| Graham the boost gauge has a rubber hose dangling out the end of it wit
a T-piece at the end. You just pop the rubber hose that comes from
your inlet plenum chamber and goes to your ECU (this blows-up the ECU
:-) and tells it what the boost is so that it can work out how much
fuel to inject etc) off and connect in the boost gauge vie the T-piece.
Then close the bonnet and bring the gauge in through a side window.
Take the beast for a spin and see what it's blowing. The boost
pressure will rise a couple of psi above normal with every gear change
and will then drop down and sit steadily. Gauge your adjustment on this
figure.
Gary.
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| 1827.8 | | BELFST::FLANAGAN | Sir your shrubbery attacked me | Thu Jul 09 1992 19:01 | 4 |
| Oh forgot to say... a couple of psi do make a difference, but who's
counting ;-)
Gary.
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| 1827.9 | Puts the wind up me! | WELCLU::DREW | | Thu Jul 09 1992 22:45 | 12 |
| Great,
!) Where can I get one?
2) How much do they cost?
3) Is there a Field service part number?
4)Whatever happened to "old style" tune-ups IE. Slot mags and
a whippy aeriel?
Graham.
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| 1827.10 | 1 speeding ticket is enough... | WELCLU::OVERELL | | Thu Jul 23 1992 20:39 | 5 |
|
Hello Graham...
I think I'll tell Dickie...........................only kiddin'
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| 1827.11 | No such thing as TOO fast! | WELCLU::DREW | | Sat Jul 25 1992 21:12 | 10 |
|
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.....wastgate adjusted and all systems go!
Keith.....no good squealing mate...he's got to catch me first!
By the way, had any more train/engine management probs?
Graham.
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| 1827.12 | Too GSi or to GSi..That is.... | WELCLU::OVERELL | | Sun Jul 26 1992 11:15 | 9 |
|
Morning...
The second GSi2000 went back after it screwed up in London when Pete
Sladden and myself went for a bite to eat after telling the customer
that we would only be gone for 20 mins.......finally got back to site
about an hour later.
So the car went back to Reading, and I now have a Honda Prelude (old
style) which is a temporary replacement until I get a new car....
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| 1827.13 | The phantom raspberry blower of old London town... | BELFST::FLANAGAN | Sir your shrubbery attacked me | Mon Jul 27 1992 14:24 | 5 |
| Graham did you get hold of a boost gauge to check the boost, and if so
what psi did you adjust your wastegate to and can you notice a
difference? ;-)
Gary.
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| 1827.14 | Respect is due, Mr Lister! | WELCLU::DREW | | Mon Jul 27 1992 19:38 | 19 |
|
Q. Did I get hold of a boost gauge?
A. NO.
Q. When I was adjusting the wastegate, did the spanner slip leaving me
with no idea how much I had adjusted?
A.Yes.
Q. Does it now go like the proverbial rocket?
A.Yes.
Q. Am I a lucky b*****d?
A.Yes.
Keith, Honda Prelude...call THAT a car?
Graham.
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| 1827.15 | :L-) | FUTURS::WATSON | Fee fi fo fum, | Tue Jul 28 1992 09:41 | 4 |
| Having driven both a Ford Fiesta RS Turbo and the Honda 2.3i Prelude, Yes I
would call the Preluda a car.
Rik
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| 1827.16 | he smiled to me at ***mph. | BASCAS::BELL_A1 | two wheels and 138bhp.... | Tue Jul 28 1992 10:57 | 5 |
|
having chased a Honda prelude at speeds far exceeding that of a Fiesta
RSt's top end I would call the prelude 2.3i a rather nippy car...
Alan.
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| 1827.17 | From What Crap.... | DOOZER::JENKINS | Suitably refreshed | Tue Jul 28 1992 17:09 | 4 |
|
The Prelude is "booked" as being 2mph faster than an RS.
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| 1827.18 | Tarttrap for the over 80's! | WELCLU::DREW | | Tue Jul 28 1992 18:10 | 4 |
| It might go faster, but you have to be a grandad or a hairdresser
to drive it!
Can anyone confirm that the prelude has a zimmer-frame as a no cost
option?
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| 1827.19 | | NEWOA::SAXBY | Born again reincarnationist | Tue Jul 28 1992 18:19 | 7 |
|
Re .18
Have you seen the NEW Prelude? Everything you say of the previous
models is true, but the new car is a bit of a change!
Mark
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| 1827.20 | Honda Pension..sorry "Prelude"! | WELCLU::DREW | | Tue Jul 28 1992 20:42 | 6 |
| No, I havent seen the NEW Prelude....next time I pass one I will slow
down for a look!
Keith, your car is a 2.3, arent you being stung for tax?
Graham.
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| 1827.21 | surprised ?? it took a week to get over it.. | ODDONE::BELL_A1 | two wheels and 138bhp.... | Wed Jul 29 1992 12:18 | 12 |
|
re .17
picture the scene
a Porsche 911 turbo, a Honda Prelude 2.3 (may have been 2.4) andm me
(I'm on a slightly tuned superbike) at approx 150mph (my speedo
reading) the porsche pulled over and dropped back at approx 155mph the
prelude driver was looking at me and smiling. ittook alot of effort and
hard acceleration for me to actually pass him. Needless to say I've
never had this problem with any Ford...
Alan
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| 1827.22 | That was no smile it was a grimace !! | UFHIS::GVIPOND | | Wed Jul 29 1992 12:28 | 5 |
|
Al this proves is that the Porsche driver does after all have some
sense and life preserving instinct, and not which motor is faster.
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| 1827.23 | the only difference was me..... | ODDONE::BELL_A1 | two wheels and 138bhp.... | Wed Jul 29 1992 12:34 | 7 |
|
re-1
nah...it proves that the Porshe driver never had a point to prove.
Alan
ps the other 2 were 'racing' before I joined them.......@140+mph..
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| 1827.24 | 150+ in a Prelude? Ummmmm.... | NEWOA::SAXBY | Born again reincarnationist | Wed Jul 29 1992 12:35 | 4 |
|
It also suggests that motorbike speedos aren't very accurate either!
Mark
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| 1827.25 | wheel slippage is a problem.. | ODDONE::BELL_A1 | two wheels and 138bhp.... | Wed Jul 29 1992 12:40 | 7 |
|
Mark,
we all know that legally a road going vehicle has to have a speedo
calibrated to �10%, and my bike is 'technically' legal, as checked by
Hampshire Constabulary.
Alan.
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| 1827.26 | | NEWOA::SAXBY | Born again reincarnationist | Wed Jul 29 1992 12:46 | 8 |
| � <<< Note 1827.25 by ODDONE::BELL_A1 "two wheels and 138bhp...." >>>
� -< wheel slippage is a problem.. >-
Sounds like fun at 100+ MPH! :^)
Mark
PS Is �10% true? I thought speedos were only allowed to OVERread?
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| 1827.27 | physics, ?? | ODDONE::BELL_A1 | two wheels and 138bhp.... | Wed Jul 29 1992 13:37 | 14 |
|
re -1
tyres slip at moderate speeds. Their ability to move a vehicle forward
is by friction 100% friction would be detrimental to speed/performance
as the tyre would stick and have to be pulled from the surface of the
road. Therefore with the wheel slipping (as designed to do) the fun
factor is nothing more than normal motorcycling pleasure.
The Road Traffic Act and Contruction and Use Act I belive state that
manufactured vehicle velocity reporting devices (Odometer, 'technical
name') will be calibrated to within 10%.
Alan.
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| 1827.28 | But it isn't that quick! | DOOZER::JENKINS | Suitably refreshed | Wed Jul 29 1992 17:20 | 10 |
|
I think the new Prelude is a rip off of the old XJS design
which sort of means I like it :-(
The Prelude develops 160bhp and has a power to weight ratio
similar to a Honda 50 ;-) The Porsche on the other hand has
about 250 bhp and probably a power to weight ratio similar to
you on the bike.
Richard.
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| 1827.29 | In a hurry to pick up his pension? | WELCLU::DREW | | Thu Jul 30 1992 01:12 | 17 |
|
Re.21
Are you trying to tell me that a Honda Prelude is faster than
a 911 Turbo....?
Honda Prelude - 130mph - 8.3 0-60mph - #19675
Fiesta RS Turbo - 128mph - 7.5 0-60mph - #12730
Porsche 911 Turbo - 168mph - 4.8 0-60mph - #78319
In the value-for-money stakes, dont the figures speak
for themselves? (7 GRAND buys you - .8 second SLOWER to 60mph
and only an extra 2mph top end)!
As for the 911, well we can all dream...............
Graham.
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| 1827.30 | | FUTURS::WATSON | Fee fi fo fum, | Thu Jul 30 1992 09:27 | 10 |
| Where did you get the figures for the Prelude ?
For the 2.3i (off the top of my head)
Close to 140mph (138 ?)
0-60mph somewhere between 7.5 and 7.8
Cost �18,500'ish.
Also the 0-60 for the 911 seems a little slow, Road & Track managed to
get an ``old'' turbo from 0-60 in under 4.5 secs.
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| 1827.31 | | NEWOA::SAXBY | Born again reincarnationist | Thu Jul 30 1992 09:48 | 10 |
|
Road & Track - Ha! They got a bog standard Calibra 16v from 0-60 in
7.something low seconds. No way!!!!
However, the figures for the Prelude in .30 look better than in the
preceding note. And 140 + 10% does come out at 154 mph, but how did
a Prelude keep up with a Porsche 911 or a superbike on acceleration
that close to its maximum speed?
Mark
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| 1827.32 | 911 turbo! | EEMELI::HAUTALA | GasMan | Thu Jul 30 1992 10:34 | 7 |
|
If one wants to compare Honda and Porsche it should be NSX, not
Prelude. Prelude could never beat 911. NSX is more sport, but I
would still choose Porsche.
Hannu
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| 1827.33 | it 'redlines' at 11720 btw... | ODDONE::BELL_A1 | two wheels and 138bhp.... | Thu Jul 30 1992 11:06 | 13 |
|
yo lads (and lasses)
no one (or I wasn't anyway) comparing the 911 to the Prelude. I was
only trying to say that I followed this thing for 2 miles at speeds
that I feel inappropriate for a Fiesta. The Porsche driver seemed happy
to 'push' the Prelude until I joined them. I have no doubt that the
Porsche had loads in reserve, where as the Honda probably had **** all
(read: nothing). It's just that this was/is the first time time that
I've had to use 9,000rpm to pass a car (and a prelude at that).
Alan.
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| 1827.34 | Ok | EEMELI::HAUTALA | GasMan | Thu Jul 30 1992 11:33 | 9 |
|
re -1:
Got it.
Hannu
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| 1827.35 | | RUTILE::BISHOP | What the HELL are you talking about man! | Thu Jul 30 1992 11:35 | 8 |
| I've had a 2.3i Prelude (93 model) up to 200kph (approx 125/130mph)
on the autoroute whilst on a test drive for a minimal time only.
Although prefectly comfortable at this speed i wouldn't say it was
'cruising'. More like 'giving it's best'. Still a wonderful car, and
the price difference between the UK and France is ridiculous. 18 grand?
Only 13 here! ;-) Makes it almost affordable! ;-)
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| 1827.36 | And you would still have change from a shilling! | WELCLU::DREW | | Fri Jul 31 1992 10:43 | 6 |
| Arent we all missing the point here........
The only time a Prelude is driven fast, is when it's geriatric owner
is late for a dominoes game at the local "rest-home"!
G.
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| 1827.37 | so little power..so much time ? | WELCLU::OVERELL | | Sun Aug 02 1992 23:16 | 9 |
| Talking of rest homes....how is life at Foulness, and do they let you
out on your own now Graham.......
Is their any truth in the rumour that Fords now offer an optional
cryogenic chamber, so that XR2 drivers who want real performance will
still be alive in 2050. By then they should have a sports hatch that is
competitive without the need for boyracer mods.......
...or is this just a pipedream..?
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| 1827.38 | "Honda, I shrunk the performance!" | WELCLU::DREW | | Mon Aug 03 1992 17:51 | 19 |
| Keith,
Who said anything about XR2s..were talking RS here old boy!
As for the other-place, well, lets not go into that, eh?
By the way, I looked up "Prelude" in the dictionary;
ADJECTIVE:Common English Slang;PRELUDE:"To drive slowly without
regard to other road users." VULGAR SLANG:"slang nickname for
the brown stuff found in the bottom of toilets".
Never mind.................
Oh yes, whats this story about the 200ZX? Maybe you had better
reply in a mail!
Graham.
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| 1827.39 | :-) | FUTURS::WATSON | Fee fi fo fum, | Mon Aug 03 1992 18:19 | 10 |
| -< "Honda, I shrunk the performance!" >-
Q: Name every non-turbo production car that can produce >90bhp / litre
A: Honda *
Q: Which car in standard form has more power ?
1: Honda Civic VTi.
2: Ford Fiesta RS Turbo.
Rik.
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| 1827.40 | Absence makes the farts go Honda | DOOZER::JENKINS | Suitably refreshed | Tue Aug 04 1992 13:07 | 6 |
|
Q: Name some manufacturers with cars having more than 100bhp/litre
A: Vauxhall, Ford, Nissan, Mazda etc
Q: Name one that doesn't
A: Honda
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| 1827.41 | | ESBS01::RUTTER | Gee GIGO gum ! | Tue Aug 04 1992 13:18 | 6 |
| � Q: Name every non-turbo production car that can produce >90bhp / litre
How about production cars that produce more than 90 lb/ft torque per litre,
do Honda still fit the bill ?
J.R.
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| 1827.42 | Good....for shopping! | WELCLU::DREW | | Tue Aug 04 1992 18:26 | 7 |
| Re .39.
How much is a Sickvic (Civic) VTi ?
G.
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| 1827.43 | Source - What crap! | DOOZER::JENKINS | Suitably refreshed | Tue Aug 04 1992 19:04 | 3 |
|
Civic Vti
�14,750 1600cc 158 bhp 128mph 0-60 7.8
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| 1827.44 | A-lice in Hondaland! | WELCLU::DREW | | Wed Aug 05 1992 02:16 | 3 |
|
substantially more expensive...and slower!
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| 1827.45 | Stop BITCHING Girls | WELCLU::YOUNG | | Fri Aug 07 1992 21:28 | 17 |
|
A-lice in Hondaland... I like it Graham!!
I have driven Grahams Turbo and it is not only quick but very flexible
and very tight handling!! (how close to that road cone did you say we
were Graham?)
I haven't driven a honda civic or prelude so I can't comment.......but then
again I don't particularly want to!
Anyway isn't the Turbo discontinued the equivelent is the RS 1800
with the well recognised ZETA engine (16valve 130bhp and bags of torque
and much smoother)
Don't know any more detail but sounds interesting!
Richard
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| 1827.46 | Traffic cone......what traffic cone? | WELCLU::DREW | | Mon Aug 10 1992 00:16 | 14 |
| Richard,
I dont know how close we were to the roadcone...I was in
"crash-position" with my eyes shut!
You are correct about the RS1800, I have seen a couple on the road and
they look like a more subtle version of the Turbo (no bonnet grills
etc). First reports say that they are more refined but slightly slower.
As far as the Fiesta handling goes...anything has got to be better than
a Mk1 3.0 Capri......mind you, I have yet to drive a RS3100...that
could be fun!
Graham.
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| 1827.47 | | LARVAE::HUTCHINGS_P | Manchester City | Mon Aug 10 1992 11:36 | 8 |
| Driven both capri's...
and they BOTH handled like an ice cube on a skating rink..
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| 1827.48 | Capri Handling | WELCLU::YOUNG | | Mon Aug 10 1992 11:54 | 10 |
|
Capri's handle like an ice cube on a skating rink?
I beg to differ!
I don't think mine was that good!!!!!
Richard 8*)
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| 1827.49 | Scoobydoo! | WELCLU::DREW | | Mon Aug 10 1992 20:01 | 10 |
| You think the Capri was bad...........
ever tried a VW Transporter at 100mph?
.......or a Honda Prelude at 30mph......(sorry guys..i wont start that
again!!!!).
Graham.
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| 1827.50 | | TASTY::JEFFERY | I do not think you wanted to do that! | Mon Aug 10 1992 21:08 | 1 |
| I thought the Transporter was great!
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| 1827.51 | | NSDC::SIMPSON | | Mon Aug 10 1992 22:42 | 13 |
| RE: -.1
Ditto, they handle like a dream!
How about a Mk III Cortina '72 model which would do 360 degree pirouettes
anytime the road was slightly damp (happened 3 times before I parted with it).
On a 150 degree bend on a major road near the Old Kent Road it did this -
without touching any of the cars parked on either side. As a debutant I thought
that it was my driving - but soon get to know better!
Cheers
Steve
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| 1827.52 | HOW DID YOU GET THAT FLAME OUT OF THE EXHAUST? | WELCLU::DREW | | Tue Aug 11 1992 19:31 | 9 |
|
HAS ANYONE TRIED SHIFTING INTO FIRST GEAR (VERY LOW!) AT 45MPH IN
A TRANSPORTER.............I HAVE...........ITS QUITE AN EXPENSIVE
HOBBY!....BUT FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!
GRAHAM.
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| 1827.53 | you never know who'sin front.. | WELCLU::OVERELL | | Wed Aug 12 1992 22:23 | 26 |
|
Graham...
Not wanting to pi** on your bonfire, but I have been reading the VTEC
note. It has entries from a Dec employee wanting to know how to remove
the rev limiter to allow for greater performance..(not that it needs
it...but thats another bag of worms ) anyway he has a company car.
the last entry in the note (when I last looked) was from a guy
called Chris Palmer..and guess who he works for.
He used to work at DECpark for Insurance...and now works for
carfleet..caretaking Hilary Bailey's job...So be careful what you post
here....
See you on the road...But dont try and catch me
Keith.
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| 1827.54 | OOOooooops! | WELCLU::DREW | | Thu Aug 13 1992 18:56 | 14 |
|
For the record.......
my car is standard, factory issue.
Now, about that 427 cubic inch motor you had in the Cavalier
Keith.........!
Graham.
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| 1827.55 | No modification needed | BELFST::FLANAGAN | Sir your shrubbery attacked me | Fri Aug 14 1992 14:56 | 5 |
| Yes Graham I told you that there is a lot of fluctuation in factory set
boost settings. Just turns out that you have been lucky and got one
that is on the upper edge of the envelope ;-)
Gary.
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| 1827.56 | I should be so lucky, lucky, lucky! | WELCLU::DREW | | Fri Aug 14 1992 18:56 | 4 |
|
Yes....25 psi worth of "lucky"......I wish!
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| 1827.57 | fiesta is fun? | EEMELI::HAUTALA | Cats In The Cradle | Thu Nov 12 1992 13:48 | 6 |
|
Any comments about Fiesta RS with 1.8 litre 130hp engine?
If the price will be reasonable here in Finland (for lease)
it could be a possible candidate as next "leasemobile."
Hannu
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| 1827.58 | | KERNEL::SHELLEYR | | Fri Nov 13 1992 09:46 | 15 |
| Hannu,
I currently drive the RS turbo and will be interested myself in the
1800 in a few months time when my lease is up for renewal.
The reports I've read suggest that the RS 1800 is much smoother than
the Turbo but not as quick.
I'm tempted to move away from Ford to something like a Sunny GTi or
Clio 16v, but as with these frosty mornings I'd miss the convenience of
a heated front screen.
Roy
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| 1827.59 | Darling, don't turn right until you have to | DUBSWS::KANE_BF | The clot, thickens.... | Fri Nov 13 1992 10:45 | 3 |
| I luv watchin Ford drivers belt along with supercilious look on visage
'cause their windscreen happens to be nice and clear, while for the most
part of the journey the side windies remain igloo-esque.
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| 1827.60 | Tank driver replies..... | VOGON::KAPPLER | Miss Lilly kissed me! | Fri Nov 13 1992 12:53 | 6 |
| Why would one need to turn right? Or left for that matter?
If one needs to turn right or left, one must have set off in the wrong
direction in the first place.........
JK
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| 1827.61 | | KERNEL::SHELLEYR | | Fri Nov 13 1992 12:58 | 6 |
| Unless the side windows are completely iced solid, it is very easy to
wind both side windows down for sideways vision when necessary.
Roy (Supercillious Ford driver :-) )
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| 1827.62 | blind grandpa drives in mist | EEMELI::HAUTALA | Cats In The Cradle | Fri Nov 13 1992 13:03 | 10 |
|
How about power windows? Are they handy, if you need to open side
windwows while turning left or right? 8-)
My first car was VW Beetle and wintertime driving was like %$�&!
Fortunately I remembered well the lay of the land!
Hannu
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| 1827.63 | | DUBSWS::KANE_BF | The clot, thickens.... | Fri Nov 13 1992 13:08 | 5 |
| Is it true that one cannot order a new Ford with heated front screen
_and_ electric windows, as the former option prompts the premature
demise of the latter's motor ? ;-)
Mike.
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| 1827.64 | | KERNEL::SHELLEYR | | Fri Nov 13 1992 14:05 | 9 |
| Someones been winding you up Mike.
It is true that HFW uses a lot of current but most cars with this
option have leccy windows as well.
Because it acts so quickly you can turn off (in fact mine times out)
the heated front screen after about a minute or so.
Roy
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| 1827.65 | I'd be happy to have a rear heated window. | KERNEL::SALMONJ | Jason Salmon | Fri Nov 13 1992 14:35 | 7 |
| re.62
I still drive a Beetle and You're not far wrong, if you turn the
heating on before the engine is sufficiently warm you end up freezing
the windscreen on the inside never mind about the outside.
Jason.
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| 1827.66 | s'like lookin out of a sieve | DUBSWS::KANE_BF | The clot, thickens.... | Fri Nov 13 1992 15:05 | 13 |
| re: .64
Roy my note was meant to imply that the lecky windows' motor burnt
out prematurely due to said Ford owners doggedly thumbing the lecky
window button [remember the windows are frosted], in an attempt to see
out whilst turning :-). Oui ?
It would've been a good joke had it been written properly.
Mike.
p.s. I drove my mate's Ford at night, and found those wires a bit
irritating. A good idea badly executed I'd say.
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| 1827.67 | | KERNEL::SHELLEYR | | Fri Nov 13 1992 15:21 | 11 |
| re .66
Ahh! I see where you're coming from.
I like your analogy about the sieve. My advice to anyone getting
a Ford with a heated front screen is to drive one at night as street
lamps and headlamps can be a bit dazzling and you may not be prepared
to live with it. It is probably for this reason that they are not
available from many other manufacturers.
Roy
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| 1827.68 | But then us mods are bett..... | DUBSWS::KANE_BF | The clot, thickens.... | Fri Nov 13 1992 15:46 | 7 |
|
Gosh !. Here I am trying to solicit the emotional wrath from a Ford owner
and all I'm getting in response to my petty attacks, is polite and
logical reasoning. What happened to the days of "eff-foff to another
topic you Citroen drivin gi...." ;-)
Mike.
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| 1827.69 | Focus on the road | WELCLU::YOUNG | | Mon Nov 16 1992 11:30 | 7 |
|
I used to drive a Ford with HFW. and although I found it distracting at
first....it catches your eye then your eyes focus on the wires and not
on the road...can be dodgy, but I found I soon got used to it and after
a while you don't notice it at all.
Richard
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| 1827.70 | | SUBURB::THOMASH | The Devon Dumpling | Mon Nov 16 1992 12:26 | 11 |
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I didn't get used to it, although I only did 200ish miles with the
hire car.
Because of the "getting-used-to" factor with some people, I surprised
they have these on hire cars.
Having you distracted, or vision distorted, whilst driving on unknown
roads sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Heather
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| 1827.71 | Another Ford special? | NSDC::KENNEDY_C | It don't mean nothing ... | Wed Nov 18 1992 14:36 | 7 |
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Quote (without permission):
If your car is fitted with a heated front windscreen then none of the
conventional radar detectors will work efficiently.
Interesting?
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| 1827.72 | | FORTY2::PALKA | | Wed Nov 18 1992 15:10 | 8 |
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Sounds reasonable to me. The wires would probably screen the radar
signal, though not as much as solid metal. A radar detector that had a
remote sensor (mounted in the bumper or some other suitable place not
screened by metal work) would not be affected.
Andrew
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