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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

1390.0. "Accident statistics - US Highways versus UK M-ways" by MAMTS2::63654::NAYLOR (Purring again.) Mon Mar 18 1991 14:37

After driving in to work for seven months or so now, one thing struck me this
morning... as far as I can remember, there has NEVER been a morning go by
when there hasn't been a list of accidents on the Washington Beltway that
seem to have no relationship to weather or traffic conditions.  Yes, there
are more in the snow or heavy rain, but generally there are announcements on
local radio for at least 4 or 5 accidents per morning.

Now, the Washington Beltway is not unlike the M25.  Both circle the city, both
have feeder motorways coming in and out and crossing, both have notorious jam
spots.  There are, however, some key differences: The M25 (to my knowledge) is
only 3 lanes in each direction, whereas the Beltway is 4 or more (6 in places).
The speed limit in the UK is higher.  Traffic density around London *may* be
higher due to higher population?  There are lots of other factors that could
be considered - basic road design and junction layout over here is poor - cars
have to cross the flow to get on and off (hard to describe, but a stupid layout)
and the driving test here is so p*ss easy a kid of 8 could pass it if they could
reach the pedals (only 2 generally!).

Although the speed limit in the UK is higher, I manage to cover the 21 miles to
work in 35-40 minutes, which for Washington is truly amazing!  The first 12
miles are "regular" dual carriageways with lights and intersections, the last
9 are the Beltway.  Traffic speeds vary from dead stop to 80 mph, although
that speed is rare and most times I don't get above 60-65.

My question is this - what's the average morning rush-hour accident rate on the
M25 and it's immediate feeders?  Worse than Washington, better or the same?

Brian
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1390.1about the sameSUBURB::THOMASHThe Devon DumplingTue Mar 19 1991 11:2414

	"and the traffic is stationary for the 6 mile approach to the Mormon 
	Temple"

	equates to

	"and the traffic is stationary for 6 miles on the east-bound approach
	to the dartford tunnel"


	Heather


1390.2SHIPS::SAXBY_MSmoke me a kipper...Tue Mar 19 1991 11:305
    
    This may be naive, but is 80 mph legal there? I know not all States
    have the double nickel (55 mph) limit anymore.
    
    Mark
1390.3SIEVAX::CORNESometimes you get the Elevator, sometimes the ShaftTue Mar 19 1991 13:255
No, but not that uncommon,

Jc

(are English MPH as good as American MPH?)
1390.4SUBURB::THOMASHThe Devon DumplingTue Mar 19 1991 13:483

	Pah!
1390.5BOOKIE::DAVEYTue Mar 19 1991 17:1111
65mph is the new maximum limit on 'rural' highways in the US.  Individual
states decide on which stretches of road they want to designate as 65mph.
The majority of roads are still 55mph maximum. I know that New Hampshire 
and New York states have stretches of 65mph designated roads, but 
Massachusetts at the moment has a balnket 55mph maximum.

My route through Massachusetts to New Hampshire to work is designated 55mph, 
but this is widely ignored unless police radar surveillance is particularly 
prevalent that day.

John
1390.6Re: .1GRANPA::63654::NAYLORPurring again.Tue Mar 19 1991 20:419
Wow!  I never knew there were that many mormons in this area! :^)

fwiw, the *average* speed of traffic on the DC beltway seems to be around
60-65, when the traffic's flowing well, even though the official limit is
55.  Interestingly, the state police cruisers all "go with the flow" at
60-65, but the county boys (who need more money) will slow everything down
to the legal limit.

Brian
1390.7SUBURB::THOMASHThe Devon DumplingThu Mar 21 1991 12:5425
	And another thing.........

	The beltway has an "inner ring" and the "outer ring", 
	the M5 has a "clockwise direction, and an anti-clockwise direction.

	Have Americans had digital watches for so long that they've forgotten 
	to "tell the time?"    :-)

	I have travelled the beltway from Silver Spring to Rockville on the
	"outer ring" on many occaisions during morning rush-hour for about a
	year and a half, and although this was 8 years ago, I shall never 
	forget the Mormon Temple!
	They even light it up at night, so you have something to look at whilst 
	you're parked!

	The main difference on them is the speed, and speed differential, when
	you can actually move.

	You can have vehicles that are limited to 50mph max in the inside lane,
	and 90+ MPH in the outer lane - you've got to be awake.
	I found that most people on the beltway travel the same speed across 
	all lanes and it was about 55. (it was 8 years ago!)

	Heather
1390.8Strange sense of direction?GRANPA::63654::NAYLORPurring again.Fri Mar 22 1991 19:4710
>	I have travelled the beltway from Silver Spring to Rockville on the

From Silver Spring to Rockville is north-south via route 97 or 185 or 355 or
even 270.  The beltway at that point is east-west.  Of course, you were going
the wrong direction!  All the traffic jams up going west in the morning because
of all the poor people employed in the Pentagon who can't afford to live on
that side of town -prices within decent areas to the northwest are out of sight!
Needless to say, I travel east in the morning, and west in the evening :-) :-)
Jam?  What jam?  Oh, you mean over there!
						B
1390.9exSUBURB::THOMASHThe Devon DumplingMon Mar 25 1991 09:409
	Even with the lovely jams at the Mormon temple, I found it quicker
	to drop down to the beltway, and then go along to the Rockville turnoff.

	All those other roads with everyone stopped at the 4-way signs, or loads
	of lights, used to drive me crazy!

	Luckily the job moved to Wheaton Plaza...................what a releif