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1337.1 | Forthcoming events | TRUCKS::SMART | Beware the passing bandwagon | Thu Jan 10 1991 13:22 | 13 |
| AWDC Events notified to date are:
Date Event Class Venue
Jan 13 Trial Std Arena Essex, Dartford
Jan 20 Trial Non Std Chartin House, East Grinstead
Feb 3 Trial All Temple Mill Farm, Banbury
Trial All Dale Side Farm, Hawnby, Cleveland
Feb 10 TBA
Feb 17 Trial TBA Yetnor Farm, Maidstone, Kent
Feb 24 Trial TBA Sidbury Hill, Tidworth, Wiltshire
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1337.2 | daihatsu | ODDONE::THOMSON_J | | Thu Jan 10 1991 14:25 | 4 |
| on the subject of four wheel drive do you have any opinions/experiences
on the Daihatsu fourtrak's
regards John
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1337.3 | | BRABAM::PHILPOTT | Col I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' Philpott | Thu Jan 10 1991 14:39 | 27 |
|
I recently attended two Daihatsu "Tough Tests" and found it fun to drive the
Daihatsu Fourtraks around. On the first occasion (fine weather after a few
days of rain) the ground conditions were perfect and the FT performed
beautifully.
On the second occasion, in the rain, they tended to get stuck a lot and needed
frequently to be pulled out by the local farmer's Land Rovers.
That said I find them rather good off road, especially the short wheel base
variants. However the shorty is a bit short of internal storage space, though
I suppose you could put a briefcase behind the back seat. Of course space is
reasonable with the seat folded. You'd have to consider it a 2+2 rather than
a workable 4 seater. Turning circle however is very good, making it good for
town traffic, manouevring in car parks etc, as well as weaving between the
obstacles off road that other vehicles like Land Rover 110s will have to
climb over or perform n-point turn manouevres to avoid them.
I've heard some adverse comments on build quality, but then again, I've heard
farmers say they are OK (especially as they are a few thousand quid cheaper
than the LR equivalent)
/. Ian .\
footnote: my brother-in-law, in Thailand, is a Daihatsu/Isuzu distributor and
he insists that they work very well in the frankly appaling road conditions out
there.
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1337.4 | thanks | ODDONE::THOMSON_J | | Thu Jan 10 1991 16:51 | 5 |
| Ian thanks for the info looks like my mind is prety much set on on it
seems very cheep on the car scheme , and as i have always wanted four
wheel drive nows the time :>)
/jt
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1337.5 | Daihatsu dilemma | TRUCKS::SMART | Beware the passing bandwagon | Thu Jan 10 1991 17:14 | 19 |
| John,
The only observation that I have is they lack ground clearance for
*serious* off road work but as Ian says this doesn't seem to detract
from the performance of the swb version.
Despite some poor publicity about "falling over" the Suzuki SJ is
a very competant performer for the average user although it lacks
power from its 1200cc (I think) engine whereas the Daihatsu offers
more "man sized" petrol and diesel versions.
I know a lady who tows a single horse box with a Sportrak Turbo
diesel and she raves about it but she's never taken up my offer
to come to an AWDC trial 8-).
BTW the Daihatsu is only a part time 4wd system and has no centre
diff and therefore the tranmission is liable to "wind up" on sealed
surfaces. I think I am right in saying only L-R offer full time
4wd.
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1337.6 | | BRABAM::PHILPOTT | Col I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' Philpott | Thu Jan 10 1991 17:21 | 16 |
|
the only other street legal full time four wheel drives are the Mercedes
G-Wagen and the bigger version of the Toyota Land Cruiser - both costing �25000
plus. (Plus some "commercial" vehicles - equally expensive)
Incidentally if you feel that the short wheel base and off road suspension
of the Daihatsu will give you a rough ride on highway there is a firm selling
"tuned" seat suspension units for about �200 - you dial in your body weight
and they even out the suspension lumps (a similar idea is used on some
commercial trucks). The result is a seriously smooth ride.
Incidentally the FourTrak quote on VTX at the moment is for a 2 litre petrol
version, which some think is under powered ...
/. Ian .\
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1337.7 | | ODDONE::THOMSON_J | | Thu Jan 10 1991 17:29 | 5 |
| well who's *serious * about off road that means getting muddy ??
being serious what do you mean by "winding up"
/jt
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1337.8 | Who's for a wind up? | TRUCKS::SMART | Beware the passing bandwagon | Fri Jan 11 1991 08:43 | 24 |
| "Winding up' of tranmission is due to there being no centre
differential thus both front and rear prop shafts have to rotate
at the same speed regardless of the load placed on them.
On a loose surface wheel spin is the resultant but on a sealed surface
tyre scrub occurs. When cornering each wheel has a slightly different
distance to travel. In two wheel drive the axle diff takes care of it
but when you are trying to rotate both axles at the same speed undue
stresses are placed on the drive train and this is known as wind up.
You can tell a part time system that has had a lot of use in this
mode by looking at the front tyres, particularly if the are block
type tread or shoulders. The blocks wear with a 45� chamfer that
is very noticable.
The L-R 90 and 110 have a centre diff lock for when the going gets
really tough!
Ian, thanks for the refresher. I tend to forget about the Merc as it
is way beyond most people's means (like a Vogue SE?).
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1337.9 | | BRABAM::PHILPOTT | Col I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' Philpott | Fri Jan 11 1991 09:44 | 56 |
|
Winding up:
A normal axle has a diff so that the wheels on each end can rotate at different
speeds when going round corners. Similarly the front and rear axles try to
rotate at different speeds on anything but a straight road. Without a centre
diff this can cause the transmission to act as a diff, or at least try to, and
the gear box seizes up in a condition known as wind up (or alternatively the
drive shafts can get a spiral metal fatigue crack, which is the origin of the
term and a notorious problem with old Land Rovers.)
Part time 4x4s come in two varieties: older style ones (old Landys, Jeep CJs,
UMM Alters and Daihatsus) have a permanently locked centre diff (ie no diff at
all) which is desirable off road as otherwise one wheel losing grip will result
in you getting stuck (only the spinning wheel will receive drive). Such
vehicles have to engage 4 wheel drive either stationary or at a low speed in
a straight line. This is in fact the strongest, and some would argue that for
off road use it is the best solution.
Modern "poseur" 4x4s have "engage on the fly" four wheel drive that can be
engaged at any reasonable speed as you drive along. This means that the
engagement system must cope with the fact that the front axle may be moving at
a different speed to the back, and hence they need a diff which cannot be
permanently locked. Hence in practice they have limited slip centre diffs
which are not so capable off road (they can still leave you with only a
spinning wheel driven).
If you have a shift at rest style system (Daihatsu) then you should not engage
4wd except off road or in muddy/snowy/rainy conditions on road (where a bit of
wheel spin can occur to stop the wind up). If you have a shift on the fly system
you could probably leave it in 4wd most of the time but it really isn't
recomended.
The final complication is that even with a locked centre diff (modern Landy
etc) or no diff (Daihatsu, UMM, old Landy) you can lose drive when one wheel
on each axle loses grip and spins. This can be obviated (Landy, Landy Discovery
Range Rover, UMM Alter) by the provision of limited slip diff on the back axle
but the real solution is to provide "cross axle" diff locks, either on both
axles or just the back one (the UMM alter has this option, the military Landys
have a Torsen "torque sensor" on the back which is nearly as good, the
Merc G-wagen has cross axle diffs front and back and a firm called ARB
("Australian Roo Bar") make an after market set up for a lot of vehicles.
This problem is most apparent with vehicles with less axle articulation, which
perhaps is why Landys have less need for this addition.
Finally some pure off road vehicles (the RTV, the Supacat 6wd, and a few others
I could think of) have permanently locked centre and selectable cross axle
diffs - they cannot go fast on highway but usually avoid wind up by having
very low pressure tyres which take up the wind up strains instead of the rigid
components.
And of course their is the solution Renault chose with the Quaddra version of
the Espace where wind up is absorbed by using a flexible plastic drive shaft!
/. Ian .\
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1337.10 | One motor sport at a time! | VOGON::MITCHELLE | Beware of the green meanie | Fri Jan 11 1991 09:45 | 9 |
|
I have attented trials and comp safaries run by Land-Rover Clubs, and
have really enjoyed them - but I'm usually only there as spectator, my
brother is the driver, but I have been 'navigator' for him. He runs a
Series 1, with it's original engine, and does very well with it!)
I have had a go off-road with my old Landy, and would like to do more,
but I think we can only tackle one motor sport at a time :-). If there
are any localish (to Reading) events, on weekends we are not racing or
doing emergeny repairs I'll try to attend!
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1337.11 | AWDC Hotline | TRUCKS::SMART | Beware the passing bandwagon | Fri Jan 11 1991 13:32 | 10 |
| A vital bit of information I neglected to put in my opening note:
AWDC have an events hotline with recorded information on all club
activities. Call 0252 620990.
I've just called and got the full sp on the event this weekend at
Essex Arena. The hotline details classes, secretaries of the event(s)
and their phone numbers, clerk of the corse and what facilities
are on site.
It's usually updated on a Monday with the coming week's events.
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1337.12 | AWDC Competition Events Latest | TRUCKS::SMART | Beware the passing bandwagon | Mon Feb 04 1991 13:04 | 31 |
| The AWDC events newsletter arrived this weekend. Fixtures are:
Date Event Class Venue
Feb 10 Trial All Nethercott Farm, Bampton, Devon
Feb 17 Trial TBA Yetnor Farm, Maidstone, Kent
Mini Safari Piccadilly Farm, Cheltenham
Feb 24 Trial All Sidbury Hill, Tidworth, Wiltshire
Trial All Long Wood Farm, Cheltenham
Mar 3 Trial All Rogerly Quarry, Stanhope, Lincs
Trial TBA Clyro, Powys
Mar 10 Safari Champ Arena Essex, off M25 @ Dartford Tunnel
Mar 17 Trial TBA West Harptree, Bath
Trial TBA Gotwick Wood, East Grinstead
Mar 24 Trial TBA Bridgetown, Cannock
Trial TBA Minehead, Devon
Mar 31 TBA
Events for April and May are very sketchy. Those that are firm are:
Apr 14 Trail Hampton Park, Leominster
May 12 Trial Manby, Nr Louth, Lincs
May 19 trial Broxhead Common, Bordon, Hampshire
Also worth a mention is the Sandocross at Weston-super-Mare April 28th.
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1337.13 | Trial by porridge? | TRUCKS::SMART | When you're in a hole, stop digging! | Wed Feb 27 1991 14:09 | 53 |
|
AWDC Trial - Sidbury Hill, 24th Feb
It was cold, wet, windy and the driving conditions could best be
described as "interesting". Actually, it was like driving on porridge!
We were not competing this time, but we did marshall some of the
sections. Even on the drive between the sections you had to pick your
route carefully so that you did not stop in the middle of a quagmire
with the risk of not getting going again! Sidbury is mainly chalk
under a thin layer of grassy clay. In many areas the grass has been
stripped away as the Army use ths as a training ground for both wheeled
and track laying vehicles. When we trialed there last August it was
like driving on talcum powder!
Three classes were contested: modified, standard road taxed and
non-standard road taxed. We didn't see too much of the modifieds but
the bit I did see they had laid out some fairly demanding sections
especially considering the conditions.
The road taxed classes followed roughly the same course but with some
of the potentially more damaging sections toned down for the standard
class. The tank trap proved to be a great crowd puller with about two
feet of chalk slurry in the bottom and entrance and exit slopes of
between 30� to 45� which got trickier as they got wetter.
The next section *looked* tame until the first vehcle broke the
surface! There was the porridge! A couple of Merc Gwagens with their
diff locks struggled through - in more experienced hands it would have
been a doddle. The V8 90 romped through as did some of the lightweight
Suzukis. Some of the Range Rovers had to be pulled out but generally
the skill level of the RR drivers was not up to the same level as the
LRs and Suzukis. (Stand by for barage of mails!) It was on this stage
I really started to notice a young couple in their G reg Suzuki Vitara.
Oh dear! Get stuck was an understatement!
As the day went on the Vitara got stuck more frequently - the terrain
was just too difficult for this very low slung little vehicle. On a
later stage it got totally grounded with all four wheels clear of the
ground! The section had been designed across a tank track so there
were two furrows about a foot deep and about 100 inched apart. Guess
what? The Range Rovers all got hung up! The 90s had no problem as did
the group of 109/110 LWB Land Rovers. For the more experienced who
took the trouble to walk the course before attempting it they would
have realised that the gates were wide enough to allow the track to be
taken at an angle and not get hung up. Lesson for next time.
We didm't stay for the final results - we were too cold and out of
coffee! When Marshalling you can hide in your vehcle with the heater
running as some of the spectators were doing.
Generally a good day was had by all!
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1337.14 | Next one? | VOGON::MITCHELLE | Beware of the green meanie | Wed Feb 27 1991 14:31 | 4 |
|
Sounds a good day out - when's the next one? - I enjoy going to these
events, but racing the 23 seams to take up a lot of weekends, (and
weekdays, and evenings..... )
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1337.15 | | CHEFS::CLEMENTSD | Public Sector and Telecomms | Wed Feb 27 1991 15:48 | 1 |
| not to mention money, it would seem....... ;-)
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1337.16 | ...and another garage to keep it in, and..... | VOGON::MITCHELLE | Beware of the green meanie | Thu Feb 28 1991 08:40 | 9 |
|
>> not to mention money, it would seem....... ;-)
we don't mention money.... I think if we added it all up we'd decide
that we couldn't afford it!
I suppose I could always 'off-road' the Landy on non race weekends,
...but then I'd want another Landy to tow the racer, and a heavy duty
trailer, and lots of space to store the spare wings etc......
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1337.17 | Off Roading at AWDC Events | TRUCKS::SMART | When you're in a hole, stop digging! | Fri Mar 01 1991 13:04 | 19 |
| .12 details the events calender for the AWDC.
All Wheel Driver, the AWDC mag arrived in the post yesterday but
I didn't get a chance to read it. I will update the events calender
from that and post it here and add all the pub meets that are listed
as well.
To attend the trials and safari meetings you don't have to be a member
and if the event allows there is the opportunity to drive between the
sections in your own vehicle. Safaris tend not to have drive arounds
for safety reasons. The only word of advice I would give is take it
steady (low box 2nd and 3rd most times) and forget it if you have road
pattern tyres - we pulled a Range Rover out at one point. He was
struggling on *very* worn XM&S. Our 90 is on a half worn set of
XM&S and had no trouble at all!
Hope to see you all at the next event.
Alan
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1337.19 | It's normally *FREE* | TRUCKS::SMART | When you're in a hole, stop digging! | Mon Mar 04 1991 13:02 | 14 |
| Re .18
There are no charges at normal competative AWDC events - RAC regulations
prohibit this.. I think you may be thinking of the events they have
run in the past like the Mansell Lacey weekends and last year's
open day at Long Valley, Aldershot. These were not competative
events but "fun" days aimed at promoting the club. For these AWDC
membership was needed to ensure that you were covered for insurance
purposes.
Forgot to bring in All Wheel Driver (sorry!) to update the diary
of events. Easter weekend sees an all classes trial and a safari
at Long Valley. I will *try* to remember it tomorrow - there's
an article in there about green laneing with a Scammell.....
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1337.20 | Still considering the Jeep - one week to decide | CHEST::RUTTER | Rut-The-Nut | Mon Mar 04 1991 13:16 | 10 |
| � events but "fun" days aimed at promoting the club. For these AWDC
My comment was based on the 'Fun Trial' over Christmas.
I didn't realise AWDC events were otherwise free.
Seems odd that RAC reg's prohibit this, when all rallies charge
an entry fee (to pay the 'criminally-high' charge to Forestry Commission).
J.R.
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1337.21 | | VOGON::MITCHELLE | Beware of the green meanie | Mon Mar 04 1991 13:53 | 4 |
|
I don't know about AWDC events, but the LRC Club I belong to does
practically all it's trials/comp safaries/recoverys on private farm
land, so maybe that is why they are not allowed to charge.
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1337.22 | AWDC Events Calender | TRUCKS::SMART | When you're in a hole, stop digging! | Tue Mar 05 1991 13:03 | 44 |
| As promised, the AWDC latest events calender
Mar 10 Safari Champ Arena Essex, off M25 @ Dartford Tunnel
Mar 17 Trial All West Harptree, Bath
Trial Mod Gotwick Wood, East Grinstead
Mar 24 Trial All Bridgetown, Cannock
Trial All Minehead, Devon
Mar 30 Safari Champ Long Valley, Aldershot
Mar 31 Trial All Long Valley, Aldershot
Apr 1 Trial All Piccadilly Farm, Cheltenham
Apr 7 Trial All Pen-Y-Fan, Pontypool
Safari Mini Warden Law, Durham
Apr 14 Trail All Hampton Park, Leominster
Then things get a little vague....
May 5/6 Trial South east
Trial South west
May 12 Trial Manby, Nr Louth, Lincs
Trial Wales
May 19 Trial Broxhead Common, Bordon, Hampshire
Trial Midlands
May 26 Safari North east region
May 27 Trial North east region
Jun 2 Trial Weavers Down, Bordon, Hampshire
Trial Wales
Jun 9 Trial Bristol area
Jun 15/6 Trial Midlands area
Jun 23 Trial Western area
Trial North east area
Don't forget the AWDC hotline for details of this weekend's events
0252 620990
Also worth a mention is the Sandocross at Weston-super-Mare April 28th.
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1337.23 | AWDC Events news | TRUCKS::SMART | When you're in a hole, stop digging! | Wed Mar 27 1991 13:35 | 63 |
| There is a proposed Green Lane weekend in Wiltshire planned for
April/May. If you are interested (and an AWDC member) call Liz Hurley
on 0761 71159.
Mar 30 Safari Champ Long Valley, Aldershot
Mar 31 Trial All Long Valley, Aldershot
Apr 1 Trial All Piccadilly Farm, Cheltenham
Apr 7 Trial All Pen-Y-Fan, Pontypool
Safari Mini Warden Law, Durham
Apr 14 Trail All Hampton Park, Leominster
Trial Mod,RTV Smeatharpe Stadium, Chard, Somerset
Apr 21 Safari Champ Bovington, Dorset
May 5/6 Trial All Pikwell Park, Bolney, Sussex
+ night trial, trade stands, auto jumble, camping
Trial All Sallicombe Farm, Sidmouth
+ team recovery
May 12 Trial All Manby, Nr Louth, Lincs
Trial All Cwm-Clyd, Lledrod, Wales
Trial RTV,Mod Stanton House, Morpeth, Northumberland.
May 19 Trial RTV,Int Broxhead Common, Bordon, Hampshire
Trial All Ratley Gun Club, Banbury.
Then things get a little vague....
May 26 Safari Warden Law, Sunderland
May 27 Trial Warden Law, Sunderland
Jun 2 Trial Weavers Down, Bordon, Hampshire
Trial Wales
Jun 9 Trial Bristol area
Jun 15/6 Trial,Safari Herefod 4x4 show (see below)
Jun 23 Trial Western area
Trial North east area
Don't forget the AWDC hotline for details of this weekend's events
0252 620990
Also worth a mention is the Sandocross at Weston-super-Mare April 28th.
Then there is the Hereford 4x4 off road show, 15th & 16th June at Hope
under Dinmore on the Leominster to Hereford road.
* AWDC Comp safari
* AWDC trial
* Trade Stands
* Static displays
* Arena displays
* Refreshments
* Satuday night entertainment
Entrance fee �2 each, on site camping �5 for the weekend.
Call Steve Monkley for more details 0531 84302, 0586 84372.
All proceeds to the Parkinsons Disease Society.
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1337.24 | | CRATE::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Tue Apr 23 1991 19:24 | 65 |
| 'Official' statements on use of 'green lanes' copied from the AWDC Yearbook.
RIGHTS OF WAY POLICY STATEMENT
1. To preserve and protect AWDC members (and by so doing the general
public's) rights to use and enjoy those highways that are 'Roads
Used As Public Paths' (RUPP), 'Byways Open To all Traffic' (BOAT),
and unclassified county roads as defined by the appropriate statutes.
2. To promote the responsible use of those highways which provide
valuable access to the countryside and to discourage activities
harmful to the environment and wildlife.
3. To oppose the closure or downgrading of any of the above highways
that the Club considers worthwhile as public rights of way.
4. Maintain records of use, condition and history of RUPPS and BOATs
and county roads.
5. To make representations to the relevant highway authorities to have
any obstructions removed.
6. To remove all obstructions, where this is practical, with the prior
agreement of the highway authority and any other interested parties.
7. to liaise with other interested organisations or clubs and co-ordinate
actions by members of these bodies in pursuance of the above aims.
TO ACHIEVE THIS POLICY
1. It is up to all individual members to check the status of rights of
way at the County Halls, or with local RoW representatives, if you
have one. Not all RUPP's have vehicular rights.
2. Use Rights of Way in small groups, no more than four of five vehicles.
Act responsibly - remember - you area all ambassadors of the AWDC.
3. Drive at a speed appropriate to the conditions and visibilty.
Do not exceeed 25 mph.
4. All vehicles must be taxed, insured and MOT'd. Tyres must be road
legal. Green lanes are public roads.
5. Close all gates. Some have a right to be there, others don't.
Report locked gates.
6. Stop for walkers and horse riders. Switch off engines while horses pass.
7. If you remove low branches etc., leave them on the side of the track,
don't throw them over a hedge. They are the property of the landowner.
8. Be polite to people you meet. Don't antagonise landowners,
and other users.
9. The use of winches should be very carefully considered. If it is
necessary use a ground anchor if possible. Ensure that whatever
anchor point is used is strong enough to take on the task. Do not
use small trees or farm fences. If you have to use a large tree
ensure a wrapped strap is used and not a rope, chain or wire.
Your priority should be to avoid damage to trees, walls or the
surface while recovering.
10. Respect the life of the countryside, they are the valuable habitat
of many animals.
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1337.25 | Latest AWDC Fixtures | TRUCKS::SMART | When you're in a hole, stop digging! | Thu May 02 1991 14:04 | 80 |
|
From the lataest edition of All Wheel Driver, the AWDC magazine, these
are the fixtures as notified.
May 5/6 Trial All Pikwell Park, Bolney, Sussex
+ night trial, trade stands, auto jumble, camping
Trial All Sallicombe Farm, Sidmouth
+ team recovery
May 12 Trial All Manby, Nr Louth, Lincs
Trial All Cwm-Clyd, Lledrod, Wales
Trial RTV,Mod Stanton House, Morpeth, Northumberland.
May 19 Trial RTV,Int Broxhead Common, Bordon, Hampshire
Trial All Ratley Gun Club, Banbury.
May 26 Safari Warden Law, Sunderland
May 27 Trial Warden Law, Sunderland
Jun 2 Trial RTV,Mod Weavers Down, Bordon, Hampshire
Beginners
Heavy vehicle trial
Jun 2 Trial All Clearwell Farm, Coleford, Wales
Jun 9 Trial All,Beg West Harptree, Bath
Jun 15/6 Trial,Safari Herefod 4x4 show (see below)
Jun 23 Trial Western area
Trial North east area
Jun 30 Trial South East
Then things get a little vague....
Jul 7 Safari Pickwell Park, West Sussex.
Jul 14 Mini Saf Wales
Mini Saf North East
Jul 21 Trial West
Jul 28 Trial Devon
Trial Midlands
Aug 4 Safari Minehead
Aug 11 Trial Wales
Trial Devon
Mini Saf North East
Aug 14 Open Day Long Valley, Aldershot
Aug 24-26 Trial,Safari Somewhere but NOT Sidbury Hill.
Sep 1 Trial North East
Trial Midlands
Sep 8 Trial Devon
Sep 15 Safar Peters Pit, Maidstone.
Sep 22 Trial Wales
Trial North East
Sep 28/9 Trial Bovington - joint meeting with Military
Vehicle Preservation Trust
Oct 6 Trial Devon
Oct 12/3 Safari Long Valley, Aldershot
Oct 20 Trial Broxhead Common, Bordon, Hampshire
Trial North East
Don't forget the AWDC hotline for details of this weekend's events
0252 620990
Then there is the Hereford 4x4 off road show, 15th & 16th June at
Hampton Park, Hope under Dinmore on the Leominster to Hereford road.
* AWDC Comp safari
* AWDC trial
* Trade Stands
* Static displays
* Arena displays
* Refreshments
* Satuday night entertainment
Entrance fee �2 each, on site camping �5 for the weekend.
Call Steve Monkley for more details 0531 84302, 0586 84372.
All proceeds to the Parkinsons Disease Society.
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1337.26 | AWDC 'trials' | CRATE::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Mon May 20 1991 13:51 | 40 |
| Since I have now completed my first All-Wheel-Drive-Club trial, I thought I'd
enter information on what it involved and how I got on.
First, a general description of 'what' an AWDC trial is.
The trial is a competitive event based on 'arduous' terrain, consisting
of a number (eight or more) of individual sections to be attempted.
Each section is a route marked out with pairs of canes. The object being
to get to the end of the route without stopping, going backwards, or touching
any of the canes. Also, you are not allowed to drive [the whole vehicle]
outside of the course, defined as being direct lines between subsequent canes,
although extra canes can be used to indicate where this is permitted/required.
From the start of the section, the pairs of canes are numbered in decreasing
order from 10 down to 1. If you get through the whole section, you get a zero
penalty. If you stop, go out-of-bounds, or touch a cane, then you are given
a penalty according to the last numbered pair of canes you had passed. If you
get the hub of either front wheel through a line between a pair of canes, then
you are deemed to have 'passed' that pair of canes.
If you do not attempt any of the sections, you are awarded the maximum penalty
of 10 points for that section. There are different classes within the event,
your entry being determined according to your wheelbase and whether you are
using a 'Road-Taxed-Vehicle' (RTV) or a 'modified'. If you are in a vehicle
with a wheelbase of 100" or more (ie a Range Rover), then you are entitled to
take a 'shunt' when on a section. This means that you can do a 'three point
turn' to negotiate particularly tight turns, although you have to agree this
with the marshal(s) before starting the section.
The route of each section consists of tight bends, humps, ditches, slopes, drops
and mud-holes strung together in an order thought up by some sadist who *knows*
how to drive their off-road vehicle, thus causing problems for those who don't.
As a result, most people will not manage to clear all sections. If they could,
it would all be far too easy. ;-)
There are other rules and different types of event, but the above is enough
to describe what I was letting myself in for when I entered this weekend.
J.R.
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1337.27 | AWDC trial preparation requirements | CRATE::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Mon May 20 1991 13:51 | 44 |
| Before trying to describe what the event was like, I'll first describe my
vehicle and the preparation needed to enter.
I have a Jeep CJ7, which has a 4.2 litre, in-line 6-cylinder engine and an
automatic gearbox. This particular model has 'permanent' four-wheel-drive,
as opposed to 'part-time' 4-w-d. The tyres fitted to it are quite a bit
larger than standard and stand at 33" tall (overall diameter) and of 12" width.
For entry in the 'RTV' trials class, a tow rope must be provided and the vehicle
needs to be fitted with towing points front and rear. It is preferred that
these are not simply standard tow-balls, as the rope may slip off these.
An alternative is to mount a 'normal' tow-ball on top of the bumper, so that
it points towards the vehicle, or to use a rope shackle mounted through some
convenient point on the frame of the vehicle. Whatever is used, the method
of mounting MUST be secure, as if it breaks when in use it can be extremely
hazardous to your health if you are attacked by a flying tow-ball !
The throttle must be fitted with an additional return spring, in case of any
breakage in the linkage. Other than that, the vehicle must basically be of
an MoT standard.
Requirements in other classes consists of things such as roll-cage, fire
extinguisher, harnesses and so on. These are not needed for the class that
I was entering. In the 'higher' classes, it is recommended that the
battery earth cable is marked yellow, to allow easy identification if it
needs to be cut or disconnected. Since it is an easy job to do, wrapping
yellow tape around the correct battery lead seemed worth doing.
Besides the official requirements, normal off-road preparation is needed to
help avoid getting into trouble from performing the silly antics on the day.
The main priority here is in waterproofing the electrical components under
the bonnet, and also in keeping water/mud out of the air intake. Failure
to make sure of the latter could easily result in an expensive repair bill.
Also, it is often advantageous to lower the air pressure in the tyres so that
more tread area is in contact with the ground, and so the tyre is more able
to deform, matching the terrain it is going over.
As the vehicle is fitted with a central diff (not usually present on a
part-time 4wd vehicle), this needs to be 'locked' when off-road.
If this is not done, a supposed four-wheel-drive vehicle can be
immmobilised simply by lifting one wheel clear of the ground (unless
some form of slip-limiting device is fitted to any of the diff's). Of course,
just locking the central diff only increases this to 'two-wheel-drive'...
J.R.
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1337.28 | Event Report - My First Trial | CRATE::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Mon May 20 1991 15:02 | 185 |
| The event (RTV trial) I entered was at Broxhead Common, near Bordon, Hants.
This is only a 20-minute drive from home, so I wasn't venturing
too far afield, in case I broke something ! Before starting, I
fixed a rubber floor-mat in front of the radiator grille (to keep
water from the engine bay, where the machanical fan would throw it
everywhere - need to change for an electric fan with a kill switch).
I also disconnected the air intake 'snorkel' and positioned that in
an area of the engine bay which would hopefully stay dry.
Section 1
Started by wading out through 12-24" of mud/water, before going
through some 'twisty bits' between trees. This involved a sequence
of 180-degree bends with the route going over humps/dips between
them. I managed to get through to the final pair of canes before
getting it wrong, not turning soon enough to get through, although
I got a front wheel between the canes, resulting in a penaly of 1.
Section 2
This one began by entering a mud hole which was quite simple, but
had a few ruts which were best avoided. It then went along an
easy bit of track before going over one hump and then coming to
a drop into a dip. The edge of this dip was the remains of a wall
and threatened to catch on some part of the vehicle underside.
I got over this ok and kept the correct line for the next part,
although when I later went over the same ledge, it caught the
rear bumper and changed my direction by almost 45 degrees !
Next bit got tricky with a drop into some ruts, followed by a turn
back into a steep bank. The Jeep ground out its belly when cresting
this rise, but powered on through it, to another immediate turn down
into some thick mud. The route then turned again to reach the
final pair of canes. I couldn't manage this turn from where I
had ended up, but again got the front wheel through for another 1.
Section 3
Had trouble finding this one, then parked at the end of a long queue
of vehicles waiting to attempt this section. When watching others
on this, it was clear that it contained a very sharp turn with trees
restricting the approach and the actual corner. In fact, many of the
Suzuki's could not get through. Those that did were then confronted
by a *serious* mud hole which trapped every vehicle that I saw try it.
There was a Dodge 4x4 on hand to pull these competitors out of the
mud and since the next vehicle could not start until the course was
clear, the queue went down very slowly. In the end, the section was
stopped and everyone waiting had to move on to the next section.
It turns out the reason for the stoppage was that the marshal with
the Dodge had almost run out of petrol and had to go and fill up !
Section 4
This started with an immediate 45-degree climb up a slope, which
had to be taken at a bit of an angle to keep on line for the next
pair of canes. When I did it, the Jeep ground out on the way over
and came out of it pointing in a direction I did not intend. Due
to the short distance between where I was and the next set of canes,
I could not get the Jeep to turn enough and failed to get there.
This resulted in a poor 9-point penalty.
Section 5
The route on this one went diagonally across a hump and then turned
past a tree towards a series of ruts taken at an angle ('axle-twisters'
which require good axle articulation). On this one I got the steering
wrong when crossing the hump and passing the tree. It resulted in me
having no chance of getting to the next set of canes, so I got an 8.
Section 6
The start of this one was from atop a 'hump', requiring a steep descent
into a sharp left turn. This was followed by a series of ruts which
had to be taken at an angle ('axle-twisters', requiring good axle
articulation). Unfortunately, I got another 9-point penalty by
failing to get the right approach to the tight turn. This was a place
where Range Rovers all made use of their permitted 'shunt'.
Section 7
This one also began with a short drop into a left turn. I was concerned
that I would not get around this initial bend either, but managed that,
into a climb up a bank and a 180-degree turn before coming down the bank
and yet another 180. This then led into a bumpy section which went
over a row of gullies - across, not down, the incline. The Jeep went
over the first crest easliy enough, but when it came down into the
gully, it bottomed out quite hard. Hard enough to result in my seat
back breaking ! I was still going, so I hung onto the wheel and hit
the power to get over the next, steeper, crest. The front went up
into the air rather than going down the other side, but when the back
wheels hit the hump at the top, this pivoted the vehicle around,
in the air, so that I came down the other side. When landing this
time, the door sprung open ! Only one pair of canes to go, I was
still travelling in the right direction and aimed through the canes,
sitting upright, with an inoperative seat back and a wide open door.
I actually got through those canes and got a zero penalty.
My first clear section, though definitely not uneventful !
The seat back was fixed up well enough to continue, so off I went.
Section 8
This section had another long queue, again because it involved most
vehicles being recovered from a mud-hole at the end of the section.
This mud hole was actually a huge great 'puddle', about 40 foot in
diameter and with no easy route through it. There was a very large
crowd watching the goings-on as different vehicles all tried to get
through. There were a lot of 'heroic failures' here, involving
Land Rovers, Range Rovers, Suzuki and Daihatsu 'jeeps'. In the hour
or more that I was waiting, I only saw three get through. One of these
was a Daihatsu and another was an old (Series II) Land Rover. These
both struggled extremely hard to get out the far side. The other
vehicle was a Range Rover, which took a different (less used, but
deeper) line through the middle and powered its way through.
Anyway, I eventually moved my vehicle near to the front of the queue
and could not spectate at the mud hole any more. Sitting there,
waiting to start this section really got the nerves going. The mud
hole at the end of the section was *very* intimidating. I had decided
that even if I failed earlier in the section, I would 'have a go' at
the mud hole anyway. I also chose to put on the soft-top for this
section. The vehicle ahead of me was a Suzuki Vitara, on road tyres.
This had done quite well so far, but it was clear it had no chance of
getting through the mud. I expected that the driver would have ended
the section on the preceding set of canes, but whilst waiting for my
start the marshal relayed the message "Vitara's Don't Float !"
The driver had gone for it anyway, at least by doing this he gained
one less penalty point as their was a set of canes on the entrance to
the mud hole, as well as the final pair at the other end.
At long last, I started this one. The course here went along a side
slope, which gives a very 'uncomfortable' feeling as you lean over,
even though it was nowhere near the limits of the vehicle. It went
through a few axle twisters and a couple of drops/climbs before passing
through a small, rutted mud-hole which had to be negotiated in the
middle of a 90-degree turn. Then it was a case of getting through a
couple of fairly tight turns between trees before the mud hole.
I got through all of these bends without mishap, although I had expected
to get into trouble along the way. Come out of the trees, swing it left
and power on into the mud. Got a horrible feeling as the vehicle sunk
into the slush, still travelling forward, still keeping on the power.
Then the tyres started to work, getting some grip and the bottom of
all the 'goo' and forward momentum picked up. The Jeep then seemed
to sail on and out the other side, up the slippery slope and through
the final pair of canes. A round of applause from the crowd for
actually getting through, and another zero penalty.
Section 9
This looked to be fairly difficult in the Jeep, as it involved a
sequence of tight, 180-degree turns, interspersed with 'ditches'.
Taking it easy and getting the steering well over got me through
the first few bends/dips well enough. Then, going through one
ditch/gully, the front bumper ground out and put me off-line by
a small amount. This meant that the next sharp bend was very
tight, but with full lock I got round, with the front bumper only
just missing the off-side cane. Then it went through a couple of
fairly sticky muddy sections, which could not be attempted in a
straight line. Nearly got these wrong as the tyres loaded up with
mud and did not grip. A burst of wheelspin cleared the tyres and
the grip returned. A few more dips to cross and a tight 90 right
through the final set of canes - another zero ! Things were looking up.
Section 10
This, the final section, started with a few turns round some trees,
with a drop into a hole, where the vehicle then had to turn sharp left
to some out of the hole through the canes. By not getting the approach
to the hole wide enough, once I drove into it, there was not enough
room to turn the Jeep without meeting the other side of the hole.
I tried to drive it round, with the bumper against the 'dirt wall'
in front, but it just didn't work. That resulted in another 8.
As I did not attempt Section 3, I was awarded a maximum 10 points
for that one (it was not being run when I finished Section 10), but
I know I could not have got better than an 8 there anyway, so it
made little difference.
As you can gather, I enjoyed this immensely, as did my 'other half', who was a
passenger/navigator throughout. I look forward to the next event. For the
overall results of this one, I will have to wait until the monthly magazine
is sent out, but I know I didn't win ! I must also point out that we found
the people there were very friendly and helpful throughout. A good day out.
J.R.
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1337.29 | Well done | VOGON::MITCHELLE | Beware of the green meanie | Mon May 20 1991 16:44 | 14 |
|
Glad to hear you enjoyed it, and havn't done too much damage! I've been
co-driver/passenger for my brother - and had a fantastic time, I
ended up covered in mud!
I'm hoping to go down to Plymouth (?) for the LandRover 'Nationals'
next weekend, where David will be competing, hopefully - his wheel,
(not just the wheel, but the swivel housing, and suspension)
'fell off' and took the wing with it during his last competition
safari, so he had quite a lot to repair! I don't fancy argueing with
all the bank holiday traffic, so if the weather is not good enough to
go by Motorbike, I think we'll stay at home!
Elaine
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1337.30 | Dirty Weekend? | TRUCKS::SMART | When you're in a hole, stop digging! | Mon May 20 1991 18:08 | 8 |
| John,
Congrats! Now that you have got it *seriously* dirty can we expect to
see you at some more RTVs?
You never know, we may even get the 90 dirty again 8-).
Alan
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1337.31 | The difference between "Ooooh" and "Aaaaah" ! ;-) | CRATE::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Mon May 20 1991 19:14 | 31 |
| � Congrats! Now that you have got it *seriously* dirty can we expect to
� see you at some more RTVs?
You certainly will !
Unless something else crops up, I hope to attend at Weaver's Down
on 2nd June, in the RTV class again.
Since my main problem (besides lack of experience) was not enough
steering lock, I will investigate the possibilities of getting some
slightly narrower tyres, but still of a similar height.
The height translates into additional ground clearance, which is
a definite bonus. The extra width (compared to the tyres fitted
on most of the Land Rover's) helps to avoid getting stuck in some
of the ruts, as the tyre doesn't always drop into the 'groove'.
Trouble being, it is the width of the tyres that is restricting
the steering lock. If I get narrower tyres, I can adjust the
lock stops and get a tighter turning circle (though probably not
enough to make a great deal of difference).
Changing to wheels with a wider offset would help, but that could lead
to wheel bearing problems - which is not good news on Jeep axles.
The other alternative is to increase the wheelbase to 100", then I can
have a 'shunt' on the sections. ;-) A marshal on one of the sections said
that if I wanted, I could have asked for a shunt anyway. When I pointed
out that my wheelbase was only 94", his comment was "What's in 6 inches ?"
J.R.
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1337.33 | If only | CRATE::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Tue May 21 1991 12:20 | 24 |
| �to reduce turning circle you reduce the wheel base.
Yeah, I know that. At least if I get to 100", with even worse steering
lock, I will be able to get the 'shunt' to enable me to make the bends.
�In any case lengthening degrades the break over angle.
That's what the transmission guard is for !
Or a suspension lift
Or taller tyres ;-)
It's all 'swings and roundabouts', or should that be 'ups and downs' ?
Seriously though, I wouldn't consider lengthening the vehicle.
But, if I could get a CJ5 instead - that's shorter but otherwise
has similar components throughout. And it can be had with a V8.
Now that would be really good, anyone got one ?
J.R.
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1337.34 | it's always down to the tyres | TRUCKS::SMART | When you're in a hole, stop digging! | Tue May 21 1991 13:45 | 21 |
| WRT tyres, they fall into two categories.
Most 'off road' tyre are the floatation type, that is they are designed
to 'float' on mud and the tread paddles its way through.
The other type bit through the clag and grips on what ever is solid
beneath. The Michelin XCL is the best example of this and is used
extensively by the Bristish Army. They are tall and skinny (and
radial) and *very* expensive, circa �115 a corner for 205R15 on the
L-R!
They are extremely effective. There is a 90 V8 hard top that is
regularly seen at AWDC trial (forget the driver's name) with XCLs and
he does very well when the going is 'soft'.
The downside is that the more 'off road' the tyres are the less'on
road' they are. If you have a spare set of rims (and a friendly bank
manager)you could have a trials set and an everyday set. My last L-R
was on Goodyear Xtra grips (7.50x16 crossplys) which are still used by
the Army for series 3 L-Rs. Good off road performance but hopeless on
wet tarmac. They are now getting rare and expensive.
|
1337.35 | Some more events to try/attend | TRUCKS::SMART | When you're in a hole, stop digging! | Tue May 21 1991 14:02 | 72 |
|
From the latest AWDC newsletter, these are the fixtures as notified.
May 26 Safari Thorns Cross, Ashburton, Devon
May 27 Trial All Thorns Cross, Ashburton, Devon
Jun 2 Trial RTV,Mod Weavers Down, Bordon, Hampshire
Beginners
Heavy vehicle trial
Jun 2 Trial All Clearwell Farm, Coleford, Wales
Jun 9 Trial All,Beg West Harptree, Bath
Jun 15/6 Trial,Safari Herefod 4x4 show (see below)
Jun 23 Trial All Nethercott Farm, Bampton, Devon
Trial Stanhope, Co Durham
Jun 30 Trial RTV Chartrin House, East Grinstead
Jul 6 Trial All Cwm Coch, Carmarthen, Wales
Jul 7 Mini Saf Cwm Coch, Carmarthen, Wales
Jul 7 Trial Mod Yetnor Farm, Maidstone, Kent
Jul 14 Safari west Harptree, Bath
Jul 21 Trial West
Jul 28 Trial Devon
Trial Pixhill Farm, West Midlands
Then things get a little vague....
Aug 4 Safari Minehead
Aug 11 Trial Wales
Trial west Harptree, Bath
Trial Devon
Mini Saf Great Ayton, Cleveland
Aug 14 Open Day Long Valley, Aldershot
Aug 24-26 Trial,Safari Somewhere but NOT Sidbury Hill.
Sep 1 Trial North East
Trial Midlands
Sep 8 Trial Devon
Sep 15 Safar Peters Pit, Maidstone.
Sep 22 Trial Wales
Trial North East
Sep 28/9 Trial Bovington - joint meeting with Military
Vehicle Preservation Trust
Oct 6 Trial Devon
Oct 12/3 Safari Long Valley, Aldershot
Oct 20 Trial Broxhead Common, Bordon, Hampshire
Trial North East
Don't forget the AWDC hotline for details of this weekend's events
0252 620990
Then there is the Hereford 4x4 off road show, 15th & 16th June at
Hampton Park, Hope under Dinmore on the Leominster to Hereford road.
* AWDC Comp safari
* AWDC trial
* Trade Stands
* Static displays
* Arena displays
* Refreshments
* Satuday night entertainment
Entrance fee �2 each, on site camping �5 for the weekend.
Call Steve Monkley for more details 0531 84302, 0586 84372.
All proceeds to the Parkinsons Disease Society.
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1337.37 | The Jeep is a soft-top, with removable doors... | CRATE::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Wed May 22 1991 19:07 | 12 |
| � Why not a shortened Range Rover instead of the Jeep?
I like to be 'different'. ;-)
Although I have considered this as an option. At least that way I
would have easy access to spares and plenty of help/advice.
Running a shortened R.R. on the road would still qualify as
'being different' - it's just that there are quite a few variations
on this theme at most AWDC events.
J.R.
|
1337.38 | Motorsport can be dangerous (to your vehicles health) | CHEST::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Mon Jun 03 1991 19:13 | 228 |
| This weekend, I entered my second RTV trial, at Weavers Down, near Liphook.
Again, not too far from home (30 mins) in case of problems. The actual site
is very sandy and includes a lot of hills, although there is not much water
present, especially after recent dry weather. (It can get VERY muddy here in
the winter, but that wasn't to be the problem this weekend)
A report of the day's proceedings, from my point of view, follows.
Section 1
Watching this section with the Jeep in the queue, it was apparent
that today was not going to be easy. The start involved driving
about 20 feet up a slight incline, in a gully. Then the course
required a sharp right turn into a steep hill. The bottom of the
hill had a fair 'step' to climb up before getting onto the main
part of the slope - which looked like a 1-in-1 gradient (although
I am sure it was less than that).
At the top of this (BIG hill) was an 180-degree turn, before coming
back down the hill again on a different, still steep, slope. At the
bottom, it was required to do yet another 180 turn, this time over a
couple of ruts, before going up the hill for a final time, on an even
more tricky slope.
All of this was extremely soft, sandy going which caused problems
for most of the vehicles, which are generally fitted with narrow
design tyres intended for digging through mud.
When my turn eventually came around, I started up the initial slope
quite gently and turned towards the hill. On this turn, the front
washed out a bit more than expected in the loose sand, so putting me
on a less-than-ideal position for going up the hill. Power on, the
front wheels went up the step, then the back wheels reached it, but
they didn't manage to get enough grip. Also, the centre of the Jeep
managed to ground out at about the same time, which resulted in no
more forward movement. All I got was a lot of wheelspin from both
ends and a bit of a slip to the side of the track. The only option
then was to reverse back off the slope (I was only just on it anyway)
and get my timecard marked up with 9 penalty points. A poor start.
Section 2
After eventually finding where this section was being held (a common
problem on the day, due to the large area over which sections were
laid out) I joined the queue and walked round/spectated.
First sight was to see a long-wheelbase Mercedes G-Wagen completely
high-centred when trying to go over a hump between two ditches.
Looking at the rest of the course, which included a lot of steep
drops followed immediately by steep climbs, it was surprising that
the vehicle had got even this far. The G-Wagen was eventually towed,
winched and driven off of the hump and the section continued.
Most people were getting stuck on the first bend, which was an
axle-twister, a 90-degree bend and a short, sharp rise all in one !
Sure enough, when it came to my turn, I too got stuck on this bend,
with a front and a rear wheel each spinning in mid-air (since the
Jeep is only really a 'two-wheel-drive' vehicle unless fitted with
cross-axle diff locks at each end - the great lie about 4-w-d !).
This resulted in another large penalty, no improvement yet.
Section 3
This section was laid out right next to the preceding one, though
since it had not yet been started, I drove all around the site
looking for it. I didn't want to start the section until I had
seen other vehicles attempt it, so it didn't matter that I ended
up further back in the queue.
It seems that this section was set up by the same sadistic person
who had done section 2. It consisted of yet more steep up/down
slopes. Although these were only a few feet in height, their
layout meant that most vehicles would be testing their approach,
departure and 'ramp breakover' angles to the full.
The start was next to a tree, with a short drop into a hole,
immediately followed by a left turn into a climb up a sandy bank,
where a pair of canes were positioned next to another tree.
On the face of the slope were a few tree roots. Watching others
attempt this was providing a great deal of entertainment for a lot
of people (and some trepidation for other, later competitors).
Almost all of the vehicles had the same problem, in that as soon as
the front wheels started up the slope, which was approached whilst
still turning out of the 'hole', they simply slid straight across to
the right. This was caused by a lack of grip on the sand to begin
with, followed by even more severe grip loss when meeting the roots
of the tree. Since the second pair of canes were atop this slope,
most people did not even get a front wheel past this point, so ended
up with a 10-point penalty.
Once the vehicle had failed to get up the slope, it usually ended up
in such a position that it could not easily get back out of the hole.
This was due to the sideways movement experienced when trying to get
up the offending slope. Of course, the rest of this hole was also
surrounded by trees, so there were only two possible exits. The
first was the entry point, which the vehicle no longer had a direct
route to it. The second was up and over the problem slope. It turns
out that this slope was still a problem when approached head-on, as
there was almost no grip available, and no room for a run up to it.
Watching people trying to extricate themselves from this hole was
good fun, but at their expense. One Land Rover driver managed to
roll back into one of the trees and smash his rear light cluster in
the process. Another was towed back up the entry slope, but was
dragged along the tree at the time. This managed to cause some
damage to the truck cab of his, admittedly old, Landy.
A few vehicles ahead of me in this queue was another G-Wagen, this
time a short wheelbase model, in almost pristine condition. When it
came to his turn, he dropped slowly into the hole before turning into
the exit slope and going up and over it. I was watching from a short
distance (waiting in my Jeep), but it turns out that the front end of
his vehicle managed to slip far enough to touch the cane on this brow,
so he was awarded a penalty at that point. He continued anyway, but
did not make too much effort in avoiding other canes on the way.
When he got off the section, he had a look at the roof of his Merc.
to find a nice long gouge in the panelwork ! This was caused by the
stump of a branch on the tree at the start line, which he had slid
along when starting the section. Certainly was a shame, but great to
see that some of the owners of these vehicles are prepared to take a
but of a risk and use them in these sort of events.
It got to the stage that there was one vehicle ahead of me, which was
a Land Rover of some sort. Up until then, the only vehicle that I
had seen get over the initial hump (and the second one which followed
immediately after) was another Jeep, this one fitted with a 5.0 litre
V8 of some sort. The Land Rover went into the hole, and came out of
it in the correct direction. I cannot remember now whether he got
through in one go, or if he was simply continuing after a failure.
Whatever, he continued along the course, to where it involved driving
along the side of a bank. I could just see his vehicle from where I
was waiting at the start line, just enough to watch it topple over
onto it's side ! As far as I could tell, there were no injuries
in this (low speed) incident. The vehicle was righted and moved
off of the section soon enough with the help of a couple of tow ropes
and other vehicles helping, then it was my turn.
I certainly did not feel too confident at this point, but dropped in
to the hole, turned out powered into the slope. To my amazement, the
front went up and over, without hitting either of the canes at the top.
The back followed quite easily, as the front went down into the 'ditch'
on the other side, only to be met with another upwards slope, just
after the back had started descending the first hump. Again, plenty
of power was used to try and get up this next slope, but it just didn't
work. I ended up with lots of wheelspin and couldn't make it up the
slope. I then had to do a six- or eight-point turn in the midst of a
'valley' which was not as wide as the Jeep was long ! Doing this led
to a few odd-feeling moments, as I had the vehicle pointing both up
and down the opposing slopes at some fairly steep angles. When I
had completed about half of this turn, it had the same sort of effect
as a severe axle-twister, with the Jeep rocking across a diagonal line
from one front wheel to the opposite rear wheel. Very strange !
Anyway, I came out of this section with no damage and slightly lower
penalty points than most others. Some improvement, but not much.
Of interest to a lot of the crowd was the 'Heavy Vehicle' Trial
going on at the same time near to this section. This involved the
likes of Scammel trucks climbing steep slopes. These seemed to have
much the same sort of problems as the 'normal' vehicles in the trials,
except that everything was scaled up to suit.
Section 4
After a break for lunch, I proceeded to where this section was to be
held. Near to this section (which the Marshal had yet to find), was
a large body of water, probably best described as a pond. There were
a few people 'having fun' in and around the water. Most memorable and
entertaining of these was a Lada Niva that had just previously driven
through near to the centre of the pond. After this water crossing,
the driver had to let the water out of his vehicle. It turns out that
the water INSIDE the vehicle had gone over the seat cushions !
In an attempt to get the remaining water out, it was parked on a steep
side slope with the door open, allowing water to come out over the
door sills. The engine was still running ok, although having an air
intake 'snorkel' fitted to the A-pillar must have helped here.
Another one to watch was an old Land Rover which went into the water
and got stuck with the water over the tops of its tyres. This was
soon towed out by another Land Rover with no problems.
Having waited a while with no sign of any Marshals, a few of us
drove back to the preceding section to get someone to attend.
On the way back to this section, I started to experience some
problems with my steering. Basically, it didn't want to turn !
Instead of joining the queue for this section, I drove around a bit
to work out what seemed to be the problem. Doing this, it just got
worse, until I could hardly turn right, nor could I straighten up
the steering once I had got it to turn. I thought the problem was
at the top of the steering column at first, but looking under the
front of the vehicle showed that the steering box was knackered !
The back of the shaft which comes out of the steering box was able
to move to and fro over an inch. It is this part that is directly
connected to the steering column. I could not find any way of
avoiding this unwanted movement, so I had to retire from the event.
I handed in my time card anyway, to ensure that I do appear on the
results sheet as having competed (even though unsuccessfully).
I watched a few vehicles on this next section, which was based on
a large mound (a bit over 20 foot high, perhaps). The start went
straight into a climb up the bank, whereupon the route went along
the top, down, around and back up the bank again. All of this was
on loose sand, which was causing lots of problems with lack of grip
for many of the competing vehicles.
Just before I went to leave, I heard a sickening crunch and looked
back at the start line to see a Land Rover that had failed to get
up the initial slope. When it came back down the slope, it met up
with the front of a Range Rover which was waiting to start the
section next ! The RR sustained a bent and broken front grille,
but luckily did not get any damage to its lights. I didn't get to
see what happened to the LR, but it seems that it got some broken
rear lamps out of this collision.
Getting home in the Heep was no easy drive, but as the steering
did still work (albeit with lots of effort required to turn) I
though it better than arranging for recovery service to come and
pick me up. Suffice to say, I drove very slowly. Also, there were
only a few turns of any note on the route home again, most of it
was all straight-ahead and there was very little traffic around
at the time. Now to get a replacement steering box and fit that.
Then I'll be ready to try it all over again...
J.R.
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1337.39 | better luck next time! | VOGON::MITCHELLE | Beware of the green meanie | Tue Jun 04 1991 11:07 | 8 |
|
Sorry to hear of the damage to your Jeep - hope it doesn't take too
long to fix. My brother phoned me this weekend - to give his report on
the Land Rover National Trials held near PLymouth over the bank holiday
weekend. He was lucky as far as damage was concerend - he only had to
change one set of rear leaf springs. He did very well in the comp.
safari - he is the National Champion in his class! I've just got to
make sure I get a copy of LRO which covers the Nationals!
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1337.40 | Even Scammells break! | TRUCKS::SMART | When you're in a hole, stop digging! | Tue Jun 04 1991 14:01 | 20 |
| Unfortunately due to the doggy's ill health over the weekend we did not
get to the Weavers Down Trial. Very sad as it was at Weavers that I
first made my acquaintance with the AWDC more years ago than I care to
remember!
Some friends did go and rang me Sunday night to tell me of an incident
in the heavy trial. Chris Acock entered his Scammell Explorer 6x6.
This is an unusual vehicle as the original Meadows 10� litre petrol
engine has been replaced with a Rolls Royce diesel. Apart from the
massive increase in torque he reports that the road fuel consumption
has been halved - from 2 mpg to 4mpg!!!
Part of one section required the drives to traverse a down slope. This
is always a tricky manoeuvre and normally one you would avoid but,
unusual for Chris, he got it wrong and the Scammell fell over! It was
recovered with some damage to the cab but Chris and his passenger were
OK.
Let's hope it's back in action for Bovvy at the end of September.
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1337.41 | It's working again (but for how long ?) | CHEST::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Wed Jun 05 1991 12:23 | 54 |
| � Sorry to hear of the damage to your Jeep - hope it doesn't take too
� long to fix.
Well, having chatted to the owner of the other Jeep around on the day,
it turns out that he has a spare (old) steering box at home. I picked
this up from his home Monday night, free of charge. It had a fair
bit of free play (that's why he took it off) but was not broken.
As I ended up taking Tuesday off work, I spent the afternoon and the
evening fixing the Heep. I had to buy a socket to fit the HUGE nut
on the end of the steering shaft, plus an adapter as this was 3/4"
drive (total �15). Trying to remove the Pitman arm, I bent my gear
puller (two-leg design) so I had to go and buy another, this time with
three legs (�20).
When I got my steering box apart, I was horrified ! The wormshaft,
which is basically an extension of the steering column was supposed
to have a set of ball-bearings at each end of it, within the box.
The top bearing on mine had disintegrated. This had obviously happened
over a period of time - I thought all Jeeps had free play in the steering !
The bearings, which are (were) about 4mm in diameter, had ended up
inside the box, getting in the way of the actual gears. When I got the
shafts out of the gear casing, I counted out 12 whole bearings, some of
which had 'flat spots' on them. I also found a number of 'half bearings'
where they had been physical smashed into two (or more) pieces. The
actual bearing cage was supposed to hold 10 ball bearings...
Rather than simply bolt in the other old steering box, I though it wise
to dismantle this and set it up again, especially since it had been left
out in the weather for some time. It turns out that there were two
broken bolts in the casing from when it had been removed from t'other
Jeep. Not to worry, I then planned to swap the internals into my
casing. As expected, there were lots of problems in simply dismantling
both units down to their component parts, but I eventually managed it.
I then did a mix-and-match process to use the least-worn parts from
the two sets of bits and ended up with one usable steering box.
I eventually got this mounted in its rightful place on the Heep,
but not without more problems. Now, I have a road-going (or off-road)
vehicle again, but this is only a temporary solution. Re-using old
bearings, with imperfect ball-races and with old gears which were
not matched (different wear patterns likely) means that it cannot last.
I will have to purchase a new steering box (> �200) and replace that,
but I have got a reasonable 'fix' for about �35 in the mean time.
Anyhow, (almost) back to the topic.
� safari - he is the National Champion in his class!
Good stuff. Hope he continues to do well, with minimal damage.
My next event probably won't be until August (after my hols),
but any other off-roading exploits may well get reported in here.
J.R.
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1337.42 | AWDC Bank Holiday event, near Aldershot | KETJE::SHASTA::RUTTER | In:Bull, Out:Sh?? | Tue Aug 06 1991 11:16 | 30 |
| I don't have the latest event calendar with me, so I cannot enter it
(how 'bout you Alan ?), but luckily for me the trial on Aug. 18th has
been cancelled/postponed. I wasn't sure I could get the Heep fixed
in time (broken rear axle), but I now have an extra couple of weeks.
The next event I hope to attend will be held in (near) Aldershot over
the Bank Holiday weekend. At least if I break something else, I do
not have to go far to get back home again.
This should be a busy weekend, with the following events :-
Saturday - Beginner's Trial and a Gymkhana (?)
Sunday - Safari (high speed event)
Monday - Three different classes of trials (Beginners, RTV, Modified)
My plan (if the Jeep is usable) will be to attend on Saturday, doing
either the Beginner's Trial (supposed to be quite easy and non-damaging)
or the Gymkhana - if I can found out what that involves !
On the Sunday, I may attend as a spectator or a marshal.
On the Monday, I hope to enter the RTV trial (this is the class I have
entered in before, intended to be non-damaging - but the Jeep and the
terrain may disagree on that matter).
Then I can bore you all by regaling more tales of woe from the weekend...
J.R.
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1337.43 | Latest AWDC Events Calender | TRUCKS::SMART | Taste and try before you buy | Wed Aug 07 1991 14:03 | 53 |
| The news is finally out as to what is happening this Summer Bank
Holiday. There will be a three day event at long Valley with a
Beginners trial on the Saturday and Gymkhana (no details to hand).
there will also be a treasure hunt where members can drive their 4x4
around a marked route for �5. On Sunday there is a Safari and Monday
sees "all kinds of trials".
There are camping facilities (last year they were quite good) but
details are not yet published. More about camping fron John Harvey on
081 898 5088.
The open day scheduled for 18th August is cancelled but there is a
trial at Pickwell Park on that day.
From the latest AWDC newsletter, these are the fixtures as notified.
Aug 11 Trial Llwyn-on Farm, Abergavenny
Trial Riphay Barton, Devon
Mini Saf Great Ayton, Cleveland
Aug 18 Trial Piccadilly Farm, Cheltenham
Aug 24 Trial Long Valley, Aldershot.
Aug 25 Safari Long Valley, Aldershot
Aug 26 Trial Long valley, Aldershot
Sep 1 Safari West Calder, Edinburgh
Trial Iron Bridge, Telford
Sep 8 Trial Tavistock Woodlands, Devon
Trial Chartin House, East Grinstead
Sep 15 Safar Peters Pit, Maidstone.
Sep 22 Trial Lydney Park Estate, Chepstow
Trial Gotwick Wood, East Grinstead
Trial North East
Sep 28/9 Trial Bovington - joint meeting with Military
Vehicle Preservation Trust
Oct 6 Trial Devon
Oct 12/3 Safari Long Valley, Aldershot
Oct 20 Trial Broxhead Common, Bordon, Hampshire
Trial North East
Oct 27 Trial Midlands
Nov 3 Trial Peters Pit, Maidstone
Nov 10 TBA
Nov 17 Trial Devon
Nov 24 TBA
Don't forget the AWDC hotline for details of this weekend's events
0252 620990
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1337.44 | a member of the All Wet and Dirty Club ! | CURRNT::PACE::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Fri Jan 03 1992 13:39 | 155 |
| Having got the Heep running, and able to be stopped again, I actually
set off for Bordon, where the Christmas 'Fun Trial' was to be held.
No problems on the way there, found the site ok and drove into the
car park area. Next job is to sign on, pay up and get an entry card
for the day. Amazing, there wasn't much of a queue at control, so
the formalities were dealt with quickly enough.
Two friends that I had planned to meet were waiting for me just by
control, so I went and got the Heep and met them inside the entrance.
These two both had Series II Land Rovers, one petrol, the other diesel.
The format for the day was that there were a number of 'fun' sections
laid out, which could be attempted if you wished. Other than that, the
whole of the site was available for off-roading fun and games.
Since there were three vehicles, with another expected later, we
decided not to do any of the trial sections, since the involve a fair
amount of time waiting in turn. Instead, we went in for some mucking
about, 'follow the leader' style. First job was to air down the tyres
and cover the front grille with a rubber mat (to keep out excess water).
The site is a load of army land, over a very large area. It includes
a fair amount of steep hills (generally 1-in-1 gradient), is sandy in
most places, with areas of woods and some very wet (and muddy) spots.
The last time I was here was when my steering box gave out, part way
through a days trialing. I was hoping for better this time. I had
also warned my mates that I felt like trying some difficult stuff, so
we could expect to get stuck some time during the day...
Having said that, I was still allowed to lead the way.
After a few humps, bumps, climbs, drops and turns I thought it time
to tackle some water. Just for me, there then appeared this very long
and rather wide 'puddle'. About 15 foot wide, 30 foot long, and I
didn't know how deep. There was a track leading into this puddle,
but it obviously hadn't been used so far that day.
So, the mind says "Go For It", so steering follows and off we all go
down to meet this H2O, me still in the lead. No-one behind did anything
to warn me off, so slowly I proceeded into the muck. I was then told
to 'go round the edge, because that's easier', so I did as I was told
and headed around the left hand side.
Bad Move ! When about 10 foot into it (distance, not depth), the
wheels on the left decided to sink and spin. This wasn't mud, this
was just muddy water ! No grip available, forward momentum ceased,
tried reverse, nope definitely no grip here. Tried turning the wheel
from side to side, hoping to grip the side of the hole that the
wheels were buried on, still no joy. Pressed the brakes gently whilst
in drive (this can get both wheels on each axle to turn), no effect.
In fact, the Heep had sunk so much that the floorpan was just below water
level, with the belly of the vehicle sitting on the mud below, and no
real weight on the wheels.
Watching the dirty water come up through the drain holes in the floor
of the Heep, I decided that I was most definitely stuck !
One of the two Landy's with me had also entered the wet area, but was
still able to drive back out of it, so the plan then was for him to tow
me out. First problem with this plan was getting the tow rope onto the
rear tow ball of the Heep, and then on to his Land Rover.
I climbed out of the door onto the bonnet and leaned down to detach the
rope from the front tow ball, then climbed over the roof to the back.
No way I could manage things from there, so I jumped off to the side,
landing in about one foot of mud. Of course, my boots aren't that high...
Anyway, we got the rope connected, I got back in and put it into reverse,
the Land Rover then started to back up, the rope got tight and then,
nothing ! The Landy simply dug its front wheels into the mud and
refused to go back with the Heep in tow. Not really surprising, but
we had to try it anyway. Next idea, join up the other Land Rover
with the next tow rope and all try at once. At least the rearmost
vehicle was on dry, solid footing.
So, all connected up, all in reverse gear, pulling away.
My Heep continued swirling slushy mud around its wheels.
The first Landy, carried on digging a nice hole,
the second Landy just spun its wheels on tghe dry surface.
Oh Dear ! That wasn't working either.
Of course, all this larking about had generated a fair old crowd of
amused on-lookers. There was also a video camera in evidence.
Luckily, we were all finding this fun ourselves. After all, this
is what it's all about, isn't it ? Smiling happily for the cameras,
we wondered what to try next.
The new plan was to get the Land Rovers out of the way and try to
unstick the Heep with one vehicle pulling, using a long rope to gain
traction on the solid ground. So, unhooked the rearmost vehicle, then
tried to unhook the rope between the Heep and the front Landy.
No chance ! The rope was still tight, and with the shape of the tow
balls, it could not be lifted off from either vehicle. To make things
worse, the Landy would not move forward under power either. We then
managed to get some slack in the rope by pushing the Land Rover from
behind with t'other Rover. That got the rope off, but it then turned
out that the Land Rover had also decided that it too was stuck in the mud.
It could not get enough grip in the mud hole to pull itself out and up
the slope, nor could the other Rover pull it out.
So, we had two vehicle stuck, at various depths in the mud. Great fun !
It was at this time that the magic words were heard -
"Do you need a winch ?"
Well, that is about the only way out of this sort of situation, so
we readily accepted this offer. The rearmost Landy quickly got out of
the way to let this benevolent white Land Rover take its place in line.
Now, this beast was really set up for getting things unstuck.
It had electric winches mounted in the bumpers both front and rear.
There were all sorts of shackles, strops, snatch blocks and chocks
in the back of this vehicle. These then went into action, the vehicle
secured and hooked up to the stuck Rover. Winch switched on and
hey, presto ! rearward movement. No problems there.
Next it was my turn to be extricated. Got the winch cable connected,
in the Heep, reverse gear, engine running. Winch power on, and then -
not a great deal. The winch didn't seem too happy at doing this job,
so it was time for a bit more rigging to come out. This time, the
winch cable was connected to a nearby tree, with a single pulley block
being attached to the rear of the Heep. This time, all systems go !
The Heep was sucked slowly out of the hole, then the wheels got some
grip and I was able to drive out the rest of the way, not even getting
caught in the hole made by the Land Rover (my tyres are noticeably
wider than those on the other vehicle, so didn't fall into the ruts).
After thanking of the helpful winch-owning driver, we were all on our
way again. Just as soon as the Heep had been extracted though, we
saw someone in a Land Rover decide that he could get through under
his own steam, in the other direction. At least he did not try to
drive around the edge, he went for the more direct route, even though
that is likely to be deeper, it is expected to have a more firm footing.
We couldn't leave without watching this attempt, could we ?
Neither could the winch-equipped Land Rover, since it soon became
clear that this route was not easily passable, requiring another
pull on the winch cable to get this next vehicle out.
About to leave, someone then pointed out that this particular water hole
had already stopped a 6x6 Scammel, which is no mean feat !
After all this fun, just to start the day off, we then continued on
out merry way into the nearby hills for more silly antics off-road...
J.R. (next instalment to follow, when I have time)
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1337.45 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | Wot's a rathole? | Fri Jan 03 1992 13:51 | 3 |
| John, have you tried therapy? :^)
Laurie.
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1337.46 | How about a therapeutic mud bath ? | CURRNT::PACE::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Fri Jan 03 1992 14:03 | 8 |
| >> John, have you tried therapy? :^)
Nah, but I've tried drink !
As a slight aside, there is an informal 'sub-club' within the AWDC
which is known as the 'All Wheel Drinking Club', but I'm not in that !
J.R. (and they don't go for drinking AND driving, it's one or t'other)
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1337.47 | ROC trial at Sidbury Hill | TRUCKS::SMART | Taste and try before you buy | Mon Jan 06 1992 09:02 | 6 |
| News Flash!
ROC are holding a trial at Sidbury Hill, near Tidworth (just off A338
Salisbury to Marlborough road) on Sunday, 12 January. Sidbury is on
Army land and is chalk. At this time of year it's like driving through
porridge but in the summer it's like talcum powder.
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1337.48 | WANTED: Landrover Overdrive. | FILTON::PADDICK | And I thought the answer was 42. | Wed Feb 19 1992 20:27 | 9 |
| Hello (I've posted this in several placesd)
Does anyone know of a second hand overdrive unit suitable for a 2�litre
petrol series IIA. (Couldn't possibly afford a new one)
Regards,
Meic.P.
|
1337.49 | | MAJORS::QUICK | Fubb | Thu Feb 20 1992 12:11 | 4 |
| I can't say I see the point in posting it several times in the
same conference meself, but there you go...
JJ.
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1337.50 | | KERNEL::IMBIERSKIT | | Mon Aug 08 1994 16:11 | 4 |
| Are the details for the AWDC posted in .0 still current? (I presume the
membership fee has gone up!)
Tony I
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