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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
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1240.0. "MERCEDES" by WOTVAX::CROUGHANK () Wed Sep 26 1990 15:27

Please could anyone tell me any details about a Merc. 580 SEL AMG . I would be 
interested to hear about when it was made, howmany were (are) made, howmuch they 
cost and what the performance is . I no there not the most common of cars but 
its worth a go to see if the panel could help.

Regards Kieran.
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1240.1PEKING::TAYLORGBodybuilders do it till it hurtsWed Sep 26 1990 18:509
    re-1
    
    Is it the AMG 560E or the Hammer you are on about if it is then it is a
    300E with the engine bay modified to take the 5.6Litre Merc V8.  The V8
    is modified with a 32v head and produces some 330+bhp.  Performance is
    0-60MPH in 5 seconds (Automatic transmission) amd top speed 188MPH
    
    
    Grant
1240.2cheers grantWOTVAX::CROUGHANKThu Sep 27 1990 12:4910
Thank's grant for your reply. All I know is that its the 580 SEL AMG its similar 
in looks to the 600 SEL which is featured on the Fosters advert its a knew car 
but looks quite dated. If it has similar peerformance to what you described 
theres nothing old about it. Its definately a four door rather than the two door 
560 SEC.
   I've looked in loads of books on Mercedes and I cant find it in any of them I 
know that the 600 SEL has started to be built again.It might be,that its a not 
so poor relation to the 600 but I'm sure it wasnt a Limo which the 600 is.
Thanks again.
Kieran
1240.3PEKING::TAYLORGBodybuilders do it till it hurtsThu Sep 27 1990 13:228
    re-1
    
    The old 600SEL used a old 6.9Litre (I think) V8 engine.  The new
    S-Class has as the top of the range model a 600SEL.  The new 600SEL
    uses a brand new Mercedes 6.0Litre 300BHP V12 and is related to the old
    600SEL in name only.
    
    Grant
1240.4600 etc.DOOZER::PENNEYFri Sep 28 1990 15:1830
Order of things was:

1964(-ish): 600 introduced. New from ground up. The most massive "presence"
imaginable. 6.3 litre V8. Pitched as direct rival to Rolls Royce. Caused a
sensation. 1st car ever with central locking I think. Saloon version had 4
doors, 4 seats, not referred to as limo. Separate Lwb ("pullman") limousine 
seemed to exist in several versions, eg 4d, 6d, landaulette, probably built 
mainly to order. Don't know when MB stopped making the 600 - about '82? 

1967-ish: 300SEL 6.3. The 600 engine dropped into the volume-selling MB
large saloon, previously available with 2.5 & 2.8 6 cylinder and 3.5 V8 
engines. Real rocket ship. 

1983?  450SEL 6.9. Same sort of thing - enlarged 6.9 litre version of the 
600 engine dropped into the different-from-previous volume selling saloon 
(the "S" series), previously available with 2.8 6 cylinder and 3.5 & 4.5
V8s.  Again a real rocket ship but probably no faster than 300SEL 6.3 due
to extra weight. Safer though, because old swing-axle rear suspension no
longer used.  The successor to this car was the still-current (just)
560SEL. 

I think basically there have been just two V8 engine designs - the
3.5/3.8/*4.2/4.5/*5.0/*5.6 (* still current) fitted to various saloons and
SL sports cars, not to mention the current championship winning group C
sports racing cars, and the now defunct 6.3/6.9 for the 600 and aforesaid
rocket ships. 

Wish I'd been there: - Innes Ireland (ex F1 driver) gave a demonstration
run of a 600 Pullman at an Oulton Park race meeting in the 60s and got
caught out by the swing axles suspension. He rolled it... 
1240.5300 SLR questionAIMTEC::BURDEN_DA bear in his natural habitatMon May 22 1995 17:414
Did the 300 SLR have a straight 6 or 8 engine?  If it was an eight, what years
was it 'produced' and how many did they make?

Dave
1240.6LEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Tue May 23 1995 19:182
    The road going 300SL had a 6 cyl. Don't remember what the SLR had, but
    would guess it used a wild version of the 6cyl ...