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950.1 | Experiment! | KELVIN::RPALMER | Half a bubble off plumb | Wed Mar 25 1987 12:46 | 15 |
| Steve,
I had the same problem with my kitchen. Some moron glued the
fake brick to T&G oak wainscoting. I also had that stuff glued
to the countertops, I ended up taking the whole mess to the dump.
There is no one universal adhesive compound. Some are soluble
in water, some in paint thinner and some others that need exotic
chemicals to dissolve. Did you ever get foam in a can on you? That
stuff never comes off!
The best I can suggest is to experiment. Try hot water, acetone,
and paint thinner to see if any work. I don't think you will have
much luck getting all the goop out of the cracks between the T&G.
You might try using a heat gun to soften it up first. If you can
find out what type of adhesive it is I can be more specific. Did
the other owner leave the can of adhesive in the cellar?
=Ralph=
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950.2 | Try a heat gun! | DRUID::CHACE | | Wed Mar 25 1987 13:14 | 4 |
| I have used a heat gun with great success on floor adhesive. You'll
just have to take it easy to avoid scorching the wood beneath.
Kenny
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950.3 | | BPOV09::SJOHNSON | Steve | Thu Mar 26 1987 12:08 | 11 |
|
Thanks for the tips.
I'll check the cellar to see if the container is down there, but
don't think it will be, although the previuos owner left behind
2 or 3 shelves full of old paint/varnish/etc containers.
But it looks like I'll be experimenting.
Steve
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950.4 | Try dry ice to remove adhesive | HEADS::OSBORN | Sally's VAXNotes Vanity Plate | Thu Mar 26 1987 12:45 | 2 |
| Dry ice has been recommended to make an adhesive more brittle,
thus allowing you to remove it more easily.
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950.5 | Adhesive remover chemical | BPOV09::SJOHNSON | Steve | Sun May 10 1987 10:55 | 15 |
| Believe it or not, I found by accident a chemical labelled as "adhesive
remover" in my Friendly Neighborhood True Value(tm) Hardware Store.
It's made by the Sunnyside Chemical Co. It worked great in removing
the old adhesive from my wall. I had to re-apply about 3 times
because the old adhesive was so thick, but it worked.
It cleans up with paint thinner.
You have to wear gloves cos it's nasty stuff.
Steve
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950.24 | waterproof glue | CADDLE::HARDING | | Thu Nov 05 1987 12:57 | 6 |
|
Does anyone have any recommendations for a strong waterproof epoxy
glue ?
dave
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950.25 | | WELFAR::PGRANSEWICZ | Auhhhhh, I've been slimed! | Thu Nov 05 1987 13:17 | 1 |
| Check out the TOOLS conference.
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950.26 | | AUTHOR::WELLCOME | Steve Wellcome (Maynard) | Fri Nov 06 1987 10:09 | 10 |
| The best I've seen is called "Accra-Weld" from
Brownell's Inc.
Route 2 Box 1 $3.00 for catalog, I think
Montezuma, Iowa
They cater to professional gunsmiths and have all sorts of unusual
tools. Their epoxy is true industrial-grade stuff. I've used it
for all sorts of random glue jobs over the years and never had a
failure with it.
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950.6 | Looking for adhesive-backed Velcro? | XANADU::FLEISCHER | Bob, DTN 381-0895, ZKO3-2/T63, BOSE A/D | Wed Jul 13 1988 16:54 | 8 |
| I'm looking for a source of velcro strips that are
self-adhesive. In particular I'd prefer a 1/4" wide
continuous roll (I need thin, long strips). I also want a
choice of colors (actually, the only color I need is a medium
blue).
Thanks,
Bob
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950.7 | | BINKLY::WINSTON | Jeff Winston (Hudson, MA) | Wed Jul 13 1988 18:16 | 5 |
| try a fabric store (the fabric place, windsor button shop, etc) -or
some household mailorder catalogs have them too
be careful - use too large a contact area and it will be very
difficult to separate
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950.8 | Velcro?? Look in the "fasteners" section... | LITLTN::CAHILL | Jim Cahill | Thu Jul 14 1988 11:20 | 6 |
| G.V. Moore's in Littleton carries several different colors. They cut
just what you need off a long roll. Last time I bought some, it was
somewhere around $1/foot. I would imagine other hardware stores in
your area also have it.
Jim
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950.9 | Velcro USA - 603-669-4880 | UCOUNT::BAILEY | Corporate Sleuth | Fri Jul 15 1988 13:11 | 25 |
| Most discount fabric stores carry it (the So-Fro chain, for example)
and you can buy it by the inch (last I got was 10 cents/inch) in
black, beige, and white, sometimes others. It's usually about 3/4
inch wide. It's NOT self adhesive.
I've only seen the self-adhesive variety as small "spots" or short
strips. I'd be hesitant to use self-adhesive for very long sections
unless the adhesive is really good, because the force required to
separate the velcro in long sections places additional stress on
the glue and might make it pop up. (It's not an easy substance
to adhere, you know!) Depending on what two surfaces you want to
join, you might consider sewing, stapling, or otherwise more securely
fastening the velcro to each surface, whatever is suitable. If
that doesn't work, and you MUST use adhesives, you could try asking
at the fabric store or calling Velcro in Manchester, NH (they are
"local", did you realize that?) If that doesn't pan out (and the
company might be able to direct you to something that does just
waht you want, by the way), I guess you should consider the qualtities
of the surfaces you are joining and the Velcro, and think of what
will hold up to the abuse, and use that. Hot glue guns, epoxy,
silicon adhesive come to mind -- something sort of thick and firm.
Good luck!
Sherry
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950.10 | Don't use. Get contact cement with ordinary velcro | ALEX::CONN | Alex Conn, ZKO | Mon Aug 01 1988 17:20 | 13 |
| I do not recommend self-adhesive velcro. The adhesive is simply
not strong enough for most applications. Everything I have tried
it on has failed sooner or later. Instead, do the following:
Buy ordinary velcro and Barge cement (a high quality contact cement
often used by shoe repair shops--if you can't find it, use Weldwood
contact cement). The contact cement is much stronger than anything
you'd normally get that is self adhesive. By the way, I have found
Barge cement at REI (a coop store and catalog of camping and outdoor
equipment primarily located in the northwest but with a new store in
Reading, MA)
Alex
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950.28 | What is superglue good for other than self-adhesion? | SENIOR::SHAW | Ben Wah? Who's he? | Mon Mar 06 1989 11:56 | 16 |
| I've stuck my fingers to my thumb. I've stuck my fingers to the tube. I've
stuck the cap of the tube to my fingers. I've stuck my fingers to the cloth I
used to remove the glue from my hand.
I have told supplier EXACTLY what I want to stick.
I have read the instructions carefully.....AND followed them to the letter.
I have even called the manufacturer.
I have taken samples of the material I need to repair to the supplier.
Has anybody ever found ANYTHING that superglue will repair?
What am I doing wrong please?
It's hard to type with two glued up fists.
Brian.
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950.29 | Not for sniffin' | ATSE::GOODWIN | | Mon Mar 06 1989 13:00 | 49 |
| I have had some real good luck with superglue, and even more bad luck.
The only conclusion I can come to is that you just have to try it and
see if it will do what you want.
You're right, though, that it mostly seems to work best on those things
that you don't want it to work on. In fact the overall effect of
superglue can be described by the formula:
B = V/D
where B is the strength of the bond, V is the value of the materials
being bonded, and D is the strength of your desire to bond those
materials.
Actually, I have noticed that not all superglues are created equal.
There seems to be a great variation in quality among manufacturers, to
the extent that I have had some brand new glue work fine where another
brand wouldn't work at all. And they purported to be the same stuff.
Age and temperature also seem to have effects.
But to answer your original question:
One time when I was on a trip to Dallas, Texas, the sole of my
right shoe decided to separate from the upper, which was a thinner
piece of leather which went all the way around my foot and was
apparently glued to the sole -- not very well, though. Since I
had recently had the experience of getting my fingers glued
together (by a humorous co-worker) I figured that perhaps super
glue would have the same effect on the cow's "skin" as it did on
mine. So without even taking off my shoe (I was showing off), I
poured about half a bottle of super glue on the top of the soul,
then put stepped right down on it hard with the upper which my
right foot was in. As I was counting to ten I began to imagine
that I could feel warmth on the bottom of my foot, which I
discounted as an illusion caused by pressing hard on it. Then
I began to imagine that there was smoke coming out from in between
the soul and the upper, and that the bottom of my foot was
beginning to get hotter. Being a fairly quick fellow, I reached
right down and yanked the shoelace into a knot which it eventually
took 15 minutes to untie. The only reason I got the shoe off at
all is that the glue had overflowed the other side of the soul and
spilled under the soul and the shoe was firmly stuck to the floor,
so when I lost my balance and fell forward my foot pulled right
out of the shoe, which was firmly stuck to the linoleum floor.
The only time it has worked totally satisfactorily is when we glued a
quarter to the floor down in the lab and watched folks come by and try
to pick it up. Took a hammer and chisel to get it loose.
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950.30 | | TRITON::CONNELL | Down on Toidy-toid 'n Toid Avenue | Mon Mar 06 1989 13:33 | 13 |
| >< Note 3077.0 by SENIOR::SHAW "Ben Wah? Who's he?" >
> I've stuck my fingers to my thumb.
Considering the fact that Super/Crazy/Cyanoacrylic adhesives were
developed to replace sutures in the medical field, it's not surprising that
the thing it sticks together best is skin.
I've had luck with it mostly on non-porous, flat surfaces such as
lexan and plexiglass.
Good luck with your new claws. 8^)
--Mike
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950.31 | | BOSTON::SWIST | Jim Swist BXO 224-1699 | Mon Mar 06 1989 13:34 | 17 |
| Matching a glue to the proper application is no small trick. "Bonds
anything to anything etc" is marketing hype.
ACC (super) glues come in a variety of viscosities. The thinner
ones are the ones that set very quickly. The thicker ones take
longer but have better gap-filling characteristics and are more
like the conventional (oozy sticky-stuff) glues the uninitiated
may be expecting.
Very thin super glues are difficult to work with as they want to
spread and flow. They need to be applied in very small drops only
to surfaces which mate very cleanly and are not very porous. Otherwise
they'll run all over the place, including onto your fingers.
Fooling aroung with superglues is stupidity. Bonding skin is the
least of its bad side effects. Getting it in your eyes is a very,
very serious matter.
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950.32 | A thousand and one uses... | PSTJTT::TABER | The call of the mild | Mon Mar 06 1989 13:51 | 20 |
| I've always assumed that the manufacturer knows the best application of their
products, so I've been waiting until I needed to glue my hardhat to an I-beam
before I bought any. An earlier commercial implies it might be good if
you want to use a 2x4 to bond a couple of pickup trucks as well.
When my Mom bought some to repair a china cup, I managed to stick my
thumb and forefingers together gripping the pin I had just pierced the cap
with. This is the sort of edge you need to pick up those few extra tenths
of a second in the Olympic Balloon-popping event. However, it didn't do
me (or later, the cup) any good.
I've heard that law enforcement people think it's dandy for lifting finger-
prints -- I always assumed they're lifting them off the fingers they used
to be attached to as an interrogation technique.... (just kidding.)
To add one serious note, I've always found that it has good tensile strength,
but little or no shear strength. The ads for it always show it being used
in tensile applications, so I imagine the manufacturers feel the same way.
>>>==>PStJTT
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950.33 | It does get rather warm as it reacts ;^) | TEKTRM::REITH | Jim Reith DTN 235-8459 HANNAH::REITH | Mon Mar 06 1989 14:25 | 5 |
| It's used in model airplane building quite a bit. You can fill a gap with the
thin stuff if you use some baking soda in the joint. Baking soda will react with
it right away and create a hard substance. I've fixed cup handles by putting
baking soda in the joint, wiping off the excess, wicking the glue into the joint,
and holding it away as it "smokes" its fumes. Use in well ventilated areas.
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950.34 | Stuck | SENIOR::SHAW | Ben Wah? Who's he? | Mon Mar 06 1989 14:25 | 25 |
| Thanks for the replies. I'm not fooling around. I'm deadly serious. I've not
found anything the stuff will stick. I wanted to repair a porcelain ornament so
I bought the one that says it will stick china, porcelain, clay etc. No go.
I recently cracked the plastic upholstry in my car that covers the seat belt,
on the door post, so I bought the one that sticks plastic, vinyl, poly
whatever..it's called.
It's amusing to stick dimes to the floor and I've done similar (actually it was
an engineers enamel/metal coffee mug. I as an apprentice, nailed it to a wooden
bench, then filled it with coffee. It got the same reception as the cling wrap
over the toilet bowl :-(....), but how the heck do I stick plastic and
porcelain?
The supplier does not want to take it back, and I'm getting nickel and dimed to
death because I'm "just a customer", spending money in an attempt to use the
goods in the manner they are advertised in.
Contact adhesives are not suitable for either application. I have used epoxy
resin based adhesives with good results, however in the car, the damage is a
long spilt in the hard plastic, and I cannot get the adhesive in the air gap.
Superglue goes in fine.....runs down the crack....and glues my fingers to the
plastic.
Maybe I'll try a 6" nail.
Thankyou,
Brian.
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950.35 | Stick 'em up | ATSE::GOODWIN | | Mon Mar 06 1989 15:02 | 32 |
| Somewhere recently I read an article about this stuff. I think it
might have been in Popular Science or Popular Mechanics in the last
couple of months or so. They said that some brands work MUCH better
than others, especially on surfaces like plastics, porcelain, glass,
etc., which are borderline in their ability to work with this type of
glue anyway.
They said that the glue is acidic and that contact with even a very
slightly basic substance will initiate the setting up process. They
said that most surfaces have atmospheric moisture on them and that that
moisture, slight though it is is just a tiny bit basic chemically and
is enough to start the curing process. That's probably why baking
soda, which is quite basic, sets right up hard in no time.
The article also suggested that if some substances do not want to
stick, then you could try roughing them up a little, and/or try putting
a sheet of tissue paper between them to provide enough porosity for the
bonds to form. Tissue paper also makes a nice wick for the watery
glues.
Remember one thing -- some types of plastic will not stick at all, like
the bottle the stuff comes in.
If you're using a watery glue on a very porous surface, it can sink in
so fast that it doesn't work. Maybe a thicker glue would help.
I glued a big heavy glass ashtray back together once and it seemed as
strong as when it was new. I cleaned the surfaces with windex first
(which has ammonia in it -- a base). I didn't think about it at the
time, but maybe that helped.
Good luck
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950.36 | I found this after leaving here... | TEKTRM::REITH | Jim Reith DTN 235-8459 HANNAH::REITH | Mon Mar 06 1989 15:14 | 41 |
| <<< IOALOT::DUA3:[NOTES$LIBRARY]RC.NOTE;4 >>>
-< Welcome to the Radio Control Conference Home of DECRCM >-
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Note 409.43 GLUES 43 of 43
PEE47::COX "So Speedy, how do we get zeez brains?" 34 lines 6-MAR-1989 12:37
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More News!
The February issur of Popular Science contains an article on
CyA glues that explains away a lot of the mystery.
Let me recap some of the points. CyA is an organic monomer that
polymerizes when pressed into a thin film. This reaction takes
advantage of the microscopic layer of water that is present on almost
every surface. This layer is slightly basic and acts as a catalyst.
Now, if you look at the contents of a bottle of Zip-Kicker for example,
it is made up of freon and aromatic amines - amines are weak bases.
The kicker ups the pH of the surface so that when you apply CyA - Wham!
A couple of thoughts. When you open a bottle of CyA it begins the slow
process of curing, so that in about six months the stuff is no good. I
now buy the smallest bottles which in the long run are more economical
since I use them before they go bad. Keep the unused stuff in the
freezer and it will last up to two years.
After reading the article, I'm more prone to use a kicker and have
better results than before. Remember that even though the kicker sems
to evaporate very quickly (really its mostly the vehicle evaporating)
the surface remains treated for at least a minute - so don't feel that
you have to hurry!
If anyone wants a copy of the article send me mail at PEE47::COX, and
depending on the number of responses I'll mail them out or key it into
the note.
--|-- Happy (con)Trails!
(O)
_______/ \_______ Scott Cox
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950.37 | So how do they stick the teflon to the pan? ;^) | TEKTRM::REITH | Jim Reith DTN 235-8459 HANNAH::REITH | Mon Mar 06 1989 15:19 | 4 |
| Re: .7
The old bottles used to come with a capillary tube that was lined with teflon
so it wouldn't clog.
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950.38 | It does work on some things | PLANET::MARCHETTI | Mama said there'd be days like this. | Tue Mar 07 1989 09:20 | 7 |
| My son pulled the rearview mirror off my truck windshield and I
used superglue to stick it back on. The first time I tried it,
it didn't stick. The problem was I used to much (2 drops on a square
inch). I wiped it off and used as small a drop as I could, and
it worked great. That was six months ago, and it's still holding.
Bob
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950.39 | Would you believe earings? | AKOV11::GMURRAY | | Wed Mar 08 1989 13:41 | 16 |
| About a year ago, when I worked in Boston, my mother gave me
two jade beads and asked me to go to the Jewelers Building and
have earings made for my grandmother.
I went into one of the stores and asked for a specific type
of earing that they didn't have. Another Jeweler happened to
be there and said he could help me. He said to say I was his
cousin and not say anything else. We went into another shop
in the building where he bought the 14k gold earings for $5.00
to make the earings with. We then went to his workshop where
he used Superglue to glue the jade beads to the earings.
I asked him if this is what he always used, and he said yes, that
superglue has been the best invention yet to the jewelry business.
For some reason he liked me and only charged me the $5.00 for the
earings. And, as far as I know they are still sticking.
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950.40 | It works for me | CADSYS::RICHARDSON | | Tue Mar 14 1989 15:30 | 16 |
| I like the gooey superglue better than the really thin kind - which
really does run all over the place (including sticking your fingers
together, etc., although I never did a real bad job of that - the stuff
will peel off after it has set up, although it is a big nuisance). The
thicker stuff worked good for: gluing an airplane-damaged suitcase
corner back together (beats me how they mangle my luggage the way they
do - it was a *new* suitcase, too, not one of the previously-mangled
ones!), gluing the sole back onto my folk-dancing shoe (used one tiny
drop for every 2-3 square inches), and gluing back together the fronts
of the soles of the pair of shoes I am wearing right now (the soles are
rubber, and the top part seems to be connected, probably sewn, to the
leather, and then glued to the bottom part). I have had better luck
with epoxy (although it is a major nuisance - but it is easy to get it
off your fingernails!) when I need to fill gaps. Contact cement
worked good to glue a piece of broken vinyl tile back down after
someone dropped a heavy item on the floor and cracked it.
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950.41 | Still looking for the building with the hard hat stuck to its framing... | TEKTRM::REITH | Jim Reith DTN 235-8459 HANNAH::REITH | Wed Mar 15 1989 07:33 | 6 |
| As noted in the article sited earlier, the thinner the glue, the less
porous/better fitting the joint needs to be. The glue needs to be exposed
to something basic (non-acidic) to activate. I've done glass/ceramic with
a wipe of baking soda solution over the surfaces and then dried (it never
really dries totally) and when you press the two pieces together it better
be right!
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950.42 | Remember the acetone! | WECARE::BAILEY | Corporate Sleuth | Wed Mar 15 1989 16:49 | 14 |
| Being another of the pin-stuck types, I have found some success
with the glue pens that keep your fingertips and the glue a couple
of inches apart. I never try to work without my tissue box and
acetone based fingernail polish remover handy, and use the smallest
amount of glue possible for the task at hand. Toss the leftover
glue after a month or two, and consider the dollar the cost of the
single repair -- it does go bad and having it around and not useful
just makes it annoying when you need it. It's good for some things
and not for others. You just have to figure out what's what!
Thanks for the tip on activation by a base -- I never knew that.
Guess I'll take another stab at fixing MY shoes!!!
Sherry
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950.43 | It keeps in the cold | REGENT::GETTYS | Bob Gettys N1BRM 235-8285 | Thu Mar 16 1989 08:50 | 8 |
| I learned that keeping the stuff cold will extend its
life considerably. When it first came out, and was only used
industrialy, all the bottles reccomended refrigeration for
storage, new or opened. Now, nobody talks about it. I have kept,
and used, bottles of the stuff for upwards of 5 years by keeping
in the refrigerator at normal food keeping temperatures.
/s/ Bob
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950.44 | | SALEM::RIEU | Is the 'stiff water' gone yet?? | Thu Mar 16 1989 13:03 | 3 |
| Ah, yes, good old 'Permabond' I might even still heve a bottle
in the fridge somewhere!
Denny
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950.11 | Construction Adhesives | FORCE::HQCONSOL | | Fri Nov 10 1989 15:02 | 12 |
| A dir/title= glue or adhesive didn't find any previous existing
note for:
What product do you recommend for a sub-floor construction adhesive
for bonding the plywood to the joists. Seems lots of places carry
Liquid Nails. I want some advice that will point me to a TRIED & PROVEN
product.
I also plan to use either ringed nails or cement coated nails for
nailing the CDX into the joists.
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950.12 | PL400 | TOOK::SWIST | Jim Swist LKG2-2/T2 DTN 226-7102 | Fri Nov 10 1989 16:00 | 12 |
| "Liquid Nails" is similar to a product called "PL200" - both are medium
duty construction adhesives. The people who make PL200 (who?) make
this stuff called PL400. I've only seen it in the large size tubes and
it's not all that easy to find, but it's supposedly a lot more serious
than PL200/Liquid Nails. I also found it a bit easier to work with
(was stickier and more fluid - beads didn't fall off the work).
However, bonding subfloor to joists is a wood-to-wood joint assisted by
nails and is not a really a tough application. I'm sure Liquid Nails
would be fine.
A "tough" application is subfloor to concrete, no nails.
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950.13 | Wham Wham KA-BOOOM! | XCUSME::KRUY | There Ain't No Justice | Fri Nov 10 1989 17:54 | 13 |
|
I just did this in my attic & we used liquid nails subflooring
somethingorother. It seems to work real well (then again the
floor has only been down a week & not much traffic to speak of,
but no squeeks! :^) ).
We picked this one becuase we didn't have great ventilation & all
the other brands said "DANGER: EXPLOSIVE. Do not generate sparks".
Seeing as we were using an electric compressor with a framing
gun, we went with the one that wasn't explosive.
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950.14 | PL400 works well | TRITON::FERREIRA | | Mon Nov 13 1989 08:42 | 5 |
| I used the PL400 and found it to be real good to work with. It's thick enough
to stay reasonably where put. Hit has excellent bonding & fill characteristics.
Yet, remains elastic enough once set up to provide that cushion between sub-n-
joists to keep out the squeaks. It's available at Littleton Lumber, located
diagonally across 119 from the LKG at the intersection of 495.
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950.15 | PL400 | SHARE::CALDERA | | Mon Nov 13 1989 12:29 | 13 |
| Another vote for PL400 I used PL400 for subflooring works great, I also
used PL200 to attach some wooden blocks to use as stand offs for
styrofoam insulation, they fell off before it dried, the ones that did
stick fell when the wood got wet during construction, I tried some
PL400 that was hanging around it worked great, even when the rain came
and the roof was opened up, it held. True PL400 may be a little tough
to find but its worth the search, don't let them tell you something
else is just as good.
Good luck,
Paul
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950.27 | Look at marine Epoxies - West System | RECYCL::MCBRIDE | | Tue May 01 1990 12:11 | 6 |
| For a decent waterproof glue, look at some of the marine epoxies. West
System is the first that comes to mind. Very strong and can be mixed
with all sorts of fillers to customize the consistency for various
purposes.
Brian
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950.16 | Which easier to remove - adhesive or powernails? | MVDS00::LOCKRIDGE | Artificial Insanity | Fri Aug 02 1991 12:39 | 21 |
| Opinions Solicited:
Since I'm not sure this would fall under any current note. . .
I'd like to get opinions about using construction cement on a concrete
floor vs .22 powerload driven nails into a concrete floor as to the
REMOVAL of the material (a 2x3 or 2x4) attached with the same.
I am looking to build a room into my garage with an opening into my
living room, to expand my pipe organ. At some point when I find a used
cathedral, I will want to move out of the present residence and I have
a distinct feeling that any prospective buyer will not be interested in
a 'Organ Chamber' in the garage (i.e., this is NOT useful living
space).
So what do you think. Which would be easier to remove? I know which
one I believe, but want to see what other may think (and why).
Thanks!
-Bob
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950.17 | Another option | ELWOOD::LANE | | Fri Aug 02 1991 12:52 | 6 |
| How about 3/8 lead anchors in 9/16 holes? Un-do the bolt and fill the holes
when you're done. They'll work like a champ and be easier to install (unless
you already have a power nailer...)
Mickey.
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950.18 | Maybe good for new cement... | GUFFAW::GRANSEWICZ | It's on my list | Fri Aug 02 1991 13:42 | 9 |
|
RE: .0
Judging from the way the power nails went into my basement floor,
you'll have no trouble getting them out because they don't go in to
begin with. Your mileage may vary but they were practically useless on
my 38 year old concrete basement floor. Go with the lag bolts and
anchors, as suggested.
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950.19 | Church building for sale. | SMURF::PINARD | | Fri Aug 02 1991 16:09 | 3 |
| Just buy the Cathedral, there is a jehova church type building
for sale in Manchester, N.H. on Varney St... ;^)
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950.20 | I vote adhesive | WONDER::BENTO | U know my name, look up the # | Mon Aug 05 1991 17:41 | 8 |
|
I used both types on my basement floor when laying down a new
flooron top.
My guess is the construction adhesive will outlast the .22s. Of
course, preparation of the materials to be joined has a lot to do
with this too! If you just lay cement on an un-cleaned floor, all
bets are off.
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950.21 | another vote | PARITY::KLEBES | John F. Klebes | Tue Aug 06 1991 18:37 | 24 |
| My vote for power(or unpowered) nails is NO.
They don't work very well if the concrete has cured for a few years.
Even on new construction they have a tendency to breakout large chunks
of concrete if they are not driven in perfectly perpendicular to the
surface.
Construction Adhesive is a MAYBE.
I used the construction adhesive combined with two to three concrete
expansion bolts per eight foot pressure treated 2x4's. On one section
I failed to measure first and cut once. I needed to cut off a four
inch section that had been glued down for 24 hours. I had to use
several heavy blows with a large sledge hammer to remove a four inch
section of 2x4. Their was a 1/16th inch rough layer of concrete
firmly attached to the 2x4 and a rough surface left on the concrete
surface. You could float a layer of leveling concrete over the area
and possible get a good looking repaired surface.
Lag Bolts, concrete screws, or expansion bolts would be best.
All are fairly easy to remove and leave only an easily fillable
hole in the concrete surface. The down side is you will
definitely be able to tell that there were holes patched in the
surface and they are very expensive. (the .22 are just as expensive)
-JFK-
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950.22 | Try them, if they don't work, Plan B(olt) | GUFFAW::GRANSEWICZ | It's on my list | Thu Aug 08 1991 13:14 | 7 |
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Also, if your floor isn't level the board will be excerting upward
pressure on the nails. If they did seat real well, they pull out.
But I have seen them work well in other instances. You probably should
a nailer and then try it. Any problems, then go with lag bolts and
anchors.
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950.23 | | VERGA::WELLCOME | Steve Wellcome (Maynard) | Wed Aug 14 1991 11:02 | 6 |
| Neither nails nor adhesive are designed to be removable.
Given that you know you want this thing to be removable,
I'd go with something that gives you a result that is
designed to be taken apart: drilled holes and anchors. I
am personally quite partial to Star (brand) Tamp-Ins. They
hold really well, in my experience.
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950.51 | Remove Glue from Wood | MAYES::MERRITT | | Wed May 20 1992 13:08 | 14 |
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I need some help trying to find "something" that will remove
glue from wood! We just bought a new day bed that is made
from dark pine wood. Once we got the darn thing all assembled
we noticed one of the wood spindles has dried glue dripping
down the side. My hubby starting scraping it off with a
knife....but it was making scratches in the wood!
I realize I can return it...and if I can't find an easy
solution to remove the glue...I probably will send it back!
Any idea/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Sandy
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950.52 | worth a try | SUBWAY::DARCY | | Wed May 20 1992 16:02 | 23 |
| Depending on the type of glue, I'd imagine this to be some form of
Carpenters glue, there are different solvents which can be applied.
Check with you local hardware store for their recommendation for
Carpenters glue (not so much that I don't know of any, but rather I'm
not familiar with local brands in different parts of the country).
Some common household solutions you may want to try, which won't hurt
the finish are:
- dishwashing liquid and hot water
- white vinegar
- nail polish remover, rubbing alcohol
- accetone
- wall paper paste remover
Also - lightly sanding with a fine grade sand paper might do the trick.
If the finish gets dulled doing this, you can touch it up with Varnish
or Polyurethane (number of finishes from dull (flat), semi and high
gloss).
re;
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950.53 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Wed May 20 1992 16:16 | 7 |
| > Some common household solutions you may want to try, which won't hurt
> the finish are:
>...
> - nail polish remover, rubbing alcohol
> - accetone
Nail polish remover is [mostly] acetone, and acetone will harm most finishes.
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950.54 | | STAR::DZIEDZIC | | Thu May 21 1992 08:28 | 3 |
| Most furniture is finished AFTER assembly; if the finish was
applied OVER the glue there's not much you're going to be able
to do about removing the glue without exposing the wood.
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950.55 | | MAYES::MERRITT | | Thu May 21 1992 09:35 | 8 |
| Well I'm sure it is carpenter glue....last night I tried
dish detergent/water and it didn't help at all!! I then tried
to use my fingernail...and did get some glue off but also chipped
the wood! (and broke my nail!!)
Obviously this piece of furniture did not go through a quality check!
Sandy
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950.45 | Is Locktite good for this? | SOLVIT::NNGUYEN | | Mon Nov 22 1993 12:07 | 28 |
| Hi,
I have a '85 Stanza sedan with 2.0L EFI engine. This past
weekend, when I started the car I heard the engine was very noisy.
After visual inspection and checking the spark plugs and ignition
wires without luck I decided to open the engine cover.
I found a broken piece of aluminum inside. This piece was
part of the cylinder head and it was part of the hole for a bolt
hold down the crankshaft(?). The broken piece had 3/4 the thread
of the hole. It looked like this part was at the edge and it was
further weakened by the threads for the bolt and now it broke off.
Righ now I just tighten the bolt which had very litle thread
to hold. There were 3 other bolts in fairly good shape holding down
the same shaft. The car can be driven but something must be done soon.
Do you know how to fix this problem without replacing the
cylinder head? I had a shop manual of this car and it showed the
problem part as a whole cylinder head block.
>>> Is there any special glue/Locktite which can withstand the
heat in the engine, the attack of the hot oil and the force of the
tighten bolt? The piece geometry was small, not enough for drilling
hole (I was thinking to attach the piece via drill and screw.)
Thanks for any suggestion.
/Neil
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950.46 | | MRKTNG::BROCK | Son of a Beech | Mon Nov 22 1993 12:44 | 8 |
| It is not the crankshaft, but the camshaft.
You MIGHT get away with just the remaining bolts holding the cam. I
doubt if those bolts do double duty and also secure the head.
I doubt that ANY glue would hold it.
If you have an extended engine warranty, you might be covered.
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950.47 | ex | SOLVIT::NNGUYEN | | Mon Nov 22 1993 12:49 | 7 |
| The car is 7 yrs old with 70K miles on it so I don't think there is
any warranty on it.
The bolts only hold the shaft. They are about 5mm size, 2" or less
in length.
/Neil
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950.48 | | CSC32::S_BROOK | There and back to see how far it is | Mon Nov 22 1993 13:01 | 2 |
| This question belongs in Mechanix-II or in Carbuffs ... not homework ...
but anyway, you need a new head ... no question ...
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950.49 | Yup, better asked in carbuffs. | SOLVIT::CHACE | My favorite season is getting nearer! | Mon Nov 22 1993 14:17 | 8 |
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If the head broke *with* all the other threads, it certainly won't
hold with the few that are left. I think you need a new head. Its
*possible* that you can find a great machine shop that can weld on a
new boss, the drill and tap it. But it'll likely cost as much as a new
head. Try to get one from a junkyard. They guarantee their stuff.
Kenny
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950.50 | Change the oil, too | SSDEVO::JACKSON | Jim Jackson | Mon Nov 22 1993 15:24 | 2 |
| And change your oil ASAP, and again in 1K miles, to get rid of the aluminum
pieces floating around in your engine.
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950.56 | Can contact cemented surfaces be separated? | TRU116::WEISS | | Mon Nov 20 1995 09:01 | 16 |
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I'm currently renovating our kitchen (new flooring, base cabinets, dishwasher
and fixtures), and now that I have removed the old base cabinet and flooring
I'm ready to start removing the old back-splash. The previous owners'
contractor used one solid piece of formica to cover the counter-top and
back-splash, which has been contact cemented to chip-board mounted on the wall.
Since I don't want to damage the wall cabinets at this time I need to remove
the formica to that I can inspect the chip-board to ensure that I can remove it
and replace it with drywall.
Does anyone know how I can separate the formica from the chip-board given that
I was attached using contact cement. I'm guessing that I'll have to sand it
off with a belt sander, but if you have any suggestions please let me know.
Thanks,
Ira
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950.57 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Mon Nov 20 1995 11:12 | 4 |
| Try a heat gun to warm the laminate and then gently pry it off with a
putty knife.
Steve
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950.58 | goof off | SMURF::WALTERS | | Mon Nov 20 1995 12:33 | 11 |
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A strong solvent like goof-off will dissolve the contact cement. Get a
pack of thin wooden door shims, cut some wooden wedges and get a cheap
paintbrush. Start by carefully prising up a corner with a sharp chisel
and brush in some goof off. Wait a min for the bond to soften and then
push in the shim to wedge it up. Repeat this until you have about a
square foot loose and sometimes it starts to come up just by tapping
in the shims.
Colin
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950.59 | | REGENT::POWERS | | Tue Nov 21 1995 08:44 | 9 |
| I don't understand.
How have you removed the base cabinets without already having removed
the countertop and the attached backsplash?
Do you plan to replace the whole countertop? (You don't plan on saving
the present laminate if you unglue it, do you?)
If you are replacing the backsplash with drywall, what's the shape of the
chipboard got to do with anything?
- tom]
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950.60 | More clarification, but the heat gun worked! | TRU116::WEISS | | Tue Nov 21 1995 09:20 | 21 |
| Thanks for the suggestions, I borrowed my brothers heat gun last night
and got most of it removed.
Tom: I tore out the old counter-top and base cabinet, but found myself
stuck with the back-splash. I didn't want to just pry up the
back-spalsh because I couldn't tell if it went up behind the wall
cabinets. Now that I've removed the formica I can see that it ends
below the wall cabinets.
This renovation only includes new vinyl floor, base cabinets, counter-
top, dishwasher and fixtures. The other appliances are new, and I'm
cash strapped due to a baby on the way and I have to re-finish my
basement office and remove my temporary office from the nursery. The
basement office got wrecked with flooding inthe spring (never buy a
house in the winter!).
Sorry for the long drawn-out response, but I did want to address your
questions.
Thanks again,
Ira
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