Conference marvin::uk_music

    
    Slightly more current :- Spice Girls....
    
    Yes, I can see their appeal visually, but who is is buying the records
    ?? and even more importantly, why ????
    
    G.

    
    Bis:
    
    a) getting a record deal
    b) playing on TOTP
    c) making the NME cover
    d) not being embarrassed by how crap they are
     

    
    Tribute Bands.
    
    If what they're doing is really a 'tribute' then am I right in assuming
    all the money they make is forwarded on to the real artistes ?
    
    G.

    I second .5.
    
    I also put forward Whitney/Mariah/any screeching (cos it ain't singing)
    types who make a living by breaking hearing aids/dogs eardrums.
    
    
    
    				Stretch.
     

    
    Jungle 'Music'.
    
    Take an average to good female vocalist, some lyrics that may or may
    not be okay - difficult to tell most of the time - ands then overdub
    with two or three erratic drum machines playing out of sync.
    
    apart from the obvious saving in vinyl/plastic, packaging and
    advertising costs, WHY ?
    
    G.
    
    

You go round to someone's house and they say "listen to this, it's great"
and they play it to you on some crappy three hundred quid mini system
that's got one speaker six feet in the air on top of a bookcase and the
other sitting on the carpet playing staight to the back of an armchair.
Great ? they've got no idea how great it could really be if it was played 
properly.

On the other hand....

You go round to someone else's house and they say "listen to this, it's great"
and they belt out some rubbish like "Money for Nothing" through a five grand
Hi-Fi. On their bookcase they've maybe got ten CD's and 20 LP's and they
keep dribbling on about how LP is better than CD. 

Dave WOOD

 >> they keep dribbling on about how LP is better than CD.                  
    
    
    ...you don't need 5 grands worth of HiFi to prove this, just spend the
    same amount of money on a Turntable as you do on a CD Player.
    
    G.

    Practically anything in the charts.
    
    Goldy.

    
       Anything by Celine Dion!If you watched the opening ceremony of the
    Olympics you will understand why this secondrate Karioke singer and all
    that she stands for MUST BE DESTROYED!!!!!!!
    
                                                MUZ...

    The Cranberries
    Whitney Houston
    
    Mikef

Phil Collins

Stuart

    >>    <<< Note 1359.2 by CHEFS::PANES "Fifty grand or the foetus gets it" >>>
    >>                              -< Phil Collins >-
    
    >>    <<< Note 1359.13 by CHEFS::PANES "Phil Collins?? Nein danke">>>
    >>                             -< whiney little git >-
    
    >> Phil Collins
    
    >> Stuart
     
    
    ....I take it form these two notes that you don't much care for him
    then  %^)
    
    G.

    
    Is he threatening the general public with a new album or something?

  <<< Note 1359.15 by MOEUR5::BERNARD "Millions now living will never die" >>>
                             -< Run to the hills >-

    
>    Is he threatening the general public with a new album or something?


I think he has done enough already, but I'm sure when his latest
romance breaks up, we will be subjected to more of his angst-ridden
love songs.

Stuart

    Talking Heads
    Joni Mitchell
    Joan Armatrading
    
    Now don't get me wrong; I admire all of them as artists and I even
    quite like some of their stuff. But I just can't seem to latch onto
    that little extra "je ne sais quoi" that has some people drooling over
    them (and which, IMO, is what an "I Just Don't Get It" note should be
    all about)
    
    And for the "I Just Don't Get It - genre category", my vote goes to:
    
    
    Hip Hop
    C&W
    
    Dom

Simply Red... Simply Sh*te more like.


Stuart

    I know that Ginger bits has been whingeing about this every morning
    (and I am not confessing to being a fan here) but ............
    
    
    Why the intense hatred of the Spice Girls? OK they are twee pop but I
    do not get this major wave of instant dislike.
    
    
    			Stretch.

    I just don't get Jon and Vangelis. Jon Anderson was brilliant (honest)
    with Yes, and his solo stuff is okay as well (esp. Olias of Sunhillow).
    Vangelis is another artist for whom I have great respect, but together
    they just seem to produce puerile, inane and insubstantial crud. Why?
    
    Balders

    Agreed. Someone else I don't get is Jean Michel-Jarre, I find his
    popularity particularly baffling, it all sounds the same dunnit? All
    bland and overproduced, and don't even think about mentioning his duet
    with 'Hank effing Marvin'. He did duck away from the tried and tested
    formula once with the challenging and interesting (I didn't say good) 
    'Zoolook', but the sales of that were shite so it was back to the
    b*llocks.
    
    dickie.
    
    

    re .19 :-
    
    It's about time Ginger bits starting playing a tad more music, it's
    turning into a case of ' If I sit here and talk for long enough with
    this bunch something funny is bound to come out '.  Admitted some of it
    is a real hoot but more than 5/6 records an hour (OK, possibly 7/8) 
    would be nice !
    
    
    	Euan

    Thanks Euan, you just reminded me of a secondary rant......
    
    
    Chris (I'm a right zany person and to prove it my sychophants will now
    cackle like the sheep/hyenas that they are - or i'll fire 'em!) Evans
    
    How much does this $!"�%$!^!%� %$"%"%  $"�$%!" get paid? About 7K a day
    I believe. What a waste of licence payers dosh! My blinkin' dosh come
    to think of it!!!  Shoot the ginger !$R�"%$! I say!   
    
    
    			Stretch.

"Unfortunately", I haven't been able to hear Mr Evans on R1, but it sounds as 
if he's just the latest in a long line. Ever since Radio 1 was invented 
(looking forward to the 30th birthday 'celebrations' next year?), its various 
Controllers have consistenly said that they employ their Djs (at least their 
daytime ones) solely as "personalities"[sic]. It has bugger all to do with 
music.

Is Evans actually worse than Mayo, Wright, ..., Edmonds and Blackurn?! Shoot 
the BBC suits instead (OK, as well!)

grahame

    In Evo's defence, the standard of music he plays is a damn sight better
    than the tired old toss of Mayo and Wright, who would never have played
    Black Grape for example and has actively refused to play Micheal 'Jesus
    Christ!' Jackson.
    
    dickies twopennorth.

    I actually like Chris Evans. The music he plays is generally very good,
    the majority of the show is funny and he is not "tired old toss."  He
    might "large' it a bit, - well a lot really - , but I'd prefer that to
    Steve Wright who's breakfast show was about as funny as a funeral.
    
    In the morning (not my fave time of day) he can make me laugh at 6 - 7
    am , so he's doing something right in my book.  As far as his attitude,
    at least he doesn't smarm people, like so many DJ's do.  I'd rather be
    insulted than smarmed...
    
    Andrea
                                                                     

    And another thing..  How come he's got top top bands appearing on his
    roadshow next week - Black Grape, OCS, Shed Seven..  not your average
    Radio 1 roadshow pap.  An improvement.
    
    Andrea

    
    The thing is, I don't give a toss what's going on in London or how bad
    that new show was on TV last night - If I wanted to know either I'd
    move to London and watch all the crap programs on TV myself.
     His chat on the Radio is of a similar content to most evenings in the
    Pub, only you can't get a word in ! A lot of things he comes out with are
    totally wrong - or shall we just say mis-informed - but again, coz he's
    on the radio and you're stuck in your car there's no way of pointing this
    out to the other Radio 1 listeners.
    
    I will agree though that he does have a reasonable taste in music,
    although I suspect it's for the wrong reasons....
    
    I'm just glad someone invented in-car CD players, I put the Radio on as
    I leave home and switch to CD as soon as he starts talking - usually
    before the end of the drive.
    
    Graham
                                                     

    Evans' show has mirrored the influx of what used to be deemed 'indie',
    into the charts and is all the more better for it. His show is without
    doubt the best 'Breakfast Show' that Radio 1 has ever had (although
    perhaps competition has not been too hot) in terms of music played
    and he can be very funny.
    
    I must admit I like the way he has manipulated the tabloids in that
    he only has to say the slightest thing out of line and its' front page
    news the next day. All this appears to do is increase his already
    high-level profile and build up listening figures.
    
    I'd much rather have 'Pub' talk than the "you don't have to be mad to
    work here, but it helps!" type bollocks of his predecessors/peers.
     
    Andy
    

    Just my point , Mr Evan's' music when he does play it is good, I'd just
    like more of it.
    
    	Euan

back to the topic... why has there been no mention of Depeche Mode or
Spandau Ballet??

Stuart

    Spandau Ballet? Come on Grandad. You'll be bemoaning the loss of the BBC
    Home Service Orchestra next.
    
    dickie. ;^) 

    Stuart,
    
    
    I am a little busy training but will simply say Depeche Mode are a
    rather fine combo who have got progressively darker/better since Vince
    left the group. I will not tolerate sentences containing the
    aforementioned DM and the very cr*p Spandau Ballet!!!!
    
    
 			Stretch.

        <<< Note 1359.33 by CHEFS::CROSSA "Nuns! Reverse! Reverse! " >>>
                -< So the singers got a drugs problem......... >-

>    Stuart,
    
    
>    I am a little busy training but will simply say Depeche Mode are a
>    rather fine combo who have got progressively darker/better since Vince
>    left the group. I will not tolerate sentences containing the
>    aforementioned DM and the very cr*p Spandau Ballet!!!!
    
    
> 			Stretch.

   Stretch,

   I suspect what you meant to write was that Depeche Mode are a bunch
   of bandwagon poseurs who were seperated at birth from the "Spands".
   ( Besides which, haven't you replied in the wrong topic ).
 
   Today's contentious issue is REM .... I can't bloody stand them.

   Stuart
   

    I used to love REM, but I thought 'Monster' was taking the p**s.
    
    mikef

    Errr, I still like REM, but for the purposes of this topic I'd like to
    propose Monster and Automatic For The People by REM. Why were they such
    popular albums? Was it because people could understand Stipey on
    Automatic, and Bought Monster on that basis? I have my suspicions
    regarding Out Of Time as well, but I'll let it ride for now.
    
    Balders

    Dire Straits, how can anyone like this tired old KAK?
    
    Mark Knoplfer has the worst guitar sound of all time, virtually
    unlistenable. 
    
    This is music for people who have no discernment and taste. 
    
    I especially loathe "private invetigations" and "twisting by the pool".
    
    Knopfler's vocals are terrible and I bet he's a mate of Phil "Runt"
    Collins.
    
    There is a good case for obliterating any record of this "band" from
    history in a justified Salinist purge.
    
    BTW, the same goes for Simply Sh*te, Eric Claptout (Cream were good
    though), Paul "thumbs down" McCartney, Rod Stewart (OK Python Lee
    Jackson, excepted) and bleeding Madonna (who likes this cr*p?).
    
    Boyzone on the end of a rope!
    
    Guy
    

    Okay then here goes,:
    
    The Fugees
    
    Bjork
    
    The Prodigee (can't spell it it's so rubbish)
    
    Rave music/house music
    
    Shampoo
    
    Elton John
    
    Bon Jovi, that's all for now....
    
    
    Andrea
    
    
    
    
    

    Yes, yes, yes
    
    Big Jobi
    
    I loathe that poodle perm nonsence.
    
    "livin' on a prayer", good grief, what a dreadful song
    
    All Cock Rock must be destroyed.
    
    No more Whitesnake, Poison, Guns'n'soddin'Roses, Cinderella (Ugggh),
    all up against the wall!
    
    Guy

  <<< Note 1359.37 by WOTVAX::DAVIESG "I had too much to dream last night" >>>
                             -< Kill, Kill, Kill >-

>    Dire Straits, how can anyone like this tired old KAK?
    
>    Mark Knoplfer has the worst guitar sound of all time, virtually
>   unlistenable. 
  
        Ease up....my other guitar is a Stratocaster.
     
>    This is music for people who have no discernment and taste. 
 
     Bano on.
   
>   I especially loathe "private invetigations" and "twisting by the pool".
    
>    Knopfler's vocals are terrible and I bet he's a mate of Phil "Runt"
>    Collins.
 
      Nothing to argue with there.
    
   
>    There is a good case for obliterating any record of this "band" from
>    history in a justified Salinist purge.
 
     
>    BTW, the same goes for Simply Sh*te, Eric Claptout (Cream were good
>    though), Paul "thumbs down" McCartney, Rod Stewart (OK Python Lee
>    Jackson, excepted) and bleeding Madonna (who likes this cr*p?).
    
>    Boyzone on the end of a rope!
    
      I find it difficult to find fault with any of that.

     Stuart   

The well-known British tolerance and 'each to his own' isn't exactly rampant 
in this note is it?!

Perhaps I've missed the point of this note, but I don't think you have to 
actually like someone to understand why they're popular. OK, so we may not 
like [select from .-1, .-2, .-n], but it's pretty easy in most cases to work 
out why other people do.

A perfect example is the stadium rock crowd (whether it's cock-rock, or Tina 
Turner/Bryan Adams it doesn't matter) - the "music's" safe, predictable 
(limited chord progressions, up half a tone for the last verse and repeat
chorus etc), but if you like one, you like emall. That's why there are so many 
of them. On the other hand, there's only one The Fall for instance - they just 
don't repeat the same old clich�s.

Sad, but it seems most fans just don't want as much out of music as we 
sophisticates do?!

grahame

    The only reasons I can give for somebody liking the rot that's been
    commented on in here, is either ignorance (they've never heard anything
    good) or they genuniely don't like music.
    
    The first case is easy to explain, its a lifetime of listening to daytime
    radio (BBC or COmmercial). ALong with the constant black propoganda
    against anything remotely challenging, The Fall have certainly suffered
    from this (now, I don't like The Fall, but their music is valid and
    worthy of note), to keep them away from moving out of the "safe" area.
    
    Not liking music, is usually represented by those people with expensive
    sound systems who boast a collection of 10 LPs and 20 CDs, all of which
    you can guess before hand, Dire Straits, Eric Clapton, Simply Sh*te
    etc... They've all brought these because Q gave it 5 stars. Come on,
    you know people like this!
    
    Guy

    Should have added to .-1 the following....
    
    The above reads as extremely arrogant e.g. I like good music no one
    else does; however, I realise for each individual there are only two
    sorts of music that which you like and that which you don't and for
    everyone this is different.
    
    However, this note is for sounding off about those areas of the don't
    like which you really can't find any common ground on.
    
    Doesn't mean I'm right and the people who like it are wrong!
    
    Guy

    The Cranberries.
    
    1) Her voice, it can't be that appealling to the cloth eared.
    2) Her lyrics, surely people can't think she knows what the f she is
    singing about.
    3) Her, what an arrogant witch.
    4) The Band, no personality, or maybe not allowed one?
    
    dickie.
    
    It makes a lot less sense than Spice Girls/Simply Red/Philkins.
    

    
    The Spice Girls
    3T & Michael Jackson
    The Backstreet Boys
    
    Which just so happen to be the top three at the moment.
    I know there are alot of sad people in this country but c'mon.
    
    I'm really struggling to think of a worse top 3, they are all so
    crap.
    
    Kirsty
    

marc Almond ( in any of his incarnations ) ditto Potato Head from 
Bronski Beat and Jimmy "Bloody" Barnes.

Stuart

    Erasure and the Pet Shop Boys
    
    I can't tell the difference between 'em, but I can't understand how
    anyone sould like them, they're dross.
    
    911 on the end of a rope.
    
    East 17 up against the wall.
    
    Guy

    >>                       -< and the s*dding Pet Shop Boys >-
    
    >>marc Almond ( in any of his incarnations ) ditto Potato Head from
    >>Bronski Beat and Jimmy "Bloody" Barnes.
    
    >>Stuart
    
    
      As I am not sure of Mr Barnes' sexuality I am not sure if there is a
    pattern evolving here. 
    
    
    
    			Stretch.

re .49 

       T'aint nothing to do with their sexual orientation...its 'cos I dislike
       the music.


       Stuart

    The Spice Girls. Nuff said.
    
    Goldy.

    Those two old gits who sing Hey Macarena, I mean they are old
    enough to be her dad and they are letching all over the bint in the
    vid.  Why has anyone bought this????????
                               
    Andrea

    Oh Pretenders, how do I hate thee,
    Let me count the ways.
    
    1. Chrissie Hinde, whiny.
    2. Songs, little merit, annoying.
    3. Celebrity fans, inc. Ray Davies (former, I thought, arbiter of good
    taste.)
    4. Everyone seems to like them, 'Brass in pocket', seminal, they say.
    Bollocks, I say.
    
    dickie.