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Conference marvin::uk_music

Title:The UK Music Conference
Notice:Welcome (back) to UK_MUSIC on node MARVIN.
Moderator:RDGENG::CROOK
Created:Mon Mar 28 1988
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1381
Total number of notes:39269

1333.0. "the Beatles Anthology" by CHEFS::CONNELLA () Fri Nov 17 1995 12:48

    I only saw one other Beatles Topic in here, on Vinyl and as there will
    be loads of "in your face stuff" going on in the next couple of months
    I thought we should have a Beatles Anthology Topic..so following on
    from a couple of notes in the TT topic, I've just re-read MOJO and I
    think the "preview" to the new song they are talking about on the
    lennon Imagine video is actually called "real love" which he demo'd
    just before his murder and is infact included in the Imagine soundtrack
    CD..according to Mojo,, the other song - better apparantly- is Free as
    a Bird.. I hope they don't mess around too much with Real Love cause I
    quite like that as it is..
    
    Are there any UK_music Beatles fans..I've been into what seems to be
    the US version of the Beatles Conf but there's not much of interest in
    there.
    
    Andrea
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1333.1CHEFS::FIDDLER_MThe sense of being dulls my mindFri Nov 17 1995 12:5511
    Yup - certainly a fan here...looking forward to the tv series, although
    word on the first episode is thats its pretty much a straightforward
    story with all the interesting/grimy bits removed.  
    
    Have you ever read 'Revolution in the Head' by Ian McDonald?  Its
    recently been published in paperback, and is a good analysis of the
    Beatles song by song.  Its well worth reading....
    
    Revolver is probably my fave album, followed by Abbey Road.  
    
    Mikef
1333.2CHEFS::CONNELLAFri Nov 17 1995 13:0720
    It would be a shame if they "sanitised" the Berlin and Liverpool
    period..but totaly predictable. The mag said following the TV series,
    a full video set containing 6 extra hours of footage would be
    available..maybe that would be a bit more "grimy"...
    
    I haven't read that..the last book I read was a book by Lennons' mate, a
    journalist (can't remember his name) about the last five years of his life
    leading up to his death..don't know how accurate it was but it painted
    a different picture than you would imagine..
    
    
    Fave albums are Magical Mystery Tour (probably cause when I was
    "touring in a band man.." that was the only tape played on the bus, and
    it sort of grew..Revolver -though i don't actually have that one- only
    heard it..and Sgt Pepper which I do own.  I much prefer the later stuff
    or the "drug phase" early Beatles is fun but I couldn't really sit
    down and listen to it..
    
    Andrea
                                                                       
1333.3WOTVAX::STONEGTemperature Drop in Downtime Winterland....Fri Nov 17 1995 15:389
    Count me in too ! My fave's are Revolver, Sgt Pepper and sometimes
    "The White Album"... 
    
    I do like the early 'pop song' stuff too, the new wave of British pop
    bands could certainly learn a thing or two about song writing from
    listening to them - Oasis excepted of course, as they obviously own all
    of the Beatles back catalogue %^;
    
    G.
1333.4CHEFS::CONNELLAMon Nov 20 1995 17:144
    Well I'm off home to tape my Beatles new Vid..missed it on radio this
    morning cause Chris Evans was pratting around and wouldn't play it..
    
    Andrea
1333.5WOTVAX::STONEGTemperature Drop in Downtime Winterland....Mon Nov 20 1995 17:276
    Andrea,
    
    he played it  twice between 8:10 and 9:00 - he didn't even talk over it the
    second time !
    
    G.
1333.6Free as a BirdHANDVG::STEVELIUTue Nov 21 1995 02:509
    
    "Free as a bird" not bad as a song, the video is even more well-done, you
    find a lot of Beatles' stuff to be reminished with.
    
    But I think "Free" more as a monument of them together than anything 
    else. "Free" is sentimental in any sense.
    
    -steve
    
1333.7CHEFS::FIDDLER_MThe sense of being dulls my mindTue Nov 21 1995 09:536
    Is 'Free' the actual single?  Whats the track being aired on ITV at 8pm
    on Thursday?  Is this different?
    
    Missed it anyway...
    
    Mikef 
1333.8I hope the series is a little less *ss kissing !!!CHEFS::CROSSATue Nov 21 1995 10:1512
    The best line amongst the sycophantic drivel falls to Jarvis Cocker.
    Something along the lines of "If it was not for the Beatles pop music
    would not have evolved into what it is today. Now wether that is a good
    thing or a bad thing I cannot say, although you can't blame them for
    Phil Collins !!" Good one Jarvis !! 
    
    As for 'Free as a bird'. Bound to be a huge hit, especially with the
    Reebok(Man Utd) style video. A bit bland for my tastes though. Was this
    the reworked track off the 'Imagine' vid ??
    
    
    				Stretch.
1333.9CHEFS::CONNELLATue Nov 21 1995 12:369
    i don't think it was the  reworked track, that one is called Real Love,
    nice accoustic version on the Imagine soundtrack..saw the vid last
    night and want to watch it again, the song is catching on with me
    now..It's a pity Chris Evans forgets that some people are on a tube to
    work by 7.40 so can't stck around long enough for him to make up his
    mind...Thought last nights programme - now installed on vid was a bit
    of fun and a prelude to the real one.(I hope)  
    
    Andrea
1333.10CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosTue Nov 21 1995 12:453
    One presumes that the Beatles 'taster' last night got better as it went
    along. We stopped watching when Jeffrey Archer turned up on the
    programme...
1333.11"The Beatles Anthology I" albumHANDVG::STEVELIUFri Nov 24 1995 05:5112
    
    Have anyone got the "the Beatles Anthology I"  double-CD pack yet ?
    How many songs there are actually *new* ?  
    
    I was told the opening track on this album is "Free" and there are
    supposed to be 4 new tracks. What are the other new songs ?
    
    -sl
     
    
    
    
1333.12CHEFS::FIDDLER_MThe sense of being dulls my mindFri Nov 24 1995 08:3510
    And where does the 'Real Love' track fit into all this?  Is it new?
    
    I caught some of the video for 'Free' on ToTp last night, cool video! 
    Have any sad people started to list  the Beatle songs that get referred
    to in it?
    
    Mikef
    
    
    
1333.13WOTVAX::STONEGTemperature Drop in Downtime Winterland....Fri Nov 24 1995 09:276
    Strawberry fields, A day in the life, Eleanor Rigby, Paperback writer,
    Penny Lane, Abbey Road (Zebra crossing)....
    
    I'll watch it again at the w/e and try to do a complete list %^/
    
    Mr_Sad
1333.14verysadCHEFS::FIDDLER_MThe sense of being dulls my mindFri Nov 24 1995 09:336
    Also...
    
    Helter Skelter, Mr Kite...was there a barbers store also?  And was
    that van delivering fish and finger pies?   Piggies also!
    
    mikef
1333.15RIOT01::SUMMERFIELDRogues in a nationFri Nov 24 1995 10:013
    Wasn't there a Blue Meany as well?
    
    Balders
1333.16WOTVAX::STONEGTemperature Drop in Downtime Winterland....Fri Nov 24 1995 10:0312
    
    ...not forgetting the Blue Meanie (my favourite bit !), and what I
    think was reference to 'She's leaving home'. Then there was the Sgt.
    Peppers LP cover shot....
    
    Hey, this Video is even better than a 'spot the Grateful Dead track'
    cartoon/collage I was sent a few years ago %^)
    
    How about we have competition to see who can find the most references
    by Crimble ?
    
    G.
1333.17you beat me to it !WOTVAX::STONEGTemperature Drop in Downtime Winterland....Fri Nov 24 1995 10:051
    
1333.18Very sad indeed.CHEFS::DIVERLFri Nov 24 1995 10:064
    
    And an Egg man and She's Leaving Home.
    
    Leonie.
1333.19hmmmCHEFS::FIDDLER_MThe sense of being dulls my mindFri Nov 24 1995 10:093
    Totp only showed some of the vid...where was the eggman?
    
    Mikef
1333.20Hmmm indeed Mr FiddlerCHEFS::DIVERLFri Nov 24 1995 10:228
    
    Can't keep up with all this activity! .18 was supposed to follow
    .15.
    
    Eggman - bit tenuous, but near the beginning there was an Egg van
    and man delivering eggs....
    
    Leonie.
1333.21CHEFS::FIDDLER_MThe sense of being dulls my mindFri Nov 24 1995 10:375
    Ok...my eyesight isn't too good these days.  
    
    Have to try and find the whole thing on video.
    
    Mikef
1333.22This is a good game ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONSausagesFri Nov 24 1995 11:265
    
    	How about Dr Robert on the sign of the Doctors surgery ?
    
    Malc.
    
1333.23Seeing as I haven't seen the videoZUR01::ASHGrahame Ash @RLEFri Nov 24 1995 11:559
Meanwhile, has no-one been brave enough to buy the record? I see you can also 
get it as a triple elpee, for a quid extra (HMV Reading, I think).

Review anyone?

(I've got all the Beatles LPs - well, all the proper ones at least -  so I'm 
not sure I want the Anthology).

grahame
1333.24yWOTVAX::STONEGTemperature Drop in Downtime Winterland....Fri Nov 24 1995 11:598
    grahame,
    
    I think you'll want this one then - as far as I can recall from
    interviews and articles it will have versions of tracks which haven't
    been released before, as well as a some new stuff and some re-working
    of old stuff.
    
    G.
1333.25Get the next one !!!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Fri Nov 24 1995 15:257
    Grahame,
    
    	Remember also, that this is just the first of 3 Anthology CD's. The
    next one is going to be well worth a listen to !!
    
    
    Ian.
1333.26Any single out yet ? HANDVG::STEVELIUMon Nov 27 1995 06:5010
    
    will singles be issued on the new songs ?
    
    I'll definitely like to get the "Free as a bird" single if it will
    be released as a single.
    
    I told you All in .6 that the video on "Free" is cool, men !  Well
    done.
    
    -sl.
1333.27CHEFS::CONNELLAMon Nov 27 1995 08:381
    It's out on the 4th of December..
1333.2865533::WHITEHEADJDo you remember the first time?Mon Nov 27 1995 09:183
    And it won't go straight in at Number 1, will it? Oh no, of course not.

    Jane$cynic
1333.29Sadness personified ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONSausagesMon Nov 27 1995 09:2514
    
    	More song references from the video :
    
    		Help
    		Happy Birthday
    		The Long and Winding Road
    		Lovely Rita
    
    	I'm sure the nurse selling flowers has something to do with it.
    Also the car crash scene. The number on the crashed car in plain view
    is VEE 7. Does this ring a bell with anyone ?
    
    Malc.
    
1333.30CHEFS::FIDDLER_MThe sense of being dulls my mindMon Nov 27 1995 09:388
    RE: Car Crash:
    
    He blew his mind out in a car
    He didn't notice that the lights had changed.
    
    Maybe?
    
    Mikef
1333.31FORTY2::BOYESMy karma ran over my dogmaMon Nov 27 1995 10:053
>   	I'm sure the nurse selling flowers has something to do with it.

"A pretty nurse is selling poppies from a tray" ?
1333.32WOTVAX::STONEGTemperature Drop in Downtime Winterland....Mon Nov 27 1995 10:219
    > he blew his mind out in a car...
    
    that was the 'Day in the life' refernce that I got too...
    
>   	I'm sure the nurse selling flowers has something to do with it.
    
    Penny Lane.
    
    G.
1333.33Anthology II and "Real Love"HANDVG::STEVELIUTue Nov 28 1995 02:4421
    
    Last week I watched Beatles' Anthology I video which included in it
    the "Free as a bird" video. 
    
    Last night I watched Beatles' Anthology II video which included in it
    the "Real Love" video. I have both listened to the original acoustic 
    version of "Real" in the "Imagine" video and this new Beatles' remake,
    both are excellent in their own context but can present a totally different 
    feel and yet keeping its original spirit. 
    
    Really the best video on their history, and particularly those new
    songs are sured Beatles' classic ballads, I don't have any doubt the 
    new songs will go straight to the top !
    
    I will say good-bye to the 90's Rap-talk, and go back to the classic of
    all time.
    
    Next week I will take a look at Anthology III.
    
    -sl.    
                                                  
1333.34CHEFS::FIDDLER_MThe sense of being dulls my mindTue Nov 28 1995 08:399
    Anyone have any opinions on tghe first part of Anthology?  I thought it
    was OK, but a little superficial (I'm a detail hound!), and no dirt...
    What did they get up to in the Hamburg days?  
    
    The Channel 4 doc last night (All you need is cash) was very
    interesting tho I thought.  Wish I could see all of that american film,
    and I wish i could see Magical Mystery tour again.
    
    Mikef
1333.35CHEFS::CONNELLATue Nov 28 1995 08:539
    I thought it skimmed over a lot of issues, especially Hamburg, the
    death of Stuart Sutcliffe and the effect on John, I'm looking forward
    to them explaining the druggie, psychadelic days, their opinions on
    Yoko..and I would have liked to have seen them interviewed together,
    very often you can gage whether someone is talking sense or the truth
    by the reactions of others..still I watched it again last night and I'm
    looking forward to part two...
    
    Andrea
1333.36Up for grabs....CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Tue Nov 28 1995 09:448
    re .34
    
    Mike,
    
    I have Magical Mystery Tour on video if you want to borrow it !!
    
    
    Ian.
1333.37ZUR01::ASHGrahame Ash @RLETue Nov 28 1995 11:235
I finally heard the single this morning - it's a bit of a dirge isn't it? But 
it reminded me that we ALWAYS hated new Beatles singles when they first came 
out - they get to you later. Here's hoping they haven't lost their touch.

g
1333.38BeatlemaniaMILE::JENKINSTue Nov 28 1995 13:3314
    
    re .34
    
    I thought the 'Anthology' prog was pretty tedious, but I guess there
    is now at least one complete generation who never even knew the
    Beatles. It was quite some time ago that I heard a kid say to his
    friend "Did you know Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings".
    
    I thought the 'All you need is ca$h' prog was much better and probably
    much closer to the truth than the glossy Anthology will ever get.
    As for the single, Free as a bird, I think it's cr*p... though I expect 
    with  the amount of hype around it can't fail to get to number 1. 
    
    Richard.
1333.39How is "Anthology" doing in the UK?GRANPA::ARGREGORYTue Dec 05 1995 15:325
    How are "Free as a Bird", "Real Love" and the album doing in England
    in general?  Are any of them high on your record charts and/or being
    played often on the radio?
    
    --Arianne(DEC US)
1333.40Singles out yet ?HANDVG::STEVELIUTue Dec 12 1995 04:197
    
    have the singles released yet ?
    
    Are "Free as a bird" and "Real Love"  on one single disc or separate ?
    
    -sl
    
1333.41CHEFS::CONNELLATue Dec 12 1995 08:104
    Free as a bird has entered the charts at number 2, I thought Real Love
    was the next release but I could be wrong...
    
    Andrea
1333.42Yeah ManCHEFS::CONNELLAMon Dec 18 1995 08:479
    Did anyone see lasts nights installment, what were the yanks on?? 
    Having seen loads of footage of the "Beatle Burnings" it still makes me
    laugh that the whole episode existed, not just in the states but in SA,
    what about England, did anyone raise an eyebrow in this country cause
    it wasn't clear last night??...  Also the final video Hello Goodbye, how
    stoned where they?? We just sat laughing cause it was excellent and I
    can't believe it wasn't commented on at the time..
                                  
    Andrea
1333.43CHEFS::FIDDLER_MThe sense of being dulls my mindMon Dec 18 1995 09:538
    It was interesting to see the 'day in the life' recording film.  And
    yes, they seemed very other wordly during Hello Goodbye....
    
    I've seen all the episodes of the anthology now, and I want more
    detail!!  One hour on the the recording of each song should just do
    it...:-)
    
    mikef
1333.44More detail if you want it.CHEFS::UKARCHIVINGMon Dec 18 1995 10:0211
    Mike,
    
    Get 'Revolution in the Head' which is a fantastic book which goes
    through each Beatles song in order of recording. The detail is
    outstanding and the book is well worth the �9 it costs for the
    paperback.
    
    If you want to look at excerpts from it try looking up the title on
    Alta Vista.
    
    dickie$buy the book.
1333.45CHEFS::FIDDLER_MThe sense of being dulls my mindMon Dec 18 1995 10:089
    re-1
    
    I got the book last Christmas....!
    
    I got the hardback with the better cover also...
    
    sorry!
    
    Mikef
1333.46WOTVAX::STONEGTemperature Drop in Downtime Winterland....Mon Dec 18 1995 10:595
    
    Mike, when the vids of the series come out next year, each episode will
    supposedly have an extra 20 minutes of stuff in it !
    
    g. 
1333.47CHEFS::BARKER_EUmmm...Mon Dec 18 1995 12:1116
    Yeah,
    
    	Last night was the episode I was looking forward to most, as the
    revolver/Sgt. Pepper period is my favourite Beatles stuff.  the lack of
    detail and glossing over of events seems almost unbelievable, it feels
    like it's possible to watch an hour on The Beatles which is almost
    content free. Even with an extra 20 minutes per episode it won't
    improve much unless they are saving all the interesting stuff to
    encourage video sales. 
    	
    	Re:- 'Hello Goodbye' , I was wondering if they were taking the
    mickey out of themselves, obviously naively ignoring the distinct
    possibility that they were out of their boxes at the time !
    
    	Euan
                     
1333.48"Free" hits no.1HANDVC::STEVELIUWed Dec 20 1995 08:477
    
    "Free" gets to no.1 in Asia, pretty firm here.
    
    When can we expect "Real Love" to come out ?
    
    
    
1333.49MILE::JENKINSThu Dec 28 1995 17:457
    
    �    When can we expect "Real Love" to come out ?
    
    
    When they need the money....
    
    Richard.
1333.50ZUR01::ASHGrahame Ash @RLEThu Jan 04 1996 11:4220
Well, I seemed to have got the hang of this hint-dropping thing - thanks, 
mostly, to sending out various notes from here, I got both the CD AND the 
Macdonald book for Christmas! They're incompatible of course, (and all the 
better for that) as the book only talks about the EMI releases which the CD
doesn't have. 

I was surprisingly impressed with Anthology 1. There's very little chat - no 
attempt at reproducing the 'wacky humour'. Most of the outtakes are very 
similar to the final versions, though my favourite bit is an early take of 
"I'll Be Back" (from Hard Day's Night) which John tries to sing in waltz-time, 
fails, so they try it again in 4/4.

The live stuff's suitably raw, and useful to have as most people didn't see 
them live, and those who did certainly didn't hear them! Again, the radio and 
TV recordings are pretty close to the records.

Not sure who I'd recommend it to - probably just the fanatics. Anyone who 
doesn't know what the early fuss was about should get the early albums.

grahame