Conference marvin::uk_music

    
    Barry, when I first read your note, I wondered why you hadn't put it in
    the Hawkwind Topic - then I did DIR/TIT=Hawk, and guess what - this is
    it. Amazing, all these years and no topic ...
    
    Anyway, Hawkwind usually play the Brixton Academy sometime around
    Crimble/New Year - but I've just checked the NME and there's nothing
    advertised, so best keep your ear to the ground I suppose.
    
    Nik Turners Hawkwind, aren't the official Hawkwind BTW - Dave Brock and
    Nik don't get on these days - the live album you have ('The Business
    Trip') is Dave Brock's real Hawkwind, from their recent tour(s).
    
    I saw Nik Turners 'Space Ritual 1994' aka Nik Turners Hawkwind, play at
    Glastonbury this year - sometine around 2am in the morning, in a small
    Marque in the Green Technologies area. They used a PA & lighting rig
    powered completely by Batteries which had been charged by Wind generators
    and Solar Panels during the day. Sort of added to the spirit of the Green
    Field some how, absolutely awesome performance, culminating in an acoustic
    version of Silver Machine on drums and Saxophone after the power finally
    dried up and the PA failed....
    
    If I hear of any gigs between now and New Year, I'll post a note here.
    
    	Graham

    Hi Graham,
    
    Yep, no Hawkwind note until now....well thats one of the world's
    wrongs righted...and for our next trick...Bosnia?
    
    Its a shame Nik Turner and Dave Brock don't get on (I think that is
    putting it mildly) as "You Shouldn't Do That" from RoadHawks album
    ranks as one of my all time favourite Hawkwind "songs". There is a 
    version of this on "The Business Trip" by the way.
    
    I'll keep an ear to the ground and post any news here. Last year
    it wasn't the Academy but the Brixton Fridge that they used. I may call
    up on the off chance.
    
    Cheers,
    Barry.

re tours,

Hawkwind should be doing a short UK tour around March '95ish, and a longer
one sometime around autumn.  Given the 'Wind's previous ability to stick
to schedules, take this with a pinch of salt!

For more Hawkwind info, you can subscribe to the Hawkwind/BOC mailing
list; send Ben Cohen a message at [email protected], and the
mail messages should come rolling in (I should say `flooding', I haven't
looked in my Hawkwind mailbox for a fortnight until today, and there were
over 1200 new messages.  Aargh!)

Chris.

    Thanks for the info although I can't believe most Hawkwind fans could
    get it together to subscribe to an electronic mailing list!

    
    ....hey, it's only taken 7 years for them to get their own topic in
    Uk_music, I'm sure we'll all get around to joining the mailing list one
    day....
    
    Graham_aka_the_all_electric_hippy

the Hawkwind/BOC list members are a pretty groovy lot, much more easy going
than some of the other lists (4ad for example...)  I doubt if we'll see
ol' Dave contributing for some time though, as he apparently regards any
technology that's more sophisticated than a toaster with suspicion (although
any BOC fans may be interested to know that a couple of BOC members appear
occasionally)

Have a psychedelic Christmas, man.

Chris.

    
>>> ol' Dave contributing for some time though, as he apparently regards any
>>> technology that's more sophisticated than a toaster with suspicion (although
    
    ...a bit ironic really, when you consider where all the 'noise' comes
    from !
    
    Graham (must_dig_out_me_afghan_methinks....)
    

    Just in case anyone is interested, the mighty Hawkwind are out on tour
    now.
    I'll be seeing 'em in Lancaster (The Sugarhouse) this Friday (13
    October), if my bike gets me there! And if that falls through I've 
    already got tickets for the Manchester Academy on the following 
    Monday (16 October).
    I would list all the dates, but I only found this conference today so I
    wasn't prepared for sharing this important information!
    Unfortunately I'm off on holiday now (so I can catch these gigs!), but
    if there are any dates later on (like November) I'll try and post them
    in here.
    Last time I saw Hawkwind was in July at the Roch'n'Blues Custom Bike
    show. They were excellent. Much better than in recent years when
    they've toured as a 3-piece, as the band were supplemented by the old
    Tubilah Dog lead guitarist (whose name escapes me) and a lead singer, a
    complete nutter who I'd never seen before. Set included ROBOT, RIGHT TO
    DECIDE, SHOULDN'T DO THAT and DEATHTRAP (Yippie!!!), so these gigs
    should be good. However, if iys back to noodly synth nonsence I'll be
    well annoyed.
    Might put a note in describing the gigs, depends if anyone responds to
    this really!
    
    Guy

    Oh no....someone for Graham to talk to.....
    
    Aren't Hawkwind doing a bit London gig with lots of Megadog activity?
    
    mikef

Glad to hear they've got their act together, I was pretty disappointed
with IITBOTFTBD, although the followup live album was good.  The live
gigs at the time were a bit of an anticlimax compared with the line
up of the early '90s (Brock/Wishart/Davey/Bainbridge/Chadwick/House),
which was also slightly embarrasing for me as the three piece was the
first time I'd managed to drag my sister out to see a decent band play
live!

Last time I heard, the lead singer was one Mr Bastard (real name Tree!)
although I haven't seen them for quite some time now, and have about
2MB of catching up to do on my mailbox for the Hawkwind mailing list!

Chris.

    
    I got the Hawkzine mailshot stuff recently, listing all the tour dates
    and band news, also a mail order list which included an 8-track version
    of an early album ! The Promotional postcard I got a month or so back now
    makes sense, it was to promote the new album - although there was no
    mention of Hawkwind on it, just a picture of some weird alien thing and
    the word 'Alien' - called 'Alien 4' (I think).
    
    I should have been going to see them at Wolverhampton with a busload of
    friends form Leek, but it clashes with the Stoke Beer Festival which I had
    a prior commitment to, so I'll haave to try and catch them later - perhaps
    at the Brixton Academy all-nighter with RDF, amongst others.
    
    I do remember they're playing in Portsmouth after Wolverhampton and
    also the Melkweg in Amsterdam and somewhere in Belgium. Come to think
    of it, a w/e in Amsterdam, seeing the band wouldn't be such a bad idea!
    
    G.

    I know they are doing a 6pm to 6am stint at the Brixton Academy on
    the 21st October but what are the other dates? Are they doing anywhere
    near Reading?
    
    Thanks,
    Barry.

    
    Dates : -
            from the promo Postcard       |  from Hawkzine/Hawknews whateva
    
    12.10.95 Glasgow Barrowlands		        same
    
    13.10.95 Lancaster Ashton Hall 		Lancaster Sugar House
    
    15.10.95 Liverpool Royal Court                      same
    
    16.10.95 Manchester Academy                   	same
    
    18.10.95 Bristol Colston hall		Cardiff St Davids
    
    19.10.95      free                          Bristol Colston Hall
    
    20.10.95 Wolverhampton Civic Hall                   same
    
    21.10.95 London Brixton Academy                     same
    
    23.10.95 Portsmouth Guild Hall                      same
    
    26.10.95      n/a				Bochum Zeche (que ??)
    
    27.10.95	  n/a				Hamburg Markthalle
    
    28.10.95	  n/a				Berlin Marquee
    
    29.10.95	  n/a				Erlangen E Werk (???)
    
    31.10.95	  n/a				Paris Arapho
    
    
     1.11.95	  n/a				Brussells La Luna
    
     2.11.95	  n/a				Amsterdam Melkweg
    
    The Album is called 'Alien 4', with a ltd edition E.P. called 'Area S.4.'
    out as well.
    
    Graham 
    

    
    I've just read the rest of Hawknews :-
    
    Support for the tour are 'Optic Eye' (or is this the light show ?) and
    'Capt. Rizz+ & Tribe' (mini-album 'Manifesto' out on Hawkwinds
    Emergency Broadcast System). 
    
    the all-nighter at Brixton includes 'Porcupine Tree', 'RDF' (feel that
    Bass !), 'Electrik Groove Temple', 'Salt Tank' and 'Sons of Arqa', with
    more to be added.
    
    The tour and album endorse the 'Tibet Support Group' as did the track
    'Tibet is Not China Part 1 & 2' from 'It is the Business of the Future
    to be Dangerous'.
    
    
    Oh, for anyone with an 8-track player, there's a version of the superb
    Bob Calvert album 'Captain lockheed and the Starfighters' available for
    �5 ! dont' ask me why %^)
    
    Graham

    Thanks Graham.

    Seeing as my notes generated such activity I thought I'd put a report
    in on how the gig went.
    
    Didn't make Lancaster as I was up a mountain in Wales instead, so it
    was the Manchester Acadmey, an annex to the University student union
    with bars (probably holds up to 2,500), which hosted my 52nd Hawkwind
    gig.
    I missed Optic Eye (so can't comment on them), but Capt.Rizz were very
    poor, a sort of funky/crusty free festival outfit, but, with no
    standout material.
    Hawkwind were a four piece for this gig, the same line up bar the
    Tubilah Dog guitarist, that I saw at the Rock'n'Blues Custom Bike Show.
    The lead singer is Ron Tree (real name?), and he's an excellent front
    man, the spirit of Nik Turner has infested this man and given Hawkwind
    a much needed boost!
    They opened up with "Deathtrap", followed by "Golden Void", "Wind of
    Change" and "Robot". Then went into a lot of new stuff, presumably off
    this Aliens LP (anyone got any details on this one, like what label,
    distribution, number etc). Finished off with "Lord of Light", which I
    had never seen them do live (made my night), "Silver Machine" and
    "Hashish I Shaba" - brilliant.
    There was the usual selection of dancers, fire-eaters and light show
    with a strange robotic stage prop. So the usual full-on experience,
    they're far more than a rock'n'roll band and remain one of the best
    live acts in the world!
    In case anyone is interested the remaining dates are as follows:-
    
    Tue 17th - CIRENCESTER Corn Exchange
    Wed 18th - CARDIFF St.David's Hall
    Thu 19th - BRISTOL Colston Hall
    Fri 20th - WOLVERHAMPTON Civic Hall (Crap Venue!)
    Sat 21st - LONDON Brixton Academy (Excellent Venue!)
    Mon 23rd - PORTSMOUTH Guild Hall
    Tue 24th - HASTINGS Pier (Excellent Venue!)
    
    If anyone else sees them on this tour I'd be interested to hear what
    you thought of them.
    
    Regards 
    
    Guy 

    re:.16
    
    >>    Fri 20th - WOLVERHAMPTON Civic Hall (Crap Venue!)
    
    Heathen!
    
    
    Chris.
          

    Its one of the best venues around....
    
    mikef

    I'm sure I saw the Smiths there ??!!??
    
    
    I don't know. Those crazy teenage years !!
    
    
    Ian.

    1. Appologies for my uncalled for comment on Wolverhampton Civic Hall,
    it is some years since I saw a gig there, so it could be an excellent
    venue now.
    
    2. How did you know I was a Heathen. Have you been reading my diary?
    
    Guy
    
    P.S. T-Shirts at the gig were �12 each, seemed very expensive for
    Hawkwind. I brought a T-Shirt at the Southampton Mayflower on the Space
    Bandits tour for �5, didn't think inflation was that bad! 

    Apology accepted...
    
    Is there a history of Hawkwind and its offshoots anywhere? (Am I the
    only person in the world to like the Hawklords lp?).  I haven't seen
    them for years...
    
    mikef

>    Is there a history of Hawkwind and its offshoots anywhere? (Am I the

if such a thing existed, it would be, er, large...

>    only person in the world to like the Hawklords lp?).  I haven't seen

I also like it, but, then, I also like `Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music'.

I wish they'd start doing gigs at Cambridge again, it's a bit of a pain
having to go to Brixton to see them play.  Re the vocalist, I *think* that's
his real name, his stage name is (or was) Ron Bastard.

Chris.

    I like the Hawklords lp (and Ep, grey vinyl) too..
    
    That tour was superb, scaffolding towers with searchlights in each
    corner of the stage, Bob Calverts outfits ... just amazing.
    
    Re:- Hawkwind history :- how long have you got ? 
    
    Years ago, Sounds - the music paper - used to do centre page spread family
    trees of bands. I'm not sure, but I think the Hawkwind one was done over
    two weeks coz it was so big (in the late 70's). 
    
    A few bands which spring to mind are Motorhead (Lemmy), Pink Fairies
    (Twink + others), Gong (Tim Blake), Tubilah Dog, Nik Turners Inner City
    Unit/Fabulous All stars/Space Ritual, Huw Llloyd Langton Group, Ginger
    Bakers various bits and pieces..etc, etc
    
    The Band had two drummers in the early daze (as did the Pink Fairies)
    because they nearly always played on the same bill as the 'Fairies. The
    drummers of both bands were the most reliable at turning up for gigs,
    so they usually set up both kits, and both drummers played with both
    bands !
    
    G.
      

They also had two drummers in the mid - late '70s, after Simon King broke
his ribs playing football.  They had to get in a replacement (can't remember
his name), who stayed on when Simon returned.  Sounded quite effective on
tracks like PXR5.

Chris.

    
    the New Album, 'Aliens 4' is released in the 'Emergency Broadcast
    System' label. The catlogue numbers are :-
    
    EBSSCD118 - CD Version
    EBSSLP118 - LP Version
    
    Due to be released on 25th Sept. 1995, though I'm not sure if it was or
    not. 
    
    Vinyl version  has extra track - 'Space Sex' - and is a gatefold, Cd
    version is Digipak with a booklet.

    I've just booked tickets for the Hastings gig on 24th October.
    Is anyone else going from in here? I was going to go to Brixton (and
    I may go still) but I fancied a gig on a pier for some bizarre reason!
    
    Cheers,
    Barry.

    Excellent thanks for the info, is the album actually released under the
    Hawkwind banner? I ask this because I found a "new" Dave Brock solo
    album in a record shop at the end of last week, featuring a track
    called "Bosnia", there was very little information on the sleeve, so
    I'm wondering if the two could be related!
    
    If its under the Hawkwind label it is already out in the shops because
    Dave Brock actually asked the crowd at Monday's gig what they thought
    of the new album! I was bemused at this point 'cause I didn't know
    there was one out!
    
    By the way, the Hawklords LP was what first got me into all things
    Hawkwind, I heard "Only the Dead Dreams of a Cold War Kid" on the Annie
    Nightingale show. Meant a lot at the time! Still a fine record
    especially "25 Years" and "Flying Doctor".
    
    If I get time I'll put in a full discography and roll call for Hawkwind,
    but this would take some compiling!
    
    Pink Fairies drummers were Twink (ex-Tomorrow, Pretty Things and
    Deviants) and Russell Hunter (ex-Deviants). Hawkwind's were initially
    Terry Ollis and Simon King (1972ish) and the Simon King and Alan Powell
    (or Adrian Shaw - my memory's going!), (1977-9). 
    
    Should future references to the Pink Fairies/Deviants/Tomorrow/Pretty
    Things/Inner City Unit etc remain in this conference?
    
    Regards
    
    Guy 

    
    Alien 4 is a Hawkwind album. The Brock album is "his first since 'agents
    of chaos' (1988). It's called 'Strange trips and pipe dreams'. The 13
    track album mixes Brocks distinctive folksy vocals and blues guitar
    with his taste for the electronic wizardry.  Intelligent sampling added
    to this brew, makes the album a perfect cerebral trip which Brock is
    famous for.
    
    For those of you who are bored with today's CD packaging (this must be
    aimed at me folks !) The Emergency Broadcast System have brought out
    yet another imaginative design to satisfy the visual senses."
    
     Quote from the EBS Press release, August 1995.
    
    
    The Pink Fairies/Hawkwind drummers thing, was before either band
    recorded anything - Hawkwind were in fact 'Band X' at the time I think.
    BTW, I'm not quite old enough to know all of this 'first hand' as it
    were, I got the info from an old (as in some time ago) colleague who
    used to see both bands regularly in London Pubs. Of course He could
    have been wrong about the drummers, in that they may have just used
    the same two kits...
    
    BTW. another snippet from the Press release "...Dabe Brock is to
    Hawkwind what George Clinton is to Funkadelic; both are the anchor
    men..."
    
    
    Graham 
    
    
    

    
    HAWKDISC & HAWKNEWS PO BOX 2096 LONDON W12 9ZA
    
    	or sign the list at the merchandise stand at a gig...
    
    Graham

The guy to talk to about the Hawkwind discography and family tree is Mike
at [email protected], who's done extensive research into the subject.
The Hawkwind Codex (xreffed discog) makes interesting, if rather long,
reading!

Chris.

    
    try :-
    
    http://141.211.203.25/boc-l/hawkwind/family-tree
    
    it's not a complete family tree - dates/people/links missing and it ends
    in 1992 - but you'll get the idea %^)
    
    
    Graham

    
    try :-
    
     http://141.211.203.25/boc-l/hawkwind/history
    
    for a history of the band up to 1988.
    
    in fact, if you skip the /history bit you can check out all the other info.
    as well.
    
    G.

    I'm finally back in the office and I've finally brought the album. It's
    a vast improvement on recent efforts and well worth the money (!), even
    if I did have to buy it on CD.
    
    Guy

    
    I haven't got a copy yet, but it _should_ be one of the LP shaped
    packages under the tree %^)
    
    G.

    Does this mean that somebody you know managed to find it on vinyl?
    
    If so where?
    
    Tell me what the covers like, so if its gatefold or fold-out or
    anything special, I can feel really sick!
    
    Guy

    
    Yes, I found it on Vinyl - se an earlier note here about the promo
    literature I was sent. The vinyl version is limited ed. with (from
    memory) one extra track... also a gatefold sleeve with lots of info. I
    haven't examined one in detail, coz the one I saw was in MLM Hanley,
    just as I was about to exmaine my future purchae more closely I was
    dragged from the shop by the SO - presumably coz someones already
    bought it for me %^)
    
    G.

    Curses, the information was there all along and I had obviously read.
    Do I win any prises fro being totally unobservant?
    
    Extra track as well - I do feel sick!
    
    Guy

    advert in this weeks NME...
    
    'Samples', 13 tracks for the proce of a single, includes stuff by
    Hawkwind, Dave Brock, Spacehead, and some others, 74 mins of music...
    
    Out now.
    
    Mikef

Psychedelic, man!  I'll have a copy of that, but I bet I'll end up having to 
order the bloody thing.

Chris.

    Chris, there's a phone number on the advert - 0117 988 3333 - for vital
    distribution. Ltd ed. Cat No. EBSCD119.
    
    I'll try calling them at lunchtime and see if they accept orders
    direct, otherwise I'll get you one from local music emporium if you
    want....
    
    Graham

    
    Chris,
    
    ... I didn't get chance to call vital distribution, but one of the MLM
    branches definitely has a few in - #4.50 I think - would you like me to
    get you one when I get mine ?
    
    Graham

    Any more info on this product, I have seen and heard nothing about it.
    Is it likely to be available in the north-west's music emporiums? If
    you've got copies in record shops near you, what was it filed under?
    
    Guy

    
 >>   Is it likely to be available in the north-west's music emporiums?
    
    It's available in Mike Lloyd Music (MLM) in Hanley,
    Newcastle-Under-Lyme and Wolverhampton....
    
 >>   If you've got copies in record shops near you, what was it filed under?
    
    
    Hawkwind !
    
    
    BTW, I haven't picked up my copy yet, and probably won't do for a
    couple of weeks coz I'm going on holiday, but I could perhaps get you
    one too.
    
    Graham

    I'm also off on holiday for a couple of weeks (from Thursday), so I
    shall make a call on my favourate record shops when I return. Hopefully
    both Picadilly Records, Manchester and Andy's Records, Wigan, should be
    stocking this. If not, I'll probably be taking you up on the kind
    offer!
    
    Cheers
    
    Guy

    Where's Andy's records in Wigan then??
    
    Andrea

    It's just the other side of the covered shopping centre from Central
    Park, if I remember correctly, besides a card shop and hardware centre!
    There is also a WH Smith type record shop in the same street opposite
    the shopping centre (where you can't buy anything decent or on vinyl!).
    
    Does this help!
    
    Guy

    Must be a bit new..the only one I can think of is The Music Zone which
    was on the outdoor market shop bit.  I'll have a look next week when
    i'm home.
    
    Andrea

    Ad in yesterdays press for a new hawkwind live album - 'Live in Space'
    (I think).  Out soonish, recorded last october....
    
    
    mikef
    

    
    Released on 20th May - It was recorded live on the 'Alien 4' tour...
    
    G.

    Listened to Nik Turner's "Past and Future" album last night....really
    good. Sounds like Hawkwind 20 years ago....he really likes to cover the
    Robert Calvert tunes. Apparently he has Del Detmar (or is it Dik Mik)
    on Electric Axe!
    
    Has anybody seen any Nik Turner albums in the shops over here? This one
    was brought over from Hong Kong but I'm told its available in the US.
    
    Also saw Hawkwind at the Guildford Civic Hall on the 23rd June. They
    let me in for free! (always sounds better when its free...) I arrived
    at 9:10pm to be told that the box office was shut and I couldn't get in
    but the bouncers just said walk in....
    
    They have a very good line up with Ron Tree and it was a visual concert
    with the fire-jugglers (who set light to the stage briefly) and the
    erotic dancers..... :) There was also a belly dancer that appeared at
    one stage but she looked like Alan Davey's mum.
    
    Hawkwind are headlining at the Summer Daze festival in Devon on the
    26th July.....I think the current set up is well worth the 10 quid
    entry. Also, they are appearing at the "Free Wheels" festival in
    Carnac, Brittany some time soon. This could be a good festival if it
    set near to the standing stones (Carnac is like a huge Avebury....).
    
    Pass the mushrooms...
    
    Barry.

    Carnac sounds like a blast, its one of my fave places to hang out and
    pretend to be Julian Cope...
    
    mikef

    Barry,
    
    when you say 'over here' do you mean 'over here' in the UK ? if so you
    should be able to get Nik's  stuff just about anywhere, if you can't
    try Mike Lloyd Music in Wolves,Stafford, Newcastle (UL) or Hanley.
    
    G.
    

    Yes, over here in the UK (or Reading to be more exact).
    
    I'll look harder ...
    
    (Don't forget Hawkwind at Langtree Farm in Devon this Saturday.)
    
    Barry.

    
>>>    (Don't forget Hawkwind at Langtree Farm in Devon this Saturday.)
    
    I can feel a 500 mile round trip coming on %^/
    
    G.
    
    BTW, MLM are on 01782 269815 - they will do mail order if you ask
    nicely....
    

    I think there somw stuff on Langtree Farm off http://www.hawkwind.com,
    looks very good. However, the 600 mile round trip doesn't appeal. Lets
    hope they play up north soon!
    
    Last time I was in a record shop I saw Nik Turner's "California
    Brainstorm" double CD set. This has the wonderful DikMik playing on it!
    Should be available everywhere.
    
    groove groove
    
    guy