Conference marvin::uk_music

Yup, KLF is correct, also known as the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu, or JAMs.

>>Does anyone know the title to the song?

Justified and Ancient


>>They are followers of a particular science
>>fiction series that has something to do with "Illuminati".  I can


I suppose you could say that!  :-)

They're all about hype really.


...Art

Thanks very much for the info...

Don't suppose you know anything about the science fiction series, like
the author or title......

Jan

    I thought the majority of the members of KLF were Scottish??
    
    
    Ian.

    Both of them were...Was it Drummond and,errr, someone whose name I
    can't remember.
    
    Dunno about the Illuminati thing tho.  Go check out the singles if you
    can find them, some were very good.  The CD of Justified and Ancient
    has some great stuff on it.
    
    Mikef
    
    

They have (had) a lot of amusing myth associated with them in their songs, videos
and sleeve notes: Robert Anton Wilson's "Illuminatus" may have had someting to
do with it, but things like the ice cream vans were their own innovation.


+Mark+

    Hi,
    
    Justified & Ancient is on "The White Room" album ,which despite all
    the hype is pretty listenable and as .4 says it has a lot of good 
    stuff!...I've certainly had my money's worth out of it!!
    
    Sandie.../

There's a track called Justified and Ancient, but its a different version: the
Tammy Wynette version is Justified and Ancient (All bound for mu-mu land), the
White Room has a male lead vocal.

The version of Last Train to Trans-Central is a lot blander than the single: its
allegedly live but they just sampled the crowd off a Doors album and Rattle and
Hum and used that.

The "Live Version" of "What Time is Love?" is just the single with the first 
verse of "Justified and Ancient" edited to the front.


What I really want is a compilation of the singles videos: there is one out
(with a misleading title and bland jacket) which only seems to contain their
dancy ones: where's "Grim Up North", "Justified and Ancient" and "America, What
Time is Love?" ?


The KLF were last seen in South America engaged in a non-musical project after
"Leaving the record industry" after machine gunning the audience at the Brit 
awards. We may never see their 'Chainsawing the legs off a live elephant'
stage act again. Or at all. Meanwhile, horned prophets service little mu in
a seaweed encrusted cave, as chocolate-covered children beg for crispy wafers
and salvation....

+Mark+

KLF. Bloody brilliant. The recent singles have been the best. You should 
try and acquire "America: what time is love?", "Last train to transcentral",
"Justified and Ancient" and "It's Grim up North" (whose lyrics consist of
reeling off a list of Northern towns against a techno backing!). 

KLF are Billy Cauty and Alex Drummond (I think) and have also recorded under
the names of The Timelords, the Justified Ancients of MuMu and JAMM. They have
a history of media piss-takes, such as threatening to spray the audience with
blood at this year's Brit awards ceremony. However about three weeks ago they
took out a full-page back-cover advert in NME to announce that they were
leaving the music business, would never record under any of their previous
names again, and that all their product was now deleted! So it's possible
that you will now have trouble finding their records in the shops.

I've only really cottoned on to the KLF this year, but their combination of
strangeness, humour and thumping tunes has won me over like nothing else has
done this year so far.


Rod

Thank you so much for the info!  Hype or not, this group sounds interesting.

I'd tried looking for the single they did with Tammy earlier, but 
couldn't find it for a variety of reasons.  Now I wonder if the
stores here (Metropolitan Atlanta) even have it anymore.

I wish you could have seen the faces of the vj's on the TNN show
'Video Morning' when they ran the video of Tammy Wynette singing with
this group.  It was almost as much fun as the video.  They were speechless,
not to mention the fact that you could see their complete eyeball their
eyes were so wide open and bugged out.  I laughed so hard that my
sides hurt.  

Jan-who-really-misses-Quay-Lude

    Bill Drummond (_NOT_ Billy Cauty, as Rod would have it), is founder of
    the KLF, the JAMS, The Justified Ancients of MuMu and The Timelords, 
    and has been in the biz awhile. Started off in Liverpool, managing The
    Crucial Three, then Echo and The Bunnymen. Started Korova Records.
    Close ties with Scott Piering, founder of Rough Trade, who appears on
    the White Room album, and who speaks the long intro to America: What
    Time is Love (In the Year of our Lord, 992..."), and dresses up like a
    fool on the video for same.
    
    The first Justified Ancients of Mu Mu album holds the record for the
    most number of people who have sued for its withdrawal, successfully,
    including Abba, The Fall, John Lydon, Samantha Fox, and a host of
    others. Now extremely rare for this reason. Features, not surprisingly,
    a very old version of Justified and Ancient, entitled "Hey Hey We are
    Not The Monkies"
    
    The KLF managed four top five singles in the UK off the White Room
    album, and had a number one as The Timelords with Doctorin' the Tardis
    back in around 1988, before hitting the top with 3am Eternal, making
    them, oddly, Britain's biggest selling singles band of the nineties (it
    says here).
    
    Although I suspected that their withdarwal from pop might be just a
    selling hype I did notice in the UK at the weekend that their records
    were not on the racks in the UK. However I did see the Justified and
    Ancient and America: What Time Is Love CDs in Migros, Geneva, last
    week, so the withdrawal may not yet be worldwide.
    
    Trivia and more,
    
    Piers
    

    There's a Drummond/Cauty book too, I think. Can't remember exactly, but
    it's called something like "The Manual: How to get a #1 hit". It seems
    to have nearly worked OK for them.
    
    I have a KLF/JAMMs/whatever LP called "1987: What the *!?� is going on"
    which features various of their earlier bits, not including the
    aforementioned ABBA bits, and also has a potted history of these people
    on the sleeve notes. Some of it's not bad.
    
    regards
    john

>  I have a KLF/JAMMs/whatever LP called "1987: What the *!?� is going on"

Lucky person! This was deleted about 2 weeks after release and now sells for 
a fortune if you can find it. I thought one of the tracks was nothing *but*
bits of Abba's "Dancing Queen" edited into a different order. But I could be
wrong, I haven't heard it...

+Mark+

    Hi Mark, ref .11/.12
    
    I'm wrong, you're right, my LP is in fact Shag Times (another memorable
    title). It's a double LP with some highlights taken from 1987 Whatetc.
    I don't know if it's worth anything to anybody. But I like it (even if
    I can't remember what it's called).
    
    Musically it's very varied. Creative ripoffs of Sam Fox (Touch Me),
    Dave Brubeck(?) (Take Five), Sly Stone (Dance to the Music), a bit of
    All You Need Is Love, a lot of Downtown (yes the Petula Clark one),
    some gospel, some pure dance (sides three and four are made up of
    tracks entitled 114BPM, 90BPM, 118BPM, you get the idea). Mostly the
    original writers get credited so presumably they get their share of the
    royalties.
    
    The sleeve notes I mentioned are in fact mainly just snippets from
    KLF/JAMMS/whatever reviews in various comics (NME/Sounds/MM) in the
    period March 87 to April 88. They're actually quite enlightening, or
    Pseud's Corner ish, or both. Here's a bit from MM, 20 Jun 1987,
    reviewing the 1987whatever LP:
    
    "Hiphopping out of Robert Anton Wilson's 'Illuminati',and into
    contemporary music's underaiming wastes, Justified Ancients of Mu Mu
    are a Love and Terror Cult for 1987, slashing NOW MUSIC across its
    flabby stomach and spraying orgiastic slogans across polite living room
    walls. Taking hippety hoppety plagiarism to its absurd conclusion they
    pinch everything and have still managed to come up with the most
    exciting, most original record I've heard in years".
    
    Who writes that drivel ? Are they serious ? Mayeb they're not, just
    like I presume KLF aren't meant to be taken entirely seriously. Though
    I happen to agree with the reviewer that KLF have begged borrowed and
    stolen to make something relatively creative, unlike some of todays top
    10 stuff, which is just a pure ripoff (eg KWS cover of 'please don't
    go' springs to mind as the worst one this week). Actually if you want a
    classic example of total blatant uncreative ripoff that works, I pick
    Robert Palmer's "(You are in my) System", originally by The System? But
    maybe this belongs in the "sampling" topic...
    
    The very last words on the sleeve are "Short Shelf Life Guaranteed".
    
    I guess I'd better stroll on down to my friendly local shop and see
    what they've got left in stock.
    
    bye
    john

    Re>.11
    
    There is a chapter in the book wholly dedicated to the practise of
    retiring from the music business, removing all copies of your records
    from the stores (making them extremely valuable) and then making several
    comebacks. I suspect we have not seen the last of The KLF...Still, it
    hard to criticise when they have been totally honest - can't think of
    any other band that actually announced they're intention to fool the
    public in print beforehand!
    
                                 Cath
    
    
    

    Drummond shouldn't be taken too seriously but then again nor should
    Julian Cope who once wrote a track called "Bill Drummond is dead"
    
    Never the best of friends.
    
    Andy

Who was it who recorded "Julian Cope is Dead" in a thick Scottish accent?

"Julian Cope is dead,
"I shot him in the head,
(etc)
"The Teardrops, weren't they great,
(etc)"

I probably only heard it once but is was so dreadful that the tune and a few words
have stuck.

+Mark+

    I heard that Julian Cope is Dead on John Peel once. I laughed 'til
    I stopped. It would surprise me if it wasn't Bill Drummond. As for
    taking him seriously, why should we? After all, he doesn't...
    
    Piers

    Would I be correct in saying that Bill Drummond used to be in a band
    that included Holly Johnson (Frankie Goes to Hollywood) and Budgie
    (Souxie and the Banshees)? Can't remember the name though.
    
    Ian

    re last
    
    Big In Japan.
    
    Kev...

    And on the "Shores of Lake Placid" album he has a couple of tracks
    under the name "Turquoise Swimming Pools".

    Big in Japan were really good.. I think the female singer died,
    tragically. "Nothing Special" is the song I remember best.

    Dave

On a slighty different note..

Jimmy Cautey painted a Lord Of the Rings (Tolkien) in the 1970s. It's very
good actually.

Mark

	
  Hi. My name is Kiyohiko Nakano from japan. This is the fiest time to reply
foreign notes topic.

I bought the album named "MU" at Virgin megastore in Japan.
This album cobtains "3 A.M. eternal","Justified and Ancient","The last train
to trancentral","America, what time is love ?" and etc.

I like "The last train to trancentral","Justified and Ancient".
I heard The KLF is nominated the Brit awards in 92. True ?

I like the KLF sinceI heard "the last train to trancentral" which included 
"Deep heat #10".

                                            / Kiyohiko (DEC-Japan)

> I heard The KLF is nominated the Brit awards in 92. True ?


They won the best band award and this year's Brits, but that was their last
public appearance before allegedly disbanding, if you don't count the charity
rally they took part in a week later, ostensibly with Jim Cauty driving
the Mu-mobile while under the influence of a dangerous quantity of drugs.

+Mark+

    Anybody see the "K Foundation" ads in the papers a weekend or three ago?
    
    The one I saw was in the weekend Grauniad, not normally a paper I read.
    
    I can't remember the exact details (they're at home and I'm at work)
    but I think it started with "The sands of time are running in". Etc.
    
    It was disguised as an advert for "The K Foundation" rather than KLF,
    but it looked remarkably familiar. 
    
    There was an address to write off to, and being a gullible sort, I sent
    off my SAE, but haven't heard anything yet. 
    
    any other gullible folks out there?
    
    john

    Well for anyone else who might want to know what The K Foundation
    (alias KLF) claim to be about, there's an article in The Face this month.
    
    It's too strange to summarise.
    
    regards
    john

    They're still doing strange things. The K Foundation apparently turned
    up at "In the City" (industry popfest in manchester) last week and
    showed a 67-minute film of them burning one million pounds (somewhere
    in Scotland?).
    
    Ricardo da Force is back on the radio, in the N'trance 1995 version of
    stayin alive. Have the other KLF guys had any music out under assumed
    names in the interim ?
    
    see ya
    jw

    According to a large ad in the papers the other week...this film will
    be shown at selected venues, followed by a question and answer session
    with the two dudes...I guess Bill Drummond isn't dead!
    
    mikef
    
    

    
    Hi all,
    
    just heard on a local (italian !) radio an extract from the
    Bosnian Aid album "Help" :
    
    "The Magnificent" by "One World Orchestra", 
    
    aka the KLF, according to the dj.
    
    Can anyone confirm this ? Any K-whatever new album coming out soon ?
    
    
    
    - Beppe -

    Apparently it was the KLF but should be viewed as one-off.
    
    Stuart

Subject: FW: What are they doing now? Part 1




    UK News Electronic Telegraph Tuesday June 25 1996

    Pop star's sonic boom rocks the neighbours

    By Paul Stokes

    A POP STAR'S experiments with his 25,000-watt home-made sonic gun have
    brought an answering blast from dozens of people living up to two miles
    from his country estate.

    Ray Tucker, 59, and his wife Pat, 52, who keep a herd of cattle and 170
    sheep on their farm near Totnes in Devon, say that the noise drove the
    cows wild and led to the loss of a calf a few days from birth. Mrs
    Tucker said: "When the noise started it was a low howl like an aircraft
    about to crash. Then it stopped and, when it started again, it sounded
    more like a very loud didgeridoo."

    The Tuckers are now planning to ask for compensation for the calf,
    which they say would have been worth #900, and extra vets' bills. Jim
    Cauty is the man behind the acoustic gun. He made a fortune as a member
    of the group KLF with a string of House Music hits in the early 1990s,
    including Doctoring the House and Justified and Ancient.

    Critics - not just Mrs Tucker - have compared percussive, repetitive
    "House" to a giant didgeridoo or the sound of a plane heading for
    certain disaster. Mr Cauty tested his gun to the full for four hours
    last Friday during a party for 10 friends at his home, Knowle House,
    near Broadhempston, Totnes. The tests were accompanied by the firing of
    red flares and came at the end of a fireworks display. Silence
    eventually fell when police called at 1am.

    Mr Cauty, whose arts establishment, the K Foundation, claimed to have
    burnt #1 million as a protest against the "pretensions" of the Turner
    art prize, explained his fascination with sonic guns yesterday. It
    began after he bought two Saracen armoured vehicles at a scrapyard for
    #4,000 and found equipment in them that he thought could have been used
    in sonic warfare. He then began assembling his acoustic gun from
    information he found on the Internet.

    Installing huge amplifiers and special speakers to cope with the very
    low frequencies has cost him tens of thousands of pounds. Initial tests
    were carried out at the Royal Festival Hall and he is now looking at
    new ways to experiment with the contraption without upsetting his
    neighbours. Mr Cauty said: "I am very sorry about any damage or
    inconvenience we have caused, but the Ministry of Defence should not be
    worried because it is all stuff we have rebuilt ourselves. "We are
    trying to find out how far a very low frequency will travel. We know it
    goes a long way and we were seeing if we could reach the radio mast at
    Halwell.

    It seems there has been quite of lot of research in America into
    acoustic weapons and seven Hertz is the level at which they will affect
    humans. "My equipment could not go that low, because it would rip apart
    the speakers. I do not know what the Government know about all this. I
    have seen a reference to a device called a curdler used by the Army for
    riot control in Northern Ireland. "The French once built a device which
    I have seen a picture of and is so big that it had to be mounted on a
    train with the speakers encased in concrete. I moved to Devon six
    months ago for a bit of a rest and this is a project I am taking an
    interest in. I do not see it as music or art."

    He said that he aimed the gun away from homes. It seemed to have no
    effect on sheep and he did not realise that it would disturb cattle. He
    was put in the picture when Mr and Mrs Tucker arrived on his doorstep.
    Mrs Tucker said: "We went round to see Mr Cauty and took the dead calf
    with us in the back of our Land Rover. He said it had been a tremendous
    bash, but then we showed him the calf and told him that is what he had
    done.

    "We had six heifers in calf which started stampeding around their field
    looking for somewhere to get out. If the bull had broken out it would
    have been disastrous, because someone might have been hurt and the
    animal would have had to be shot. "It was too dangerous for my husband
    to stay in the field. He stood by the gate and tried to calm them down.
    The next day two of the heifers went into labour and we lost one of the
    calves."

    The Defence Ministry said it had no knowledge of testing sound weapons
    and the Army Historical Branch had no information. John Bullen, of the
    Imperial War Museum, said: "There was a lot of interest in sound
    between the wars but mainly as a means of detection. The Germans
    experimented with it during the last war. The intention was to cause
    distress to people."

    
    What is this sonic gun supposed to do?  apart from kill cattle that is.
    
    
    
    I.

One thing which started confusing me (ok,ok) round about the time of the �1M 
Turner Prize stunt was - how did a handful of hit records generate all of this 
money? Is it really just from those?

grahame

    
    I think that because the KLF had total control of their music -
    writing, recording, poblishing and copyright  - they effectively got to
    keep a lot more of the proceeds than most bands usually do. They were
    pretty big hits !
    
    G.

    KLF and their wedge...... they were big in other areas of the world so
    royalties etc would be even bigger. 
    
    RE:Low noise emissions - I heard of another band from Norway(?) who had
    an armoured vehicle which had speakers with bass frequencies so low it 
    caused your bowels to release without your permission. Charming! Cauty
    + Co were been seen in this (or very similar) vehicle at various raves
    last year. There was also some band (possibly in the '60s) like the
    Grateful Dead/Pink Floyd kinda thing who seemed to think these tricks
    were a good idea. 
    
    In theory, if you go low enough, the bass will cause the body to
    vibrate at a level that you would turn to a squishy mess inside! Lovely
    for the gig enviroment!!!  
    
    
                      Stretch.

    
    Oh, I don't know, I think it would certainly get the attention of the
    crowd.
    
    
    I.

    
    This is the sort of thing Hawkwind have been playing with since the
    early seventies - as referred to in Sonic Attack, and the band name
    'Sonic Assassins' that they played under for a while. The first time I
    saw them (Nov. 76?) I was up on the balcony in the Viccie hall in
    Hanley before the gig started, even with all the house lights up
    some of the things around me seemed slightly blurred and out of focus.
    It was a few years later that I discovered that they used to set their
    oscillators to frequencies below hearing level - but not low enough to
    do any real damage - and crank up the volume before the show started.
    This had the effect of setting of vibrations in the fictures and
    fittings of the venues they played in, especially the older buildings
    which weren't just concrete and steel.
    
    Tangarine Dream were another band who also did similar tricks.
    
    Graham$now_Where_did_I_put_My_afghan?

    Thanks to Graham 'theres nothing new' Stone.   Did you ever see that
    rare archive footage from 1932 of Lightning 'slim belly' Anderson
    performing his original blues version, on banjo and harmonica, of
    'Tales from Topographic Oceans'?
    
    
    Oh Soon..
    ohh woooh yeah
    Oh Soon the light...
    My Celestial Goddess of light done gone left me
    ohhhhh yeaaahhh
    
    mikef

Loveit Mike! (You'll be ready for a lie-down now?)

grahame

    Grahame,
    >> some of the things around me seemed slightly blurred and out of
    focus.
    
    
      And you reckon it was sonically induced? Yeah, we believe you!
    
    
    
            		Stretch.

    
    ...well, I was only fifteen - that's why I was on the balcony, I
    wasn't tall enough to see anything if I stood in the crowd doqwnstairs.
    
    BTW, opening act were Motorhead, doing what I think was their first
    official gig - Lemmy's from Burslem just a couple of miles away, and of
    course you all knew he used to play Bass in Hawkind, and took the name
    Motorhead from the Hawkwind track of the same name, didn't you %^)
    
    G.

    How have we corrupted the KLF note with all this Hawkwind stuff!?!?!?!?
    
    
    
    			Stretch.

    I'm sure the KLF would approve...
    
    m