Conference marvin::uk_music

    Re-1
    
    uhhhhmmmmnnnoo....Niall,i agree anduh that U2 thingy can be added too.
    
    Jan.

    Niall,
    	
    	If I swapped your best list with your worst list  it'll be almost 
    perfect.
    	
    	Chris.
    

     I figured there'd be a lot of that . Just remember I've got the critics
    on my side and not just sales figures.
    
                Niall
    

    The critics? And since when has their opinion counted for anything
    other than a good laugh?
    
    Phil Gill

    
    The not-yet-released-but-it-will-be tribute to Freddie Album!
    
    Mark

    
    I guess that depends if you read NME or Kerrang
    
    	Chris

    
    You're supposed to be reading that RDB manual! :^)
    
    Mark

    
    Is that the Return of the Doobie Brothers?
    
    Chris
    

    Yes, I agree with the opinions on the Elton/Taupin tribute thingy...
    
    ...and Kate Bush's renditions on it show her up for I've always
    suspected she was -- not the BEST female singer there ever was, etc.
    
    Of course, the new Phil Coll... sorry, Genesis LP ought to get a
    mention in this note
    
    Terry B.
    

    The reason I didn't include the "Genesis"  L.P. in .0 was 'cos I'd only
    heard three tracks . Of course they stink as do all the tracks of
    Michael "the circus freak" Jackson's L.P. that I've heard.
     BTW Kate has released "rocket man" as the new single .It's backed by
    "Candle in the Wind" (God help us). I an avid Kate Fan but I think this
    is a mistake.
    
                     Niall

    Rubbish. The Genesis album is perfectly ok.
    
    	- andy

    
    OK. The Genesis album is perfectly Rubbish.
    
    Trevor

    All depends what you like, right? Actually the 2nd track "Talking to
    Jesus" is great 'cos it takes the piss out of american televangelists.
    
    (DTDD last night too)
    
    	- andy

    dunno about lp's, why listen to a whole album if it's crap but answer me 
    this -
    
    what is it about Memphis that inspires (?) such truly dreadful songs?
    

    Elvis' memory.

.14�    dunno about lp's, why listen to a whole album if it's crap 
    
    Well, if you want an opinion of your own (as opposed to one you're told
    to have by magazines/radio/VAX Notes conferences) you don't have any
    choice.

   >> Elvis' memory.
    
    Please, no blasphemy. Elvis may have been guilty of a lot of dross, and
    those movies are unforgivable, but listen to The Sun Sessions and all
    is forgiven (almost).
    
    Phil
    

    re .14 
    
     One doesn't actually KNOW if an L.P. is crap unless one has listened
    to it at LEAST once. Of course ne can have a pretty good idea from the
    singles etc. 
     
     I've thought of another piece of excruciating SH*TE to add to my list
    from .0
     
           "Spartacus" by the Farm. 
    Thay have one song -"Groovy Train" which is very good . The rest of the
    L.P. is full of what amount to different "laddish" terrace anthem
    versions of said song . It's quite offensive after two listens.
    
                 Niall
     

    If I hear anything, ever ever again, off the last lp by Dire Straits I
    shall be most unhappy. it may not be the worst of 91, but I can't think
    of another that has annoyed me so much. Why is this?
    
    
    Bob

    
    Don't know Bob,
    
    But if it's any help, I feel this way about ALL Dire Straits output.
    (I also know why, Mark Knobfiller can't sing to save his life!).
    
    Mark
    

    Because they're smug bastards, that's why.
    
    	- andy

    Can you say "smug" in here???
    
    JJ.

   What is an l.p.s?

    
    Is what you used to be able to buy albums on before Smiths invented
    CDs!
    
    Mark

    Re .23
    
    Is this a serious question ? If so I must be getting old.
    
    Roy

    I'm sorry but now that I've heard more of it I really have to place
    "DANGEROUS" by Michael Jackson in here as an absolute stinker. God but
    he must miss Quincy Jones. "Heal the World" is the most enormous piece
    of sugar coated sh*ite I've heard all year . It really is puke
    inducing. Honestly Enya sounds like Metallica after this.
     Mabye he should go off to the circus and be a clown or in a freak show
    or something.
    
                Niall
    

    
    re. all about Dire Straits.
    
    Apart from the two yet released singles,"On every street" is one of my
    favourites for this year, and it's getting even better, whenever I hear
    it. But I loved the "Notting Hill Billies" as well, so I might be lost
    anyway...
    btw. life would be SOO boring without such contrary opinions.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Olaf.
    
    
    I hardly dare say that I liked the Tom Petty CD as well...

    DULLLLLLLLL (their muzak). Anyway the Dire Straits L.P. has proved to
    be THE biggest sales dissapointment of 1991 so far . Only peaking at
    no.12 in the states!!! It may have got to no.1 in the U.K. but only for
    1 week and it's barely in the top 40 right now . Even some of the yups
    are smart enough to leave this dog alone.
    
     As for the Tom Petty L.P. , it's so limp it'd make a dog laugh.
    
               Niall
    

    I've only heard one song (the single) off Bryan Adams' LP, and on the
    strength of that I nominate it for the very worst of 1991. Even if the
    rest of the album were Cocteaus Twins songs it would still be the worst
    of 1991, just for having a Bryan Adams song on it.
    
    Piers

    You must have heard more than one track (well it's actually different
    versions of two songs, his fast one and his slow one.). He's already
    released three singles so far this year and the best bit is that the
    last one stiffed!!
     One would think that the neighbours would beat the sh*te out of him
    for waking them up with such a poor Def Leppard imitation . (ooh what
    icons to imitate !??) . Thanks to this man I'm going to open up a worst
    singles note!
    
                 Niall
    

    RE: Dire Straits "On Every Street"
    
    OK, so it was only at No.1 here in the UK for 1 week, and only topped
    at No.14 in the States. It was always going to be hard to follow
    Brothers In Arms wasn't it? But who cares how long it was up there?
    Certainly not me. 
    
    I bought it because I happen to like Dire Straits. I appreciate
    opinions and of course everyone is entitled to one, but why can't we
    restrict them to quality of music rather than how well they do in the
    charts? Many LP's voted as best in here didn't even do well in the
    Indie charts never mind in the mainstream charts. But then, for an
    Indie to do well in the mainstream charts automatically means a
    sell-out doesn't it?
    
    Who cares about what everyone else thinks.....like what YOU like.
    
    Rant over.
    
    Dale.

    The point about sales talk (and that was no.12 in the states) was that
    a lot of Dire Straits fans (and they do have a large fan base) aren't
    all that interested in the L.P.. The marketing budget for this L.P.
    was huge . They even took out a mini-booklet (in conjunction with
    Philips) in Q mag (hence the ONLY good review). The L.P. was hugely 
    exposed and initally quite a few people went out to buy it. However 
    everyone (nearly) seems  more than a  little underwhelmed by the
    listening experience and thus there are a huge no. of unsold copies
    still on the shelves (especially in the U.S.) . On top of it selling
    badly the music is APPALLING and that's why I called it such a
    dissapointment.
    
      As per some of the L.P.s in the Best L.P's note not selling very
    well, almost none of those  acts have anything like the commercial
    backing that Dire Straits got. This means a lot less exposure and less
    bulk offers to distributers and chain shops. Radio play has to be
    bought in the states (it's not offical, just the way they do business)
    and UK radio play is got by "sweetening" DJ's .Most of these acts can't
    afford to do this and Dire Straits can.
      Also a lot of the acts mentioned are conciously trying to do
    something different , push back barriers or generally do things a whole
    lot better e.g. My Bloody Valentine, The Pixies , Kraftwerk and are
    known as innovators. They don't write Sh*tty songs about Memphis. 
    Because of this they tend to attract a more demanding type of listener
    as opposed to the kind who listen to Rod Stewart and are the general
    targets of music-by-market-research pop.
    
      Personally I don't care how the DIRE Straits  L.P. did. It's just
    that a lot of people seem to be voting  with their feet on this one in
    light of all the exposure and marketing that's gone on.
    
                 Niall
    

You could also say that a band like Dire Straits are going to be judged
much more on their album sales than any Indie group because their present
fame arises out of previous massive sales which the industry is longing for
them to repeat. Let's face it, record company bosses don't give a toss for
anything as abstract as musical quality; they just want to see units shifted.
Dire Straits have done that in the past. If they don't do it now and in the
future they will be seen as having failed.

I only ever liked "Sultans of Swing" meself of course.


Rod

    I've only mentionned Mr. Adams Sir All-round-nice-guy-hero twice in
    this note. Genesis and Dire Straits have been given a much harder time
    in here. My note of .30 was a reply to  Piers (I think) . 
     I certainly dont have a complex about the man as you seem to think.
    This is a note set up to discuss what people think to be the worst
    music of the year and thus anyone is entitled to slag a artist off. I
    have NEVER slagged any of the noters off unlike Ms. from -.1 . If you
    want to start a personal abuse-to-noters note then go ahead . I don't
    mind your liking Bryan Adam's (if indeed you do) but that belongs in a
    different note. 
    
         Niall (who never wanted to lie on Bryan Adams in the first place)
    
             

    That Bryan Adams, he makes me sick. Dire Straits may be able to play,
    but jeesh, are they boring. And if I ever hear another Genesis album it
    will be once too often.
    
    

    Thank you.
    

    On the bus home from Dublin last night we were subjected to the "new"
    christmas L.p./rip-off from Cliffie. God but it's some of the most
    obnoxious stuff I've ever heard around Christmas time. This l.p. is
    truly offensive. Stay well away from it. I'm not even going to tell you
    the name so you can't buy it. If ever there was a case for censorship
    this release is it. NWA are only trotting after this in terms of its
    offensiveness.
    
                  Niall
     

    Jeez, can you imagine what this would be like if Bruce Sturrock
    was still here? We seem to be in the throes of an "Indie" gang
    attack? Help!
    
    Custer.
    
    

        Here's another excrutiating piece of cr*ap. "Michael Crawford sings
       the music of Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd-Webber". This album really
       STINKS! I listened to half the first track and it made me puke. 

        Rice and Webber are absolute sh*ite, and Michael Crawford's singing
       is really offensive. This album should be renamed "Michael Crawford
       sings a load of fu*king rubbish". I wish I'd never bought it.

       Iann.

    funking rubbish??
    
    He wouldn't know funk if it bit 'im.
    
    
    Bob

    RE. 40
    
    Ian, just exactly WHY did you buy it???  :')
    
    julia

    God but .40 made me (& every dog I know) laugh. Just please tell me you
    got it as a present from an enemy and didn't buy it yourself.
     I think .42  asked quite a pertenent question. Did you actually think
    you could possibly enjoy a collection of that sort? At least the worst
    stuff I heard this year was all stuff I borrowed.
    
                Niall
     

    Iann,
    
    With such a great enthusiasm, I think you owe us a full-blown
    review of the album. We may not have the chance to hear it
    ourselves (let alone the wish to buy it). Maybe it grows on you... ;^)
    H

   � Maybe it grows on you... ;^)

    If it ever does, I'll have myself committed. 
    
    I'm a bit disappointed that everyone has seen fit to slag me off buying
    this record, we're all entitled to experiment.
    
    Iann.

    We simply asked you why you bought it . Anyway wouldn't you snigger if
    you found that someone had bought as  big a dog as that in the
    expectation that it would be O.K. ?
     I don't think anyone's laughing at you , just the way you presented
    your first reply (all the language) was quite entertaining.
          Niall
    

    Niall,
    
    You might almost say 'inspired'.
    
    Iann.

>         <<< Note 941.33 by RUTILE::MACFADYEN "Stop, look, listen!" >>>

>You could also say that a band like Dire Straits are going to be judged
>much more on their album sales than any Indie group because their present
>fame arises out of previous massive sales which the industry is longing for
>them to repeat. Let's face it, record company bosses don't give a toss for

FYI - "On every street" has sold six million copies in nine weeks.

Craig

    Six million have been shipped to the shops. It has NOT actually sold
    anything like that number. Also the the beginning of an l.p.'s chart
    life is nearly always the most lucrative. No one actually said it was a
    flop , just a huge dissapointment.
    
                Niall