Conference marvin::uk_music

    This was the decade that also saw the likes of Ken Dodd, Engelbert
    Dumpertruck and Harry Secombe having no. 1 smasheroos.
    
    Also, we had to put up with the likes of Herman's Gits, Freddie and the
    Gits (remember 'Do The Freddie', etc?), Billy J Kramer and the Gits,
    DaveDeeDozyBeakyMick&Git etc, etc, etc.
    
    Mind you, they knew how to write a song with a decent tune in them
    days.
    
    Bob

    Obviously no too many old'uns in today, Tim - compare the response here
    to the 80's tosh note elsewhere.
    
    Bob

    Then there's always Kenneth Williams as Rambling Sid Rumpo. And don't
    forget Bernard Cribbins with 'Hole in the Ground' or something like
    that. And wasn't Rolf Harris active musically in the 60s.
    
    Oh yes, and then there is the Seekers - I think they were doing their
    stuff then. Brilliant dross, all of it...
    
    Balders _born_in_1965_but_remembers_his_parent's_record_collection_

    60's tosh...
    
    Anyone remember when Top of the Pops had the girl putting the record on 
    while Pete Murray in a white polo neck sweater gave a stunning 
    introduction to a wimp smoothie like Crispian St. Peters? No, neither
    do I.

    Did you know...
    
    During the '60s, the BBC did not allow groups to mime to their own
    recordings of their singles. Instead they had to go into the BBC's
    studio, and spend a maximum of 3 hours re-creating the recording so as
    to be able to mime to that instead.
    
    Which was all a waste of time anyway, because they then used to swap
    the tapes over at the last minute so that they would be miming to
    something which sounded more like what the public were actually buying.
    
    Source: Bruce Welsh's autobiography, "Rock 'n' Roll I Gave You the Best
    Years Of My Life"
    
    
    Dave Hazel

    Hey, let's not forget the 1910 Fruitgum Company and Esther & Abi Ofarim
    as well. Or classics like "A Walk In The Black Forest" by Horst Jankowski
    and his oom-pah band.

    �Paul�

    My own favourite bit of old tat from the age of innocent kitsch just
    has to be the 'Excerpt From a Teenage Opera'.
    
    All together now.....
    
    Grocer Jack, Grocer Jack etc.
    
    
    Bob

Wasn't Jonathan King (him of the contrversial word and the stupid smile) 
doing some remarkable songs in the sixties?

Paul

>>    Re .- a few
>>    Then there's always Kenneth Williams as Rambling Sid Rumpo. 

	Was that the character who sang "Green Grow my Nadgers - Oh!"

	Great opening lines ...

	"I'll give you one - oh"
	"Oh no you won't, you know !"


	I had a whole album of that somewhere ....  probably thrown out
	by now    ;(
	

		Paul

   Well,

   Andy Pandy had two goldfish called Tish and Tosh.

   ... and we know a song about that, don't we children?


   Two little fishies, 
   Splish! Splash! Splosh!
   This one's Tish,
   And that one's Tosh!
   

   Dave 



   Time to go home.... 

   Time to go home.... 

    
    Yes, all that AND the Beatles, Stones, Who, etc etc etc. Whatever, you
    can't accuse the 60s of not producing a wide spectrum of music!
    
    Actually, its only in recent years that I've managed to discard the
    stigma attached to some of the names mentioned thus far and appreciate
    some of the songs they did. My current 'fave' (as they used to say,
    stress, THEY)  is the Carnival is Over (Seekers). A truly majestic song
    and, I suspect, there's a brilliant instrumental rendition to be done
    by someone. Clean Fender sound moving to really overdriven sound for
    the middle bit and a Gary Moore 2 minute fade out. The imagination is
    running riot here!
    
    Actually Carnival is Over is a traditional Russian (I think) tune not a
    (Springfield/Potger/Woodley) tune or whoever its accredited to.
    
    Richard

    >> The Carnival is Over (Seekers)

    I can't remember the `Gary Moore' bit. I should listen again (it's
    about 20 years since I heard it!) I've heard a cover version by Nick
    Cave. The song is `majestic' I agree. It's bordering on tosh though
    isn't it ? -;)

    - Tim
    

    I am of a divided opinion about the Springfields' "Island of Dreams". I
    have a suspicion that it is tosh, but then again it also has Dusty's
    soaring vocals.
    
    I have no such doubts about Kathy Kirby.
    
    Bob

    What about all that blummen 5th Dimension-type stuff, eh? 'Age Of
    Aquarius', 'Would You Like To Fly In my Beautiful Balloon?', etc. This
    second one rates almost as high for TQ as - Tim's personal fave,
    'Honey', and is at least as bad as anything Queen ever did.
    
    Bob

    Was it in 60's or the 70's when we were blessed with the singing
    postman from Norfolk and a nun singing a song which only had the line
    Dominique in it ??
    
    Oh and yeah, the Wurzels !!, God bless ther cotton socks !!
    
    R
    

Well the singing nun was the -early- sixties (I don't think I'd even
started school then, so say around '63). If I remember correctly, it
had far more words than "Domonique" in it, but they were all french
(which didn't make much sense to this four-year-old).

The singing postman? You've got me there, Rich..

Keith

    The wife came up with the title of the song last night..
    
    Something like, 'Have you got a light boy ?..
    
    I heard it only Radio 2 t'other night.
    
    Fond memories !!
    
    Rich
    
    

   Anyone remember Pinky & Perky, the singing rubber pigs?

    how could I ever forget them, along with the Chipmunks?
    
    Bob

    RE: P&P - I have one of their albums which is a sort of greatest
    hits of 1968, featuring such classics as Yellow Submarine, When
    I'm 64, Yummy Yummy Yummy (better than the original by Ohio Express).
    Also the LP weighs an absolute ton.   Does anyone else have this or
    other P&P records ???
    
    Ray
    

    I've got one - With the immortal classic 'Long haired lover from
    Liverpool' on it....

    I've got one too!  My Pinky & Perky L.P. is the only record I've ever
    used the 16 2/3rds speed on my record player for. At that speed, you
    can hear their normal voices.
    
    Who remembers record players with 16 2/3rds? Has anyone ever seen a
    record that actually plays at that speed??
    
    Ian.

.24�    Who remembers record players with 16 2/3rds? 
    
    Well Keith does for one. You used to be able to get, I think, things
    like "language records" on 16rpm..

    Wasn't "I Was Born Under a Wandrin' Star" done at 16 rpm? It always
    sounded like it was being played at that speed, at any rate.
    
    Dave Hazel

 I think My Dad has a record at 16rpm somewhere, its Shakespeare or something.
 I seem to remember its slightly bigger than 12", also, and won't fit on
 some turntables because the tonearm mounting gets in the way.

 Dave

    
    If a record comes with 16rpm and a larger size then 12", there must be
    a lot of space for music or anything else. More than 1 hour each side,
    I think. But it seems as the sound quality wasn't as good as for
    33rpm's.
    
    I do remember that I have had a record which came out with 78rpm. Does
    anyone remember those old fashioned records?
    
    |PETER|_now_with_500rpm_on_CD
    

  The first record I ever "owned" was on 78rpm, in multi-coloured vinyl too.
  I still have it, I think the date on it is 1962. 
 
  "How much is that doggy in the window?" - The Cricketone Orchestra & Chorus

  My first album I no longer have. It was "Camberwick Green" by Peter the
  Postman and Windy Miller.

    As well as P&P, I also have a Magic Roundabout single and a Sooty
    and Sweep album.  I'm sure I also have a Trumpton LP in my collection
    somewhere.   This stuff beats Kylie Monologue any day ...
    
    Ray

    YO!  The Trumpton LP - I also have this, as well as the Magic
    ROundabout album (from the film The Blue Cat), and a great lp with a
    Thunderbirds story one side and Captain Scarlet the other.  I used to
    have some Johnny Morris singles, but i don't know where they went.
    
    Mikef

   Not records, but I have Magic Roundabout, Trumpton and Camberwick
   Green videos!

   Jane.

    One more proud owner of the Camberwick Green LP here. Amazing how these
    have lasted.  I used to have quite a few 78's, but no longer have any
    means of playing them. Amongst my collection was one of the set of
    "Sparky's Magic Piano", "The Death Watch Beetle" by Arthur Askey
    and "A Personal Demontration Course in Modern Syncopation" which I
    bought at a jumble sale when I was 12, because I thought it might be
    smutty!
    
    Sorry, this should have gone in the 40's Tosh topic.  :-)
    
    Ian.

    Gosh, I still have a few 78s also, although I hasten to add that they
    were brought by my parents, not me!  These include Witch Doctor, and
    Purple People Eater, although I can't remember who did them.
    
    More tosh - does anyone have any of the compilation lps from the
    60s/70s, such as Top of the Pops, Twenty tops, etc?  These were chart
    hits covered by session musicians, but sounded just like the real
    thing.  Usually had a scantily clad young lady on the cover, and could
    be bought cheaply from Woolies.
    
    Mikef
    
     

    
    My Dad's got loads of these Top of the Pops albums. They were usually
    pretty cheap and did, as you say, sound very much like the originals.
    
    I wonder why no-one does them these days?
    
    Mark

    I've got one of the TOTP albums - they did one each year with a
    calendar of a bimbo in it. The stuff on it was all originals (but
    alas, they were still crud) - the one I've got had 'seasons in the 
    sun' and 'tiger feet' on it, mind you, as a saving grace, it did have
    'kung fu fighting' on it.

    I suspect that the reason these Top of the Pops covers of originals are
    no longer made is that we now have the likes of Kylie and Jason doing
    the same job.
    
    I've got a Cliff and The Shadows EP with music from the film
    "Thunderbirds Are Go!" in which they appeared as puppets. A kind of
    early version of Neighbours.
    
    
    Dave Hazel

    I happened upon a second hand record shop opposite Toulon railway
    station (don't ask), and they had almost the entire collection of
    TOTP records from the 70s (10FF = 1pound each).   I couldn't resist
    getting the one from 1973 with covers of "Help me make it through
    the night" (murdered), "Twentieth Century Boy", "Tie a Yellow Ribbon"
    and "Doctor My Eyes" (one of my favourite Jackson5 records, written
    by Jackson Browne - this version has to be heard to be believed).
    The LP cover has a picture of a woman bent over a snooker table,
    with someone standing behind her, appearing to be about to put a
    snooker cue up her bottom ... enough said I think ...
    
    Ray
       

    You don't have to go as far as Toulon to find s/h TOTP records. Any
    charity shop in Britain is liable to have a cardboard box containing
    several old TOTP records, complete with covers of blondes in knitted
    bikinis, along with things like the BeeGees, Osmonds and Shakatak. But
    I did get a 12" of the Smiths "Boy with a thorn in his side" for 50p at
    a charity shop.
    
    
    Rod

    I have a Thunderbirds / Captain Scarlet album
    
      In some ways better than the episodes.
    
    
    Kenny

    
>   I have a Thunderbirds / Captain Scarlet album
    
    Was this filed in the "string" section in the record shop, I wonder?
    
    Dave Hazel

    Those were the days!

What?  42 replies to this note and no mention of Mrs. Miller and her excellent
rendition of A Lover's Concerto?  (A true classic in its original Toys version)

Paul

    Any other votes for that classic song "Macarthur Park"? 

    Someone left the cake out in the rain
    And I don't think that I can take it
    Because it took so long to bake it
    And I'll never have that recipe again

    Pur-lease! And howzabout the definitive flower power anthem all the way
    from Stockport - "Let's Go To San Francisco" by The Flowerpot Men? (yes, 
    another entry from the Edison Lighthouse/First Class team).

    Let's go
    To San Francisco
    Where the flowers grow
    So very high 

    High? Know what I mean? What a bunch of subversives; they were lucky to 
    get that played on Radio 1...

    �Paul�

    Flowerpot men did you say ? Sounds dodgy already.

    Does "Build me up Buttercup" by the Temptations count as `tosh' ?

    So difficult when you have to make up your own mind...

    - Tim
    

    You're judging these songs out of context. After all, a "Commodore Pet"
    is a no-no as a pc today, but it was good in its time. Ditto these
    songs..
    
    K.

    My policy on this is if I like the song I don't care if it's labelled
    `tosh/rubbish' etc  or not. + I like the Temptations song.A large part
    of this is nostalgia I'm sure.

    And I also like "Daydream Believer" by the Monkees. (See, I'll admit to
    anything.)

    - Tim
    

    Sticking to tosh I love:
    
    My college band, the Continental Op, liked "Downtown" enough to do a
    rousing wall-of-distortion cover.  Of course then EVERYone started
    doing it.  (We also worshipped Tommy James, but he's too brilliant to
    be toshed.)
    
    "Silence is Golden", best known in the version by the Tremoloes, has
    got lyrics worthy of Elvis Costello.
    
    Way way once in a while I listen to Dusty Springfield's "Breakfast in
    Bed" and feel embarrassed and queasy and oddly moved like when I was
    6 years old looking at "Playboy".
    
    Retched

    Lock the kids up!  Rage discovered the UK_Music conference!  #%-}

    Actually I've been in URK_Music before just to toss stinkbombs and run,
    me being such an misangle and all. But since that foin lad o' Erin
    OCONNOR told me he'd settled here, I figured that maybe things had
    picked up. And they have, relatively. 
    
    Ray

    Ee-gads! TimO got me readin' WORLD_FORUM!  What next?
    
    -Vicki