Conference marvin::uk_music

I haven't heard it yet but a reliable source who's usually poking his head
around here but is on vacation has said its Julian's best solo effort yet!

Ed

    I've heard most of the CD (there's a DJ here who's been playing
    the whole album throughout her show for the last few weeks) and
    it is unmistakably his best.  The CD is supposed to be the longest
    playing non-classical CD ever made; this should make up for Morrissey's
    shortest CD ever made ;-}  
    
    The album hasn't been released yet in the US (due out in May), so
    I really can't give any specifics.  I'm just glad Diedre O'Donaghue,
    who has the ability to play whatever she wants, loves the new album.
    
    -Vicki (Julian_Cope_is_God_fanclub)

    
    re.821.2
    
    I have just noticed I spelt Julian wrong, sorry about that.
    I Have been told the album   is out here in Scotland, so I am
    going to buy it at the weekend.
    Did you like the" teardrop explodes"?  Reward was a great single by 
    them, but when julian went solo" trampoline "is his best song todate.
    Do you know if the album or cassete is as long as the CD?
    
    
    
                                         Gav
     

    
    His new album is very good, I was quite surprised because I've never
    been a real Cope fan over the years.  Beautiful Love isn't very typical
    of the album though, he's doing some dates soon, two at each venue, the
    sets differing widely.
    
    Tim
    ---

    I think the vinyl album is a double, so presumably you miss none of the
    CD tracks.
    
    
    Rod

    
    Just go out and buy this album....nuff said.
    
    Mikef
    
    PS - I think the CD is 76.50 minutes long, but I'm sure the Eurythmics
    Greatest hits is 77.20 minutes long?                             
    
    PPS - spot the pedant with a new CD player.

    >PS - I think the CD is 76.50 minutes long, but I'm sure the Eurythmics
    >Greatest hits is 77.20 minutes long?
     
    Maybe whoever first made that statement (record company) meant
    non-greatest hits, non-classical CDs.  Makes sense to me.
    
    -Vicki

    ahhh, non greatest hits.  The Cope lp is so good that it almost is a
    'best of'...;-)
    
    Mikef

What's the name of the new album?

Also, has anyone heard about a 2nd Teardrop Explodes "outtakes" album (not
"Everyone Wants to Shag...")? I saw it in Tower in NYC a few months ago but
haven't seen it since.

Ed

    Peggy Suicide is the lp title.
    
    There is another Teardrops comp called Piano, made up of early singles
    and Bsides, from their first label.  Got average reviews.
    
    Mikef

    
    Hope to buy his new C.D. this weekend. Has anyone ever heard of a
    compilation album released by Zoo records? It includes The Teardrop
    Explodes, the Bunnymen, the Turquoise Swimming Pools, Cope himself and
    other lesser known artists around Liverpool at the time?  The album is
    called "To The Shores of Lake Placid" and is well worth getting a hold
    of. It also contains the song "Books" but it is sung by McCulloch and
    Cope this time.
    
     Has anybody any views on his second solo effort, "Fried" ? 
     Does anyone know which Teardrop "B-sides" are on the "Piano" album and
     how to get a hold of a copy?
    
    p.s. For those that didn't know, there's a Teardrops/Cope video out
    called "Copeulation" with nearly all his vids on it.
    
    By the way, I can't get "Bouncing Babies" by the Teardrop Expoldes
    anywhere? ................   

    My favourite Bunnymen track is off of "To The Shores of Lake Placid"..
    Its called "Villiers Terrace".
    
    >>By the way, I can't get "Bouncing Babies" by the Teardrop Expoldes
    >> anywhere? ................   

    Didn't someone release a record called "You can't get Bouncing Babies by
    the Teardrop Explodes anymore"... 

    D���

    re .12, I think it was just called "I Can't Get Bouncing Babies By The
    Teardrop Explodes" and it was by The Freshies ("I'm In Love With The 
    Girl On A Certain Manchester Megastore Checkout Desk") alias Chris Sievey
    aka Timperley's finest, Frank Sidebottom.

    �Paul�

    Bouncing Babies is on one of the Teardrop Explodes reissues, I'm sure,
    and also as a B-side to one of the weaker 12" singles of the day. And
    also as a rarish 7" which I probably have somewhere but not to hand. I
    know I have at least three recordings of it.
    
    Mumble mumble.
    
    Piers

    Its on Kilmanjaro, but the 7" is a different mix.

    D���

    I've got Kilimanjaro - I'm at DP if anyone wants to borrow it.
    
    Kate

    re: "Fried" question (.11)
    
    Buy it.  It's fantastic.  "Sunspots" is one of the best songs he's
    ever written.  Totally psychedelic rock `n' roll.  
    
    -Vicki

>    Hope to buy his new C.D. this weekend. Has anyone ever heard of a
>    compilation album released by Zoo records? It includes The Teardrop
>    Explodes, the Bunnymen, the Turquoise Swimming Pools, Cope himself and
>    other lesser known artists around Liverpool at the time?  The album is
>    called "To The Shores of Lake Placid" and is well worth getting a hold
>    of. It also contains the song "Books" but it is sung by McCulloch and
>    Cope this time.
    
I've heard of it but never had the sense to buy it when I saw it.

>     Has anybody any views on his second solo effort, "Fried" ? 

Mostly a waste IMHO. "World Shut Your Mouth" was 1,000's of times better.

>     Does anyone know which Teardrop "B-sides" are on the "Piano" album and
>     how to get a hold of a copy?
    
If "Piano"  is  the "new" Teardrops compilations ("Shag" being the old one),
I've seen it at Tower Records in NYC (village), so I'd try Tower London. I
think it had "Bouncing Babies" on it. The US LP/CD has it. Not sure how it
compares with the single version though. Early US copies of the CD on SKY 
CLAD records don't have BB either.

>    p.s. For those that didn't know, there's a Teardrops/Cope video out
>    called "Copeulation" with nearly all his vids on it.

I know, I know, but its the wrong video format!

Ed

    Ed-
    
    Thanks for totally contradicting me.  
    
    -Vicki
    
    PS Don't listen to Ed, go buy "Fried."

                                                
     I bought "Fried" when it was first released and had conflicting views
    on this album. It has three or four good songs on it, the best being
    "Me Singing". I also like "Bill Drummond Said" and "Holy Love". At
    first I thought, well this is really imaginative, but after seeing
    him waddle about with a Turtle shell on his back and reading some the
    interviews he gave at this time I was a bit dubious about his
    character. When I found out he was a little spaced out at the time, all
    was forgiven.
     Anyway I like the album although its definately not his best.
    
    P.S. If anyone remembers Troy Tate who was a member of the Teardrop
    Explodes when the "Wilder" album was made; he released a couple of good
    solo albums - [ Ticket to the Dark & Liberty... ] and they are both
    excellent. I'm not sure if he's released anymore but would be
    interested to hear if he has.
                                    Stewart

    
    Re .20
    
    I've got a Troy Tate album at home. His voice is not unlike Leonhard
    Cohen (sp?), but a lot more tuneful.
    
    I can't remember which album I've got, but it contains a track about
    men in Grey coats and blue coats and guns of opposite colours. It
    doesn't often get played, but I have it on a tape in the car and
    occasionally I dig it out and remember what a good album it is! 
    
    Mark
    
    PS Of course, I might be thinking of someone else! :^)

    Re: "Lake Placid"

    The sleeve notes say this was the first of a "trilogy". Does anyone know
    what happened to the other 2 parts, if anything?
 
    D���

Sorry for the contradictions Vicki, the only things I found worthwhile to
record from "Fried" were "Me Singing" (because it fit at the end of the
tape) and "Bill Drummond Said". Did you get the poster with your copy?
Sheesh! "Reynard the Fox", give me a break!!!!

Wow, I had never heard of Troy Tate, thanks for the pointer. The Trouser
Press Record Guide (its coming Christophe) says of Troy:

Ticket to the Dark (Sire) 1984
Liberty (Sire) 1985

Armed with an impressive r�sum� (Shake, The Teardrop Explodes, Fashion),
singer guitarist Troy Tate released his first solo album in 1984. Working
with various musicians from his past associations (including ex-Teardrop
David Balfe), Tate uses his attractively husky voice and substantial
songwritting skill, as well as deft sound effects and complex arrangements,
to put across ten melodic songs that approach modern pop from several
different directions. The most memorable tracks on "Ticket to the Dark" are
"Safety Net", "Love Is...", and "Thomas", but virtually all are worth
hearing. An exceptionally good record.

"Fried" is summed up as "A fine, disturbing and bewildering document of a
man on the edge".

Ed

    
    I must have Ticket to the Dark as I recognise the title 'Thomas'.
    
    Mark

    Ed-
    
    Yes, I have the poster too.  Since it kept getting moved from one
    location to the next when I was in college, it's pretty shredded
    now and stuffed away in a closet somewhere. 
    
    I happen to love the song "Reynard the Fox," especially when he
    did it live at the Club Lingerie (tiny dive in HWD) a few years ago.
    
    Do you have Bill Drummond's album with the song "Julian Cope is
    Dead" on it?  I saw it several times, but for some reason never
    bought it ($$$?).  I regret that now.  I heard the Jazz Butcher do one
    of Bill's songs and it was really good.
    
    Anyway, I think the newest album is Julian's best, I just wish it
    were released here!  And I can't wait till JC plays live on SNAP
    this summer.
    
    -Vicki
                   

I've never seen or heard the Bill Drummond stuff. Wish I had though.

Vicki, do you have Skellington and Droolian and do you like that stuff as
well? The scale that puts Fried to a 10 puts those around 3.

Ed

    Ed-
    
    No, I've never heard of Sk. & Dr.  If you rate it a 3, then I assume
    you really can't stand it.
    
    Bill's album came out in the early mid-80's.  I don't know if he's
    done anymore stuff since then.  He was once Julian's manager so
    maybe he just manages people.
    
    -Vicki

    Isn't Bill part of the KLF (ahahah)
    
    Mikef

    That's what I thought as well Mike, maybe its another Bill Drummond
    =;*)
    
    Tim
    ---

    No, it's the same Bill Drummond, I heard him on the radio a few weeks
    ago talking about those three enfants terrible of the Liverpool pop
    scene aka Copey, Maccy and Wylieey.
    
    Bob

    I'm off to see drools tonight in Mosely Dance Centre, Brum
    maybe he'll be good, maybe

    Bill Drummond was one of "Big In Japan"... so was Holly from FGTH.

Vicki I don't have Dr. or Sk. based on the reviews I read...no WAY!

For those who were looking for 'Bouncing Babies', a Zoo records compilation
was released at the end of last year (easily available I suppose). 

Contents :

CAGE 001   BIG IN JAPAN: 'From Y to Z and never again' EP            Nov 78
           Nothing Special/Cindy And The Barbi Dolls/Suicide A Go Go/Taxi
CAGE 002   THOSE NAUGHTY LUMPS: Iggy Pop's Jacket/Pure and Innocent  Jan 79
CAGE 003   THE TEARDROP EXPLODES: Sleeping Gas/Camera Camera         Feb 79
CAGE 004   ECHO AND THE BUNNYMEN: The Pictures On My Wall            Mar 79
CAGE 005   THE TEARDROP EXPLODES: Bouncing Babies                    May 79
CAGE 006   LORI AND THE CHAMELEONS: Touch/Love On The Ganges         Aug 79
CAGE 007   EXPELAIRES: Too See You/Frequency                         Mar 80
CAGE 008   THE TEARDROP EXPLODES: Treason/Books                      Mar 80
CAGE 009   THE WILD SWANS: Revolutionary Spirit/God Forbid           Feb 82

+ BIG IN JAPAN : Society For Cutting Up Men
  from the compilation LP: 'To The Shores Of Lake Placid' ZOOFOUR    Jan 82

Christophe.

    The Cope shows which were cancelled in Novemeber have been rescheduled
    for January, plus some new dates.  I have the list somewhere if anyone
    would like them.
    
    The Arch Drude also got dumped by Island, who claimed he was too old
    and uncommercial, after releasing his two best albums!  
    
    Me, I'm leaning upwards at 45 degrees.
    
    Mikef (ps - the reviews of the shows that did happen were very good
    indeed)

    >The Arch Drude also got dumped by Island, who claimed he was too old
    >and uncommercial, after releasing his two best albums!
    
    Typical.   Gee, if Island put in maybe an ounce of promotion, maybe his
    last record would've sold more.  The album was pure genius and the
    record company blew it big time.  That sucks.
    
    -Vicki

    >   <<< Note 821.36 by SWAM2::BERZER_VI "DECdesigner Extraordinare" >>>
    >                               -< big Cope fan >-
    >
    >>The Arch Drude also got dumped by Island, who claimed he was too old
    >>and uncommercial, after releasing his two best albums!
    >
    >Typical.   Gee, if Island put in maybe an ounce of promotion, maybe his   
    >last record would've sold more.  The album was pure genius and the
    >record company blew it big time.  That sucks.
    >   -Vicki
    
    Hmmm... and Island is also U2's record label.  And they sued
    Negativland and SST Records over the Negativland _U2_ release which
    parodies "I Still Haven't found What I'm Looking For" and hapened to be
    released with "U2" in much larger letters than "Negativland"...
    
    Well, what has Island done *right*?  anything?
    
    
    
    

    
    The new Julian lp - Autogeddon - is out, and is quite good, but doesn't
    have any real pop gems on it.  Probably more for Copeheads rather than
    new disciples.  his book - Head On - is also out, and is the first part
    of his autobiog, covering the years up until the end of the Teardrops.
    
    Copey is doing signing sessions at the Virgin Megastore in Manchester
    this friday, 11.00 until 12.30, and at Virgin in Reading on Monday,
    11.30 until 1.00pm.
    
    I might try and drive into Manchester on friday, though I wouldn't have
    a clue where to go...
    
    Mikef

    
    
    Julian was on last nights TOTP, doing a song from the album. 
    
    Very strange!
    
    Steve.
    

    bummer!  missed it!!!  aaahhhghghghghghghgghhhh
    
    etc
    
    Mikef

    You certainly did miss "something"?
    
    I thought he was absolutley crap - but did get a laugh at his mohican
    gear,head included.
    
    			God that program is sooooooooo bad.
    
    
    
    						Stuart

    I used to be a huge Cope fan, but after last night, I'm afraid, Jules -
    you've lost it!  Totally.  He's threatened to wig out many a time
    before but has always managed to convince us that he's still on THIS
    side of sanity.  But I'm not so sure anymore.
    
    I feel as though I'm sounding like my mother when I say this, but what
    was he wearing?!?  And the hair... oh dear.  
    
    A sad loss.
    
    Debs.
    
         

    I'm sad I missed this. He hasn't lost it on the new lp (not nearly as
    badly as he did on Fried anyway).  I hope to meet him next monday if I
    can get into Reading, I'll ask him about the hair.
    
    What song did he actually perform?  I cant imagine any track on the lp
    being an instant single.
    
    I still love him.
    
    Mikef 

    
    Archdrude on TOTP, what next?!
    
    Is Autogeddon a 'pure' Cope album or is it a collaboration?
    
    I remember reading last year (?) that he was embarking on a
    joint-effort that would be 'different' from his usual output.
    
    Is this it or have I missed that and this is now the 'genuine article'?
    
    Is this the third in the 'Peggy Suicide' trilogy or merely a filler?
    
    Still, back in London att the weekend; will pick up a copy and see for
    meself.
    
    Confused,
    
    Steve.

    Autogeddon is pure Cope (believe me...).  He may be putting out another
    mail order instrumental album, similar to Rite (on which he
    collaborated with Donald Ross Skinner).  Its not part of the
    Skellington scheme of things.  Possibly.
    
    Get the book also - Head on.  
    
    Mikef

Re: 43

'Gotta Walk'

    
    Re.: .45
    
    That explains it.
    
    I think.
    
    
    Steve.
    

    Hmmm - yes, it does explain it.  unless it doesn't.
    
    Now where's me turtle shell...
                                 
    Mikef 

'Autogeddon' is the third of the 'Peggy Suicide' trilogy according to the
Select I bought this morning which also helpfully explained that Peggy was 
about environmentalism, Jehovahkill was about religion, and that Autogeddon
takes its name from the Heathcote Williams poem of the same name and subject,
the destruction caused by the internal combustion engine.

Oh yea, and didn't Cope look admirably bonkers on TOTP?! The perfect act to
annoy mums and dads all over Britain. Respect is due to TOTP for showing this
(I couldn't agree less with the previous noter about TOTP being crap). That
said, I did prefer Cope in his leather rock god phase. At least those songs
kicked ass... (omigod, who let Beavis and Butthead in here).


Rod

    
    It was strange seeing him on TOTP.
    
    I found myself thinking "What does he think he looks like?", until I
    realised that that was exactly what my mom would have been thinking!
    
    The song was forgettable, nothing special.
    

    
    Julian Cope is signing copies of his new album/book in the Virgin mega 
    store in Reading today. I popped in lunchtime, he's one strange
    character....
    
    Neil 

    Just met the drude and chatted, he did a couple of acoustic numbers and
    stuck his tongue in my ear.  What a hero.
    
    Mikef

    >Just met the drude and chatted, he did a couple of acoustic numbers
    >and stuck his tongue in my ear.  What a hero.
    
    I'm totally jealous now!
    
    -Vicki_Copehead

    
    Has anyone read JC's book ?   Is it any good ?  What's it about ? etc...
    
    
    Mark

    >Has anyone read JC's book ?   Is it any good ?  What's it about ? etc...
    
    Can't believe the guy would ever write a book that was minimally
    comprehensible ;-)
    
    Incidentally, I haven't heard his latest album either. Is he continuing
    in the vein of his last 2/3 (i.e. more techno-based) or can we hold out 
    hopes of him returning to the 60s pop direction of "World Shut Your
    Mouth" and "Fried"?
    
    Weird guy, but wheh he gets it right (e.g. "Strasbourg") he's tough to
    beat.
    
    Dom 

    The book  - Head On - is very interesting, and written in his style...
    well worth getting if you are interested in Julian/Teardrops/early 80s
    late 70s Liverpool scene.
    
    20 Mothers - 20 short(ish) songs, bit of a step back to more
    straightforward tunes, and is a little hit n miss.  Some of the trax
    are sheer genius, but some are like Skellington outtakes.  Buy it tho,
    coz on the whole its very good.
    
    I'm off to see the Drude in action on Wednesday evening in
    Wolverhampton, and maybe London the week after.  I was hanging out in
    Avebury last week, but he wasn't around (tho there were whole load of
    wierdy beardies celebrating the Autumn solstice).  
    
    awl right
    
    mikef

   Cope tonight!    I'm toying with the ides of making some wings out of
    newspaper...
    
    mikef

    Mike,
    
    Have you started on the Loopy Juices already?
    
    Stuart

    Mikey,
    
    If you come via Barnsley, I can supply a brightly coloured skull cap
    with shiney mirrored bits around the edge. Also some bright yellow
    batique pantaloons, a selection of tie-dye t-shirts and some boots.
    
    Balders

    The Archdrude was on good form Wednesday eve....
    
    He always seems to be determined to have as much of a good time as the
    audience.  Right from the beginning he was chatting with the audience
    and generally sending himself up.  He did a three hour set, with an
    acoustic sess in the middle.  
    
    Anyone who knows the Civic Hall will remember the posters up around the
    place saying 'no stage diving', only one person ignored this...the
    drude himself.  'Gotta Walk' was when he first launched himself, the
    chorus becoming 'gotta wa-umph' as he was turned upside down and his
    legs flailed around in the air.  Happily bopping at the front near the
    end of the show, I looked up in the middle of 'World shut your mouth'
    to see Copey flying down towards me.  We kind of caught him...
    
    He did a few old songs - Books, Bill Drummond is dead, Reward,
    Passionate Friend, and a cool version of Sleeping Gas which was dragged
    out a bit coz he decided to climb up into the balcony and go running
    around upstairs.  
    
    
    iT was a cool fun evening, the sort of show when everyone leaves
    grinning.  Try and catch him on this tour if you can.
    
    Mikef

    Return of the Drude...
    
    julian is plaing a couple of Acoustic gigs - In Feb at the Sheperds
    Bush Empire, supported by Ozric Tentaqcles, and in March at the Pyramid
    Centre in portsmouth.
    
    
    Mikef
    

I don't suppose he's visiting Yorkshire by chance?

Balders

PS The Drude and the Ozrics sounds brilliant.

    Not planned at the moment, although I will probably fax a bunch of such
    questions over to him soon.  
    
    Mikef

    
    What's the date of the Shepherds Bush gig ? I'd go just to see the
    Ozrics !
    
    G.

    Err...sunday something or other, like Feb 12th or thereabouts?  soon
    anyways.  I'm well tempted, but I'm a bit vague...I'll prob go to
    Portsmouth coz I'm too lazy to go into London.
    
    Mikef

    Copey is playing a solo(ish) gig in Portsmouth on March 22nd, somewhere
    called the Pyramid centre.  Can't remember who the support is, a female
    singer I think.
    
    Looks like its gonna be another evening of - One hour to drive to
    Portsmouth, one hour driving in circles around Portsmouth wondering
    where the hell I am, and getting to the gig just in time...
    
    ho de him.
    
    mikef

Nah, it's easy to find the Pyramid Centre. Into Portsmouth on the M275,
at the Roundabout at the end, go straight on, then right at the next
roundabout, straight over the next, straight on at the wacky junction
with lots of traffic lights (right is Historic Ships, left is the City 
Centre), the second exit at big gyratory type thingey, straight over
next roundabout, straight over the one after that, left at the amusment
arcade then along the seafront to the pyramid centre. Easy really.

Balders

    eh?  the first roundabout I come to only lets me go right or left I
    thought?  
    
    I'll probably just wibble as usual.
    
    mikef

Nah, the first roundabout is at the end of the M275. You can only go left
or straight on. If you go straight on, there's a garage and cinema on the
right, then you come to another roundabout. At this one you can only go
left or right.

Balders

    I am resplendent in my Julian Cope T shirt today.  I'm positively
    fluorescing.
    
    m

    So you get to dress down/up on Fridays?
    
    
    			Stretch.

    Yup - fridays are dressing up days.  
    
    m
    
    Hey hey I'm a wheel barrow man...