Conference marvin::uk_music

   Blooming awful, but hooray for Depeche Mode and the Cure.  Anyone notice
   the effort that it took the very shy Robert Smith to make his speech.
   Brave boy!

   Jane.

    
    	I thought that the bit where that went..."and the winner of the
    best international female singer is Sinead O'Connor. Well folks, as
    you've probably guessed, Sinead can't be with us here tonight, she's
    actually in USA. So here's a tribute to that great country she's in
    from one of her fellow nominees."--------over to a video of Whitney
    Houston singing the `Star Spangled Banner'...was hilarious.
    
    	Good one Johnathon King.

    Brits 91 ??

    The words "legitimate target" come to mind...

    I suppose I'd better put this in -------------------> -;)

    Nimrod

    I thought doing that to Sinead was disgusting.  It was also untrue -
    Sinead is in Ireland at the moment, and couldn't make it, not in
    America.  I think King should be given a seriously good kicking.
    
    As for the rest of it - it says little to me about my life.
    
    Mikef

    
    cont 
    
    Ha What A Joke...
    
    1. Staus Quo were given an award for being all round nice boys, working
       for charities and being kind to animals, sod the fact that they play
       Sun City.
    
    2. Almost all of the nominations for best male vocalist were over 40,
       that's really the cutting edge of rock and roll.
    
    3. They cut Lisa Stansfield's "wouldn't it be nice if the war ended"
       speech, very revolutionary that was, might have started a riot. =8*)
    
    4. They cut the fact Elton John said he was going to AA
    
    5. The "You can dance to rock" section but they almost totally ignored
       dance music, the biggest thing to happen in 1990.
    
    6. Half the videos were shown with the wrong songs.
    
    I could go on forever, the only redeeming points were that Depeche Mode
    won the best single, although it was given the shortest spot of the
    night, this was voted for by the people that count, the record buying
    public, and secondly that the Cure won best group.
    
    Tim
    ---  

    I agree totally Mike, it was a cheap joke at someone who couldn't
    answer back.  
    
    So Johnathon King's favourite group is Carter, there's a kiss of death 
    if there ever was one and I don't believe it for a moment, why doesn't 
    he go back to boring old American AOR and leave us all alone.
    
    Tim
    ---

    Which videos were shown with the wrong songs??
    
    Mikef shows how closely I was watching...
    
    PS I actually watched this over the last couple of years in the vain
    hope of a repeat of the Fleetwood/Fox mess, which I missed, am I to be
    thwarted?

    re "doing that to Sinead was disgusting"
    
    I thought giving her the damn award in the first place was disgusting.
    
    If it hadn't been for a poor cover of a brilliant Prince track, few
    people would even know who she is. The only award she deserves is
    "Best International Female Mouthpiece". 
    
    But , everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
    
    Saving grace for me was Depeche Mode winning something AT LAST ! and
    Talk-Talk actually being nominees.
    
    K.

I seem to remember an article in the music rags a while back stating that ole
Skin'ead O Connor refused to play some concert in the states because they (the
stadiums owners) wanted to play the star spangled banner before the gig.
Apparently a lot of places were doing this since they started herding their boys
off to fight them evil A-rabs.  My guess was that they played the SSB to placate
our American brethren when it comes to selling `brits' product.

That ugly scene aside, the rest of the show was just plain embarassing.  The
`Dancing to Rock n Roll' choreographed bit was a cringing reminder of Pans
People.  And what was that music regions in England* Rubbish?  Jonathon King
should be publicly hanged is he really was responsible for that programme.

Lee

* A small island in Europe

    Missed it. Don't give a hoot. I know what I like and don't care if they
    win prizes anyway.
    
    Bob
    
    p.s. Seeing as Carter are King's fave band (I wouldn't have ever known
    this without you wunnerful people in notes land), I'm obviously not hip
    enough; who wants to buy my CD of 101 Damnations?

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.  That was crap!  Though I'm glad DM one best single.
    but it would have been nice if they have played video's for the top 5
    or something.
    
    
    matty
    
    ps.  Betty Boo does have nice legs.

    >> ps. Betty Boo does have nice legs.
    
    So do I. Does this mean I could win a Brit award next year?
    
    Bob

    I turned the TV on in time to see the Cure perform, and thought they were
    excellent. Can't comment on the rest of the programme.

    Its significant that the Cure should win an award now... considering they 
    sounded pretty much the same six years ago... it just goes to show how much
    standards have fallen.

    D���

    Re Standards have fallen
    
    I don't agree I just think more people have come round to their music.
    
    Tim
    ---

    
    
    re: .9
    
    >I seem to remember an article in the music rags a while back stating
    >that ole Skin'ead O Connor refused to play some concert in the states 
    >because they (the stadiums owners) wanted to play the star spangled
    >banner before the gig.  Apparently a lot of places were doing this 
    >since they started herding their boys off to fight them evil A-rabs.  
    >My guess was that they played the SSB to placate our American brethren 
    >when it comes to selling `brits' product.
    
     Just to set the record straight...This incident happened
    last spring, before the Gulf crisis happened.  She refused to have the 
    National Anthem played before her show because she was making a 
    statement about the censorship issue, which at the time, was 
    the big news in the US.  
    
    They didn't stop her from performing (you know, this is America and 
    $$$ is the most important thing to a "real" patriot,) they just 
    bad-mouthed her afterwards.  *Note:  I've never heard of any other
    rock concert playing the National Anthem before the show and neither
    had anyone else. (i.e. this is not a common occurance.)  Hey, remember
    when rock n roll was anti-establishment??
    
    -Vicki

    I nominate Bob Green for the Betty Boo lookalike award.  Will anyone
    second that? ;-)
    
    
    matty

    Bob sounds a bit like Boo, that'll do foe me, never seen his legs
    though.
    
    Tim
    --- =8*)

    seemed to be a lot of hype over a very ordinary event...
    
    I only caught the last bit where the Cure performed 'live' and thought
    they played a very ordinary song. Still old Bob looks the same......
    why didnt they play 'Killing an Arab' ?????   :*)  :*)
    Does this mean that the Cure are a pop band ??
    Will I have to hide all my Cure LP's ???  (one has ones cred to think
    of ,after all !!)
    Paul
    

    Re .8 - I'm not a Sinead fan either (I am a Prince fan), but I still
    think it was a mean act.
    
    I'm amazed that The Cure won best band, and that Talk Talk were
    nominated.  I really like both bands, but neither can claim to have set
    the artistic world alight inthe last 12 months, and Talk Talk have
    never been in the major league.  They just seemed like odd choices. 
    Matbe they had to be included to calm down their labels?  i thinkI
    agree with Bob, I'm going back to avoiding these shows.  I know what
    I'm allowed to like...;-) (sorry Leonie!!)
    
    
    
    Mikef
    
    Ps Why can't Ihave a hair cut like robert Smith?

    >> Why can't I have a haircut like Robert Smith?
    
    You have to have hair to start with, that's why.
    
    
    Who nominates the bands and artistes for the Brits, anyway? Do the BBC
    have anything to do with it? If so, this would explain why Talk Talk
    were nominated - they've long been faves down at the Beeb.
    
    Bob

    p.s. sorry about the cheap jibe, Mike.

    
    I'm not...I'm quite happy for you to insult him on my behalf!!
    Leonie.

I thought the nominations all came from inside the biz - much like the Oscars 
and the others. Maybe that would explain it - it'd be interesting to see how 
the nominations were split between record companies. And the Cure's and Talk 
Talk's companies must be delighted at the money they made last year compared 
to the amount of new music they produced! (Not that I begrudge the bands the 
success - they should have had it years ago!)

grahame

    I think .23 probably has hit the nail on the head.  As both 
    produced 'Greatest Hits' type records like year, they probably 
    brought in mega dosh for the record company without doing much.
    (Can't remember if the Talk Talk videos shown when their records
    were released were new or if they just used the old one.)
    
    julia

    They used the old one for 'Life's What You Make It'.
    
    Bob

    
    
    Didn't see the show, but if J.King had anything to do with it, no
    wonder it was crap.  
    
    And if I've read these notes correctly, Depish Mode won the best single
    award??   Glad I never heard the singles it beat.
    
    The music scene must be worse than I thought.
    
    
    Michael
    

    Well, Michael, it's all a matter of opinion, but I'd say the music
    scene now (even the stuff that gets in the charts, where there's always
    likely to be a fair amount of garbage) is somewhat better than it was
    a couple of years ago, with the recent influx of some of the slightly
    noisier indie guitar bands, the indie/dance crossover stuff, the more
    melodic/less macho/more fun end of dance/rap etc., even if there are
    still too many blummen cover versions of old songs for my taste.
    
    IMO_BOB (from a standpoint of having been in love with pop music since
    about 1962).

    Didn't realise you were that old, Matty...;-)

    This isn't my first life you know! ;-)

    re .9 and .15
    
    To further set the record straight, the incident occured at the 
    Garden State Arts Center in Holmdel NJ in early June of last year
    (the 6th, if I rememebr correctly).  The Arts Center has always
    played the SSB before their shows, probably due to the fact that
    it's not solely a "rock venue".  
    
    The reason the management gave in to her demand was because they
    didn't want a riot on their hands.  (Apparently she didn't state her
    ultimatum until right before show time, before a packed house.)
    
    As far as bad-mouthing her, they stated their opinion just as readily
    as she always states hers, and said they wouldn't have her back. Not
    that that would bother her, and they can find plenty of other performers
    to fill the house.
    
    It's true that it's not a common occurence to play the national anthem
    before events here.... not as common as hearing God_Save_etc in the UK!
    
    Sue

    
    Anybody see Brits 92 last night?
    
    Vaguge comments - Well, I suppose it was refreshing to see PM DAWN and
    SEAL receive awards.  The whole Queen thing was a bit blubbery for my
    liking, I mean Freddie's been gone a long while now and he's had a
    multitude of tributes paid to him.
    
    Paul
    
    P.S. Why hasn't anyone assasinated Jonathan King yet?

	Very, erm, interesting version of "3am Eternal" by Extreme Noise 
	Terror.

	Fridge

    
    re .-1
    
    Yup. Very interesting! One of the funniest things I've seen on TV for
    ages! The best thing was the rapturous applause from the audience
    afterwards. I doubt that many of them could have named either group on
    stage!
    
    Steve.
    

    Loved Maurice Oberstein's hat too.....what a guy.
    
    Glad to see R.E.M. get an award. They deserved it. I think Michael
    Stipe was very pleased to get it (or was he completely out of his
    head?)  
    
    

    Re .last
    
    �Stipe was very pleased to get it (or was he completely out of his
    �head?)  
    
    Both, I think...
    
    Balders
    

It still smacks too much of money making and why do we still have the old
stars keep cropping up.  It's not very encouraging to new acts. Seal is
deserving but what about Massive?

Still a farce IMHO

    
    Who are Massive? Have they had any hits?
    
    Mark

    I agree with .37, to many of the `safe' established people as per usual
    were mentioned.
    
    Tony

    
    	Massive, used to be Massive Attack, they were in the charts 
    	with Safe from Harm and one other I cant remember. There 	
    	album 'Blue Lines' is excellent, although I've only heard 
    	it once.
    
    	Gary.

    RE's on Massive attack
    
    3D-Del Naja/Shara Nelson/Mushroom Vowles and Daddy g Marshall are
    Massive attack again since the gulf war has ended.
    Yup a fabulous album."Blue lines".And their back with a new single
    (which is a cover though)called"Be thankfull for what you got" from
    the legendary William DeVaughn(1974)
    
    jan.

	Somebody told me that Seal's facial wounds are self inflicted.
	Is this true?
	
	Dave

    Aren't they birth marks?
    
    Mikef
    
    PS - KLF had left the building before the best group was announced,
    having been persuaded not to cut up a sheeps carcasse on stage.  Solti
    had to be persuaded to return to his seat, being determined to leave
    after seeing them perform.  rock n roll, phew.

    They also threatened to throw pig's blood at the audience but were
    advised about the possibility of "legal proceedings" if they did this.
    
    A motorcycle messenger was also sent by the KLF to pick up their award
    but was refused on stage to receive it!
    
    D.

    Up to now, I've had no great likes or dislikes about KLF 
    but when they come out with crap like as detailed in the last
    couple of replies, makes me wonder who they think they are?
    
    What is the point of snubbing the people who voted for you?
    Presentious old gits.
    
    julia
    

    They didn't snub anyone, just didn't realise they had won anything. 
    And lets be honest, isn't this what pop music is meant to be all
    about, not boring old farts like Phil Collins being nominated  every
    year, or tributes to deadies who wrote crap songs anyway?
    
    Mikef

    Well of course they didn't realise they won anything if they left
    early.   Or was it the fact that all that talent surrounding them 
    (ie, boring old farts like Phil Collins) made them leave?  
    Cutting up dead animals on stage or whatever their next publicity
    stunt maybe may give them attention but isn't going to earn 
    them great respect as songwriters, as the likes of boring old
    farts like Phil or Freddie are/were.
    
    julia

    �early.   Or was it the fact that all that talent surrounding them 
    �(ie, boring old farts like Phil Collins) made them leave?  
    
    Why should being surrounded by these 'talented' people make them leave?
    
    �Cutting up dead animals on stage or whatever their next publicity
    �stunt maybe may give them attention but isn't going to earn 
    �them great respect as songwriters, as the likes of boring old
    �farts like Phil or Freddie are/were.
    
    I'm sure that the last thing thet KLF are bothered about is having
    people respect them as great songwriters! 
    
    'They're justified and their ancient...' Not exactly classic stuff is
    it?
    
    I personally like the KLF, better a bit of life on stage than a bunch
    of boring old farts!
    
    Steve.
    

    re .48
    
    � I'm sure that the last thing thet KLF are bothered about is having
    � people respect them as great songwriters! 
    
    I'm sure that the last thing that the KLF are bothered about is having
    people respect them PERIOD.
    
    I must make them very happy because I don't respect them at all. Bunch
    of talentless bloody g*ts, but at least they seem to enjoy themselves.
    
    Balders

    
    Ummm.
    
    I reckon that KLF are actually some pretty brilliant producers. Just
    listen to the SOUND they build up. It'd be interesting to see what they
    could do with someone like Phil Collins or Richard Clayderman.
    
    Mark

    I'd say the KLF are just a couple of shrewd business heads out for
    a laugh, to make money, and anything musical is purely incidental.
    I would'nt exactly call them pioneers of any particular genre either
    and would fully expect them to turn Country & Western if that were
    to be the next big thang. I mean we're talking about Bill Drummond
    here are'nt we?
    
    Barry.

    
    Well, I listened to The White Room and thought it was pretty good, even
    if some of the tracks are pretty same-ish.  One other thing I notices
    is that they actually credited the samples they took on the sleeve
    notes, which not a lot of bands do.
    
    Paul

    Re .-2
    
    >   and would fully expect them to turn Country & Western if that were
    >   to be the next big thang. I mean we're talking about Bill Drummond
    >   here
    
    They did try just that, appealing to the Tammy Wynette market, with the
    "Justified and Ancient" single. As I recall they didn't quite make No 1
    at Christmas with it. But I liked it (I even paid money for it, which
    is something I don't do very often).
    
    The Justified and Ancient video was also pretty unique, as have been
    several others from KLF which I've seen (what could be more unique than
    the utterly pointless "It's Grim Up North").
    
    We are indeed talking Bill Drummond here. Who is he anyway? (other than
    ex-manager of Echo+Bunnymen, man behind Doctorin the Tardis, something
    to do with The Orb?, author of "How to Get a No 1 Hit" (?), etc). (Time
    for a KLF topic please).
    
    ENT/KLF on the Brits was the most hilarious thing I have seen on TV in
    ages.  I don't know if it was meant to be funny, or if everybody saw
    the joke, but it made me laugh. I can't quite see how anybody can take
    them seriously. 
    
    regards
    john
    
    

Does Tammy Wynette really sing?

"They're justified and they're Ancient
 And they drive an ice cream van"

Hope so. :^)

    
    Sure does, and there's even an ice cream van on stage with 'em on
    TOTPs!
    
    Mark

    You just gotta love KLF. Showing up the U.K pop scene as the bollox it
    is.
    
    Tony

    
    Well, the KLF are nothing but the purest crap, but then again so are
    most of the drivel that gets in the charts!

    
    Seems to be a prerequisite for getting on TOTPs these days, but
    then again it always was!
    
    Mark