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| 581.1 | How's that? ;-) | HYEND::SCHILTON | When they said sit down,I stood up | Wed Jan 10 1990 17:57 | 10 |
| Hmmm.... the phenomenon, eh? Well, I've always disliked MJ.
Don't know what the fuss is about, why he sells so many discs,
why the girls swoon, etc. But I agree with your term, phenomenon.
I think its gotten to the point where its kind of self-perpetuating,
he could gargle into a microphone and it'd sell millions.
Nope, sorry Tim, he's one pop star who never made it to my bedroom
wall. Now, Adam Clayton, I'd hang him over my bed anyday!!
:-) xx
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| 581.2 | Must've been somethin' I ate! | HYEND::SCHILTON | When they said sit down,I stood up | Wed Jan 10 1990 18:04 | 15 |
| In fact, its kind of scary that kids do hold him in such high
esteem. I mean, they name schools after him, hold him up as an
example to young people and for what?
He's decided to hide himself away, because he's got an abnormal
fear of germs (!!!) and the public (I guess). Has strange ideas
of what he wants to collect (the Elephant Man's skeleton, wasn't
it?!), undergoes repeated cosmetic surgical procedures so that
he can look like who-knows-who, sleeps in an oxygen tent .... it's
just not "normal" .
If he wants to live his life like this fine, "whatever floats your
boat", but don't hold him up as an example to the our youth.
You wanted an opinion, Tim ....
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| 581.3 | | BURYST::EDMUNDS | $ no !fm2r, no comment | Wed Jan 10 1990 18:11 | 5 |
| The guy has never known a normal life; he's been a star since he can
remember.
One has to admire his dancing, though, whatever you think of his music
or personality..
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| 581.4 | Yo Man! Blame it on the Boogie! | CLADA::MEAGHER | These are the hands of a tired man | Thu Jan 11 1990 09:37 | 27 |
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Street cred? Who needs it?
Yeah, I reckon that, while not quite my cup of tea, he's great.
Whether or not I like his style of music or not (and I do - a bit), I
must admit that he does it VERY well. I could say similar things about
Madonna (AND she's prettier than Micheal, though not much anymore :-)
Fine, perhaps he isn't so good so as to deserve all of the adoration
that he gets, but the music business has always worked that way. It
doesn't stop him from being an artist. Also, I'm not interested in how
he behaves offstage, it's what he produces I'm interested in.
Anyway, there's no point discussing my likes & dislikes. Jackson
does have a very distinctive sound, he is extremely danceable (for me,
Yo! Oasis here I come!), and if you like him, then you don't think that
his albums are good, you think they're GREAT. Also, I don't think that
we could accuse the hype machine of putting him where he is (though it
might help keep him there), he did that through sheer raw talent
(Thriller).
-Brian (whipper_snapper)
>>> spawned the hit singles "Billie Jean" and "Off the Wall" among
Wuzn't dere an "Off the Wall" LP? How could ya leave out my fav,
"Beat it" (and "Thriller" and "PYT" and "Human Nature"...:-)
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| 581.5 | Never mind the dancing... | AYOV10::MDONNELLY | Turn that jungle music down | Thu Jan 11 1990 12:43 | 10 |
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Love him or hate him, can anyone honestly say that there is a better
pop vocalist in the world today?
Michael (D)
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| 581.6 | | BAHTAT::BELL | SWAS Leeds 845 2214 | Thu Jan 11 1990 13:33 | 10 |
| As the father of two kids who are MAD about MJ (especially my 11 year
old son) I have to say that I also enjoy his music, his dancing is
incredible and so unique, even his film and video work is quite
watchable. The one thing you have to say about him is his
professionalism and perfectionism. I guess a lot of credit also has to
go to Quincy Jones who was his producer on 'Thriller' and 'Bad', MJ has
acknowledged this himself.
That's from a dedicated '60s merchant. BTW my son also likes Eric
Clapton so he is not totally blinkered.
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| 581.7 | IMHO Bruce S, for one ... | HYEND::SCHILTON | When they said sit down,I stood up | Thu Jan 11 1990 13:36 | 9 |
| >> Love him or hate him, can anyone honestly say that there is a better
>> pop vocalist in the world today?
Yes.
But, that's where personal opinions (and arguments) come into play :-)
Sue
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| 581.8 | Deletion ?? Keith ?? | JUMBLY::OCONNOR | The Pope in the Silver Castle! | Thu Jan 11 1990 14:08 | 31 |
| Re:
>> <<< Note 581.6 by BAHTAT::BELL "SWAS Leeds 845 2214" >>>
>> BTW my son also likes Eric Clapton so he is not totally blinkered.
^-------^
Yeah but, would you say that someone is trying to pull the wool
over his eyes ??
-;) (PS I've only included the `smilie' coz I don't know you.
Personally I find them an eyesore. Their sole function
seems to be to say; "Hey! By the way, I was only joking!"
Intelligent ?? Or what ??)
Re .2
>> ...but don't hold him up as an example to our youth.
>> Sue
Qui ?? Moi ??!?
Re .1
>> Now Adam Clayton, I'd hang him over my bed anyday!!
>> Sue
You mean The Dru...sorry "Adam".
I like your quaint use of the vernacular, Sue dear.
Brian, (in .4) you're probably right about "Off The Wall". I'm
not wildly informed about Michael. (If I were Sue Chilton I'd
probably say; "I'm not well up on him")
- Tim
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| 581.9 | Yes, please (grumble, grumble) | HYEND::SCHILTON | When they said sit down,I stood up | Thu Jan 11 1990 14:36 | 3 |
| >> <<< Note 581.8 by JUMBLY::OCONNOR "The Pope in the Silver Castle!" >>>
-< Deletion ?? Keith ?? >-
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| 581.10 | C'mon Sue - you're not really serious..are you? | AYOV10::MDONNELLY | Turn that jungle music down | Thu Jan 11 1990 16:19 | 20 |
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re .7...
I do not consider myself a fan of either Broocie or MJ Sue,
but the comparison in pure vocal ability between the two leaves
me speachless!
ie - a singer versus a shouter.
The only singer who can come close to Jackson in terms of voice
control,range and quality is Stevie Wonder.
Michael
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| 581.11 | Yes, I'm perfectly serious | HYEND::SCHILTON | When they said sit down,I stood up | Thu Jan 11 1990 17:00 | 11 |
| re. -1
Surely, Michael, even you will admit that it isn't always
the person with the best "quality" voice who become our
'favorites'.
Very often, its their writing ability, style, charisma,
that certain something, or any combination of these factors
that endears them to us.
Sue
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| 581.12 | | AYOV10::MDONNELLY | Turn that jungle music down | Fri Jan 12 1990 10:45 | 13 |
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I *totally* agree, Sue. But my original observation was a reaction
to a few comments implying that Jackson was overrated - and I had
to point out that his vocal ability is second to none.
But you're right - although he's a great singer, he's no 'favourite'
of mine either.
Michael
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| 581.13 | Michael JACKSON!?!? | CURRNT::SAXBY | Isn't it 5.30 yet? | Fri Jan 12 1990 10:48 | 9 |
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Michael Jackson has range? Remind him to use it on his next album
and I'll have a listen! :^)
Sorry, but, great star that he is and very good at what he does
though he undoubtedly is, he is no great singer! Second to none
but 403rd to many seems about fair!
Mark
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| 581.14 | Beauty in the eye of the beholder...ever heard that? | HYEND::SCHILTON | When they said sit down,I stood up | Fri Jan 12 1990 13:21 | 14 |
| re .12
>> a few comments implying that Jackson was overrated - and I had
>> to point out that his vocal ability is second to none.
You *had* to point it out to me?! Here we go again, same old
argument. You are not stating *fact* Michael, but your opinion.
My opinion differs. In my opinion, he is over-rated and I believe
that there are others with much better singing voices. (Joanne
probably being one of them!! ;-) )
But I acknowledge the fact that others will disagree (as you do).
Sue
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| 581.15 | | AYOV10::MDONNELLY | Turn that jungle music down | Mon Jan 15 1990 12:44 | 20 |
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re last 2..
I'm not arguing (with anyone!)on behalf of Michael Jackson, I repeat
I'm no fan. But I can't believe that you don't consider him to
be a great singer.
Sure we all have opinions on artists whether they're our own favourites
or not, but I would have thought that some things are just taken
for granted. It's like saying I don't particularly like Eric
Clapton - so he's a poor guitarist.
Sometimes there are plain facts that transcend opinions.
(IMHO) ;-)
Michael
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| 581.16 | Believe it or not, we don't! | CURRNT::SAXBY | Isn't it 5.30 yet? | Mon Jan 15 1990 13:17 | 24 |
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And sometimes your own opinion can cloud the facts.
You obviously have a grudging admiriation for Michael Jackson and
think he's a great singer. I too have a grudging admirartion for
him (He IS a great performer and is perhaps the archetypal pop star)
, but I don't think he's a great singer.
There's nothing offensive about his voice (WHAT AM I SAYING? at
times he sounds like a puppy being whipped!), but I wouldn't
consider him a better than average singer. I've heard a couple of
his albums (Off the Wall and Thriller) and they have some good tracks
on them (I've always liked Billy Jean), but they don't stand out
for his great voice. They are all production sound!
Of course, we all have different ideas of what is a good singing
voice, and I don't doubt that you would ridicule any list that I
put in of male vocalists who I rate (and if not you someone else
would :^)), but that doesn't mean that I'm right and you (or they
are wrong) just that we have a different understanding of what is
good.
Mark
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| 581.17 | Off The Wall or On The Fence? | YUPPY::EVANSJ | Twentysomething | Wed Jan 17 1990 13:57 | 8 |
| I think he's quite good but am warming more to sister Janet.
Re: His voice. I liked the much earlier, young stuff like "Ain't
No Sunshine" and the excellent "I Want You Back". These tracks had
so much energy.
John
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| 581.18 | | KERNEL::SHELLEYR | Diet free Caffeine Coke | Tue Aug 04 1992 10:48 | 6 |
| I've heard that the MJ concert that was cancelled on Saturday has been
rescheduled for the 23rd August.
Is this right ?
Roy
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| 581.19 | | FORTY2::ASH | Grahame Ash @REO | Tue Aug 04 1992 12:53 | 3 |
| Yes, 23 Aug - 'all tickets valid'.
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