Conference marvin::uk_music

    Yup...I think its great.  Its a kinda slow slushy thing, in some ways
    reminds me of Soft Cell.  I don't think Neil Tennant  helped on all of
    the album, so the rest of the stuff may be different.  The lp is
    promised for Spring.  Ought to be a Crimbo No 1, is it in the charts?
    
    Mikef

    
    Must be, it was on TOTP!
    
    Mark

    
    
    ..and I thought Neil Tennant looked decidedly uncomfortable in that
    line up.
    
    
    
    
    Michael
    

I saw it on Top of the Pops as well. I didn't think it was that good compared
to what Tennant/Albrect have produced seperately in the past.  A bit wishy 
washy really.  Johnny Marr didn't really seem to contribute much to the whole 
song as well.

Lee.

P.S.  I don't want to get off the subject of this topic, but as an aside, to
those who witnessed this song on TOTP last night; Wasn't that DJ compere guy
about the most obnoxious person in the whole world?  Yes, I thought he was.

    
> P.S.  I don't want to get off the subject of this topic, but as an aside, to
> those who witnessed this song on TOTP last night; Wasn't that DJ compere guy
> about the most obnoxious person in the whole world?  Yes, I thought he was.

    Nah, you must have missed HIS work on Wednesday...
    
    
    
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    on BBC2!
    
    Mark
    
    

    
    
    Nicky Campbell is by no means my favourite person, but there are
    infinitely more nauseating people who host TOTP and the likes.
    
    I found his comment about Tina Turner's age rather daring and
    encouraging actually.  Normally these guys are so sychophantic it
    would make you puke.
    
    
    
    Michael
    

    I got the 12" and what a waste!
    
    The 2 mixes on there are really boring and stretched out.  Also the
    b-side `Lucky Bag' is a bit boring, although it might sound at home in
    some nightclub.
    
    Does anyone know if there is a remix 12" out?  I can't get hold of
    anything in Basingstoke.  I also saw the cassette single advertised in
    RM, but I can't get that either.
    
    MattyB

    Yeah, I think the A side is boring, the shorter one isn't too bad tho'. 
    There is a remix, in a sleeve with a white background.  This seems to
    have even more longer mixes, so may be even more boring.
    
    Mikef

    Mikef, Where did you see it on sale?
    
    MattyB

    saw it in Our Price in Basingstoke just before Crimbo.
    
    Mikef
    
    PS - Have you heard that New Order are going to record the England
    Football team song?  Should be interesting.

    Mikef,
    
    RE.11 England World Cup Song.
    
    Yeah, I read that there's is a possibility.  I can't imagine what it
    could sound like - It's not New Order's style.
    
    Do you know if if there are recording any other new stuff?  I know
    Electronic did their studio work ages back.  So maybe they are making
    good use of their time.  
    
    
    MattyB
          

    Well, I read that they may go back to the studio together during
    summer, but on prevous  form, and with thier method of working,
    I wouldnt expect new product for at least 18 months.  Hookey is touring
     with Revenge soon, so that will probably take up a month or so.
     I think that Gillian and Steve are doing some theme music work,
     but I can't remember what.
    
    Mikef
    
    PS can anyone remember back to the original issue of the Unkown
    Pleasures album.  Did it have song titles anywhere, or was it just
    blank?

    Has anyone heard anything by the Revenge?  What do they sound like?
    
    MattyB

    Quite guitary based, very similar in feel to the more guitar-oriented
    New Order stuff.  Check out the 7 inch. ( Tho' it has a slightly naff
    cover).
    
    =Mikef

The original  Unknown Pleasures had song titles on the record only. One side
was labelled "inside" the other was labelled "outside"...

Ed

    Cheers ed...I picked up a copy at the weekend, which has no titles
    anywhere.  The labels are only the sleeve pattern, only one printd in
    negative (black on white).  The inner sleeve is white.  
    
    Mikef

    I've just picked up the Electronic Remix 12". (at last!)
    
    Instead of "Getting Away With It" it is titled "Electromix".  It has
    the same cover as the normal 12" but the background is white and the
    drink is clear, instead of whisky.
    
    The tracks are;
    
    "Getting Away With It, vocal remix"
    "Getting Away With It, nude mix"
    "Lucky Bag, miami edit"
    "Getting Away With It, original Version"
    
    I'll let you know what it sounds like tommorrow, as I haven't got a
    record player at work!  I have also seen the cassette single, but this
    has the same cover and tracks as the 7".
    
    
    MattyB

    RE. -1  The Eletromix 12".
    
    Well it's certainly better than the normal 12"
    
    The 2 a-side mixes are similar, and both are great.  They have driving
    disco beats, lots of bass and keyboards extra to the normal.  Perfect
    for a club.
    
    The mix of "Lucky Bag" is very similar to the one on the normal 12" and
    therfore is neither better nor worse.
    
    The `original mix' of "Getting Away With It" is virtually the same as
    the 7", but has more of Johnny Marr's Guitar.
    
    
    MattyB_who_bought_it_for_it's_cover_and_the_fact_that_it_will_rise_in_value.

    
    Re.19
    
    Are records really worth buying as an investment?

    I know some very rare records are valuable, but are records that
    you can buy in the shops really worth getting for the investment
    potential? Would you have to buy millions to make a reasonable return?
    
    I've got a wierd ABC 12" single of a remixed version of the Look
    of Love.It claims to be for radio play only (or something like that)
    and both sides contain the same track (a rip off really!). Would
    it be worth anything?
    
    Mark
    

    Mark,
    
    Is the centre of the record, got a large red "A", if so this is
    known as a white label copy, you would find that these are the promo
    records, and are found to be collecter items.
    
    
    Martin "Who's been DJ'ing for 10 yrs, as from today!"
    -----

    They don't always have a big red A, quite often there is no info on the
    label at all, just typewritten notes on the sleeve. Radio promotional
    items are valuable as well.  I have a Pete Townsend lp, which has a
    'mock interview' between tracks (Interview Pete yourself).  The idea
    being that you ask pre-set questions, and Petes reply is on the vinyl,
    along with him introducing tracks from his lp.  It keeps me amused
    anyway!
    
    Mikef

    Re Demo discs...
    
    Yeah, it's true that demos are often more valuable than issues,
    but if there are less issues about then they are more valuable.
    This only occours with *very* old records in general though.
    BTW...Has the b side of the "Look of love" Demo got a mono version
    on it or is it just a second stereo side? Anyway, don't feel ripped
    off about it, it will increase in value and the B side was probably
    rubbish anyway! ;^)
    
    J/

    
    I must admit I hardly ever play the 'B' side (didn't seem much point
    as it was the same as the 'A', so it could be mono, I don't know.
    
    I wasn't too bothered about it as I bought it a few years ago when
    12" singles made financial sense (not at �3.49+) and I bought it
    purely for this one track which you couldn't buy anywhere else.
    
    Mark

    Records from you local Our Price can end up worth a fortune.
    
    However most 7" & 12" singles don't rise too much in value, especially
    if they are reissused on the same catalogue No. in the same sleeve.
    
    It is the limited editions that rise in value quickly, but it helps if
    the band becomes popular.  For instance the early Stone Roses singles
    are worth around �20-�30 each already.  The early Madonna singles, even
    though they were hits, are worth around �5 each.  Icidentally, if
    anyone has a copy of Madonna - `Everybody' 7" or 12" I would swim the
    channel underwater to get hold of it.
    
    Take for instance Erasure's `Heavenly Action'.  The song only reached
    No 100 and the 7" is only worth �1.75 and the 12" �3.50.  BUT the
    limited edition remix 12" is worth �80.00.  This could have been bought
    from HMV or anywhere.
    
    Sometimes these limited editions 12" (picture disc or whatever) are
    difficult to get.  Only this weekend I travelled to Reading (I couldn't
    get is from B'stoke) to buy the last copy in Reading of Erasure's
    `Supernature'.  This cost �3.49 but in 3 months will be worth three
    times as much.  The thing is that if only 2000 copies are pressed and
    spread throughout the country you have to hunt round a few shops before
    they sell out.
    
    Difficulty comes in knowing whether the remix 12" is a limited edition or
    not, and actually selling them for the right price.
    
    
    MattyB
    
    ps. If anybody has `Holiday' UK 7" with the cover that has Madonna on it, I
    would pay the right price �5.00.  This something that I saw in my local
    record shop but didn't buy at the time and regret very much.  In fact
    that also goes for the 2 track 12" of `Borderline' (Not the 3 track one)

    Is that the standard issue of RUN2 thats worth that much??  Was it in
    Record Collector or something?
    
    Mikef

    
    Is this a temporary increase in value? I mean, when Erasure or whatever
    are all over, will you end up stuck with just a bunch of duff singles,
    or will they remain 'collectable' indefinitely?
    
    Richard.

    Re 567.27
    That's the skill of being a good collector (if you are in it for
    the money). It seems to be a bit like the stock exchange...the more
    copies about, the less it's worth. Popularity obviously plays a
    great part in this too. 
    An Example.
    I have a single at home called "That was the Whiskey Talkin'" by
    Ronnie Forte.
     I bought it for �10. A few months later it was worth about �40
    but then it dropped back down to about �15...just due to popularity!
    This record is reknown for losing and gaining it's value in fast
    succession. The skill is buying a good copy at the cheapest price
    and then getting rid of it at the highest. I'm not selling though
    because I actually like the records I collect! ;^)
    
    James

    RE. Run 2 12" only - New Order
    
    Only 500 copies were pressed (so I was told).  I was also told that it
    is so rare that John Peel was asked to give his copy back, because New
    Order didn't have one!  Nice story init?  Dunno if it's true though.
    
    What I do know is that it took me 2 weeks to get hold of it.  I
    couldn't get it in Basingstoke, or Reading, or Farnborough, and even my
    favourite record shops, Rival in Bath and The Left Legged Pinannaple in
    Loughborough.  I eventually picked it up in Domino records in Salisbury
    for �5.00 and have since seen it in Trax in Doncaster and Hudsons in
    Chesterfield.
    
    I haven't seen it for sale in Record Collector yet, except for a Scott
    Little Remix.  I don't know if this is the same one or not, but that
    was going for �11.99.  I have also seen a 7" promo in there and that
    was about �20.
    
    Mikef, have you got a copy?  If so is it the standard 12"?
    
    
    
    MattyB
    
    
    As a footnote;
    `God Save The Queen' by the Sex Pistols was released with initial
    quantities carying a different b-side. (I can't remember the title). 
    This is now worth �450.00! according to RC.

    I thnk you'll find it was nearer 10,000 copies pressed.  I got the
    standard 12" the day of release, and everywhere had copies at the
    standard price.  Same for my friends elsewhere.  I imagine its hard to
    find now tho'.  I heard Peelie play the 7", and then mutter about
    himself being lucky because of the rarity value.
    
    The rare Sex Pistols - this must be the EMI 7"?  And is the A+M 7" even
    rarer??
    
    Mikef

    RE. God Save The Queen
    
    I can't remember which came first, the EMI 7" or the A&M 7".  But it's
    the first one that is worth the money.  The second release is only
    worth about �3-�4.  See this months Record Collector, it have a Punk
    Special in it that list all Punk singles from '76 & '77.
    
    
    Mattyb

    I bought the Electromix 12" in Our Price in Basingstoke yesterday
    (the first full price 12" I've bought in about 6 years!).
    
    If you like the single chances are you'll love the remix 12". As
    was said earlier the tracks are very much dance floor orientated,
    but not in the modern 'Whose making this crap in the house' style,
    more akin to the early-mid 80s style (just my cup of tea).
    
    Johnny Marr does come across much more on the single-mix track than
    on the 7" version that's played on the radio.
    
    Another good thing is that the  whole thing seems to last a long
    time (I didn't actually time it) and I didn't feel as though I'd
    been ripped off by paying for 1 good track and 3 duff ones.
    
    I don't care if it makes or looses money (I doubt it'll ever be
    worth much), but it is a record that I know I'll play a lot, along
    with my Blue Monday and Love Will Tear Us Apart 12"s.
    
    Mark
    

    I just read that Chris Lowe (from Pet Shop Boys) is involved with
    Electronic as well as Neil T.  

I read an interview with Johnny Marr saying that he was just about
to start work on a new Electronic album.

Rich