Conference marvin::uk_music

    YEP I like the Jam. They penned some good solid songs , and without
    modern gimmicks. What happened to the other two? I know one of them
    went solo for a while.
      Also, don't cringe Barry, but if anyone was to cover one of their
    tracks it should have been Boy George ( when he still had a voice),
    covering The Bitterest Pill. Weller must written it for him and
    no pun intended (re;drugs) . 8^)
    
    David.
    
    BTW: strange I would have thought more of you out in musicland
         would have liked The Jam?!

    Bruce Foxton went into a solo career which didn't have much success
    and is now playing with the Leeds part-timers - The Rythem Sisters.
    
    Rick Buckler joined some obsure band and then vanished.
    
    Bruce

I'm the  proud owner of the single "This is the Way" by Bruce Foxton...And I
saw them twice on their last stateside tour...way back when...

Ed (USA)

    Didn't Rick end up in a band called Time UK? Or was that Bruce?
    
    The Jam were, IMHO, the mightiest band in Britain at the time they
    had that incredible run of hit singles.
    
    Bob

    I think you're right about Rick...I knew it had UK in it....
    
    Bruce.

    
    Yes Rick Buckler did join a band called Time U.K, they had about
    3 singles, Bruce Foxton had 1 hit single from a very good solo
    album but never produced anything like the brilliant Smithers Jones.
    The Jam are with doubt my favourite band of all time, the lyrics,
    the music and agression they used to put into there music has never
    been repeated my anyone since, although i like the Style Council
    there will never be another band like The Jam, i saw them 10 times
    live, no fancy lights, no fancy stage show, just them and maybe a
    brass section and the crowd, pure power and agression.
    
    Neil..   

    The first, and only, time I saw them was at the Rainbow in May '79.
    Remember it well; the two support bands were The Records ( who
    put out a great debut album) and The Chords ( nearly as crap as
    The Secret Affair, not nearly as crap as The Merton Parkas ).
    It was in the days when the Jam still wore those matching suits,
    around the time of "Strange Town" and they even played one of my
    favourites "News of the World."
    
    What a gig!!
    
    Yours
    
    Billy Hunt, Billy Hunt, Billy, Billy , Bill-eeeee

    
     I also saw The Jam at the Rainbow round about the same time, and
     the band that supported them that night was The Vapours, of Turning
     Japanese fame but the best concert for me was out adoubt was
     there final concert ever, at Wembley Arena, with support acts like
     The Dolly Mixtures and Big Country, there was one more but i forget
     who it was, they did everthing from In The City to Beat Surrender
     a two and a Half hour set with everyone on their feet from start
     to finish a sad but brilliant night. Its a shame it was never captured
     on video.
    
      
     

    I like some songs by The Jam, but I don't think their vocals were
    ever anything to write home about. 
    
    "Start!" sounds a lot like "Taxman." "Strange Town" is a very good
    single. 
    
    I liked 'em because they seemed to take old Who and Kinks for their
    inspiration. 
    
    

Judging by the advertising for the "new" product Polydor have seen it fit
to start a Jam revival or should that be wallet revival? The punter of
course is getting nothing new as far as I know; no previously un-released
material has been mysteriously discovered but then again that's more
common amongst pop's dead fraternity. Moreover, 7 years between compilations
is'nt bad for a record company is it? 

A couple of albums of live material would'nt go amiss would it? But then
again very few companies will go to the trouble of satisfying fan obsession
unless they can guarantee sales of X million units. Economics innit. For now
I suppose I can only dream of what it would be like to wander through 
Polydor's vaults/archives and ask them to do me a few C90's worth of
all the few thousand feet worth of live material never released. There's
always Camden Market bootlegs but I've still to get one which does'nt 
consist of the mutterings of the people next to the mixing desk and one
which was'nt recorded from the bottom of a zinc bucket. "Direct from the
mixing Desk" I'm sure. 

Took "The Modern World" out for a spin the the other night and christ
does'nt it sound dated? (Yes I know it's 14 years old!!) Probably
because that album more than any other caught Weller in his "let's be
like the Who" period. "London Traffic" is still a lesson in not
letting Bruce Foxton write any of the songs. Speaking of whom, where
is he now? The same applies to Rick Buckler. 


Barry.    

    
    
    
    
     Bruce Foxton to his credit did write a great track which was a
     B-side to When Your Young called Smithers Jones.
    
     Bruce Foxton is now a session Guitarest, but spent a few years
     nursing his wife through cancer. Rick Buckler is in some band I've
     never heard of. I also listened to the albums the other day and have to
     agree the first two have dated but All Mod Cons and Setting Sons
     still sound good, regarding the greatest hits album what
     a rip off, no comparison to Snap the true Greatest Hits album.
    
     It'll be interesting to hear what Weller has to say about it?.
    
                              Neil.
    
    
                    

    
    Re .11
    
    I happened to play my one and only Jam album last week too (Setting
    Sons) and agree that it hasn't dated. I reckon the Jam could stand 
    a revival much as the Clash have (concentrating on the more 'mature'
    later material).
    
    Why do you say Snap is better than TGH? I've been toying with the idea
    of getting this album, but if Snap is better I'll look for that...
    
    Mark

    
    
     Mark,
           The reason Snaps better, is, not only does it contain all the 
           tracks on the lastest Hits album but loads more mainly B-Sides
           which are definetly worth a listen, out of the two, Snap is the
           album to get. 
    
                               Neil..  
    

    
    Ah, in that case it'll probably be worth looking for. Is it still
    available, or should I be looking in the secondhand shops?
    
    Mark

    I can't imagine that "Snap" would've been deleted. 
    
    Barry.

    
     I can't imagine either that Snap has been deleted, does anyone know
     wether it was brought out on CD?.
    
     It's strange that a band who like to tour never released a decent live
     album, the one they did release was just a compilation of live
     material collected over the years. And dumped onto one album.
    
                             Neil.
    
    
                                   
    

    I was in Our Price (spit spit) yesterday, and the Greatest Hits album
    was everywhere, along with most of their back catalogue (some of it at
    a 'Nice Price', too). 'Snap' was nowhere to be found - I imagine the
    record company is probably trying to suppress 'Snap' in an attempt to
    boost sales of the Greatest Hits lp.
    
    Didn't a CD version of 'Snap', which had a few less tracks than the
    original double lp, come out not that long ago?
    
    Bob

    Yes,  there is a CD version - got it 2 birthdays ago, and it is minus
    some tracks.  
    
    I was backtracking along nostalgia road last night listening to it and
    my hubby and I came to the agreement that they could've kept going
    atleast for a while longer.
    
    
    Tracy W

     I saw the SNAP CD in a branch of WH Smiths last year.. it was in their
     budget price list at 8.99 (so I "snapped" one up)

    
    RE-18 Yes Funeral Pyre is on the Snap Album.
    
                             Neil..
    

    Someone said the live album had tracks "dumped" onto the lp - were you
    reffering to Dig The New Breed I think it's very good - especially as 
    I was at the gig at the Glasgow Appolo - now that brings back memories,
    I can still remember That's Entertainment,Dreams of Children,Going
    Underground and a brilliant finish with Weller leathering into Private
    Hell.If memery serves me right about the first 10 rows of seats totally
    disapeared - it's funny how you don't get that at gigs anymore - eh??
    
    After about 10 years of going to gigs there's only one or two that have
    been as good - still waiting for another band to catch the same energy
    and excitment again.
    
    
    
    						stuart
    

    
    > the first 10 rows of seats totally disappeared - its funny how you
    don't get that at gigs anymore
    
    Monday in Brighton, Morrissey gig the same thing happened
    
    Tim
    ---

    I saw The Jam in Galway in 1978 or 79. It was a good-ish concert but my
    ears buzzed for three days afterwards. And the resident old hippie in
    the local paper slagged them off saying that their "newtown neurotic
    noise had absolutely *no* place in Galway life"

    So now you know -;)

    - Tim
    

    
    
     I saw The Jam a few times, and I can honestly say I've not seen
     a better band live, I wondered at the time and still do wonder why
     they didn't release a live album of a complete concert as someone
     said in a earlier note, somewhere in the vaults of Polydor lies some
     unreleased live material. Maybe one day someone will have the sense to
     put it on record, until then, I'll settle for Dig The New Breed.
    
     
                               Neil.
    
    
         

    Trying not to get off the subject but I read in Vox the other day that
    Paul Wellers new "Movement",crappy name,have a video out live at
    Brixton and was surprised at how good a review it got.He also did a few
    Jam numbers.I might buy it though nothing really grabs me except Speak
    Like A Child and Money Go Round.
    p.s.is Strange Town in yellow vinyl and David Watts in paper label
    worth anything - not that I'd sell.
    
    
    						stuart

    Can't help on the possible rarities side. However, totally agree on
    Weller's name for the outfit. Those un-loveable hacks at the N.M.E 
    have been less than complimentary about it, suggesting that the new 
    material in connection with the name is more in tune with the Woking
    bard's bowel actions. 
    
    Still, nice to see Morissey (God help me if I spell that wrong - expect 
    an invasion of awkward, blushing young things moaning away ) saluting a 
    great song with his rendition of "That's Entertainment". I have'nt 
    heard it yet, wonder if he's gone all rockabilly on it? 
     
    
    Barry.

    No he hasn't, Barry, he's gone all 'let's make a good sprightly little
    toon into a total blummen dirge' on it.
    
    Bob

    Sounded good live to me.
    
    Mikef (beeeeg Jam fan)

    And me, sounded damn fine on vinyl as well.
    
    Tim
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>    Still, nice to see Morissey (God help me if I spell that wrong - expect 
>    an invasion of awkward, blushing young things moaning away )
    
    Two "r"s actually, Barry.
    
    
    blush blush

    Anyone taken delivery of the latest Jam compilation, "Extras."?
    I understand it's a double album length collection of B-sides,
    unreleased songs and rough demos of well known songs. The interview
    with Weller in Vox is worth reading too. Don't hold out for any 
    future live material as Polydor have lost the masters for all 
    shows recorded from 76-83. Silly buggers. Anyone got any decent 
    sounding bootlegs?
    
    barry.
     

    I don't have any bootlegs but on the first Sunday of every month there is
    a record fair held at the Palace Hotel in Southend-on-Sea.  Bootlegs are
    sold there for �4 each, most bands you care to mention (except Hot 
    Chocolate for some reason.  I bought some Pogues tapes last Sunday and I'm
    sure I saw some Jam ones.

    Goldy.

    
    Rumours flying around a the moment are saying The Jam have reformed
    and have played 3 gigs in America, anyone else heard this ?.
    
    After seeing Paul Weller on Saturday night doing A Town Called Malice
    I'd love it if they did. There is I'm sure a market for them..
     
    Anyone else brought Paul Weller's Album, naffly called "Paul Weller"
    I thought it was great...
    
    I've also brought the Paul Weller Movement video which also great I'm
    glad his dropped the Movement. 

    Very unlikely but something I'd like to see. I don't think Weller 
    is the type to reform for nostalgic reasons unless he's feeling
    nostalgic about his bank balance and what it's like to play to 
    packed audiences in large venues. Here's hoping.
    
    barry.

    
    I agree it's unlikely, apparently a number of the tabloids and also
    the NME have all carried articles about it...I haven't read any off
    them myself. Though there was a snippet on Carlton news a couple of weeks
    ago about a law suit from the other members of The Jam because of the
    re-release of the Hits cd's etc, never heard what the outcome was..
    
    I'll just have to buy a couple of the NME......What a thought a Jam
    tour....
    
    Neil...
      
    

    Maybe you're getting mixed up with the current imitation Jam band who
    call themselves All Mod Cons - I think - they are doing dates in
    U.S.A.
    
    			Stuart.
    

    
    I read the article last night, it was definatly The Jam, there was
    a couple of quotes from Rick Buckler and Bruce Foxton saying they
    wouldn't rule out getting back together, though the Paul Weller
    spokesman said everytime Paul plays a Jam record theirs always rumours
    about them getting back together...
    
    I think it's just paper talk after Paul Weller's appearence on Jonathon
    Ross's show on Saturday night...
    
    Neil... 
    
    

    
    Paul Weller's been busy lately with the release of a couple of singles
    Sunflower was the first which Charted at number 16 his highest chart
    position since It Didn't Matter( The Style Council). Next Week see's
    the release of the single Wildwood which is the title of the
    forthcoming Album which is to be released in September.
    
    He's also appeared on the Jools Holland show a couple of weeks
    ago doing 3 songs. He also done a session on the Jaki Brambles
    lunchtime show a few weeks back which included "Thats Entertainment".
    
    Even after all this years he's still producing quality marterial.
    
    Neil..

    
    For all Paul Weller/Jam fans Radio one are doing a tribute, part one
    will be on Saturday, from 2 til 3...
    
    Quality hour before the football on Radio 5....
    
    Paul Weller's new album is released on September 6th...
    
    Neil.

    
    
    Well, I listened to the first part and throughly enjoyed it, an hour
    packed with plenty of Jam tracks, with Gary Cowley, Paulo Hewitt and
    John Weller (Paul's Dad) doing most of the reminiscing. It really
    brought home just how big The Jam were in this Country.  An hour of total
    Self indulgence.....
    
    Two Notable absentees from the program were Bruce Foxton and Rick 
    Buckler, who apparently still havn't forgiven Paul for splitting them
    up.
    
    Here is the list of Jam Singles.
    
     DATE      TITLE                                      CHART POSITION
    
    May 1977  In The City                                       40
    Jul 1977  All Around The World                              13
    Nov 1977  The Modern World                                  36
    Mar 1978  News of the World                                 27
    Aug 1978  David Watts/A bomb in Wardour Street              25
    Oct 1978  Down in the tube Station at Midnight              15
    Mar 1979  Strange Town                                      15
    Aug 1979  When Your Young                                   17
    Nov 1079  The Eton Rifles                                    3
    Mar 1980  Going Underground/Dreams of Children               1
    Apr 1980  All Around the world(re-entry)                    43
    Apr 1980  David Watts/A Bomb in Wardour Street(re-entry)    54
    Apr 1980  In the city(re-entry)                             40
    Apr 1980  News of the World(re-entry)                       53
    Apr 1980  Strange Town(re-entry)                            44
    Apr 1980  The Modern World(re-entry)                        52
    Aug 1980  Start                                              1
    Feb 1981  Thats Entertainment (IMPORT)                      21
    Jun 1981  Funeral Pyre                                       4
    Oct 1981  Absolute Beginners                                 4
    Feb 1982  Town Called Malice/Precious                        1 
    Jul 1982  Just who is the five O'clock hero                  8
    Sep 1982  The Bitterest Pill(I Ever Had To Swallow)          2
    Dec 1982  Beat Surrender         LAST SINGLE                 1
    Jan 1983  All Around The World(2nd re-entry)                38
    Jan 1983  David Watts/A bomb in Wardour(2nd re-entry)       50
    Jan 1983  Down in the Tube Station at Midnight(re-entry)    30
    jan 1983  Going Underground/Dreams of Children(re-entry)    21
    Jan 1983  In The City(2nd re-entry)                         47
    Jan 1983  News of The World( 2nd re-entry)                  39
    Jan 1983  Strange Town(2nd re-entry)                        42
    Jan 1983  the Modern World(2nd re-entry)                    51
    Jan 1983  When your Young (re-entry)                        53
    Jan 1983  That's Entertainment (re-issue)                   60
    Feb 1983  Start (re-entry)                                  62
    Feb 1983  The Eton Rifles (re-entry)                        54
    Feb 1983  Town Called Malice/Precious( re-entry)            73 
    
    Next week follows his career after The Jam....
    
    Neil..                                      
                                                  
      

    Hi,
    
    	Booked to see Paul Weller on 25th November in Bournemouth, first
    live gig for ages and first time to see Paul Weller since Style Council
    days, should be good.
    
    	Also, feeling wealthy (a rare occurence !), have bought a book
    covering 92-95 on Paul Weller, called something like 'Days slip by and
    Time fades'.  I filled in one of the inserts with a CD single and now
    get mailshots from Go! Discs every time he releases anything, plays
    live etc.  Quite useful as I don't buy much music press these days, but
    this probably nominates me as sad-29-year old of the week !
    
    	Euan

    Stretch,
    
    Whats your opinion on this?
    
    Stuart

    Stuart,
         
    	I think you will find the word "sad" in Euans note. Need I say
    more ?	
    
                  Too_busy_for_full_on_sarcasm_Stretch

    I saw the Jam cover band recently here in Boston at the Rat, All
    Mods Cons, and thought them pretty boring. Anybody else seen them?
    Peter