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    Don't know about the other two, but THE LUXURY GAP by Heaven 17
    is still one of my favourite albums.

    
    
    Michael
    
    

    "The Luxury Gap" was the most commercially successful album by Heaven
    17 to date. They seem to have gone into relative obscurity because
    they have fallen out with the record press and they are given very
    little promotion by their record label.I fully recommend their latest
    album "Teddy Bear, Duke, and Psycho". 
    Band member Martyn Ware is making more money as a producer. His latest
    success was with Terence Trent D'Arby. 
    The British Electric Foundation was set up after Martyn and Ian
    left The Human League. Although they lost a lot of money on that
    venture they got to know a lot of contacts within the music industry,
    and increased their skills. 
    Please see notes 250.19+ for more.
                              
    

    As I like (good!) synth music I seem to have a fair amount of work
    by 'H17' .  The 1st album; Penthouse & Pavement, is excellent power-
    pop with the odd hint of something more soulful.
      Under BEF they produced a tape called: Music for Stowaways (you
    can't play a record when stowingaway I presume!!) This is a tad
    experimental though. My brother has a later album called "Pleasure"something
    which he says is good.                                           
    I'd recommend anyone giving them at least a listen.
    
    David

    One of the tracks featured on "Music For Stowaways" is "Uptown
    Apocalypse".This is a recording by The Future - Martyn Ware, Ian
    Craig-Marsh and Adi Newton. Adi left to form Clock DVA, Ian and
    Martyn went on to form The Human League with Phil Oakey.
    Another Future track to survive is "Dancevision" on B side of Human
    League's "Holiday '80"single.
    "The Future Tapes" advertised on inner sleeve of Heaven 17's "The
    Luxury Gap" LP was never released due to wranglings with Phil Oakey
    after the split.

    
    The 12 inch version of  '(that's no lie)'...is one of the best Club
    tracks I have heard.......
    

    Is that the "B" side of the 12" (album version) or the actual "A"
    side? I rate the album version more. The 12" was released with 5
    different covers in the UK ...the 5th in the series had "Heaven
    17 Megamix" as "B" side.

                                THE FUTURE
    
    No record contract as The Future, but tracks were to surface later:
    B side of Human League single "Holiday '80" - "Dancevision"
    Track on B.E.F. "Music For Stowaways" tape  - "Uptown Apocalypse"
    "The Future Tapes" advertised on inner sleeve of Heaven 17's "The
    Luxury Gap" LP was never released
    
                        THE HUMAN LEAGUE - SINGLES
    
    "Electronically Yours" ("Being Boiled"/"Circus Of Death")mono 7"
    "Electronically Yours" ("Being Boiled"/"Circus Of Death")     7"
    "Holiday '80"("Being Boiled"/"Marianne"/"Dancevision"/"R & R")7"
    "Holiday '80"("Marianne"/ "Being Boiled"/"Dancevision")       7"
    "Holiday '80"                                                12"
    "The Dignity Of Labour" (Parts 1-4)                          12"
    "Empire State Human" ("Empire State Human"/"Introducing")     7"
    "Empire State Human" ("Empire State Human"/"Introducing")    12"
    
                         THE HUMAN LEAGUE - ALBUMS
    
    "Travelogue"     LP
    "Travelogue"     CD (Featuring extra tracks, including The Men single)
    "Reproduction"   LP
    
                      THE HUMAN LEAGUE - RARER ITEMS
    
    "Electronically Yours" exists in 12" format on German EMI label
    Initial copies of "The Dignity Of Labour" came with free flexi
    "Only After Dark" came as a free 7" with "Empire State Human" single
    "Holiday '80" mini album with nice picture label released in Japan
    
                                 THE MEN
    
    "I Don't Depend On You" ("I Don't Depend On You"/"Cruel")    12"
    
    
                           HEAVEN 17 - SINGLES
    
    "We Don't Need This Fascist..."("Groove Thang"/"Decline")       7"
    "We Don't Need This Fascist..."("Groove Thang"/"Decline")       12"
    "We Don't Need This Fascist..."("Groove Thang"/"I'm Your Money"CDS
    "I'm Your Money" ("I'm Your Money"/"Are Everything")            7"
    "I'm Your Money" ("I'm Your Money"/"Are Everything")            12"
    "Play To Win" ("Play To Win"/"Play")                            7"
    "Play To Win" ("Play To Win"/"Play")                            12" 
    "Penthouse And Pavement" ("Penthouse & Pavement"/Instrumental)  7"
    "Penthouse And Pavement" ("Penthouse & Pavement"/Instrumental)  12"
    "At The Height Of The Fighting"("At The Height.."/"Honeymoon")  12"
    "Let Me Go" ("Let Me Go"/ Instrumental)                         7"
    "Let Me Go" ("Let Me Go"/ Instrumental)                         12"
    "Temptation" ("Temptation"/"We Live So Fast")                   7"
    "Temptation" ("Temptation"/"We Live So Fast")      picture disc 7"
    "Temptation" ("Temptation"/"We live So Fast"/"Who'll Stop ..")  12"
    "Temptation" ("Temptation"/"We Live So Fast"/"Who'll Stop ..") CDS
    "Come Live With Me" ("Come Live .."/"Let's All Make A Bomb")    7"
    "Come Live With Me" ("Come Live .."/"Let's..")     picture disc 7"
    "Come Live With Me" ("Come Live .."/"Let's.."/"Song With No ..")12"
    "Crushed By The Wheels Of Industry" ("Crushed..." parts 1 and 2)7"
    "Crushed By The Wheels .." ("Crushed" parts 1 & 2) picture disc 7"
    "Crushed By The Wheels .." ("Crushed" 1 & 2 /Dance mix)         12"
    "Sunset Now"("Sunset Now"/"Counterforce")                       7"
    "Sunset Now"("Sunset Now"/"Counterforce"1&2/"Flamedown"/Ext mix)12"
    "Sunset Now"("Sunset Now"/"Counterforce"1&2/"Flamedown"/Ext)   cass
    "This Is Mine" ("This Is Mine"/"Mine")                          7"
    "This Is Mine" ("This Is Mine"/"Skin"/"Mine")  free poster      12"
    "This Is Mine" ("This Is Mine" filmix and cinemix/"Skin")       12"
    "..And That's No Lie" ("And That's No Lie"/"The Fuse")          7" 
    "..And That's No Lie" ("And That's No Lie"/album v./"The Fuse") 12"
    "..And That's No Lie" ("And That's No Lie"/"The Fuse"/Megamix)  12"
    "The Foolish Thing To Do" ("The Foolish ..."/"My Sensitivity")  7" 
    "The Foolish Thing To Do" ("Foolish"/version/"My Sensitivity")  12"
    "Contenders" ("Contenders"/"Extracts From Diary Of A Contender")7"
    "Contenders" ("Contenders"/"Diary Of A Contender")              12"
    "Contenders"("Contenders"/"Diary"/"Penthouse &.."/Megamix)double12"
    "Trouble" ("Trouble"/"Move Out")                                7"
    "Trouble" ("Big Trouble"/"Move Out"/"Trouble")                  12"
    "Trouble"("Trouble"/"Move Out"/"Contenders"&"Trouble"clubmix) d.12"
    "The Ballad Of Go Go Brown"("Ballad.."/"I Set You Free")        7"
    "The Ballad Of Go Go Brown"("Ballad"X2/"I Set You Free"/"Slow.")12"
    "The Ballad Of Go Go Brown"("Ballad"X2/"I Set You Free"/"Slow.")CDS
    "Train Of Love In Motion" ("Train Of Love In Motion"/"Work")    7"
    "Train Of Love In Motion"("Train"/"Work"/"Train"mix/"Giving Up")12"
    "Train Of Love In Motion"("Train"/"Work"/"Train"mix/"Giving Up")CDS
    
                               HEAVEN 17 - ALBUMS
    
    "Penthouse And Pavement"    LP
    "Penthouse And Pavement"    CD
    "Heaven 17"                 LP(US)
    "The Luxury Gap"            LP
    "The Luxury Gap"            CD
    "How Men Are"               LP
    "How Men Are"               CD
    "Endless"                   CD (Compilation)
    "Endless"                   Cassette (Compilation)
    "Pleasure One"              LP
    "Pleasure One"              CD
    "Teddy Bear Duke And Psycho"LP
    "Teddy Bear Duke And Psycho"CD (Extra tracks)
    
                         HEAVEN 17 - RARER ITEMS
    
    Rushed copies of "Fascist Groove Thang" with changed lyrics exist
    "At The Height Of The Fighting" exists in 7" format as a promo
    "And That's No Lie" 12" exists with 5 different covers
    Special remix of "Contenders" exists on a Prime Cuts 12" USA promo
    Studio Demo Tape of "How Men Are" was available to fan-club members
    Free Flexi with Commodore User Magazine featured Heaven 17
    Remix of "Lady Ice And Mr Hex" on free Electronic Soundmaker tape
    Initial copies "Endless" cassette came in black presentation box
    Electric Dreams film soundtrack features Heaven 17 track "Chaserunner"
    
                             HEAVEN 17 - VIDEOS
    
    "Industrial Revolution"
    
                             THE HILLSBORO' CREW 
    
    "Steel City (Move On Up)" ("Steel City"/"Move On Up")           7"
    "Steel City (Move On Up)" ("Steel City"Ext/"Move.."/"Move" bonus12"
    
                         HEAVEN 17 - JINGLES/ADVERTS
    
    Capital Radio
    Kelloggs Start (Featuring Steve Cram)
    
                        GLENN GREGORY - VOCAL VENTURES
    
                              - Tina Turner - all Martyn Ware productions
    "Secret Wish"             - Propaganda (track not specified)
    "Jones The Rhythm"        - Grace Jones ("Slave To The Rhythm" album)
    "Antilles"                - Midge Ure ("The Gift" album)
    "When Your Heart Runs Out Of Time"- Duet with Claudia Brucken
    "Backstabbers"            - Jimmy Ruffin - B side "There Will Never"
    "If You All Get To Heaven"- Terence Trent D'Arby ("Introducing"LP)
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

                THE BRITISH ELECTRIC FOUNDATION (B.E.F.)
    
    "Music For Stowaways"                                    cassette
    "Music For Listening to" (features "A Baby Called Billy")exportLP
    "Music Of Quality And Distinction"                             LP
    "Music Of Quality And Distinction"              boxed singles set 
    
                     B.E.F./MARTYN WARE PRODUCTIONS
    
    "Anyone Who Had A Heart"        - Sandie Shaw/B.E.F.
    "Ball Of Confusion"             - Tina Turner/B.E.F.
    "Secret Life Of Arabia" remix   - Billy McKenzie/B.E.F. M.O.D.LP
    "Soul Warfare"                  - Hot Gossip/B.E.F.
    "I Don't Depend On You"         - Hot Gossip/B.E.F.
    "Geisha Boys And Temple Girls"  - Hot Gossip/B.E.F.
    "Geisha Boys And Temple Girls"LP- Hot Gossip/B.E.F.
    "Soul Deep"                     - The Council Collective(Style Council)
    "Flesh And Blood"               - Allez Allez
    "Valley Of The Kings"           - Allez Allez
    "Promises"                    LP- Allez Allez
    "Those First Impressions"       - The Associates
    "Perhaps"                       - The Associates ("Perhaps" LP)
    "Let's Stay Together"           - Tina Turner
    "1984"                          - Tina Turner ("Private Dancer"LP)
    "Havin' A Party                 - Tina Turner (B side of "Two People)
    "Take Me To The River"          - Tina Turner (B side "What YouSee")
    "Wishing Well"                  - Terence Trent D'Arby
    "Wishing Well"Darbinian mix 12" - T T D'Arby (mixed by Martyn Ware)
    "Dance Little Sister"           - T T D'Arby
    "Sign Your Name"                - T T D'Arby
    "Introducing The Hardline"  LP  - T T D'Arby
    "Why Did You Do It"             - The Groovetrain (Nick Heyward)
    "United State Of Beat"          - Jeff Levy
     First Studio Demo Tape         - Blancmange
                                    - Empire
                                    - Dan Hartman
                                    - Jill Jones
    
    
    

    
    Apparently Martin Ware has produced the new Scritti Politi single 
    'She's a Woman'.
    
    There are a couple of albums called 'Methods of Dance Vol 1 & 2' which
    contain a number of the tracks listed in the last two notes. I've never
    seen them for sale anywhere except where I bought them (a rather shady
    record shop in Bournemouth which wsa finally forced out of business for
    selling bootlegs, where Benneton is now). Obscure, but pretty good if
    you like the H17/BEF kind of stuff.
    
    Mark

    Hang on, _I_ bought Methods of Dance in that very same shop.
    
    Always struck me as being an extremely temporary place, either just
    opening or just about to close, and they had an extremely eclectic
    collection of stuff. Shame it's gone.
    
    Piers

    
    I always reckoned it was the best record shop I knew, certainly a 
    millenium ahead of Our Price (is too bl**dy high!)...
    
    Mark

Those lads (BEF) that brought both Tina Turner and Sandi Shaw back into the
limelight (yes... they had Sandi before the Smiths) on album of cover versions
Music of Quality And Distinction 1 are back again currently in the process of
doing Music Of Quality And Distinction 2 (Scritti's She's A Woman will be on
this) 

M of Q & D 1 flopped as it wasn't really fashionable at the time (nearly 10 
years now !) to do cover versions.
 
Wonder how the latest one will do......


Peter 

    
    Well they'll sell one. I loved the Scritti She's A Woman (it having
    always been a favourite Beatles track too). Any idea who/what else'll
    be on it?
    
    Mark

New B.E.F. single is a cover of "Family Affair" which was a hit for
Sly And The Family Stone in '72.

There was a bit in last weeks NME about Sinead O'Connor and Glen Gregory (ex of 
H17) crashing into each other in Notting Hill Gate on their BMXs (!?!)

Peter 

    
    Re .14
    
    Unlike the Scritti Polliti version of She's A Woman, this is pretty
    close in sound to the original, which IMHO is a pity (Anyone can do 
    a record again, adding to it is the trick). However, to be fair it
    does sound more up to date than the original.
    
    Still, on a couple of hears, I wouldn't buy it as a single. 5/10.
    
    Mark

re last few

But do they sound as "terminally groovy" as Sly Stone??


Stuart

    Sly Stone - funky dude, but shame about the trousers.   Any other Sly
    fans out there?  I thought I was one of the few, even if LEonie won't
    let me listen to them!!  Is the best of  compliation (double album
    version) available on CD?
    
    Is Glen Gregory not in H17 any more?  Or am I thinking of someone else?
    
    Mikef 
    
    

   Are Martyn Ware and Ian Craig Marsh still running B.E.F.?

   The last I heard was that Heaven 17 had gone right down the pan.
   Shame.  Life's not the same without them.

   Nostalgia here I come.

   Goldy.

Sounds like he's left Heaven 17 (twice i've read "ex-of Heaven 17" after he has 
been mentioned in the press). So Martyn Ware and Ian Criag Marsh have 
presumably gone back to their roots and re-named themselves B.E.F. ... after 
all Heaven 17 was just a B.E.F. project after GG sang 2 cover versions on first 
B.E.F. album.

Peter

   re last

   Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!  It will never be the same again.
   Although Martyn and Ian are more talented musically than Glenn,
   but then, Glenn is a better singer.

   Any idea if Glenn's wife, Sarah, has any plans to re-issue her
   so-called singing career?

    re: Sly Stone 
    
    Sly Stone had a revival in 1986, but I'm afraid it didn't get beyond
    our apartment in Tucson.  Oh well, we tried.
    
    -Vicki

Isn't Sarah the one from Allez Allez and Kino... I made the mistake of asking 
Glenn Gregory how his wife was and would Kino be releasing an album. He said 
that she was in the studio. Afterwards I realised this may have been a fob-off
as a couple of weeks later there was a 4 page spread of Glenn and his "fancy 
bit" (which wasn't Sarah) in 19 magazine where they were wearing silly wigs.

Anybody heard of a group called Kiss That. Martyn Ware's wife Karen was in 
this band.

The reason why BEF's version may sound so like the original is that remake 
features Billy Preston who actually played on the original (he wasn't credited 
on the original because Sly and Billy had fallen out).

BEF originally approached Curtis Mayfield to sing on Family Affair but a few 
days later Curtis was involved in a serious accident which left him paralysed.
They then approached Sly himself but he was in de-tox at the time, then he got 
out but was re-arrested 2 weeks afterwards.

For other tracks, names from Mick Jagger to Kate Bush were approached, studio 
time with Maxi Priest was booked, but he didn't turn up.

Artists to actually appear on album are Mavis Staples, Chaka Khan, Billy 
Preston, Green Gartside and Billy Mackenzie(he appeared on 1st BEF album of 
cover versions).


Peter (now on holiday for a week ...Yippeee!)

                    <<< Note 441.17 by ODDONE::FIDDLER_M >>>

>    Any other Sly fans out there?  
    
    Well, there's George Clinton, who always credits Stone as a funk
    originator, and who keeps giving him album work (when it's Clinton's to
    give).
    
    "Family Affair", as one of the rawest-sounding songs Stone ever
    released, is a really bad idea for a cover. It's like trying to cover
    Young's "Tonight's the Night" or Big Star's "Holocaust"...
    
    Sir Nose

Music of Quality And Distinction Volume 2 released Monday 9th September

Wonder if they'll now finally release MoQ&D Vol 1 on CD 

Peter

    
    Despite earlier comments, She's a Woman is NOT in MoQ&D Volume 2.
    
    Family Affair is along with tracks by Tina Turner, Billy Mackenzie,
    Peter Darbyshire(? of Living in a Box?), Terence Trent D'Arby, and
    others. If you liked the original the mixture of artists suggests
    you'll like this one, but the lack of She's a Woman is, to me, a 
    terrible disappointment.
    
    Mark 

Highlights (I better say in my opinion, to counter the usual dissenting voices!)
are: Mavis Staples singing "Song For You"
     Billy McKenzie with "Free"
and  Green with "I don't Know Why I Love You" which I suspect will be next 
release (sleeve notes indicate that Green has done other versions of same song.

Also in sleeve notes, John Lydon is assured that the tracks that were done with 
him will see the light of the day eventually, but they didn't fit in with the 
concept of the album this time around.

Peter

re< Note 441.27 by WOTVAX::MOOREP "Hell will freeze before I stop believing" >
>
> and  Green with "I don't Know Why I Love You" which I suspect will be next 
> release (sleeve notes indicate that Green has done other versions of same song.


   I heard this song on my local radio station last week, a really beautiful
   song, so I guess it has been released.  I might try and get hold of a 
   copy.  Also, the DJ said it's an old Stevie Wonder song.  Thank God that
   Green doesn't sound like SW and that BEF are infinitely more talented.

   Jane.

Jane, I totally agree with you. What great taste you have !

I'm a bit disappointed with the 12" though as it is basically the 7"mix with a 
couple of extra chords in it. They have also made a strange choice of Bside -
it's Billy Preston singing the Beatles track " In My Life"....which grows on 
you, I suppose. 
Is this getting a lot of air play ? Family affair was Record If The Week on 
Radio One and this helped it along (even though that didn't even get Top 20)

The album doesn't seem to have charted yet either.

Peter.

   Peter,

   I've only heard it once on my local independent radio station.
   However, I've just been up to Virgin in Oxford Street and bought
   the cassette single.  So, if it's quiet this afternoon, I'll listen
   to it on my personal stereo.....

   Well, while I've been working, I've been listening to "I Don't Know Why
   I Love You" on my personal stereo.  It gets better the more I listen to
   it.  A beautiful sad song that throws so many memories at me, and just
   seems the right song for now.... Something about Green's voice too,
   not to mention the soothing arrangement of the music.

   Must be one of the best songs of the year.

   Jane.

Did anybody watch the Big Breakfast yesterday morning? I've been told there was 
an interview with Glenn Gregory about his new band "Ugly". Unfortunately I 
missed the program, but this morning I managed to get hold of a pre-release CD 
of the new single "Boom Is The Future". Not yet had the chance to listen to it 
though, but I suspect it will be very studioey and heavily produced as one of 
the band members is John Uriel (who I'm pretty certain has produced Claudia 
Brucken). Other band member is Ian Wright...whoever he is.  

    Well, I was watching last Saturdays chart-show on video last night (ok,
    so I've admitted it) and I was fast forwarding through the show (like
    you do) having a ten second burst of each to see if the song was worth
    listening to and I started listening to a track which sounded a lot
    like Heaven 17. I rewound it to see who it was and it turned out to
    be a band called, you guessed it, Ugly.
    
    So, in summary, Heaven 17.
                                                      

    Heaven 17 are playing live in the Wedgwood Rooms, Portsmouth, tonight.
    I wanna go see them!!! They've got very few tickets left at �8.50
    (bookable by credit card). It's very tempting!
    
    Goldy.