Conference marvin::uk_music

    I was never into the early Crimson, but I have "Discipline", "Beat"
    and "Three of a Perfect Pair". These three albums are so alike they
    could have been released as a triple album! They contain some excellent
    stuff, though, and are certainly one of the prides of my record
    collection. The sound is very modern and well produced (though still
    very obscure a la Fripp). Amazing guitar sounds and Tony Levin on
    the Chapman stick. Bill Brufords distinctive drumming. Very powerful
    and searching lyrics. Probably the most original sound I've heard
    in the 80's.
    
    I would recommend these three albums to any Crimson/Progressive/Modern
    Jazz  Fringe fan.
    
    Tony

	One of my most abiding memories is of viewing King Crimson on Top of 
the Pops in 196? doing 'Catfood' from 'In the Wake of Poseiden'. I guess TOTP 
was trying to be hip.

	I would second all that Mark says, personally I preferred the earlier 
KC to the later jazzy stuff but it is all damn good especially Robert Fripp's 
stupendous guitar work.

Nigel

Ah yes!, King Crimson, watta band!

My earliest memories are of listening to 21st C Schizoid Man on the 
headphones at our local record store on lunch breaks from school. This is 
now available on CD and (personal opinion only, NO flames), makes all your 
HM bands sound like Barry Manilow, play it LOUD!

I have Larks Tongues, also Lizard (original Island label, not the re-issued 
Polydor), Young Persons Guide, and Discipline and 3 Of A Perfect Pair.
I have heard all the albums however, and USA is very good too, a live album
with all the spontaneity, 'Asbury Park Lament' is a good track from that 
album.
I like the earlier and later band(s), a particular fave track has to be 
'Indiscipline' , Adrian Belew's vocals are a real stunner, he should have 
joined the band a long time ago!

Also of interest is the booklet which comes with 'Young Persons Guide', 
very informative, Fripp in nearly all the photos, is sitting on the guitar 
stool, strumming away, and from reports of friends who've seen the band 
live, he does this on stage too.

KC were on TV (TVS) about a year ago, unfortunately the vid wasn't handy, 
anyone else see that concert?, what a blast!, all the stuff from 
'Discipline' and 'The Beat' (probably my least fave album).


			Confirmed KC fan,

			Si

    A Austrian friend of mine asked me to buy "In the court of the crimson 
    king" for him when I was in England, so I did, then I played it
    then I kept it!
    	Didn't really like their later stuff as much but I've not heard
    most of those you guys classed as later albums, so maybe I missed
    something which d'ya fink is this best.
    
    		Steve

    The Court of the Crimson King - way ahead of anything else at the
    time, a mesmerising combination of 'cosmic' and 'manic', great stuff.
    
    In the Wake of Poseidon - if you like the first lp you'd like this
    as well, its similar but not as good, probably my least favourite
    Crimso lp
    
    Lizard - certainly broke new ground, with a largely augmented group
    (large amounts of brass and reeds, plus Keih Tippets *very* strange
    piano playing) definitely not easy listening, even by Crimso standards, 
    very modern jazzy sound.
    
    Earthbound - live lp, recorded on a cassette player, hence the cheap
    price tag. Very raw, an unbelievably heavy 'Schizoid Man', a couple
    of jams, and 'Groon", containing a long heavy drum/synth break.
    
    Islands - not very familiar with this one - less produced, sparser
    instrumentation than Lizard, contains a totally different 'Sailors
    tale' to Earthbound.
    
    Three lps that go together for me - Larks Tongues in Aspic, Starless
    and Bible Black, and Red. All 3 very good, with probably the stablest
    line up, the Bruford/Wetton/Fripp axis evident on all records. This
    line up just got heavier and heavier, but still displayed incredible
    musicianship and range of styles.
    
    USA - Ive only heard this one once or twice, any good?
    
    I'm none too familiar with the later stuff either, except for Three
    of a Perfect Pair, which I like a lot - it has some of the sound
    and feel of Brian Eno round about Before and After Science in parts.
    
    I've seen them live a few times, once with the mighty Jamie Muir
    on percussion as well as Bill Bruford - a memorable gig.
    
    Anyone care to have a go at listing all the different Crimso line-ups?
    8^) 8^)
    
    Bob                                              

    Re -1, No. But here is the line ups from the early period...
    
    Aug 67 - Nov 68  GILES, GILES AND FRIPP
    Robert Fripp/Pete Giles/Mike Giles/Ian McDonald/Judy Dyble
    realesed lp : Cheerful insanity of Giles, Giles and Fripp
             45s: One in a million/Thursday Morning
    
    Jan 69 - Dec 69 KING CRIMSON #1
    Robert Fripp/Greg Lake/Mike Giles/Ian McDonald
                                          left
                                            +------> Sessions/FOREIGNER
    released lp: In the Court of the Crimson King 
    
    Jan 70 - Aug 70 KING CRIMSON #2
    Robert Fripp/Greg Lake/Mike Giles/Keith Tippet/Pete Giles/Gordon
    Haskell/Mel Collins                   
    
    released lp : In wake of poseidon
             45 : Catfood
    
    Giles, Giles and Tippet left for solo projects
    Lake formed ELP. Fripp wanted to join as well but the E didn't want
    a guitarist so...
    
    Aug 70 - Oct 70 KING CRIMSON #3
    Robert Fripp/Mel Collins/Gordon Haskell/Ian McCullough
    
    released lp : Lizard
    
    Haskell left for solo work, McCullough joined Arthur Browns KingdomCome
    for a short while then went on to join Greenslade
    
                     
    Nov 70 - Apr 72  KING CRIMSON #4
    Robert Fripp/Mel Collins/Ian Wallace/Boz Burrell
    
    released lps : Islands
                   Earthbound
    
    Boz Burrell joined as singer, but Fripp taught him how to play bass. 
    During the Earthbound tour the entire band resigned but were persuaded
    to finish the US tour. On their return, Collins joined Kokomo, Burrell
    did sessions then Bad Company and Wallace eventually joined
    Streetwalkers.
    
    July 72 - Sept 74 KING CRIMSON #5
    Robert Fripp/John Wetton/Bill Bruford/Jamie Muir/David Cross
    
    released lps: Larks Tongues in Aspic
                  Starless and Bible Black
                  Red
                  Young Persons Guide to King Crimson (compilation)
    
    Cross and Muir left to disapear without trace. John Wetton joined
    Roxy Music, then Bryan Ferry Band, UK, Asia and the rest. Bill Bruford
    joined UK and did solo work. When this band broke up, Fripp said
    this was the last ever KC line-up, and Crimson was dead. His proposed
    solo album, "Last of the New York heart-throbs" didn't materialise
    but another KC did. 
    
    Thats my lot.
    Ken
    

    Brilliant and concise, Ken!! I knew much of that, but the parts
    on "what they did after Crimso" were great, that threw up a whole
    load of good bands. Mel Collins also did a stint with a pub rock
    kind of band called Dick and the Firemen (!) about 1974 - this
    comprised a combination of members of Patto, Kokomo, and other Ladbroke
    Grove r'n'b merchants, and they had at least two of everything!
    Previous to KC, Mel was a member of Circus.
    
    Apparently, King Crimsons first gig was supporting the Stones at
    Hyde Park in 1969.
     
    Now the big question is......
    Does anyone have the Giles, Giles, and Fripp record?
    
    Bob

    Ah the memories ....

    In my (humble humble) opinion, "Red" is perhaps the most underrated
    KC album (by the way, is it out on CD ??).

    Another little factlet - when the 'new' King Crimson first toured,
    they appeared under the name of 'Discipline' (I know, I saw them at
    Manchester Polytechnic :-) ).

    Cheers,

    Derek.

    I forgot to mention Pete Sinfield in the Crimson line-ups. Although
    not a touring musician, he wrote the lyrics of the early stuff and
    used to operate the light show. The last I heard of him, he had
    written the English lyrics for the Italian band PFM.  
    
    Talking of Crimson trivia, when Pete Banks left YES, they contacted
    Fripp as a possible replacement. Also, ELP was hatched on a US tour
    when Crimson supported The Nice.
    
    cheers,
    Ken

    re .8
    
    I rate red *very* highly as well.....and it is out on CD
    Apparently, the CD version is "not as wonderful as it might be"
    but not having a CD player I cant verify that.
    
    re Discipline - wasnt that the name of the band *and* an lp before
    Fripp decided to reactivate the name King Crimson?
    
    Fripp has also played with quite a few other people, most notably
    Bowie, but has also guested live with Peter Gabriel (under the
    pseudonym of Dusty Roads), and recorded with Eno (a couple of
    Frippertronics lps jointly credited to Fripp and Eno, and has appeared
    on several Brian Eno "solo" lps). He also appears as guest guitarist
    on A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers, which takes up one whole side
    of Pawn Hearts, by Van Der Graaf Generator - this band are not for
    the faint hearted!!!
    
    Does anyone know of any other Fripp extra-Crimso activities?
    
    Bob

    I have the first Giles, Giles and Fripp album as a Japanese Import.
    It is rather 'quaint' mid-sixties stuff, quite unlike Crimson. As
    might be expected the guitar playing is very good!
                           
    I am a big Robert Fripp fan, and have seen King Crimson three times
    in their 80s line up. They usually play material from the last three
    albums, but also cover the tracks Larks Tongues in Aspic part2,
    and Red.
    
    I would recommend Robert Fripp's first solo Album (called Exposure?
    about 1979). This was produced as part of triple album sequence
    with Peter Gabriel's 2nd or 3rd Album and Darryl Hall's solo album
    'Sacred Songs'. There should have been co-incidental release of
    these three Albums, all produced by Fripp. Darryl Hall's record
    company at first refused to issue his album because it was
    uncommercial. Fripp's Album was recorded around the time he was
    hanging around with Blondie. He guests on the track Fade away and
    Radiate.
    
    Also guesting on Exposure are Peter Gabriel and Peter Hammill.
    Definitely worth getting hold of.
    
    Anybody heard any of his latest stuff with Mrs Fripp (Toyah Wilcox).
    
    	Andrew Boddington.

    Re .3
    
    I totally agree with .3's opinion about 21st Century Schizoid Man.
    That track has to be the ultimate heavy metal record. Turn it up
    LOUD. I'm not a heavy metal person at all but I've got to hand it
    to that track.,
    
    
    Richard

    
    Fripp plays on Blondies live version of Bowies "Heroes", recorded at 
    Hammersmith Odeon.
    
    Kne

.13�    Fripp plays on Blondies live version of Bowies "Heroes", recorded at 

    I'm pretty sure he also 'guests' on Bowies version on the album
    'Heroes' doesn't he?
    
    			Si (still recovering from 21st C Schizoid Man)

    re other Fripp appearances - 

    Fripp produced the Roaches debut album, and played guitar on 'Hammond
    Song' on that album. This was later covered by the Colour Field and 
    released as a (flop) single.

    Cheers,

        Derek.

    Fripp did indeed play guitar on Bowies 'Heroes'....

    Robert Fripp has also played live on at least one occasion with
    none other than The Damned, although I can't think when or where
    it was.
    





    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

 This is great! i Knew there had to be Fripp, Crimson fans out there.
 I discovered Crimson via the Lizard album which a disk jockey gave
    me 'cause it was so horrible'. I was 13 or so at the time and had
    grew up on the beatles and beach boys. I though this band was playing
    a joke (and who the heck is that singer that cant sing!). Well,
    now i have all their CD's and...
    
    I couldn't understand why 'Starless and bible black' (the song)
    was on Red, It would have been great on the album 'Starless and
    bible black'.
    
    I know Fripp has been involved ( i think he is now the head of)
    a 4th way school (Not to be confused with 4GL) in west virginia.
    I believe he was teaching guitar to people who normally couldnt
    play so he made up new tunings ( i believe he uses some of them
    on Discipine beat ect). He also did an album using the students,
    i believe its called 'the league of crafty guitarists, a joke on
    his earlier 'league of gentlemen album. 
    
    I think if i had to recommend one crimson album, it would be Starless
    and bible black. There are some problems with the Island CD, there
    is noise on the master tapes i believe.
    
    Fripp was talking about a year ago about reforming the band (All
    the previous bass players went on to make big bucks), but i havent
    heard anything...
    
    Jay
    

    The USA album as some interesting things on it. I think when Crimson
    was on tour and they improvised in any city, they named the track
    after the town. Asbury Park on USA is an example of this. If you
    are a Crimzoid, you should have this album. The playing on it sounds
    tired compared to earlier bootlegs of Crimson tours, but the version
    of Easy Money on USA has different words and fades out, no reprise
    after the extended Jam like on the Larkes Tongue album.
   
    Easy Money came out after 'Money' by Pink Floyd, i wonder if they
    stole ideas  here for the sound of the song?
     

    
    
       Crimso's finest hour???    Easy Money. (Closely followed by 
       Starless & BB, off Red).
    
       I have In the Court..., and all from Lark' Tongues onwards but
    am  missing Three of a Perfect Pair. How does it rate? Is the early
    stuff in the shops at all? CD or LP? 
    
      My only Crimson concert was Liverpool Empire circa 1974.
    Astonishingly good but attendance not so good (Some people can't
    tell class if it hits them). 
    
      Am gradually educating my wife in the merits of KC. Like many
      people, I imagine, she needs some time to realise just how good
      it all is. 
     
      Apparently a Robert + Mrs Fripp tour is mooted (underway?).
      It must be at least half interesting. 
    
      Notes on his other projects v. interesting - didn't realise the
      amount of work generated.
      
      Let's keep this conf. going.. It's good to find others of similar
      fine taste.
    
      John Piatt FS 
      
    

    re:20    Fripp and Mrs Fripp? must be a joke eh? Is he married? 
    I wonder if it will be like his 'frippertronics' tour. Great music
    to code by. 
         
    I agree about easy money, but its the sound on the last verse that
    blows me away;
    along with that little drum riff that Bruford does (that i cant
    figure out!)

    Yes h'es married to }gasp{ Toyah Wilcox!
    
    Should be an odd musical venture to say the least

    A personal favourite of mine has always been the long track, Starless,
    off the Red lp, as well as th second (segued) side of Lizard
    
    Bob       
    

    
    who is Toyah wilcox? I'm from the US and don't know her.  they'll
    probably put out a 'The Fripp Family sings' album. I always felt
    that Starless should have been on Starless and Bible Black. Can
    you make out all the words to Starless? I cant make out the words
    on the 'Ice blue silver sky/fades into grey/to a grey hope ****/
    can you make it out. 
    Lizard was a unique album, i think keith tippet who i understand
    is a 'real' jazz player, adds alot to the album. Sinfield called
    the shots on that album. I like the part on side II of Lizard where
    the two armys meet and there is the build up. I think the first
    song on side II of lizard was a minor hit. Happy family was about
    the beatles. 
    
    fallen angel off red was one of my favorites. I cant make out the
    words to 'one more red nightmare'. Wetton wrote that one, maybe
    its best i dont know them! 
    
    

    Which album has a tune called 'Talk' or something on it? I remember
    thinking "that 's good', but can't remember the name of the record.
    
    Certainly one of the more recent ones.
    
    Richard.

    RE:24
    The track you're thinking of is "Elephant Talk" from the "Disipline"
    album, released about '81 if I remember rightly. This was the first
    of 3 albums recorded by the same line up (Fripp, Bruford, Tony Levin
    & Adrian Belew)- amazing, since all previous efforts during their
    initial burst (1969-1974) had constantly changing personnel.
    
    Any news of late?
    
    Julian.
    

    Fallen Angel, One More Red Nightmare.....ahhh, classics all!
    Not to mention Nightwatch, with one of Fripps most moving solos
    
    re . 23 - Toyah Wilcox.
    
    She is an ex-punk (appeared in Derek Jarman's film "Jubilee")
    and sometime musician and actress. Her band, also called Toyah
    had one or two quite big hits in the UK round about 1980, when a
    lot of "post-punk" (hate that phrase!) bands seemed to be getting
    into the charts - groups like the Undertones, Jam, Costello, Squeeze
    etc.
    The two Toyah hits I can remember are "It's a mystery" and "I wanna
    be free" - lp's include "Sheep Farming in Barnet". Not exactly punk,
    but that kind of gauche late 70's stuff, with cranked up guitars,
    lots of keyboards and assertive vocals - her music is quite
    distinctive, she was even flavour of the month once.
    I can't quite see where the interface between Toyah's and Robert's
    music is - if it works it should be quite interesting, though....
    
    Bob
    

	Toyah Wilcox has a new album out called 'Prostitute' that I read a
review of the other day, it was described as 'interesting'. I think the Fripp
family must be on tour at present as I noticed that they were playing in
Salisbury last week. This is not far from Wareham in Dorset where Mr Fripp
comes from and still lives I believe. 

Nigel

    reply to .20
    
    In _MY_ opinion, 3 of a perfect pair is a bit commercial. I like
    the title cut. I know fripp hated the way bruford was playing drums
    or EXCUSE ME, percussion on the album. Of their 3 new albums, i
    would rate it last.
    
    I don't know whats in the shops over there ( i would like to have
    a look though!), here, all the CD's are in the shops, so you shouldn't
    have trouble finding them at the big record shops like Virgin records
    since they are all imported from over there. One problem is that
    the Islands CD has garbage on the master tape on the first cut.
    From what i see in the notes filehere, mr. Fripp must be done with
    his stint in the '4th way' school in the US.
    
    Its great being able to talk to other Crimson fans for a change.
    
    jay

    I remember how sad I was when Ian Mcdonald and Mike Giles left the
    band because so much had been expected from KC.
    
    My favourite songs are "I talk to the Wind","In the Wake of
    Poseidon","Starless and Bible Black (from "Red") and "Frame by Frame".
    
    The Top of the pops performance in 1970 was at a time when the
    producers were aware of the impact of the the progressive bands
    which is why bands like "Bloodwyn Pig" also appeard on the show.
    
    I always felt that the Boz Burrell line up was a mistake in that
    the chemistry appeared to be miles away from that of the first line
    up.........
    
    
    JJ

    i believe also, that Fripp had to teach Boz how to play bass. I
    think he said that in the notes to 'Young peoples guide to..".
    Of course Ol' Boz went off with Bad Company and made $$$$$$.
    
    I'm still trying to figure out why 'starless and bible black' isnt
    on the album w/ that name!
    
    j

    
    Regarding the confusion about STARLESS ......
    
    The song called STARLESS in on the Red album (12:18), and there
    is also the song STARLESS AND BIBLE BLACK on the album of the
    same name (9:14) ........
    
    Adrian Belew has done 2 solo efforts while with KC, and also now
    has performed/produced 2 albums for the band - The Bears .......
    
    I love Belew's stuff, and The Bears are a good, solid bar band, classy
    rock 'n roll with graet harmonizing .....
    
    I stood leaning against the stage for 2 consecutive shows from the
    Discipline tour at Perkins Palace in Pasadena, California back in
    1980, it was awesome ! Fripp barely moves, perched on his stool,
    and Bruford is ALWAYS amazing !
    
    My faves are Starless and Bible Black, Lark's Tongue, and the last
    3 releases ..........
    
    NOTE: It's rumored that Tony Levin will be joining the reformed
          Yes, with Anderson/Bruford/Wakeman/Howe !
    
    Regards KC'ers !
    
    - Andy

    	Is there any news on what Robert Fripp is up to? Has he put
    out any music lately? Is he going to? Now that Bruford and Levin
    have joined "Yes" I look for him to do something to top what they
    have put out.
    
    
    Vinny

    Last i heard Fripp has a new band called FRIPP with his new wife. its
    a three piece power trio. they've done some rehersing, i don't know if
    they have played any UK giggs.
    
    i saw a cassette in the bargin bin of a department store called "the
    Lion and the Lady" with fripp and his wife and the guitar orchestra of
    his. turned out its his wife reading some story and fripp making noises
    in the background. it belongs in the bin! i did enjoy frippertronics
    stuff though.
    -jay

    Yes, that Fripp Guitar Orchestra is not exactly easy listening,
    although I can stand to hear the Fripp/Eno No Pussyfooting once
    in a while.
    
    Bob

>>        <<< Note 229.34 by WELMTS::GREENB "Very clever with maracas" >>>

>>    Yes, that Fripp Guitar Orchestra is not exactly easy listening,
>>    although I can stand to hear the Fripp/Eno No Pussyfooting once
>>    in a while.
    
Wow! What a devotee - you can have my copy when yours wears out!

Steve (A not quite so devoted Fripp fan)

    Thanks Steve. That should be some time around the year 2016.
    
    Bob

    FWIW .....
    
    Robert Fripp is playing in Boulder, Colorado this mid-October, 1990,
    with The League of Crafy Guitarists ........
    
    Should be interesting !
    
    - The Doctor

    Why hasn't anyone mentioned:
    
    I Advance Masked
    Bewitched
    
    Both albums are by Fripp and Andy Summers (ex Police)
    
    Well worth listening to.
    
    Clive
    

 I don't like those early albums which were half under the control of Pete
Sinfield, so much, including "The Court of Crimson King", 'cos they are so
dull, lazy and toooo much sentimental! Why don't you put them deep inside your
record-shelf and pick more magical, magnificent, and incredible "Red", "USA"
etc?! Can you return to dismal "In the wake of Poseidon" after you've
experienced "The Larks Tongue In Aspic Part II" of "USA"(Note "USA" live
version!)?

    Does anyone know what is on the YOUNG PERSON'S GUIDE TO KING CRIMSON
    compact disc? 
    
    I understand there is an obscure B-side, "Groon," (?) 
    but I don't know what else.
     
    

    Re .40
    
    I can't recall the entire listing, but it does include 'Groon' which
    was, I believe, the 'B'-side of Cat Food.
    
    Also included is a previously unreleased version of 'I Talk To The
    Wind' with a female vocalist (name something like Judy Dybol?), recorded
    on a fairly primitive machine.
    
    Plus 'Starless and Bible Black', 'In The Court Of The Crimson King',
    'Moonchild' (without the long, meandering piece after the vocals), 'The
    Night Watch' and a Mellotron/Fripp guitar instrumental ('Starless'?).
    
    This is all based on memory - can someone give marks out of ten?!
    
    Ian
    
    

    Talking of -1 is right. It includes "Groon", different version of "I
    Talk to The Wind".
    Songs were selected by Fripp. The CD is widely sold in Japan but I've
    never seen it, here, Nashua, Boston.
    The songs are mainly chosen from the early days except "Red", "Lark's
    Tongue in Aspic Part I".
    
    Sugi

>>  Does anyone know what is on the YOUNG PERSON'S GUIDE TO KING CRIMSON
>>  compact disc? 
    
    Wes, here is the full track listing for the original 2-LP set (sorry, I
    don't know if it's a single or double CD, or if they've edited/deleted
    any of the tracks) :-
    
    Epitaph
    Cadence And Cascade
    Ladies Of The Road
    I Talk To The Wind     
    Red
    Starless
    The Nightwatch
    Book Of Saturday
    Peace - A Theme
    Catfood
    Groon
    Coda From Lark's Tongue In Aspic Pt.2
    Moonchild
    The Dream
    The Illusion
    Trio
    Court Of The Crimson King
    Return Of The Fire Witch
    Dance Of The Puppets
    
    - Dougie

    Well, let me thank you *and* the Music Master catalogue for that
    listing. 
    
    My CD catalogues from the UK, Germany, and Japan show this to be a 2-CD
    set available from Japan only, on Virgin. One source I'm aware of
    stocks this disc set at about $45.00. Anyone, feel free to write to me for
    more info.  
    
    That's a good track listing...I have in the past owned (and sold) the
    first and second LPs, and also Starless and Bible Black and Lark's Tongues
    in Aspic. As of now I have only Lark's Tongues on CD.  

    I went and checked in my local music store at lunch time to see if I
    could confirm the track listing to 'Young Person's Guide'.  I couldn't
    find it (which bears out the statement in .44 that it's only available
    in Japan).
    
    However, I did find another offering called 'The Compact King Crimson'
    which contains most of the 'In The Court Of The Crimson King' album
    (except 'Moonchild'), nothing from 'Poseidon', 'Lizard' or 'Islands' and 
    then a selection from the later albums.  I guess this is intended to
    fulfil the same purpose as 'Young Person's Guide'.
    
    Ian
    

    
Let's play another game! This one's called "What Album (if any) Is It On?"
    
    
    Epitaph                	In the Court of the Crimson King
    Cadence And Cascade         ?
    Ladies Of The Road          ?
    I Talk To The Wind          In the Court of the Crimson King
    Red                         Red (I assume?)
    Starless                    Red (I assume?)
    The Nightwatch              Starless and Bible Black
    Book Of Saturday            Larks' Tongues in Aspic
    Peace - A Theme             ?
    Catfood                     ?
    Groon                       ?
    
    Coda From Lark's Tongues
    in Aspic Pt. 2		Larks' Tongues in Aspic
    
    Moonchild			In the Court of the Crimson King
    The Dream                   ?
    The Illusion                ?
    Trio                        ?
    Court Of The Crimson King   In the Court of the Crimson King
    Return Of The Fire Witch    ""
    Dance Of The Puppets        ""
    
    
    I'm disappointed that the churning, guitar-intense 
    "Great Deceiver" isn't on AYPG. Also, "Indoor Games"...
    
    If anyone owns this two-set disc, how's the sound quality? My
    experience with Japanese CDs is that they're high-quality. 
    
    King Crimson was one of the best bands of the 70's, vastly overlooked
    in the U.S. because they didn't have a hit single and remaining a 
    favorite among "progressive" music fans. Did they fare better
    elsewhere, as in the U.K.?

From memory:

	Cadence and Cascade	In the Wake of Poseidon
	Ladies of the Road	Islands
	Peace - A Theme		In the Wake of Poseidon
	Catfood			In the Wake of Poseidon

I don't know the others.

I have the LP version of The Young Person's Guide to King Crimson (*MUCH*
better than Compact, which I think has more songs on the LP than the CD) but
would love to find a CD version.  Or maybe I should just go out and buy all the
albums on CD like I've been meaning to do but for lack of disposable income.

Paul

    Interesting to hear "YOUNG PERSON's..." CDs are only sold in Japan.
    I'll get it on next home leave.
    
    An album I really want on CD is "U.S.A". If you've experienced "Lark's
    Tongue in Aspic Part II" following "Heavenly Music Corporation", you
    won't be enjoy the non-live version of the same song anymore. I
    believe that live-version is one of the greatest achievement of Rock
    Music!
    
    Sugimoto

    Re .46/.47
    
    .47 is correct.
    
    Groon was only ever a single, as far as I know.
    
    The Dream & The Illusion are parts of Moonchild (In The Court Of The
    Crimson King), but like so many of those early tracks that had
    subsections, I defy you to tell me where one part ends and the next
    begins.  (Thinks: if they are properly segmented as separate tracks on
    the CD, you could tell.  Are they?)
    
    One obscure piece of information.  After they left King Crimson, Ian
    McDonald and Mike Giles made an LP called (wait for it...) McDonald and
    Giles.  It also features Peter Giles, and a guest appearance from
    Stevie Winwood (playing organ).  One of the tracks from that LP (I
    can't remember the name - it'll come to me as soon as I have entered
    this Note!) - claims to be the original melody for Cadence and Cascade. 
    I'll check the LP when I get home tonight.
    
    I was/am extremely fond of the early Crimson stuff.  They virtually
    invented a new genre of music which came to be called 'pomp rock' and
    included Yes, ELP, Genesis, Pink Floyd...etc, and tended to be
    characterised by virtuoso musicianship as well as grandiose/pseudo
    classical melodies and instrumentation.  I think it's a great shame
    that this style of music has gone out of fashion.
    
    Ian

    
    Re 'Young Person's Guide...'
    
    WoT not '21st Century Schizoid Man'? Every young person ought to hear
    this (loud) if they want to hear REAL Heavy Metal!
    
    Richard.

    
    USA is an awesome live recording !
    
    But they play "Lark's Tongue in Aspic", not "Part II" of the same .....
    
    Part II is on the "Three of a Perfect Pair" album, the last one
    with Belew/Fripp/Bruford/Levin ...........
    
    - acp

    Re .49
    
    The track on 'McDonald & Giles' which uses the original melody to
    'Cadence and Cascade' is called 'Flight of the Ibis'.
    
    That might do nothing for you, but it makes me feel better!
    
    Ian
    
    PS - I've always thought 'McDonald & Giles' sounds like a farmers'
    collective...
                 

    
    re.48
    
    	The "live" one is Part II, Part I is the 1st song on 
    Larks. Part III is on TOAPP.
    
    
    Vinny

    A topic.
    
    I've just got "Frame by Frame". Crimson's latest best album of 4CD,
    including unreleased lives(Gee! No "USA", neither "Earthbound"!).
    
    A question.
    Where's Fripp, now?! I'm eager to see his new project(see above). Can't
    I meet him in New York? Hasn't he lived there?
    
    -Sugimoto

    
    I see 'In The Court of the Crimson King' was nominated as one of the worst
    albums in the last 25 years by Q Magazine!
    
    Richard

   
    re -1
    
    � I see 'In The Court of the Crimson King' was nominated as one of the worst
    � albums in the last 25 years by Q Magazine!
    
    Surely not! Whoever said that should have their ears syringed pdq!
    
    H
   

    
    I tend to agree with you. I think what Q were trying to do was
    highlight chart topping albums that had basically failed to stand the
    test of time. I guess in that light the album is most definitely
    entrenched in the early 70s. However, I think that's one reason why it
    IS good. It captures the era beautifully.
    
    Richard

    Did anyone hear the interview with Robert Fripp on Radio 1's Newsbeat
    last night?  I normally listen to it on the way home, but last night
    for some inexplicable reason (pretensions to be being intellectual?) I
    was tuned in to Radio 4.
    
    I just got in the front door in time to catch the end of it, but I
    didn't hear enough to understand why Fripp was being interviewed.  My
    wife said she thought she'd heard something about an opportunity to win
    a complete boxed set of Crimson albums (drool...).  Can anyone put me
    out of my misery and tell me what it was all about?
    
    Ian
    
    PS With reference to some of the preceding Replies, King Crimson may
    not have stood the test of time, in the sense that their music was very
    much of its time, but how many of today's groups will be the subject of
    Notes like this in twenty years time?

    
    Heh Ian, Newsbeat has been News 90(whatever) for nearly 2 years now!
    I reckon you've been sneaking a listen to Radio 4 for a while. :^)
    
    I listen to radio 4 usually now (no pretension, it's just better than
    Radio 1's prime breakfast prat!) and I've noticed that News 91's
    'Special reports' are usually just Radio 4 today's articles repeated.
    I should have guessed that the teen bopper channel's only semi-serious
    programme was stolen from elsewhere!. Does anyone else recall a few
    years ago when Radio 1 evening programming included a lot of talk
    programmes? Obviously the average Radio 1 listener is akin to the
    average Sun reader! 
    
    Mark

    I've just been told that two King Crimson albums I wanted on CD are no
    longer available in that format.  Anyone have unwanted copies, or know
    where I can get them?  Albums are:
    
    In The Court Of The Crimson King
    Lizard
    
    Only CD please - I have the vinyl versions.
    
    Mail me (Ian Currie @UBO) or phone 7 843 6381 if you can help.
    
    Ian
    
    PS - I've also posted a note in the CDSWAP conference.

    �     <<< Note 229.61 by ODDONE::CURRIE_I "Dyslexic snice brith" >>>
    �                         -< Wanted - KC CD's >-
    �
    �I've just been told that two King Crimson albums I wanted on CD are no
    �longer available in that format.  Anyone have unwanted copies, or know
    
    
    Blimey...who told you this...it wasn't "Our Price" was it? (Having said
    that, I've found that most big chain shops (including Tower) have staff
    who will just give you an off-the-cuff answer without checking the
    facts! 
    
    If they aren't going to be available on CD, what media will they be
    issued on - cassette only? I find this strange, as most companies seem
    to be re-releasing their back catalogues on CD, not deleting them. 
    
    If I do see any copies, I'll let you know...
    
    Rgds
    
    Harv

    re-2.  I'll have a look around Ian.  Maybe digging out some mail order
    companies is the answer if they are not generally available, or
    speaking nicely to someone from the other side of the Atlantic?
    
    Mikef

Last month(maybe), Prof. Fripp held a gig with David Sylvian in Japan.  Of 
course, David is from notorious JAPAN.  Funny thing was, I read in a Japanese 
keyboard magazine, the audience was completely separated, one group was girls 
wanting to see David performing, and the another was boys, guys wanting to see
Prof. Fripp's guitar work.

Hmm, interesting. But what's that matter?

What stunningly amazed me was David's answer to an interviewer. Here's the 
humble translation.

I: "David, we know you were invited to next honorable vocalist of Crimson."

D: "Not really. Yes, I admit there was a rumour. But I don't think I jibe with
    Crimson."
(Absolutely.)

You see?!  Prof.  Fripp is plotting VI (V or VII?) King Crimson!  Yeah, it's 
pretty good time to see their(who?  besides Prof.  Fripp?) re-debut! Since 
Prof.  Fripp tend to form pre-Crimson band just before real Crimson(remember 
last Crimson was named Dicipline before the album was released), I guess next 
will come from SAOTW.  Then, ooh, dream goes on!, King Crimsom will have the 
first female vocalist!(Sure!  I know 'I Talk to the Wind' was once recorded 
with female vocalist.  But it's rare item.)

The another story.

The other day, I went to N.Y to see the gig of 'League of craft guitarist'.  
You know, Prof.  Fripp is real professor in his guitar school in Virginia(how I
wanted to be a student!).  Prof.  Fripp appeared in request to short interview.
I can say he's not so tall, extremely polite, calm gentleman, with a bit high 
voice.

/Sugimoto

    re .61 
    
    I saw In The Court Of The Crimson King in Barnsley this weekend. If you
    still want it, I can pick it up for you. I think it was about �7-99.
    Also saw a new ELP album !! Yikes, what next, dinosaurs lumbering the
    Earth again. Oops, I've already mentioned ELP's latest :-)
    
    Balders

I've just finished listening to the four-CD set called "Frame by Frame", a
history of King Crimson from its earliest days to its last recorded output.

Apart from much excellent music (including a whole CD of live stuff), the 
package includes a booklet that presents a history of King Crimson in the form
of various reviews and articles. It contained one or two thing that I didn't
know, such as:

*  Bryan Ferry auditioned for them

*  So did Elton John


Chris

What are they like? (style) I ask since my brother once commented that Fields
of the Nephilim reminded him of King Crimson, he might've been joking but I
don't think so.

								- JIM CAD*

    Jim
    	drop by my desk and I'll lend you a cd.