Conference marvin::uk_music

    Genesis are a funny bad. Their music has changed so much over the
    years. Since Wind 'n weathering, I think they have not really produced
    anything of worth. The "Invisible Touch" is probably their best since
    Wind'n... but still not something I would buy. Although their tour,
    which I did not get to see, was supposed be one of their best. 
    
    				Gru�
    					Mark

    
    I was with a mate over the weekend, and we couldn't stop reeling
    out all the names of the tracks on "Selling England", "Foxtrot"
    ('Watcher ....' is still great), "Nursery Chryme" and "Trespass"
    (lovely stuff).  This was a period when the band were taken to the
    hearts of UK rock fans.  They were pretty big by the time they hauled
    "The Lamb ..." around the world, just over one hundred times - quite
    something for a band in those days.
    
    Theatrically, it's certainly one of the top there has *ever* been ....
    lights and lasers seem to have taken over now.  Yep, they still had
    that underground / progressive feel about them then.  I left them
    when Gabriel did .... sure they made some great sounds in subsequent
    albums, but it was different.
    
    Fondly remembered.

    David.
    

    666

    Dave, -.1
    I feel exactly the same about Genesis, something left them when
    Gabriel quit - I think its this sense of 'overwhelmingness' that
    can still be found in PGs music, its just an incredible emotional
    thing that takes you somewhere else, difficult to describe.
    Well do I remember rushing out to buy Trick of the Tail, and the
    ensuing disappointment after playing it 2 or 3 times. I tried to
    like it, but...... Ive felt the same about everything theyve done
    since as well....(looking back, I think you can almost sense it
    coming on The Lamb; they started moving away from their very 'English'
    sound to a more polished techno production, this lp is like the
    transition to post-Gabriel Genesis)
    Did anyone else see them during their theatrical period? I saw them
    many times during the Trespass/Nursery cryme/Foxtrot/Selling England
    period - their presentation of Suppers Ready was completely
    overwhelming.
    The first time I saw them (pre Phil Collins) PG had to sit down
    and play his bass drum with his good leg, the other being broken.
    This was in a small sports hall in Potters Bar (!) the same day
    Grand Funk Railroad and Humble Pie played Hyde Park. Genesis and
    5 support bands all for 50p!! 
    
    Bob
    

    RE: -1
         
    This nostalgia thing really does me in .....
    
    Agree with you Bob - great views about times gone.
    
    Ah yes, the Charisma tour packages - what great value for money
    they were - think Van Der Graff and Lindisfarne also played on some
    too.
    
    "The Lamb ..." just started to break them in the US, but after PG
    left, they became superatars over there.  I still think it's good
    that they play some of the old tunes now and again, although it's
    about 10 years since I last saw them!!!!  I do have "Seconds Out"
    which I quite liked.
    
    David.
    

    
    Yeah, I too really like Invisible Touch.  I'm a real PC fan (except
    his new one which I think is yuuuuuck) and it was a real (pleasant)
    surprise.  Its a real sort of uP aNd DoWn album.  Some is of typical 
    Genesis sound, but different to what you would expect Phil Collins 
    to produce, and some is of real PC era, the sort that you would
    never expect Genesis to come up with.  Anyway the albums comes up
    with the goods and, as we heavy metal fanatics say, kix serious
    bum ;-)
                                
    BTW - fav track is 'Brazilian'.                              
                                
    -Tony

            <<< HEART::DISK$TOOLS:[NOTES$LIBRARY]UK_MUSIC.NOTE;1 >>>
                          -< The UK Music Conference >-
================================================================================
Note 421.0                      GENESIS & RELATED                     No replies
WLDWST::DRAKE                                        15 lines  12-MAY-1989 23:38
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Any news on the upcoming Phil Collins album? Tour? Those of us
    out here in California are always the last to here and see Phil
    and the big "G"!
    
    What do you mates over on the Queen's property think of the new
    Daryl Stuermer album?
    
    I'm anxious for a Phil or Genesis album- Mike & the Mechanics
    canceled the San Jose show because Paul Carrak got sick & did
    not reschedule.ERRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!
    
    on a side note, I heard that Kenny Jones has gotten together with
    Paul Rogers to form a band- any news?
    
    Al(a big time Genesis fan from way back)

    RE 7.
    The release date for Phil's new album is yet to be set, but I
    hear the album should be out by end of August.
    In the mean time, I suggest you check out GENESIS' latest live
    video, "The Invisible Touch Tour", shot at Wembley Stadium, London,
    England, during their 1986/87 World tour. 
    
    
    JVE
    
    PS See also DREGS::MUSIC, Note 182.11-
     

    WANTED
    ======
    
    GENESIS "In the beginning..." documentary (Super Channel,autumn '87)
    on VHS cassette.
    
    
    JVE
    

    Who is distributing the Invisible tour vid? I am also looking for
    a copy of "In Concert"(1977) and "On The Road With Genesis"(1978).
    Any Help? Hit & Run's address, distributors?
    
    Al Drake
    WLDWST::DRAKE

    Since I'm here and haven't been able to get this conference for
    weeks, is the old Trick of The Tail video stuff available?
    
    Al

    Not sure who the official distributors are, but I have a copy of
    the "Invisible Touch" concert if you want to borrow it.
    
    Julia

    Where are you located? I'm out here in California. If you are accross
    the pond, it would be a little bit of a throw!
    
    Al

    Al
    
    This may be difficult - I'm over in Basingstoke, UK.
    
    Julia

    
    Hi,
     Having been a fan of Genesis for sometime and 'er in doors has
    been badgering me for as long as I can remember, does anybody out
    there know if or when Genesis will be touring next. I ask because
    we would like to see them in the flesh as apposed to vinyl..
    
       Alan.
    

    The schedule as far as I've heard is a Phil Collins album in late
    89 with a tour in 90 and a Genesis album and tour in 90/91. Tony
    Banks(keys) has a new album out that is suposed to be rather good.
    I don't have it YET. It's called Bankstatement. Daryl Stuermer has
    a realllly great solo out also.
    
    Al

    HELP!
    There is a term in 'Selling England by the pound' which I'm not
    familiar with.
    What on earth is 'PAPER LATE'?!
    Anyone?
    
    E.W.
    

    Late or Latest edition ?

    Yeah...it means latest edition of a paper (newspaper).  Didn't they put
    out an ep with a song called Paperlate, can't remember the lyrics tho'.
    
    Mikef

Yes they did put out a single by that name.  50%  of the lyrics of it ARE 
'Paper Late'!


Al (a die hard genesis fan)

        I believe that Paper Late appears on the fourth side (studio side) of
    the Three Sides Live disc set and was also released as a single.
    
     
    
    					Pat

    In USA yes, in the UK the fourth side was made up of old live material
    ( Watcher of Skies and stuff??  Can't remember the titles.  seem to
    recall it was recorded in mid/late 70s).
    
    Mikef

    RE .9 and anyone who is interested...
    
    I've got an hour-long ish VHS video of them playing stuff around Nursery
    Cryme days. It's Belgian I think, and it is well worth a watch.
    
    	Andy. (in Reading if you want it)
             

	I heard way back in January that Genesis were going to start recording
a new album in April. It's now October and I've heard nothing more. Any UKers
out there heard anything about a forthcoming album?

	Peter Hunt
	NaC Engineering (Australia)
	OZROCK::HUNT

    The album is apparantly complete. Haven't heard the release date yet,
    though I seem to remember it was originally scheduled for the end of
    October.
    
    Ian.

    re .24 �         -< New Genesis album on the way? >-
    
    	Their first new single for 4 years "You're No Son of Mine" has
        been released. A note on the back says the new album "We Won't
        Dance" is out soon.
    
        Ian.

      
      Have heard the new Genesis Single "You're No Son Of Mine" on the radio.
      Dave heard that the new album "We Won't Dance" will be released in Nov.
      But I think that they do like to dance, as the single was more commercial
      than Collins stuff. Oh good, what a band, and what a kind of dull music.
      This album will be the first Genesis album, I'm not going to buy.
      
      |PETER|_dissapointed
      

    Re .27
    
    My sentiments exactly.
    
    B

   Bought "No Son of Mine" on cassingle on Friday.  Brillian, typical
   Genesis song.

   Goldy.

      
      I think, that "One For The Vine", "Ripples", "Dodo", "The Battle Of The
      Emping Forest" are typical Genesis Songs. No song since the "Genesis"
      album is typical Genesis. Also the progressive "Home By The Sea" and
      "Second Home By The Sea" are sounding too commercial.
      Money makes the world goes round. I have seen them on their in the early
      '80s. They did a great concert incl. "Supper's Ready" and a lot of other
      classics. I saw them also (surely for the last time) on their "Invisible
      Touch Tour". 60.000 people in the stadium. Not a kind of a "Genesis Gig".
      More than Michael Jackson. Phil said: "Well, we're going to play some new
      songs! And we're going to play some old songs." This was his first lie.
      "The only typiclal old Genesis Songs, they did were: "Firth Of Fifth" and
      "Los Endos". Genesis was not a pop band. But now they are.
      
      |PETER|

    re .30
    
    At the risk of repeating myself; Bravo, well said, etc, etc...
    
    Started to give up on Genesis around the time of Abacab, received
    Genesis and Invisible Touch as presents. I then saw the Invisible Touch
    tour and vowed 'Never Again!'
    
    Balders 
    (Who laments the passing of Genesis in the early/mid 80's)

	I agree that their style has changed, but I don't think that
means they've sold out. Sure, "Genesis" and "Invisible Touch" are a far
cry from "Trick of the Tail" or "Duke". But then the rest of the industry
has changed a heckuva lot in those ten years.

	They have become more commercialised - "Invisible Touch" (both the
album as a whole and the single especially) appealed to the mass market.
But "Domino", "The Brazilian" and the ballads still have some of the flavour
of the earlier style.

	I really like their older stuff (post-Gabriel, I must admit), but
I think it would be boring if their style didn't change. I just think they've
evolved with the industry. And I still think their music is streets ahead
of most of what you hear on the radio. The rhythms, the structure of the music
are still original and inovative.

I don't think you can look at a band which has been changing so continuously,
and label one or two albums as being "typically Genesis".

	I disagree with the comment that "No son of mine" is more commercial
than something Phil Collins would write. Any Phil Collins single from "..But
Seriously" is more mainstream, and musically "safe" than "No son of mine".
(As an aside, I liked ..But Seriously, and I like PC, but PC is not Genesis).
Musically speaking, NSOM does some pretty unusual things - no way could you
mistake it for Phil Collins.

	This goes double for "Living forever" the other song on the MSOM single.
Written by Tony Banks, predominantly, IMO, and its style harks back to
"Wind and Wuthering" days - ends with a long instrumental dominated by
percussion and keyboards. I think "We Can't Dance" will be less commercialised
than "Invisible Touch" was.

	Peter.

	who can't WAIT for the album to come out.

	Re -1
    �	who can't WAIT for the album to come out.
    
    	It was released on Monday! 
    
        Ian.
    
        (P.S. Great album).

>
>    	It was released on Monday! 
>
>       Ian.
>   

	Great news!. Unfortunately, living in Oz means that we won't get it
for a few weeks yet :-<

	Looks like I'll be haunting the local music shop for a while.

	Peter.

	If nobody else will say it, I will:

	'We Can't Dance' is a great album! Never mind the few 'hit
	songs' (which are actually not bad) on it, there's lot of
	incredible power playing on it as well...I've been liste-
	ning to Genesis for about 20 years now, and I'll say this
	one is back to the old standard from 'A Trick Of The Tail'
	(one of their absolute masterpieces, IMO). Just give it a
	chance, if you really understand Genesis music, this one will
	grow on you.

	Track 3 (Driving The Spike?) is a heartbraking strong song
	with *bleeding* bass lines. It took me a while to get used to
	the mix, though, the bass is not recorded so clear as it was
	years ago. But Mike is playing more now, than he did on the
	last 3 albums. His guitar parts are also a great contribute
	to the special Genesis sound, I think I really recognize it
	on this recording. Tony Banks does some very fine keyboards
	on the last track f.ex., and Phil Collins allows himself to
	have a more 'live' sound on his drums (exactly what I like).

	PLAY IT LOUD, folks! ;^)

	Poul

	I'm really getting to like We Can't Dance too. The diversity and quality
of the music is astounding. The first six songs on the album are completely
different in style and feel.

	There's definitely a presence of the Genesis of 10 - 15 years ago. Poul,
you're exactly right when you say there's a song straight out of "Trick of the
Tail" ( I take it you were talking about "Fading Lights" ). This song has the
almost soulful sound of old, with a fabulous 4� minute instrumental dominated
by keyboard and drums. Another song, "Living Forever", has a similar feel.

	There are some definite "singles" songs on the album, though. "Never a
Time" is a typical Genesis ballad, and will probably be the next single. There
are other songs which have a style popular enough to be singles, too.

	But this album is a far cry from Invisible Touch. Some songs are
recognisably "recent" Genesis, and some are recognisably "older" Genesis,
but there are others which are a completely new sound for them. Don't worry;
they HAVEN'T jumped on the "dance mix" bandwagon - it's all quality music.

	If you like Genesis, this album will really grow on you. If you liked
the Genesis of old, but have gone off them because of recent albums, give 
"We Can't Dance" album a few listens - you'll be pleasantly surprised. If you
have never liked Genesis, there's nothing on this album to change you're mind,
because despite the diversity, it's still all Genesis.

	Peter.

    "And it's hey babe!
     Your supper's waiting for you...."
    
    Oh dear, quite an experience dragging this one out for a walk the
    other night. And do you know what? I quite liked it again after
    all this time. Top song it is. 
    
    barry. 

    Agreed, Barry. I drag it out for a listen about once every two years
    (along with Selling England).
    
    BOb

    
    
    I herad genesis were thinking about bringing out a new album in 96
    
    have any on you got any info on this.
    
    
    Cheers,
    J.D