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Conference 7.286::golf

Title:	Welcome to the Golf Notes Conference!
Notice:	FOR SALE notes in Note 69 please! Intros in note 863 or 61.
Moderator:	FUNYET::ANDERSON

Created:	Tue Feb 15 1994
Last Modified:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	2129
Total number of notes:	21499

689.0. "Cutting shaft vs choking down" by CSEVEN::DANIELE () Thu Jul 20 1989 09:59

    See also note 216.
    
    I bought a set of clubs off the shelf a few years ago.  They feel
    great, I love hitting them, but I choke down on each club.
    
    I don't choke down for more control, or to hit lower shots, etc.  I do
    so because that gives me the proper lie and feel for my stance and
    swing plane.
    
    Now, I'm thinking of having the shafts shortened, so I can grab them at
    the ends for once.  There are many topics in this conference about
    club modifications and effects on swingweight/feel, etc.  But it seems
    to me that there won't be any difference in EFFECTIVE swingweight.
    
    Yes, cutting an inch of a shaft will lower the swingweight, if you held
    it at the end before and after.  Gripping down on the club will also
    lower the swingweight that you FEEL.  Since Iim used to this feel, I
    don't believe I'd notice any difference if I cut them down.
    
    If swingweight is a measure of the club's moment of inertia with respect
    to my hands, then losing the inch of shaft above my hands can't be
    significant.  Thoughts?
      
    Mike

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
689.1	You are right...	MSEE::KELLEY	Custom clubs/club repair	`Thu Jul 20 1989 12:02`	15
	Mike, You are right... you wouldn't "FEEL" much if any difference in the swingweight. You could have the swingweight increased after the inch is cut off so that the clubs would have the same swingweight that they have now... BTW. swingweight is measured on a scale with a 14" fulcrum... You also mentioned that by choking down you get the proper lie. Could be that you might want to have the lie adjusted instead of cutting them down... Let me know if I can be of any help... Gene
689.2	how do they do that?	CSEVEN::DANIELE		`Thu Jul 20 1989 14:36`	6
	Thanks Gene, but could you explain how swingweight is measured? I don't understand what you mean by 'a 14" fulcrum'. Also, any thoughts on who could do this and what the tab might be? Mike
689.3		SA1794::TENEROWICZT		`Thu Jul 20 1989 14:39`	7
	Wouldn't choking down effectivly change the diameter of the grip that the golfer see's under their hands. If the shafts were cut dawn and then grips installed wouldn't the new grips now feel large in diameter than the previous set-up? Tom
689.4		OBRIEN::KEVIN	Custom Clubs & Repair	`Thu Jul 20 1989 15:14`	29
	RE: .3 Yes the grip will be different, it will appear larger but that can be fixed. RE: .2 Swingweight is calculated by taking the sum of the moments about a point 14" from the butt end of the shaft. You sum the moments from there to the balance point, from the 14" to the end of the club minus from the 14" point to the butt. The inch ozs are then converted to the letter & number designation. As for bending the clubs, if they are cast clubs chances are they can not safely be bent. If they are forged they can usually be adjusted. A shorter club will appear to have a more upright lie. Changing the lie and gripping them "normally" could however really screw things up. I'd suggest taking them to a competent club fitter. (Gene's a good choice because he can always call in his consultant from Vt. :-)) Have him check the lie with the tape test (he'll understand). If that works out then hit one of his clubs (he makes them short) to see how they feel. Then decide from there. Just to confuse matters even more though, the latest theory in clubfitting it to backweight clubs. The theory is that by overcoming the additional weight in the butt, you'll generate more clubhead speed thus hitting the ball further. By gripping down on the club you are effectivily backweighting it. Just something to think about! Besides if it ain't broke, why fix it? KO
689.5	the only secret is sound fundamentals	WOODRO::GORDON		`Fri Jul 21 1989 13:58`	8
	} Just to confuse matters even more though, the latest theory in } clubfitting it to backweight clubs. The theory is that by overcoming } the additional weight in the butt, you'll generate more clubhead speed } thus hitting the ball further. why not just take more club if you want to hit it futher?????
689.6		OBRIEN::KEVIN	Custom Clubs & Repair	`Mon Jul 24 1989 13:51`	10
	re: .5 >> why not just take more club if you want to hit it futher????? That works fine for you and me but some folks just gotta pound it out there a mile. I'm sure you know the type! KO
689.7		KOOZEE::WARFIELD	Gone Golfing	`Mon Jul 24 1989 18:09`	7
	re: .5 >> why not just take more club if you want to hit it futher????? Because I don't have anything higher than my driver ;-) Larry
689.8	ping black/red lie	ACESMK::RESIDE	Well, I mighta gone fishin	`Tue Jul 25 1989 13:13`	10
	re: .4 I know someone that owns a set of pings that were originally black (standard lie). He bought them and found out later that he needed the red (1 or 2 degrees lower). His pro sent them to ping and had them bent to the red lie. The pings are a cast club, right? They (ping) even painted the dots on the back of the clubs from black to red.
689.9	Cast irons can be bent...	MSEE::KELLEY	Custom clubs/club repair	`Tue Jul 25 1989 13:49`	6
	Bob, Cast clubs can be bent (not more than 2 degrees is recommended though). Gene