Conference 7.286::golf

    I like the way Tom Kite swings at his mid irons, then there is Paul
    Azinger's wedge shots that I love, all body - he's a good example
    of what to do to avoid the shanks. Off the tee, I'll have to agree
    with Gene - Fred Couples (also my hero).
    
    I don't care what clubs Mark Calcavecchia hits, even know I'm one
    of those "traditionalists" Gene is talking about, but I do hope
    he keeps on winning.
    
    My pick in The Hawaiian Open is my hero - Fred Couples, he's been
    right in there every week.
    
    Gene is Calcavecchia you hero, I'll bet you both have to tie you
    shoes pretty tight.

	If you believe the horses for courses then the favorite must
	be Cory Pavin.  However I believe that this is the sort of
	event that Lanny Wadkins will do at.  Easy course, shoot out
	the lights.

	Larry

    
    	Pete, 
    	
    	You were coorect in assuming that you were one of the
    	traditionalists that I was referring to. I must say that
    	Calcavecchia is NOT one of my favorite players.
    
    	You must admit that I don't have to tie my shoes quite
    	as tight as I used to...!
    
    	Ed,
    
    	Lanny one it last year and I wouldn't mind at all seeing him
    	win again this year...
    

    	My top ten favorite players would have to be...
    
    	Tom Kite
    	Tom Watson
    	Paul Azinger
    	Lanny Wadkins
    	Fred Couples
    	Ben Crenshaw
    	Greg Norman
	Gary Player
	Arnold Palmer 
    	Jack (of course)
    	
    
    	Not necessarily in that order and not necessarily for the
    	way they play the game...
    
    	Gene

    If Hale Irwin can get hit by a ball again early in the tournament, he
    may have a chance :^)
    
    Seriously, he was playing  very  aggressive at the end and the people
    liked it!
    
    Tavo

    re: .0, .1
    
    	I agree with couples swing...very smooth and truly a SWING
    
    	Also like Don January's swing...neither he nor Couples ever
    force a shot because it seems as they both know what Ernest Jones
    meant whe he said " Swing the clubhead...."
    
    Somedays I feel as if the clubhead is swinging me...!!!
    

    	I'll stick with my GD sweeps pick of Sandy Lyle. He's playing
    real good golf also, with a couple of 2nds thus far.
    
    
    Keith

    When it comes to golf swings I've always liked Jerry Pate's.  Now that
    he's back on tour maybe we'll get a chance to take a look at poetry in
    motion.
    
    
    						KO

    One thing about Couple's swing that I try not to emulate is his
    backswing.  He takes it way past parallel.  I was having some trouble
    with my swing last year and my pro told me thats what I was doing
    too.  I watch Chip Beck now.  
    
    Chuck

    	Read in last nites paper that Calcavecchia, Jones, Kite, Lyle,
    and O'Meara won't be playing in Hawaii. We'll have a new addition
    to the winners list. Curtis won't be there either.  Geez, if I were
    a touring pro, I wouldn't want to miss a nice visit to Hawaii.

    
    I am very surprised to hear that the hottest players on tour,
    right now, passed up a tourney...! Did anybody read any thing
    about why they didn't go...? 
    
    Well at least my man, Watson, is there...
    
    Gene
    

    I know that Sandy Lyle flew back home for 2 weeks and won't be back
    til Doral.

    I'm at the office and can't remember the players name, but I think
    it begins with "W"(first or last name).  Anyway he is tied for the
    lead after the first round.  And, he has been playing some great 
    golf the last few weeks.
    
    Watch out for him.                           
                                                  
    How about the Masters?  Who's gonna win there?

    After watching the Hawiain Open yesterday, I'm convinced on how
    to improve my score by 4 shots a round. All I have to do is to get
    a crowd of people ring every green that I hit to and once it hits
    some poor sole it will bounce back onto the green so I'll be looking
    at bird instead of the boggy that I should have gotten.
    
    For those of you who didn't watch it, the winner skulled a pitching
    wedge over the green on the 18th, it hit a specator and bounce back
    almost on the fringe, for which he chipped in for a 4 (bird).

    
    RE 13
    
              This is a good point. It really makes me laugh when people
     complain about those who take a preferred lie. When we hit a ball
    we don't have 300 people watching the ball for us. The pro's couldn't
    loose a ball if they wanted to. The fairways are manicured for them,
    balls and equipment they use are the best money can buy. They don't
    fight the crowds to tee off and have nothing else to do but practice
    all day. " Well now here is Crenshaw 175 yds from the green and
    he seems to be discussing with his caddy what club to hit". What
    do you think Joe should i hit the 5 or the 6 iron? Well Ben I would
    hit the 5 iron right at that lady in the blue sweater. The pin is
    in the back and if you nail her or any of those fools standing on
    the apron you'll be 10 feet worst case. 
    Maybe I should take my kids with me and have them stand on the apron
    and stop any balls that go long, that's a stroke saver. 
    So you take a preferred lie , BIG DEAL, you still got a long way
    to go to get even with the pro's .
    
    

    	I'm all for taking a preferred lie, when playing in a league
    or tournament, where it is legal and others are doing it.  But if
    you're playing in a league, or in a tournament, or even on a course
    where the rules prohibit preferred lies, then you should never take
    them.
    	RE -.1  Why do you feel you should get an edge to get equal
    with the Pros?  When you play baseball or softball, do you get 4
    strikes instead of 3, to get even with the Pros?  When bowling,
    do you get 3 balls instead of 2 for each box?  
    	The Pros in Golf, are just like the Pros in any sport.  Sure
    they have better equipment and better playing conditions too, but
    99% of them had to work very hard to get where they are today. 
    And don't forget, you don't have anywhere near the pressure on you
    to play well, as a touring Pro does.  It's his livelyhood, not just
    something he does for fun.  Although I'm sure he/she has fun doing
    it.
                                                      Beak

Re. -1, I think you are missing the point, when you bowl you play on the same 
lanes as the pro bowlers do, they are not modified, when you play baseball the 
playing field does not matter. But when you golf the course condition I feel
matters greatly, put a pro on green medows and see how well they putt.

    so what are you talking about ? you want preferred lies on the green?
    or just more gimmies.
     don't you love listening to golfers looking for the first excuse
    of the year as to why they missed a putt, after they teed it up
    in front of the markers, tooka perferred lie in the fairway, moved
    the ball outa the footprint in the trap, then three putt.
    
    besure to mark the score card before you put the pin in.
    
    outlaw lollygagging
    thats NOT a gimmie
    putt it
              bob

re. -1, if you read reply 13, I said that I could shave 4 strokes off my handicap
by playing under the conditions the pro's play, ie crowds around greens, great
conditions, smooth putting surfaces, it does make a big mental difference.

What is lollygagging?

    RE ..18
    	I'm not trying to attack you or anything, but if you played
    under the same conditions as pros do, and also played the same courses
    and tees the pros do, I'd be willing to bet your handicap would
    go up 4 or more strokes, as opposed to going down four strokes.
    
                                                     Beak

re. -1, you have a good point there

    lollygagging means:
    
     your on the first hole but you walk like its the 36th that day.
    
     you line up 3 foot putt from 4 different views and it for a triple
    
     your never ready when its your to hit / putt
    
     you start to notice cloud formations instead of the 2 open holes
    in front of you.
    
     you put your bag/cart on the wrong side of the green
    
     you add up and write down all scores on the green
    
     you go to your partners ball, stand and watch before you go to
    your own ball
    
     the one guy/group you want to play through on the first tee
    
    
     sorry i didnt mean to jump all over you case
    
    bob
    

    RE: .19
    
    Course lengths are deceiving...
    most people only pay attention to what they read in the
    paper or what is on the card for length...what is really
    more important is how the course plays. This can be directly
    affected by how it is maintained, and the pro's play on
    the best maintained courses in the world. Golf in New England
    in the winter gives me the roll on my tee shots that a pro
    gets all the time...ya know what..even I can reach a 459yd
    par 4 with that king of roll. And I've done it for the
    last two winter golf seasons at Sagamore-Hampton golf course
    where they have a 459 yd par 4 which I've reached in two
    many times the last two years under winter conditions i.e.
    frozen fairways...where you get 25-40 yds extra on your drives
    I think the point that the previous noter was trying to
    make was that under the best conditions, YOUR HANDICAP
    SHOULD GO DOWN...not up!!

    
    Everyone saying that New England golf takes the roll out of the drives
    thus making you not able to reach the par 4 the pro can reach because
    of his roll is wrong.  Did you watch any of the US open last year, or
    ever go to or play at Pleasant Valley, how about even playing at 
    Ferncroft (Women pros play there every year.)  Check out how narrow
    courses are, how thick the ruff is then compare to the fairways and
    ruff at local courses you play. True, professional fairways are alot
    nicer, but look at the penalty they have for missing it. 
    
    Anyone who played Amherst CC 2 years ago when they had it ready for the
    NH Am. They thinned down fairways, let the rough grow etc. For the most
    part, these so called "good" golfers had alot harder time. They would
    miss a fairway and pay for it. 
    
    Next time you go out, keep track of how many fairways you miss by
    5-10 feet. Notice how thin and short the rough is? If you were on
    a pro level course that same rough would probably be ankle deep and
    very thick.
    
    I have seen a touring pro play a local club (Jim Hallet). On a course
    that had wide fairways, a little thicker/longer rough than usual and
    average local greens, this guy shot a 61 (-9). He had never seen the
    course before.
    
    --Bob
    

I take back my good point in the previous reply, if I were playing from the pro 
tees, the course rating and sloop would be much higher, therefor not effecting
the handicap as much as conditions would.

re lollygagging

you couldn't be more wrong about calling me a lollygagger

re. -2 

I was at The Country Club, I've been to PV, I've played Amherst CC 2 years ago
and the rough on all those didn't impress me as being long, watch on TV, that's
not rough they are play out of but our fairways. 

    re: .23
    In .19 I was assumming the pros were hitting 75% or better on
    their tee shots...this is what I have observed while watching on
    T.V.
    
    It doesn't suprise me what Halet did, I expect a player of his caliber
    to hit 75% fairways and 60-70% GIR and on a wide open course
    he should score that well...
    
    re: all  Don't misinterpert what I'm saying in .19
    I think these players are the best in the world and are all
    great at what they do...I'm just saying don't sell yourself
    short when it comes to playing EVERYDAY, UNDER THE BEST CONDITIONS,
    WITH THE BEST EQUIPMENT, etc. etc.
    
    Years ago I saw an interview with a professional baseball player
    on a T.V. show and the interviewer was falling all over himself
    with questions about how good he was and all that stuff but the
    professional said something to the effect that the best baseball
    players, basketball players, golfers, etc. are out there in the
    real world and only play at the sport because they have jobs and
    other commitments...that he was the one who was fourtunate because
    he was at the right place at the right time under the right circumstances

    I think that if we weekend golfers played a course set up like a tour
    course, we'd find out how mortal we really are.  Before a tour event,
    they stop watering fairways, making them hard.  More roll equals more
    distance you say?  Yes but where does it stop rolling?  In the fairway
    or in the rough?  Since we don't hit them all down the middle, I'd bet
    that we'd miss more fairways than usual.  As a result we'd miss more
    greens.  Have you ever played a course with hard fast greens.  Tour
    players have come to my course and have remarked how the greens are
    like a typical tour event.  (slower than Augusta, the open but still
    quick)  Believe me my friends you have no idea what it's like.  Perhaps
    the best description would be putt down your driveway and try to keep
    it 2 feet short of the street.  Trust me I know these things.  Yes the 
    playing conditions will have an impact on your handicap even if the
    course is the same length as normal.  The slope system does not take
    factors like firmness of fairway, speed and size of greens into
    account.  I suspect that handicaps would go up.
    
    As for playing the ball up or down.  Unless you play on a course that
    hasn't seen fert, seed or water since the summer of 63, I don't see
    where it makes a difference.  None of us can hit the ball well enough
    that rolling it over makes a tinkers dam.  There's one simple rule on
    the golf course, you hit there, you hit out of there.  If you can't hit
    the club you want, go take a lesson and learn how.
    
    
    						KO

I played the Disney courses a couple of days after the Pro's had finished their
tournament.  The rough is tough.  (I pity the course you play at if it is like
the fairways at the course you play at.) Also the rough generally surrounds the
greens and is very tight.  You don't bounce balls on.  Missing the green will
probably cost on average 1/2 a stroke because it will be tough to chip out of
the deep rough.

The pros do have advantages like galleries to help stop balls, find balls, and 
stomp down the rough for when they really miss the fairway bad.  The greens are 
smooth.  The fairways are rolled so that they generally won't get a flier off 
the fairway.

However the good courses they play at are generally longer, tougher, harder 
than the average course we play.  I speak from experiene I've played Pebble 
Beach, Spyglass, Harbour Town, Disney, Kingmill, Princeville, TPC at Sawgrass, 
and Pleasant Valley.  Every time I've played (from the whites, not all the way
back my score has taken a slight increase over my handicap).  If the pro's 
shoot up the course one year the next year they generally find that the members 
have toughened it up, moved back some tees, sped up the greens, etc.  No one 
likes their course to be embarassed, especially on TV.

I read an editorial in Golf Digest that pretty well summed it up.  The Pro's & 
Amateurs play different games.  Our scores would be better at our courses if we 
have the benefits of the tour like conditioning, marshalls, etc.  Their scores 
would be worse at their courses if they had to play under similar conditions as 
the average golfer.  (Find your ball in a foot print, play it that may!)

Luckily this is one of those issues where there is not right or wrong answer 
but golfers can argue over it after 18 or during the winter while we wait for 
spring to arrive! :-)

Larry

re. -1, you're right, we could go down this rat hole for the rest of the 
winter, but there is one thing I know, that is I just feel better playing
on a course where the tee's are like greens, and the greens are so smooth
that if I miss a putt, it's me that missed the putt.

I was a member of Charmingfare last year and they keep their fairways very
very long, last year The Country Club's rough was as high as our fairways up
there, and the rough - forget it, let's just say you didn't want to hit it 
into the rough at the fare. 

    	If you hit it into the rough at the U.S. Open, you'll need 
    marshalls just to find your ball!!!  That's rough!!!  And I have
    a friend, Tom D. where are you???, who played Pebble Beach a year
    or 2 ago.  some of the stories he told were incredible.  How, around
    most of the greens, you were indeed better off, as the announcers
    always say, to be in a greenside bunker, than in the rough around
    the green.  Tom is a pretty fair golfer, around a 6 handicap around
    here, and he said you just could not keep the ball within 30 feet
    of the pin, and a lot of times even on the green, when chipping
    from the rough around the green.
                                                       Beak

    Boy did I miss a lot yesterday. That's what I get for going skiing!
    
    One thing I want to point out about the pros that seems to have
    been missed. Yes, the pros play on very well manicured courses but
    the distances and narrowness of the fairways and greens more than
    make up for it. I played PV right after they had the Bank of Boston
    Classic and I'll tell you the rough was a pisser. TV makes this
    stuff look very deceiving. You get in that rough and you have to
    hit 2 clubs down (4 iron instead of 6 iron) to get the distance
    you need.
    
    I feel the only real affect the gallery has is around the greens.
    Not too many pros stray so far from the fairway that they are hitting
    from trampled grass. If they stray that far, they usually have a
    very tough shot.
    
    About their equipment being the best money can buy... you know you
    can buy the same equipment if you have the money and so desire.
    If you are a double digit handicapper, I suggest you don't. Ever
    hit a broken bat single in baseball? That's what most of your shots
    will feel like using the pros clubs. Equipment does not help the
    pros. They play what they can hit. They are fantastic ball strikers.
    You may not score as well or feel the pros can score as well with
    the clubs in your bag, but why should they use those kind of clubs?
    You use them because you can hit them. The pros use their clubs
    because they can hit them. Here's a neat experiment. If you ever
    go into a club place that caters to all levels of golfers, find
    the best set they stock (maybe Wilson Staffs or Sounder Tour Blade)
    and then go to their practice net and hit a few shots with the 4
    iron or 5 iron. Hit about 20 shots. I bet you mis hit at least one
    and the club will let you know which one you mis hit.
    
    The pros use Balata covered balls. I dare you to use them too. After
    2 holes I bet the cover looks like it went through a meat slicer.
    
    The point is, anyone can use the same equipment that the pros use
    but this equipment is not suited for everyone. I had a 2 handicap
    at one time and started using Balata covered balls and still had
    to replace the ball every 4 or 5 holes. That gets expensive. For
    1 shot per 18 holes, it was not worth it.
    
    Another idea to think about: how many times does a pro really hit
    a spectator and get an unfair advantage around the green? Those
    guys are good. Out of 100 pros on a par 3, I would bet that only
    5 would come close to the gallery and get an advantage. Personally,
    I don't miss greens by inches to have a gallery help me. When I
    miss, I miss deep in the gallery.
    
    I feel what separates us from the pros is practice, practice, practice.
    As it was mentioned before, their job is golf. The play golf for
    their salary. The better they play, the more money they make. They
    don't get an automatic $50,000 per year for being on the tour. When
    they have made $50,000 they havce earned it. Curtis Strange did
    not earn $1 million dollars last year by missing greens constantly
    and getting spectator help. The man is a shot maker and he is a
    shot maker because of practice.
    
    I am a software engineer by choice. They are pro golfers by choice.
    Fruit for though: I spend 8 - 10 hours a day at my job. Imagine
    what kind of golf I could play with that kind of dedication and
    time? You can't play as well if you only pay weekend golf. And then
    expect that you could play better with spectators surrounding the
    course. I know it would not make a difference to me.
    
    Mike

mike

I play wilson staffs.

    I play Wilson Staffs too. And let me tell you my hands certainly
    know when I have that occasional mis hit!
    
    Mike

    I've got to go along with Mike and Kevin on tour setup courses.
    I played the Open course at Brookline last year and the previous
    year (the rough was MUCH tougher the previous year!), the Open course
    at Shinnecock, the British Open Course at Royal Troon several weeks
    before the tournament, and Muirfield Village, and believe me, you
    do NOT want any of 'em from the tips!!
     With the fairways cut close, the ball sits down more than most
    weekend players who sweep the ball would like. My idea of a typical
    New England course that is first rate but with lush fairways is
    Vesper. I played a practice round a few years ago with a friend
    who was in the Mass. Amateur, and they were WATERING THE ROUGH!
    No roll on your tee ball, and break your hands gouging it out of
    the rough!
    
    --Jack (the Skoal Bandit) Varley (who may be taking further punishment
    at Butler National And Medinah this summer...)

    I've always liked George Archer. Maybe because we're the same height,
    weight, build. I've kept an eye on him since he won the Masters about
    20 years ago. He's won a few, been competitive for a stretch, slipped
    back, and kind of disappeared. BUT - have you noticed the finishes
    lately? He's been in the top 10 in a few tournies this year, and always
    finishes in the top half.
    
    Now, George is 48 years old. He's playing highly competitive golf with
    the youngsters on the regular tour. Lee isn't. Jack isn't. All the
    press is about how Trevino will rip up the seniors.
    
    I have a prediction -- old, plodding George is back, and he's
    improving. I predict that he will come in in the top three in a regular
    tour event this year or next -- and two years from now Archer -- not
    Trevino -- will be the Monster of the Seniors.
    
    You heard it here first.

    Hi,
    I agree that George Archer will do well as a senior golfer. Anyone
    with feet that big need have great balanceers for their swing!
    
    Seriously, will Lee or Jack be "hungry" enough to play for the Senior
    Tour purses? George is one that has alot to gain and he still hungry.
    
    We had an old Lab retrieving pheasant for him during this years
    PV tournament(down at Slaterville). He was called a great shot there
    due to his great eyesight.
    
    Ever seen a winner that liked to lose, had poor eye/hand coordination
    or who was not hungry??????
    Tom    
    

    	Another name to look for on the Senior tour in the near future,
    will be one Raymond Floyd.  Should he decide to play there, look
    out.  And some of these guys may decide to play both tours.  Gary
    Player plays in at least 5 or 6 PGA events today, along with his
    schedule on the Senior tour.
    
                                                      Beak

    a couple of names to watch on the senior tour.....
    DEWITT WEAVER: a big hitter solid player, i caddied for this guy
    a few years ago 77-67 missed the cut by 1( 3 putted the 8th) our
    17 hole.
    LARRY ZIGLER: another big hitter(drove the 9th at PV
    
    these guys should be out this summer
    
    bob

    Well, George Archer finished a little above mid-pack in the San Diego
    yesterday. 69-69-71-69 I think it was. Another steady outing against
    guys half his age. If he stays on this game and keeps grinding he could
    end up like Chi Chi -- a guy who was never a standout on the regular
    Tour, who then makes a fortune in the Seniors. I hope he does.
    
    I think Lee is targetting the Seniors as his playground. But Nicklaus,
    as he admits, is now only a "ceremonial" golfer. I think he plays to
    keep his name out there, and to boost his other businesses.
    
    Although he's a relentless self-promoter (read Boswell's "Strokes of
    Genius; great book anyway, with good stuff about Player"), I've always
    liked Player. I followed him during practice at the open. He hit his
    approach into the incredible rough on the right side of #11, right at
    my feet. He came up to play it, took this battered old sand wedge. I
    asked him how he would play it. Real nice guy -- he turned to our area,
    and game us a short lesson. Told us what he'd do, then did it. Put the
    ball about 3 inches from the cup! Then he stayed around for a while,
    practiced the shot a few more times, and gave us a few more tips. I was
    impressed with his willingness to give something to the crowd. He
    didn't have to, but he did.

    
    	Well, after watching yet another tourney covered by CBS
    	(the Doral Open) I have to say that I feel their covered
    	leaves a lot to be desired...! You would think that there
    	were only 12 people playing in the tourney and you didn't
    	even get to see all of those 12 even...! They showed the
    	entire leader board only once (that I saw)...
    
    	Couples had a good tourney, now if he could only get rid
    	of those few mental lapses on some of the greens...! He
    	even out drove Calcavecchia by "52" yards on one hole,
    	and Calcavecchia felt that he hit his onw shot pretty good!
    
    	To bad Calcavecchia fell apart on the last hole. Actually
    	both Calcavecchia and Glasson fell apart a little on the
    	back nine, they were both 15 under at one point and Glasson
    	finished at 13 to win and Mark ended at 10 under in a three
    	way tie for third. Couples came in second...
    
    	Anybody else have any thoughts on CBS's coverage...?
    
    	Gene

    	Gene, I didn't get to see any of it on Sunday, but I thought
    the coverage on Saturday was okay.  They showed mostly the last
    5 r 6 groups, but realisticly, to show more, they would have to
    be on the air 4 to 5 hours.  Most people are just like the galaries
    there, that is they want to follow the leaders.  So that's usually
    what television provides you with.  They showed the leader board,
    at least the top 10 or 15 golfers, at every commercial, before and
    after the commercial.  I thought it was okay.
    
                                                  Beak

    gene, i hear ya...
    
     how about Ken Venturi telling us mark calcavacia had NO CHANCE
    to get that shot close(on 18 hitting 5 from the ruff) if you hit
    50 shots he couldn't do better than that. come on i didn't think
    that shot was that tuff. i was hopeing buddy gardner would do more.
     can you belive the prize money ??
    
    234 k    i shoulda moved to arizona when i was 10 putting the 
             sticks away for 5 months just doesn't make sence
    
    bob

>>>  They showed the leader board,
>>>  at least the top 10 or 15 golfers, at every commercial, before and
>>>  after the commercial.  I thought it was okay.
    
    
      Beak,
    
    That is just what I mean, they "ONLY" showed the top 12 players.
    There happens to be interest in other players also....! I would
    think that they would be able to show the entire leader board
    more than once during the tournament... My thoughts only...
    
    Gene

    Re:< Note 521.43 by MSEE::KELLEY "Custom clubs/club repair" >

    I agree  with  you  Gene.    I was interested in knowing how Seve was
    doing, and only found out at the end of the broadcast.
    
    Tavo

    	Okay, Gene I can buy that.  But you must be talking about the
    Score board, not the leader board.  Because how can a guy who's
    in 50th out of 70 guys who made the cut, be considered a member
    of the leader board???  :-)  I couldn't resist.  
    
                                               Beak

    I really prefer to watch golf on ESPN during the first two rounds
    of golf. I find myself glued to the TV. On sat. I find myself
    switching to a different show every so often. 
    
    On ESPN you get to see everyone on the course when they are
    broadcasting. If they make a great shot or a lousey shot you see
    it. It makes me feel better to see the pro's screw up like most
    hackers. They may not hit the bad shot to often but they still hit
    them.
    
    On the weekend coverage they only show you the leaders and rarely
    show you a bad shot. You didn't see three different angles of 
    Mark C's show going into the water yesterday now did you. It like
    they only want to portray the image of "Perfect" golfers. The only
    time you see someone on the weekends mentioned that is not a leader
    is when they hit a great shot. Hole it from 200 yrds. or sink a
    60ft. birdie putt. 
    
    
    Like I said I prefer ESPN. You get the great and the not so great
    shots. (I couldn't say BAD, Nothings bad about a round of golf.)
    
    
    
    Tom.
    
    Who likes to see the pro's humbled

    I just put on the tape machine, then during the following week after
    wife and kids give up on tv and when I have nothing else to do I
    sit down with the remote to the vcr and watch only the parts that
    interest me i.e. setup on iron shots and tee shots...this way with
    the remote for the vcr I can fast forward through the bull and
    comersials(?)
    I can also rewind to look at a sequence I'm most interested in over
    and over if I want...basicaly I agree with all previous noters that
    the coverage does leave a lot to be desired...but then again - 
    golf isn't something that has the action of the Knicks press against
    the celtics or a L.A. Lakers fast break..so to each his/her own...!!!

    
    
    	Here are the top 43 players on the money list through March
    	19th...
    
    
    	 1. Tom Kite		$561,723 *
    	 2. Mark Calcavecchia	$429,112 *
	 3. Steve Jones		$382,868
     	 4. Bill Glasson	$322,200
    	 5. Fred Couples	$319,113
    	 6. Chip Beck		$293,070 *
    	 7. Sandy Lyle		$279,240 *
    	 8. Mark O'Meara	$253,470
    	 9. Paul Azinger	$246,728
    	10. Bruce Lietzke	$211,620
    	11. Gene Sauers		$211,347
    	12. Curtis Strange	$203,368 *
    	13. Blaine McCallister	$180,540
    	14. Steve Pate		$159,648
    	15. Jim Carter		$150,917
    	16. David Ogrin		$146,599
    	17. Ben Crenshaw	$139,811 *
    	18. Davis Love 3d	$138,517
    	19. Greg Twiggs		$132,991
    	20. David Frost		$126,428 *
    	21. Payne Stewart	$126,117
    	22. Nick Price		$122,621
    	23. Dan Pohl		$111,351
    	24. Greg Norman		$110,553
    	25. Lanny Wadkins	$108,513 *
    	26. Steve Elkington	$102,212
    	27. Dave Rummells	 $97,458
    	28. Mark McCumber	 $96,846
    	29. Gil Morgan		 $96,676
    	30. Loren Roberts	 $96,245
    	31. Brad Faxon		 $90,876
    	32. Jay Haas		 $88,165
    	33. Tim Simpson		 $84,418
    	34. Ted Schulz		 $81,634
    	35. Phil Blackmar	 $79,222
    	36. Gary Koch		 $78,177
    	37. Mark Wiebe		 $75,394
    	38. Hal Sutton		 $73,854
    	39. Fulton Allem	 $70,147
    	40. Hale Irwin		 $69,568
    	41. John Huston		 $68,953
    	42. Rocco Mediate	 $65,837
    	43. Buddy Gardner	 $64,586

    	* Designates people that were in the top ten at the end of the
    	  88 season. Two of the people that finished in the top ten
          last year are not on this years top 43 list (Joey Sindelar
    	  and Ken Green)...

    
    	Well, Bob Tway had a great tourney at Memorial. It was his
    	first win since he won at Inverness three years ago. What 
    	I found interesting was that Bob had four wins in 86 and
    	that this is only his 5th season on tour... I think he has
    	a great future ahead of him, now that he has some confidence
    	back...
    
    
    	Gene

    
    	Top money winners through May 26th, 1989
    
    	1. Tom Kite		$612,113
    	2. Mark Calcavecchia 	$516,542
    	3. Payne Stewart	$457,308
    	4. Fred Couples		$431,803
    	5. Scott Hoch		$426,590
    	6. Steve Jones		$422,495
    	7. Mark O'meara		$418,927
    	8. Chip Beck		$384,608
    	9. Bill Glasson		$340,496
       10. Tim Simpson		$337,404
    
    
    	* According to my calculations this puts Kite in third place
    	  for the all time money winner and knocking on the door for
    	  second, which Tom Watson now holds...!

	Re: -.1

>    	* According to my calculations this puts Kite in third place
>    	  for the all time money winner and knocking on the door for
>    	  second, which Tom Watson now holds...!

	Maybe with all that money he can finally buy the reputation
	that he really deserves. ;-)  He certainly grinds out a lot
	of top 10 finishes and a win or two each year.  He's the sort
	of guy you'ld want to be your partner in a match because he's
	so consistent.

	Larry

    
    	Talk about having a great year...! Nick Faldo shot a record
    	21 under 267 to win the British Masters by 4 shots. Faldo
    	also won the European PGA Championship last week, he had
    	5 birdies and no bogeys to shot a 66 in the final round to 
    	break that tournament record by 6 shots... AND OF COURSE HE
    	ALSO WON THE US MASTERS THIS YEAR.....!!!!!!
    

    
    
    	Here is a list of the top 10 finishes for players this year.
    	(the total indicates total of top 10 finishes, I was surprised
    	at who is #2 on the list)...
    
    			1st	2nd	3rd	Total
    	Tom Kite	  2	  1	  0	    8
    	Paul Azinger	  0	  1	  1	    7
    	Chip Beck	  0	  3	  0	    7
    	Payne Stewart	  1	  1	  1	    7
    	Curtis Strange	  1	  0	  3	    7
    	Fred Couples	  0	  1	  1	    6
    	Mark Calcavecchia 2	  0	  1	    5
    	David Frost	  0	  1	  1	    5
    	Mark McCumber	  0	  1	  0	    5
    	Greg Norman	  0	  1	  1	    5
    	Mark O'Meara	  1	  1	  1	    5
    	Nick Price	  0	  0	  1	    5
    	Lanny Wadkins	  0	  0	  0	    5
    	Ben Crenshaw	  0       0       1	    4
    	Bill Glasson	  1	  0	  1	    4
    	Scott Hoch	  1	  1	  1	    4
    	Bruce Lietzke	  0	  0	  2	    4
    	Sandy Lyle	  0	  2 	  1	    4
    	Larry Mize	  0	  0	  0	    4
    	Gil Morgan	  0	  0	  1	    4
    	Dan Pohl	  0	  0	  0	    4
    	Mike Reid	  0	  0	  1	    4
    	Gene Sauers	  1	  0	  0	    4
    	Tim Simpson	  1	  0	  1	    4
    	Jim Carter	  0	  0	  1	    3
    	Lon Hinkle	  0	  0	  0	    3
    	Mike Hulbert	  0	  0	  0	    3
    	Steve Jones	  2	  0	  0	    3
    	Wayne Levi	  0	  0	  0	    3
    	Davis Love 3d	  0	  1	  1	    3
    	Steve Pate	  0	  0	  1	    3
    	Loren Roberts	  0	  0	  0	    3
    	Scott Simpson	  1	  0	  0	    3
    	Craig Stadler	  0	  1	  1	    3
    	Hal Sutton	  0	  1	  0	    3
    	Makr Weibe	  0	  1	  0	    3

    re.53
    I thin he is just tied for #2 with 3 other players!
    
    Ricky Ricardo

    
    	RE: .54
    
    	Very good Mr. Cooper... My point was that I didn't realize that
    	the Zinger was having that good of a year..!!!
    
    	Gene

    RE.55
    I Have been watching all the tournaments this year and was 
    noticing Azinger lurking around but just not quite pulling
    it all together. One of his goals for this year though was
    to place in the top ten a lot more so it looks like he is
    having some success. Maybe he will win a couple before the
    season is over.
    
    THE MAD HACKER

    
    	Top money winners through Sept 3rd are...
    
    	Payne Stewart		$823,292
    	Tom Kite		 764,292
    	Greg Norman		 723,930
    	Mark Calcavecchia	 658,341
    	Steve Jones		 637,515
    	Paul Azinger		 630,999
    	Curtis Strange		 630,420
    	Chip Beck		 577,306
    	Scott Hoch		 550,557
    	David Frost		 528,816
    	Fred Couples		 502,844
    
    	etc...etc...etc...

    	Anybody care to call Tom and Greg "chokers" now. ~/~
    
    	-Alan-

    
    	From the October issue of Golf Digest here are the top
    	endorsement money-makers of 1989...
    
    	Arnold Palmer		9 million
    
    	Greg Norman		8 million
    
    	Jack Nicklaus		7 million
    
    	Curtis Strange		3 million
    
    	Bernard Langer		3 million
    
    	Seve Ballesteros	2.5 million
    
    	Ayako Okamoto		2.5 million
    
    	Nick Faldo		2.5 million
    	
    	Sandy Lyle		2.5 million
    
    	Tom Watson		2.25 million
    
    	Gary Player		2 million
    
    	Raymond Floyd		2 million
    
    	Isao Aoki		2 million
    
    	Jumbo Ozaki		2 million
    
    	Tommy Nakajima		2 million
    
    	Ian Woosnam		1.8 million
    
    	Nancy Lopez		1.5 million
    
    	Masahiro Kuramoto	1.5 million
    
    	Chi Chi Rodriquez	1.5 million
    
    	Fuzzy Zoeller		1.5 million
    
    	Tom Kite		1 million
    
    	Mark O'Meara		1 million
    
    	Liselotte Neumann	750,000
    
    	Payne Stewart		600,000
    
    	Ben Crenshaw		600,000
    
    It sure must be nice....!!!

    I'll use the products, say nice things about the sponsors and exhibit
    the products anytime anywhere for just a small fraction of those
    prices.  Gimme a chance.
    Harold
    

    
    	Did anybody else see the shoot out yesterday?
    
    	It was an interesting format (I hadn't seen it in the two previous
    	years that it was held). Ten players teed off on the same hole
    	(Tom Kite, Payne Stewart, Paul Azinger, Scott Hoch, Steve Jones,
    	Tim Simpson, Jack Nicklaus, Fuzzy Zoeller, Ben Crenshaw, and
    	Chip Beck). One person is eliminated on each hole (the worst score
    	is out). If there are ties for the worst score on a hole then all
    	players that tied have a shoot out, a chipping contest with the
    	player that ends up furthest from the hole is out...
    
    	There was a LOT of joking around (with Fuzzy being there what else
    	could you expect) and gimmes for the first few holes and then as
    	they progressed there was less of both.
    
    	The final three players were Jack, Beck, Azinger. Then Jack was
    	eliminated on the next to the last hole (they only play 9 holes).
    	In fact when Jack was eliminated there was a three way shoot out
    	and he only lost by 1� to 2 inches to Azinger...!
    
    	On the last hole Beck and Azinger both made par, so it was down 
    	to a shoot out (BTW, the difference between first and second was
    	$50,000 - first place being $90,000 and second being $40,000).
    	$50,000 riding on one chip....!!! Well, my money would have been
    	on Azinger in ANY chipping contest and against anybody. But on this
    	day Beck was victorious....!
    
    	For those that did see it what are your thoughts on the format?
    
    	Oh ya, I didn't mention how they picked the players. The take
    	the first "available" five top money winners for the year 
    	(Kite, Stewart, Azinger, Jones, Beck) 3 players that are the
    	top winners for the year in a certain sponsors events (I need
    	help here as I am not to sure about this nor who the spons
    	was) (Crenshaw, Simpson, and Hoch) and two exempt people that the
    	sponsor picks (Jack and Fuzzy). 
    
    
    	Gene

    
    	In addition to the cash the winner also got a new Cadillac 
    Allante (sp?).  Not bad for an afternoon on the golf course.
    
    Dan

    RE: .60
    
    I saw the tail end of the shoot out. A par-3 course I used to play
    at often is holding one next weekend and I'll be playing in it. 
    They run two flights (for lack of a better categorization) for
    the men and one for the woman, 10 players in each.
    
    Everyone pays $10 to play, and $$ prizes are awarded to first and
    second place. It should be interesting. I think I'll practice my
    chipping this week!
    
    Patti
    

    .63 should have been "RE: .61" (not .60).
    
    P

        Gene,
    
               I caught some of the shootout. Actually, I kind of liked the
    format because it was different. This tournament and the one that was
    put on by Peter Jacobson, a couple of months ago, were interesting to
    me because they offered a chance for the viewers to see and hear the
    pro's in a somewhat more relaxed atmosphere.
    
     I liked the opportunity to see their "other side." In earlier
    comments, I have been critical of Curtis Strange's behavior on the
    course. When I watched and listened to him during Jacobson's outing, as
    well as being interviewed prior to the playoff at last year's U.S.
    Open, I found that Curtis has the ability to become almost two
    different people. The tournament Strange and the natural Strange, a
    rather funny and very likeable guy.
    
     Guess that's what works for him to be a success.
    
    
    
    
                  Ken

    
    	I think the following stats belong in Rippley's...! This is from
    	an article in GOLF...
    
    	A 72 year old gentleman claims to have played golf EVERY day since
    	May 2, 1984 (more than 2,000 days). He also claims to have set a
    	Fort Worth record by playing 198 holes in a single day, back in
    	1956...!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    	And I thought I had done well to play 81 holes in one day
    	(walking).
    
    	Gene

    
    	Well, Mark Calcavecchia won the Spalding Invitational this past
    	weekend and without the aid of Pings/square grooves. Norman was
    	helping with the commentation and gave Mark a lot of praise for
    	his all around playing of the game (even said that he has played
    	with him a few times and that it wasn't unusual for Mark to blow
    	his drive past his by 30 or so yards)...
    
    	Even Gary McCord (sp) had a good tourney, but his hat has to go!
    
    	You Norman fans will have to wait a while to see much his play this
    	year. He will be playing in this weeks Mony Tournament of Champions
    	and then won't be playing in the US until the Doral on March 1st
    	(I think he did this last year also). BTW, in checking last years
    	results I found that Greg had a better year than I had thought. He
    	finished 4th on the money list with $835,096 and two tournament 
    	wins.
    
    	Come on warm weather...!
    	Gene

    
    	Local golf news from todays Globe...
    
    	The New Engalnd PGA may have it's own course in the near future
    	if a deal that involves Bill Flynn and archetect Brian Silva
    	happens. They are looking at building a championship-caliber
    	course on a 450 acre site in Amherst, NH...
    
    	The New England Golf show will be at the Eastern States Expo Center
    	in West Springfield Jan 20-21...
    
    	Crumpin-Fox in Bernardston, Mass. has sent out its invitations to
    	the grand opening of their new 9 holes. It was one of the best
    	nine holes in the country and Robert Trent Jones Sr. added nine
    	more holes. New England golf historian Jack Mahoney reports, "You
    	have to play it to believe it."

    
    has anyone heard of a new course being built in Townsend. ???
    I was talking with someone who says one is in construction
    off Rt. 119 behind Townsend Ford, the road to it is the one
    next to Beverly's restaurant ....
    That would be great since its within a few miles of my house.
    
    also, the sign has been changed to Groton Country CLub from 
    Wang C.C.   .... it also says that there is a driving range ??
    Is this just a practice range for before a round or an actual
    buy a bucket type range ?? If so, the temptation of stopping
    to hit a bucket every morning on my way to work will be tooo
    great !!  ;^) ..  sorry I'm late boss ! had a "driving" problem
    
    happy holing
    
    ace
     

    
    	There is an article in this months Golf Digest where 40 pros
    	were surveyed to see which of the 4 majors ranked highest in 
    	prestige and importance (there were three write-in votes for
    	the Players Championship also)...
    
    	Here are the results of the survey.
    
    			first		second		third	 fourth
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Azinger		MASTERS		US OPEN			 PGA
    					BRIT. OPEN
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Finch		BRIT. OPEN	MASTERS		US OPEN	 PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Ballesteros	BRIT. OPEN	MASTERS		US OPEN	 PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	BECK		US OPEN				MASTERS	 PGA
    			BRIT. OPEN
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Calcavecchia	US OPEN		BRIT. OPEN	MASTERS	 PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Crenshaw	MASTERS		US OPEN			 PGA
    					BRIT. OPEN
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Faldo		BRIT. OPEN	MASTERS		US OPEN	 PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Floyd		US OPEN		BRIT. OPEN
    					MASTERS
    					PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Frost		BRIT. OPEN	MASTERS		US OPEN	 PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Graham		US OPEN				MASTERS	 PGA
    			BRIT. OPEN
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	K. Green	US OPEN		MASTERS		BRIT. OPEN PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Hoch		US OPEN				MASTERS
    			BRIT. OPEN			PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Hogan		ALL EQUAL
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Jacklin		BRIT. OPEN	US OPEN		MASTERS  PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Jacobsen	BRIT. OPEN	US OPEN		MASTERS  PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Kite		MASTERS		US OPEN		BRIT. OPEN PLAYERS
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Langer		BRIT. OPEN				 PGA
    			US OPEN
    			MASTERS
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Lyle		BRIT. OPEN			US OPEN
    			MASTERS				PGA
    							PLAYERS
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	J. Miller	BRIT. OPEN	US OPEN		MASTERS	 PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Mize		MASTERS		US OPEN		BRIT. OPEN PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	B. Nelson	US OPEN		MASTERS		BRIT. OPEN PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	L. Nelson	US OPEN		MASTERS		BRIT. OPEN PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Nicklaus	US OPEN		BRIT. OPEN	PGA	 MASTERS
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Norman		ALL EQUAL
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Olazabol	BRIT OPEN	US OPEN			 PGA
    					MASTERS
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Palmer		US OPEN				MASTERS	 PGA
    			BRIT. OPEN
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Player		ALL EQUAL
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Sarazen		US OPEN		BRIT. OPEN	MASTERS	 PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	S. Simpson	US OPEN		MASTERS		BRIT. OPEN PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Sluman		ALL EQUAL
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Snead		US OPEN		PGA		MASTERS	BRIT OPEN
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Stadler		MASTERS		BRIT. OPEN	US OPEN
    							PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	P. Stewart	BRIT. OPEN	US OPEN		MASTERS	 PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Strange		US OPEN		BRIT. OPEN	MASTERS	 PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Trevino		US OPEN		BRIT. OPEN	PGA	PLAYERS
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Tway		MASTERS		US OPEN		BRIT. OPEN
    							PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	L. Wadkins	US OPEN		BRIT. OPEN
    					MASTERS	
    					PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	T. Watson	ALL EQUAL
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Woosnam		BRIT. OPEN	US OPEN		MASTERS	 PGA
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Zoeller		US OPEN				MASTERS  PGA
    			BRIT. OPEN
    --------------------------------------------------------------------

    
    	The top WORLD money winner for last year was David Frost with
    	$1,650,230 (he was 11th on the PGA money list with $620,430).
    	Tom Kite was 2nd in the WORLD with $1,491,164 and Greg Norman
    	was third with $1,352,761...

    Just goes to show that money isn't everything!
    
    Would you have named Frost as the best player in the world last year?
    (Or Kite second or Norman third come to that)
    
    Paul

    Due to the enormous purses offered in some tournaments, a
    players position on the money list could be skewed by a win
    in one super payoff tourney. Did David Frost win the Sun City
    Challenge last year by any chance ? That has a $1,000,000 1st
    place prize. He also won once or twice on the pga tour last
    year I believe.
        What this brings to mind though is what does position
    on the money list have to do with who is the "BEST" player.
    Do all the statistics charts mean anything ? Usually the
    people that lead in all the categories are players I've never
    heard of. Some players can't play on the Florida courses, others
    avoid California, some never go to Britain. Shouldn't a player
    that we would consider for "BEST" be able to play (AND WIN)
    anywhere, anytime, under any conditions ?
    
    Mad Hacker

    What decides who is the best player? Good question Mad Hacker...
    
    	To win uder any circumstances would be the ultimate challenge.
    But no one can/will do that. The golf game is made up of so many
    variables that can influence the end result. The many types of
    grass, sand, air thickness, winds... would all have to be learned
    exact. Along with mastering the mental aspects of the game. I often
    look at teh epson stats, wondering where Dan Pohl is? Why isn't he
    or other Epson stat leaders always in the top ten? Dan does it all,
    better than the others. Winning the most money says a lot about the
    players ability, because with huge cash rewards, brings the best
    competitors... with their best efforts. If you're cashing in, which
    the ALL want to do, then you're shooting some great golf.
    
    
    	Walta

    RE: .73
    
    MH,
    
    Most top ten finishes determines the best over all player IMHO.
    
    Gene

    Re:          <<< Note 521.75 by MSEE::KELLEY "Golfaholic - Clubmaker" >>>
    
    That's why Kite was tops in the US money list.
    
    If ALL  money  was the only measure of being at the top, remember the
    big money on endorsements that Arnie gets,  and  I don't think he has
    won any tournament lately.

    Most top ten finishes where though ? I agree for individual tour
    positions that is a fair gauge but after our thrashing in the
    Ryder cup and Walker cup I'm not so sure that the PGA is the
    dominant tour, just the richest.
    
    MH

	
>    Most top ten finishes determines the best over all player IMHO.
    
     Gene,

	That over simplifies.  A lot of good players on tour come in
	2 - 10 a lot but hardly ever win.  Maybe some variation on how they
	are calculating Vardon points this year, where your score is
	weighted against the rest of the field.

	Maybe some calculation like 10 pts for 1st, 9 for second, etc.
	down to 0 * the major factor (sum of major championship titles
	held by contestants)  divide the whole thing by the number of
	tournaments entered.

	Using a formula like this Nicklaus would be near the top, he doesn't
	play many tournaments, but plays the tough ones, and has walked away
	with a lot of hardware.  When he didn't he was usually in contention.

	After all how many of the really good golfers play the Greater
	Greensboro Open, Pleasant Valley & the like?  A number, but no where
	close to the numbers that play the US Open, Masters, TPC, etc.

	Larry

    The percentage of top ten finishes w/r/t tournaments entered, and
    quality of competition maybe?  Something like the college football
    computer power ratings.
    
    That would work for me.
    
    Rick 

    re:- top ten finishes.
    
    I disagree with the top Ten premise. I think that from the money
    point of view the number of top Ten finishes is the measure of success,
    but when considering whether a player is a world beater or a potential
    one , then the number of top 3-5 finishes seems more accurate.
    
    Tom Kite is currently the biggest money winner in history, made
    from an abundance of top 10 finishes rather than victories. However,
    Tom Watson ( i think i can compare their careers from the time point
    of view ) has won many more times than Kite , eight of which are
    major c'ships.
    I think that there is a question mark over Kite's place in the history
    of the game, the same cannot be said of Watson.
    
    martin o'
    BTW: Nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing Kite win
    a Major this year.

    
    RE: .80
    
    Martin O'
    
    I will agree that the number of top 5 finishes may be a more accurate
    measure of the top player (it would be interesting to see how  much of
    a difference there would be in names on each of the two lists). I have
    a hard time buying your point about a person that has more wins but
    less top ten (or five) finishes being the better player. IMHO, the
    person with the wins (particularly winning a major) just gets far more
    publicity.
    
    Gene

    Does anyone know how the SONY rankings are determined, that ranking
    is a ranking of all the golfers in the world, don't recall who is in
    the top 10, but the top 5 is dominated by non-US players. It is in Golf
    World every week.
    
    peter

    
    Hey Pete,
    
    Would you care to post the SONY ranking here...?
    
    
    Thanks
    Gene

    gene,
    
    if i remember my golf world tomorrow i will
    
    peter

    SONY Rankings - March 23,1990
    
    1. Norman		18.83
    2. Faldo		16.63
    3. Ballesteros	15.81
    4. Strange		13.84
    5. Calcavecchia	12.79
    6. Woosnam		12.34
    7. Azinger		12.17
    8. Stewart		12.00
    9. Olazabal		11.23
    10. Kite		11.20
    11. Ozaki		9.93
    12. Couples		9.18
    13. Frost		9.01
    14. Beck		8.60
    15. Lyle		8.03
    16. Langer		7.83
    17. McCumber	7.74
    18. Rafferty	7.32
    19. Crenshaw	7.24
    20. Reid		6.93
    21. Mize		6.92
    22. O'Meara		6.88
    23. Hoch		6.68
    24. Nelson		6.56
    25. Watson		6.50
    26. Simpson		6.27
    27. Jacobsen	6.24
    
    Note: The SONY Rankings of the world's major professional circuits,
    compiled by International Management Group in Cleveland, is based on a
    point system. It covers a three-year sliding scale in which most recent
    performances are given the most emphasis. Points listed are a
    per-tournament average. Points available at each event are based on the
    event's stature, combined with its field.
    
    enjoy
    peter

    
    	Current PGA Stats...
    
    	Scoring - 1. Greg Norman 68.80
    		  2. Fred Couples 69.63
    		  3. Peter Jacobsen 69.83
    
    	Driving Distance - 1. Greg Norman 275.8
    			   2. Lon Hinkle 275.3
    			   3. Davis Love III 274.7
    
    	Driving Accuracy - 1. Calvin Peete .829
    			   2. David Edwards .805
    			   2. Doug Tewell .805
    			   4. Larry Mize .798
    
    	Greens in reg - 1. Tom Kite .704
    			2. Bobby Wadkins .700
    			3. Curtis Strange .689
    	
    	Putting leaders - 1. George Burns 1.720
    			  2. Ian Baker-Finch 1.735
    			  3. Greg Norman 1.747
    
    	Par Breakers - 1. Greg Norman .233
    		       2. Mark Calcavecchia .231
    		       3. Robert Gamez .213
    
    	Birdies - 1. Mark Calcavecchia 224
    		  2. Mike Hulbert 205
    		  3. Steve Elkington
    
    	Eagles - 1. Fred Couples 9
    		 2. Paul Azinger 8
    		 3. Robert Gamez 7
    		 3. Bill Sander 7
    
    	Sand saves - 1. Curtis Strange .717
    		     2. Paul Azinger .658
    		     3. David Frost .649
    
    	All around - 1. Paul Azinger 115
    		     2. Greg Norman 212
    		     3. Gene Sauers 215

    re: top ten finish vs. top 3-5 finishes
    
    	I agree with either method as log as it is measured "over time" and
    not just for a given year.....many on the pga tour have a hot year then
    disappear forever....they may get best player for that year based on
    their year but as nicklaus has said many times and I agree 100%....
    
    
    	"the true test of a golfer is his consistance over a period of
    time..."
    
    Kite most definatly would come to mind here....but a balasterious(sp?)
    would not.....

    gene,  if it isn't already in here do you think you could reply with
           how all the pro stats they keep are figured. E.G. is scoreing
           leaders calculated by total of scores divided by # of rounds?
           How is the overall figures made how does say norman get a 115.
    
           if its in here can you tell me which note
    
    thanks
    chas

    
    	Chas,
    
    	I am sure that the way you stated is how they figure the scoring
    	leaders. I do not know how they come up with the overall figures
    	or what they even represent. Perhaps somebody else out there can
    	answer this for us...
    
    
    	Gene

    The assistant pro at out course spent his summer working in Florida at
    Grand Cypress.  He has some interesting opinions about all the pro's 
    he met.  I'll boil it down to nice guys,(guys other pro's like, and the
    employees liked), and ____heads,(guy's they love to hate)
    
    Nice guys...
    
    1.  Payne Stewart
    2.  Ben Crenshaw
    3.  Curtis Strange
    4.  Peter Jacobsen(sp?)
    
    ____heads...
    
    1.  Greg Norman
    2.  Greg Norman
    3.  Greg Norman
    4.  Greg Norman
    
    Suprised me quite a bit.  Mr. Norman doesn't tip, is condesending,
    doesn't speak to fellow tour players, and actually tried to get a ball
    boy fired for not having his practice balls stacked in a piramid!
    My source says when the camera's go on, Norman is all act, quite 
    a phoney, (we know he's not a phoney golfer though!)
    
    Interesting stuff.....
    
    Rick

         Rick,
    
                I found the comments about Norman very surprizing !! Most
    of names on the nice guys list seemed to match my feelings based on
    seeing them in person both before and after their rounds, but Curtis ?
     He always comes across as a very dour person, but we fans only get to
    see them playing and they can certainly be different when not on the
    course.
    
    
    
                       Ken
    

    When Curtis arrived at Grand Cypress, he invited a couple of the ball
    boys to play 9 holes with him.  He was practicing and didn't mind them
    tagging along, and he helped them with their games.  Not bad for
    someone who looks impersonal via the T.V.  He also gave Nike hats to
    each of the guys in the club room.
    
    Rick

	It is very difficult to tell how someone is 'off' the course, when all 
we see of them, is when they're 'on' the course, and obviously under a great 
deal of pressure.  Different people handle pressure in different ways.
But also, remeber, those comments about Normand being a ____head, are only of 
the opinion of one person.  At least that is what the reply lead me to 
beleive.  And we all know how the expression goes...

Beak

    I'll take the opinion of one "in person" to none anyday...
    
    Rick

Rick,
	If everyone thought that way, and instead of making your own judgement 
or trusting the majority of a significant number of others judgements, than
we would all be a lot worse off.  I can just picture the manager of the next 
job you apply for taking the opinion of just one person who knew you and 
didn't particularly like you, then telling you, "Never mind showing up for the 
interview, someone told me exactly how you are!".

Beak

    Beak,
    
    I concurr with you. Everything I have seen from Norman has been
    exemplerary. I think it is a mistake to take at face value anothers
    judgement without having it verified by others.

    I don't mean this to sound bad but in reference to these comments
    about Greg Norman; a wise man said about 2000 years ago ....
    
    ...let he who is without sin cast the first stone!!
    
    I just think that its a problem for us , the punters, to criticise
    sportsmen who are in the public eye. 
    Take the case of Curtis Strange as an example. He used to be a 'bad
    boy' on the tour. Now he's more approachable since he got sorted
    out. But, was he so bad? He said himself that he was just trying
    so hard on the course that distractions, bad shots, upset him a
    lot. They still do...remember the PGA last year!
    
    Give our sports heros a break.
    
    IMHO, my two irish pennies worth...martin o'g

    I like my source... he's one of the nicest young men you will ever
    meet.
    
    Can anyone out there find ANY tour player who has ever called Norman 
    a "nice guy"?  I've never read anything positive from any of his peers.
    
    Let's see... one and one makes two!
    
    Norman won't buy Gamez a beer!  Or anyone else he plays with.
    
    Rick
    
    P.S.  public criticism is part of the deal... all pro atheletes will
    tell you that.

	I do remember how it was described to me how Norman was informed of 
his 1st victory this year.  On Sunday around noon, he was at the driving range 
hitting balls getting ready for his round.  It was a rainy day, and the next 
thing he knew, Paine Stewart walked up to Norman and with a smile, reached out 
a hand and said to Greg, "Give me some skin!!!".  Norman, hadn't realized but 
the final round had been canceled and he was deemed the winner.  Stewart was 
only 1 shot behind Norman going into the final round.  Now to me, that doesn't 
sound like something someone would do, to a guy he didn't like and respect.
So you see, there is someone who "likes" Greg Norman.  Now you have one who 
dislikes him, and I have one who likes him.  This doesn't mean he's a nice guy 
or a bad guy.  Just that everyone has an opinion, and no "ONE" opinion is 
worth any more than another.  Now a bunch of similar opinions have more weigth 
behind them, but I haven't seen that yet, so I'll wait with mine.
	I'll also relate another story about Greg Norman that I heard.  It was 
during a practice round on a Wednesday before a tournament.  Norman was 
playing a practice round with Nicklaus and someone else.  On one hole, Greg 
was about 10 feet of the green in some deep rough.  The crowds were very close 
to the golfers, as it was a practice round.  Norman hit his pitch, and it 
roled 20 to 25 feet by the pin.  One of the spectators near Greg commented on 
it not being a very good shot.  Norman replied by asking the fellow if he'd 
like to try and do better.  The guy replied yes, and Norman gave him his wedge 
and a ball.  The fellow the pitched the ball to about a foot from the hole, to 
which Norman replied, "Great shot" with a smile on his face, and proceeded to 
get the crowd to applaud.  He then shook the fellows hand, and went on with 
his round.  Now there's one fellow who will never agree with you, that Greg 
Norman is not a nice guy.  I'm sure that guy will never forget that moment for 
the rest of his life.

Beak

    
    Beak,
    
    You story about Norman's shot and allowing the spectator to hit a shot.
    Wasn't that at the US Open at The Country Club? Seems like I heard the
    same story (but I am not sure that it was Norman)...
    
    Gene

    I heard the same story also and it was about Norman. But what were 
    his reasons for doing it ? Was he hoping the interloper would fail
    so he could tell him to mind his own business ? Had he been heckled
    all day and finally had enough ?  Was he hoping for a valuable
    short game tip from some spectator ? Inquiring minds want to know !!!
        I don't care whether he is a jerk or not, I just like to watch
    him play golf !!!!!
    
                         Mad Hacker

    Just to add some more to the argument that one opinion does not make it
    a fact, there was an article in Golf Digest this month about the guys
    who cover the tournaments with those hand held cameras.  One of them is
    Davey Finch, and here is a direct quote from a guy that works with
    Norman on a regular basis:  "I have my favorites, too," he says. 
    "Fuzzy, Greg, Tom Kite, Blaine McCallister, they're all very friendly,
    even in cruch time."
    
    I believe that we all have a tendency to project a little of ourselves
    into others.  Maybe the guy who had nothing good to say about Norman
    was having a bad day and not Greg.
    
    Food for thought.
    
    Hal
                  

The negative story on Norman isn't all that surprising, I don't think. 
To be a pro takes a lot of dedication and hard work. To be dominant, 
as Norman is, among that select crowd, requires an intensity that few 
of us mortals will ever comprehend. Line up the great men and women of 
every era and every pursuit and they may stretch from tee to pin on a 
long par 5. But remove from those all but the ones that are without 
eccentricity--particularly of social nature--and they couldn't span 
the green.

In his prime, Nicklaus wouldn't have won any Mr Congeniality awards, 
either. I know, as a vice-presidential candidate once argued, Norman's 
no Nicklaus, but he's as close as anyone has been since Watson was at 
his prime. 

Norman is no fool, either. If you have to be in the spotlight, it 
behooves you to put on a nice show of it. Fame and fortune are fickle 
lovers, but extremely generous if you court them well. Being nice for 
the camera isn't phony, it's business. We know politicians don't kiss 
babies because they find their bald little heads irresistable, yet we 
EXPECT it of them. We expect our sports heros to show they are one of 
us--only better--and we're irritated if they don't. Many of the 
tour's faceless grinders aren't aware of--or choose to ignore--that 
connection to their fans. They're not doing themselves or their 
professions any good. But Norman seems keenly aware of his role.

In fact, it's that self-consciousness about how he is perceived that
may prevent him from ever realizing the greatness that alludes him. 

It's ironic. What the game needs now more than saints are one 
or two GODS. Even if they're as dour-faced and unapproachable as Ben Hogan 
was.

    Well I need to add my two cents because I like Jamie Hutton think Greg
    is one great person. In case we forgot how many other tour players do
    you know that gave a little boy a weekend he'll always remember. Just
    about a year ago or a little more didn't Mr Norman show how wonderful
    a person he is when he cared so much for a little boy that he spent the
    weekend with him, getting him inside the roaps winning a tournament for
    him and then giving him the trophey for the (1988 Harbor Town
    -Heritage), then arrangeing to fly him home on sunday. Yes this sounds
    like an auful human being to me!!!! 
    
    regards chas

    It's been fun stirring a little controversy... but unfortunately, Mr.
    Norman is a real favorite in this Notesfile.  I personally don't care 
    much for him, but I too think he's some player.  There are alot of 
    swings nicer, but he gets results.  Keep rooting for him, and I'll
    enjoy his continuing "hard luck".  Read that "failures", you make your
    own breaks.  If he'd play an entire tourney, maybe he'd have a lead 
    instead of having to make late charges.  
    
    Good "luck" Greg... get another second or third in the Open!
    
    Rick 

>    The assistant pro at out course spent his summer working in Florida at
>    Grand Cypress.  He has some interesting opinions about all the pro's 
    
>    Suprised me quite a bit.  Mr. Norman doesn't tip, is condesending,
>    doesn't speak to fellow tour players, and actually tried to get a ball
>    boy fired for not having his practice balls stacked in a piramid!
>    My source says when the camera's go on, Norman is all act, quite 
>    a phoney, (we know he's not a phoney golfer though!)
    
Rick,
	You're entitled to your opinion, and I feel no bad feelings toward you 
for it.  I just said that I don't think it's fair to label a person, based on 
one other persons feelings toward him.  The one other person being the 
assistant pro you mention.  I know you have mentioned how much you admire his 
talents on the course, and I'm sure you wouldn't have said that after he 
finished 2nd in only 1 tournament and you had never seen him play before that 
or heard of him before that, so I just wondered why you would judge his 
personnal side based on one persons judgement, instead of that of many, or 
your own.

Beak

    It is amazing all the condemnation on basing an opinion on one person's
    report.  Did it ever occur to the Noters that the one person could have
    credentials that would make one and all take not of his opinion?  There
    are people in this world that I would stake my life on their opinion. 
    If you don"t know anyone like that, then I pity you.
    
    Does it make any difference, what kind of person Greg Norman is, when
    you see him play golf?  Most of the touring pros that I have met and
    interacted with, I do not consider to be very great people - but they
    play golf a lot better than I do and are fun to watch.
    
    Personally, I never found Greg Norman to be very interesting to watch
    on the course.  I follow Davis Love III, JACK, Lee Trevino and some
    others, but never Greg.  T.C. Chen, when he had the hole in one at the
    LA Open, and holed out two approach shots in a four hole stretch was
    exciting.  Greg always seems to be scrambling to overcome a lead - 
    maybe its too much like my own play, therefore its not interesting to
    me.
    
    Big Mac

    I originally made my comments to provide some information about a
    "popular" golfer.  I was suprised to hear what I did about him, but
    it didn't suprise me.  Different people handle fame differently.
    I've never found myself rooting for him, and Mike's Grand Cypress
    experiences, and the things other pro's said about Norman, only
    solidified reservations I must have had before.
    
    I like to pull for "home teams" and golf is no exception.  I enjoy
    watching an upstart american like Gamez win over Norman, Ballesteros,
    Faldo, or any other Euro/Aus/Jap/Brit player out there.  You guys
    don't root for the Steelers, but I hope they kick the Pats butts any
    time they play them.
    
    I wish Curtis would start to care again... he's the best we got.
    
    Rick (just loaded with opinion!)

    
    	A poll taken by the Chicago Sun-Times of players in the
    	US Open...
    
    	1) nicest guy - Tom Kite, Peter Jacobsen
    
    	2) Favorite playing partner - Lanny Wadkins, Steve Jones
    
    	3) playoff partner you DON'T want - Curtis Strange, Seve Ballesteros
    
    	4) best future star - Phil Mickelson
    
    	5) best party animal - Lance Ten Broeck
    
    	6) Favorite course - Augusta National
    
    	7) toughest course - Spyglass Hill
    
    	8) favorite city - Phoenix
    
    	9) least favorite city - New York, New Orleans
    
    	10) best city in which to party - Dallas

    
     There is a player named  Craig Shankland who made the cut in the
    Senior US Open this weekend.  What a golf name.  I hope he has a
    nice sense of humor.
    
    -rick

    
    
    	Here is a phone number that might interest some readers...
    
    			1-900-PRO-GOLF
    
    	The First Nationwide Golf Information Hotline...
    
    		*Pro Leaderboard Updates every 30 minutes
    		*Tour PLayer Updates Daily
    		*Expert golf lessons
    		*Trivia & Rules Contests (win a trip)
    
    	The Trivia and Rules contest runs monthly, the first one will end
    	on Oct. 10th, the second start on the 11th...
    
    	The winner each month wins a free golf trip for two for four days/
    	three nights at a southern resort (valus over $1,000). The winner
    	is the person submitting the most correct answers...
    
    	*The unfortuneate part is that the contest is only open to residents
    	*of VA, WV, KY, TN, NC, SC, GA, FL, AL, MS, LA, AR, OK, and TX, but
    	*the other info might be nice for the rest of us... :-{
    
    	Calls are $.95 per minute...

    
    	This years skins game will be help Nov. 24-25. This years
    	PARticipants will be Faldo, Norman, Strange, and Nicklaus.
    

    
    	As of January 1, 1992, any club that has more than one grip will
    	be non-confroming under the Rules of Golf. All those long putters
    	with two grips will have to be converted to having just one 
    	continuous grip.

>    	This years skins game will be help Nov. 24-25. This years
>    	PARticipants will be Faldo, Norman, Strange, and Nicklaus.
    
	It's a good thing that it's generally on tape.  Otherwise it
	would take two full days to complete this round!

    RE: 114
    
    I wonder how many days of tape they will use?

    
    
    	Wayne Levi's four wins this season equals the most victories by
    	any golfer since 1980....
    
    	List of most wins in one season
    
    	Byron Nelson	18 in 1945
    	Ben Hogan	13 in 1946
    	Sam Snead	11 in 1950
    	Ben Hogan	10 in 1948
    	Horton Smith	 8 in 1929
    	Gene Zarazen	 8 in 1930
    	Harry Cooper	 8 in 1937
    	Sam Snead	 8 in 1938
    	Henry Picard	 8 in 1939
    	Byron Nelson	 8 in 1944
    	Arnold Palmer	 8 in 1960
    	Johnny Miller	 8 in 1974
    
    	Anybody know how many Nicklaus has won in one season...?

    
    	Well, ths is the last year that there will be a Nabisco
    	Championship (they were taken over by Kohlberg, Kravis, and
    	Roberts). The Nabisco Championships will be replaced by the
    	Tour Championships as the officail season ending event.
    
    	Tom Kite is the defending champion, the rest of the field
    	will be the top 30 on the officail PGA Tour top money list.
    	All four rounds will be covered by ESPN. Thursday 3-5,
    	Friday 3-5, Saturday 2-3:30, Sunday 3-5...

    
    	The top purses for 1990 are:
    
    	The Nabisco Championships	2.5 million
    	The Players Chapionship		1.5 million
    	The Doral Ryder Open		1.4 million
    	The Las Vegas Invitational	1.3 million
    	K-Mart Greater Greensboro Open	1.25 million
    	NEC World Series of Golf	1.1 million
    	
    	23 events tied at		1 million

    
    	It is interesting to see just how much the purese for the PGA
    	Tour have gone up over the past 10 years...!!!!
    
    			Total Purses for the year
    
    	1980	13.4 million
    	1981	14.2 million
    	1982	15.1 million
    	1983	17.6 million
    	1984	21.3 million
    	1985	25.3 million
    	1986	25.4 million
    	1987	32.1 million
    	1988	37.0 million
    	1989	41.3 million
    	1990	45+  million (estimated)
    
    	More than trippled in ten years... It will be interesting to see
    	if next years purses even equal this years, the way the economy
    	is going...!

    re: .116
    
    It appears Nicklaus had 7 victories in both 1972/1973....but
    
    he lead the PGA Tour in victories per year a record eight times and
    shares the record with Palmer for consecutive years winning at least
    one PGA event - 17 years each....
    
    This information is from the Sept. 1988 Commemorative Golf magazine
    which is all about the PLAYER OF THE CENTURY .....

    
    
    	Greg Norman and Tim Simpson are tied for the lead after the
    	first round in the Nabisco Championships at 5 under (66)...
    
    	If Norman should go on to win he would get $450,000 for the
    	vitory and a $175,000 bonus for being the leading money winner.
    	He is currently on the top of the money list with $907,976...!!!
    	"He also would get serious consideration for the Tour Player of
    	the Year (which the players vote on) and will win the Vardon
    	Trophy for lowest stroke average."  * info from The NATIONAL
    	sports daily
    
    	Tim Simpson		66
    	Greg Norman		66
    
    	Nick Price		68
    	Jodie Mudd		68
    
    	Billy Mayfair		69
    	Chip Beck		69
    
    	Davis Love III		70
    	Peter Jacobsen		70
    
    	Ian Baker-Finch		71
    	Mark Calcavecchia	71
    
    	John Huston		72
    	John Cook		72
    	Wayne Grady		72
    	Bob Tway		72
    	Steve Elkington		72
    	
    	Loren Roberts		73
    	Jim Gallagher		73
    	Tom Kite		73
    	Lanny Wadkins		73
    	Gill Morgan		73
    	Fred Couples		73
    	Paul Azinger		73
    
    	Corey Pavin		74
    	Mark O'Meara		74
    	
    	B. Tennyson		75
    	Larry Mize		75
    	Hale Irwin		75
    	Wayne Levi		75
    
    	Robert Gamez		76
    
    	Payne Stewart		77

    
    	While in a local golf retail shop last night I heard that
    	Greg Norman has bought or bought into Cobra (golf co.). He
    	is no longer using Spaulding equipment. This would explain
    	the driver I saw him using in the last tournament I saw him
    	in (I think the Nabisco), it had a white head (now it is
    	apparent that this is a Cobra product)...
    
    	Anyone else hear anything about this...?
    
    	Regards
    	Gene

    
    He switch over about mid-summer.  He went through a little slump
    with his irons when he made the switch.
    
    ESPN reported that Norman .."received an unspecified piece of 
    Cobra.." in exchange for him playing with them and doing adds.
    
    Not sure how accurate that report was though......Shane
    

    
    		PGA's top 50 money winners (yesterdays USA TODAY)
    
    Greg Norman		1,165,477
    Wayne Levi		1,024,647
    Payne Stewart	  976,281
    Paul Azinger	  944,731
    Jodie Mudd		  911,746
    Hale Irwin		  838,249
    Mark Calcavecchia	  834,281
    Tim Simpson		  809,772
    Fred Couples	  757,999
    Mark O'Meara	  707,175
    Gil Morgan		  702,629
    Billy Mayfair	  693,658
    Lanny Wadkins	  673,433
    Larry Mize		  668,198
    Tom Kite		  658,202
    Ian Baker-Finch	  611,492
    Chip Beck		  571,816
    Steve Elkington	  548,564
    Peter Jacobsen	  547,279
    Davis Love III	  537,172
    Wayne Grady		  527,185
    Nick Price		  520,777
    Bob Tway		  495,862
    Loren Roberts	  478,522
    Jim Gallagher Jr.	  476,706
    Corey Pavin		  468,830
    Robert Gamez	  461,407
    John Cook		  448,112
    Brian TEnnyson	  443,508
    John Huston		  435,690
    Gene Sauers		  374,485
    David Frost		  372,485
    Ben Crenshaw	  351,193
    Steve Jones		  350,982
    Tommy Armour III	  348,658
    Mike Donald		  348,328
    Nick Faldo		  345,262
    J.M. Olazabal	  337,837
    Steve Pate		  334,505
    Scott Hoch		  333,978
    Bruce Lietzke	  329,294
    John Mahaffey	  325,115
    Dan Forsman		  319,160
    Billy Ray Brown	  312,466
    Mark Brooks		  307,948
    Joey Sindelar	  307,207
    Scott Verplank	  303,589
    Nolan Henke		  295,592
    Tom Purtzer		  285,176
    KEnny Perry		  279,881
    
    Of these top 50 money winners the following were the best and worst of
    the following categories...
    
    	Most wins - Wayne Levi with 4
    
    	Most top 25 finishes - Tim Simpson with 19 (Azinger second with 18)
    
    	Average score - Greg Norman with 69.10 - worst J. Huston with 71.7
    
    	Average drive - Tom Purtzer with 279.6 - worst W. Grady with 252.1
    
    	GIR - Tom Kite with .702 (only one above .7) - worst C. Beck .623
    
    	Putts per round - Larry Mize with 28.49 - worst T. Purtzer 30.26
    
    	Birds - Mike Donald with 401 from 32 tourneys entered ( he was the
    	        only one above 400) - Irwin 212 from 17 tourneys entered
    
    	Eagles - Paul Azinger with 14 from 26 tourneys entered - worst
    		 Lanny Wadkins with 1 from 23 tourneys entered and Kenny
    	    	 Perry with 1 from 23 tourneys entered
    
    	Sand saves - Paul Azinger 121 out of 180 - N. Henke 46 out of 104
    
    	

    
    	Here is an interesting stat...
    
    	Only eight players completed four rounds of each of the 1990 men's
    	major champioships
    
    			Masters    US Open	British    PGA	Total
    PAR			  288	     288	  288	   288
    Nick Faldo	          -10	     -7	  	  -18	    +7    -28
    Jose Maria O;azabal	  -1	     -4		  -7	    +6	  -6
    Larry Mize		   E	     -3		  -4	    +5    -2
    Ian Woosnam		  +5	     -2		  -12	    +9	   E
    Jeff Sluman		  +4	     -3		  -5	    +9	  +5
    Scott Simpson	  -2	     -3	          -3	   +16	  +8
    Mark McCumber	  +7	     +3		  -4	   +12	  +18
    Mike Hulbert	  +10	      E		  -3	   +12	  +19
    
    
    	* Do you think the PGA course played a little tough...! ;-)
    
    - Robert Gamez was the yougest tour winner (21), Hale Irwin was
      the oldest (45) - they each won twice
    
    - Paul Azinger, winner of the sand-saves category three of the past
      five years, got up and down from greenside bunkers 67% of the time
    
    - There were seven multiple winners, led by Levi with 4
    
    - Four players successfully defendEd their titles. Mark O'Meara
      (AT&T Pebble beach), Nick Faldo (The Masters), Payne Stewart
      (MCI Heritage Classic), and Tim Simpson (Walt Disney World/Olds)
    
    - Mark Calcavecchia won $834,281 without a victory
    
    - For the 17th year in a row, Tom Watson won at least $100,000
    
    - Ben Crenshaw, Hale Irwin, Tom Kite, Wayne Levi, Gil Morgan, and
      Lanny Wadkins all won in 1990, giving them victories in each of the 
      last three decades  
    

    During the Senior's Tournament, sponsored by Security-Pacific and
    Digital, in Los Angeles, two weeks ago, I had the opportunity to follow
    Lee Trevino for several holes.  The tournament was played at a public
    course maintained by the City of Los Angeles, Rancho Park.  Rancho Park
    was the site of the LA Open and where Arnie took a 12 on what was then
    the 18th.  Any way, Lee was complaining about the "...bumpy greens...".
    After four holes he said, "We get to play this course for free, think
    about those poor bastards that have to pay to put these things."  He
    was looking right at me with my "Rancho Park" golf shirt and my demure
    6'5", 240lbs. frame in the front row.  He got a great laugh.  In case
    you missed it, Dave Hill took it away from Gary Player with a string
    of birds on the back nine.  Great tournament.
    
    Big Mac