Conference 7.286::golf

466.0. "Shoes TOPIC" by MSEE::KELLEY (got to get the short game togther) Mon Dec 12 1988 12:56

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Note 18.0                             Shoes                           13 replies
ODIXIE::BUTLER                                       11 lines  21-JUN-1986 03:10
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    I an considering the retirement of my OLD Dexter golf shoes.  I
    would like some information on shoes such as Tretorn, Nike, and
    any other good shoe for walking.
    
    The reason for the Dexter shoes was due to the size: 12 A.
    
    Thank You,
    
    Tim
    River North
    Macon, Georgia
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Note 18.1                             Shoes                              1 of 13
BEING::MCANULTY                                      11 lines  24-JUN-1986 03:00
                               -< ETONICS...... >-
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    	re  .0  I have a pair of Etonic. There leather, I bought them
    		on sale last year for 55.00  They are super comfortable.
    		Etonic has a good line, but it depends what type you
    		are interested in, wing tip type, leather, I suggest
    		going to a dealer, trying some on, get comfortable,
    		and check for the best price.
    
    					/mike
    
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Note 18.2                             Shoes                              2 of 13
STK01::LITBY "Per-Olof Litby, CSC Stockholm"          8 lines  24-JUN-1986 13:31
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	I have  Etonics too - bought 4 years ago and still like new. The
	best and most comfortable shoes I've ever had - including street
	shoes.  I'd definitely recommend Etonics if you want classically
	styled  shoes.  If  you  prefer the lighter, more casual shoes I
	would  recommend  Tretorn  -  they  also  have  'indestructible'
	spikes.

	<PO>
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Note 18.3                             Shoes                              3 of 13
GENRAL::GIBSON                                       15 lines  24-JUN-1986 17:39
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    I too had a pair of Etonics. I had the light weight tennis shoe
    type. Be forwarned, if you get a pair of the soft bottom shoes
    with metal spikes and metal inserts that the spikes screw into
    you might not be able to get the spikes out without destroying the
    bottom of the shoe. This happened to me and several other people
    I know. They either are put in too tight at the factory or rust
    in. If you want the light shoe I suggest the Foot-Joy Light Spike.
    The inserts are made of either a nylon or plastic and the base of
    the spikes are also a plastic. Several friends have had them for
    a couple years now without the problem of the all metal spikes.
    I also now own a pair and they are very comfortable.
    
                                        HOOT
    
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Note 18.4                             Shoes                              4 of 13
ODIXIE::BUTLER                                        9 lines  25-JUN-1986 20:23
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    Thank You.
    
    How about spikeless shoes?  Is your foot hold the same, better,
    or worse?
    
    I will check out the Etonics line at the pro shop.
    
    Tim
    
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Note 18.5                             Shoes                              5 of 13
CIM::ED "Ed Hacker @IAC DTN 443-3851"                10 lines  25-JUN-1986 23:30
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    I think they are better!
    
    I have been wearing spikeless Etonics for two years and they
    have the following advantages:
    
    	1. Lighter
    	2. Less sticky
    		keep me from swinging to hard!
    
    Ed (one of a few true) Hacker
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PISCES::GAUDETTE                                      4 lines   2-JUL-1986 18:49
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    I recently purchased a pair of Nike's and found them to be very
    light weight and comfortable.  Worth checking out.
    
    Peter
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Note 18.7                             Shoes                              7 of 13
GENRAL::GIBSON                                        8 lines   2-JUL-1986 20:48
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    RE: Spikeless shoes.
    
    Check with your local course to see if they are allowed. Here in
    Colorado Springs the public courses don't allow you to wear them.
    
                                             HOOT
    
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Note 18.8                             Shoes                              8 of 13
PARITY::LAPLANTE                                      6 lines  11-JUL-1986 20:26
                           -< Foot-Joy Ultra Lights >-
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     I have been wearing a pair of Foot-Joy Ultra Lights. They are light
    weight like a track shoe. They have the soft sole with plastic threads
    on the spikes. Also, they are waterproof. Check them out.
    
                                                   Bill
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Note 18.9                             Shoes                              9 of 13
SSDEVO::LIPP                                          6 lines  11-JUL-1986 23:08
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    My husband has the Foot-Joy Ultra lights and I have the Bobby Clampett
    light shoes.  Both are tennis style and do very well on the hard
    ground out here in Colorado.  I prefer the spikes over the spikeless,
    plus the golf courses here don't allow the latter anyway.
    
    Nicki
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Note 18.10                            Shoes                             10 of 13
DICKNS::F_MCGOWAN                                     9 lines  22-JUN-1987 21:10
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    I just discovered this note (only about a year late). I'm amazed
    to hear that some courses don't allow spikeless shoes. What's the
    reason for that? As for their effectiveness: I've worn Etonic
    spikeless for two seasons, and the only disadvantage I've seen is
    when the course is damp (like this past April), where they have
    a tendency to slip and slide on full shots. Other than that, they
    seem very adequate. You can also put 'em on at home and drive to
    the course (which saves a bit of time when you get there).
    
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Note 18.11                            Shoes                             11 of 13
BEES::SCHLIESMANN "Barry Schliesmann"                 6 lines  23-JUN-1987 13:39
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I think courses object to the depressions in greens made by the rubber spikes.
I have seen some pretty nasty foot marks from that type of shoe, but nothing
that could compare to the scuffs and hacks made by conventional spikes.
Ofcourse, marks from metal spikes result from foot dragging and other
human faults, while rubber spike marks are generated without effort from 
the wearer.
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Note 18.12                            Shoes                             12 of 13
DICKNS::F_MCGOWAN                                    10 lines  23-JUN-1987 16:28
                        -< The rub(ber) of the green? >-
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    RE. 11
    
    Hmm, I guess the courses I play on aren't all that fussy. To be honest,
    I've never noticed any depressions on the green caused by rubber
    spikes (I've seen lots of depressed people on greens, usually including
    myself, after 3 or 4 putts). It's just never been an issue for me
    and it surprised me that others had a problem. I guess I'll just
    file it under "questions not to ask when you sign in at the course,
    'cause you might not like the answer."
    
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Note 18.13                            Shoes                             13 of 13
EAYV05::WEED                                         19 lines  24-JUN-1987 12:47
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    Now and again, I caddy for my cousin on the WPGA circuit when it
    reaches Scotland.
    
    Caddies are not allowed to wear ordinary spiked shoes for fear of
    scuffing up the greens which is understandable - theres a large
    fine for any girl whose caddy wears spikes. However rubber spiked
    shoes are allowed which is quite surprising as I find that they
    tend to leave a lot of depressions on the greens over here which
    are, more often than not, pretty soft even at the height of summer.
    
    From a playing point of view I find them ok to wear apart from the
    (few) times when the fairways get really burnt by the sun and a
    sort of glaze appears on them. This ususally happens on the seaside
    links courses I play on. Then its like trying to play with 
    roller skates on.
    
                                           Mike
    roller skates on. 

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Note 83.0                          Footjoys???                         3 replies
MPGS::POND                                            8 lines  19-MAR-1987 04:56
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       I am looking to buy some footjoy shoes. Do any of you Fussy
    Zellers know of a discount place in N.E area, I DO NOT want to
    pay 100.00 for golf shoe. I have also heard the footjoy is made
    in one of the "shoe-towns" in the south shore.
    
    ps Im also looking to get a P.W. too.
    
    Thanks/Neal of the 19th
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CALLME::MR_TOPAZ                                      7 lines  19-MAR-1987 13:55
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     re .0:
     
     Nevada Bob's in Woburn (Washington St exit; 1st exit south of I-93)
     sells Foot Joys, though I'm not sure how much (if at all) they are
     discounted.  I paid about $50 for a pair of Sof-Joys last month.
     
     --Mr Topaz
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USWAV3::FAGERBERG                                     7 lines  19-MAR-1987 14:40
                                 -< Foot Joys >-
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    RE .0
    
       Footjoys are made in Brockton and have an outlet store open to
    the public call me at dtn 277 7238 and I'll give you directions.
    Also on the South Shore off rte 18 behind the So. Shore Hospital
    there is a small shoe store, the $100 leather Foot Joy usually
    sell in the $40 - $50 range.
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WORDS::NISKALA "Bayysaball been berry berry goot to" 10 lines  19-MAR-1987 14:45
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    	A new Nevada Bob's just opened in Kittery, Maine on Rt. 1
    where all the factory outlet stores are. I haven't been there
    but it must be within a mile of the Kittery Trading Post, since
    all the factory outlets are in one of the mini malls there. I saw
    an ad for the grand opening of the Kittery store and they had listed
    some coupons to get additional discounts off may items. I think
    I saw somewhere, that a Nevada Bob's is supposed to be opening in
    Salem, NH sometime in the future. Hope it's soon, since I live there.
    
    Keith

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Note 209.0                "DISCOUNT GOLF SHOES WANTED"                 2 replies
OURVAX::GLASS                                         8 lines  29-FEB-1988 08:19
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    HI,
    I would like to buy a fine pair of golf shoes,but refuse to pay
    the full shop price.
    Does anyone know where there is a discount FOOT-JOY store in the
    greater Boston area.
    I seem not to be able to find any hint in the "keywords" utility.
    Thanks in advance!
    Tom
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MPGS::PERCUOCO                                        9 lines  29-FEB-1988 13:20
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    HI TOM,
    
      I'VE BEEN BUYING FOOT-JOYS AND ULTRA-JOYS AT
    NEVADA BOBS FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW! THEY HAVE
    PRETTY GOOD PRICES AS WELL AS A PRETTY WIDE SELECTION!
    CHECK EM OUT!!
    
    		 TOM
    P.S. I SHOP AT THE ONE IN WESTBORO.
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OURVAX::GLASS                                         5 lines  29-FEB-1988 16:07
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    Thanks,Tom.
    
    I'll give the Westboro store a try!
    Tom
    

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Note 346.0                 Info on Etonic Lites Shoes                  2 replies
BPOV06::MACKINNON                                     5 lines  28-JUL-1988 09:45
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    	Does anyone out there own a pair of Etonic Lites golf
    shoes?  I just got a gift certificate for a free pair and
    would like info on which shoes to choose out of the Lites
    collection.  Thanks
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MILVAX::FENTON                                       11 lines  28-JUL-1988 12:48
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    I just bought a pair at the Maynard Outdoor Store for $40.00 
    and as far as I'm concerned they were a great buy!!!!  I looked
    for golf shoes for about two months......tried Nevada Bobs, local 
    discount shoe stores and some of the local public courses.  
    Go to the outdoor store and grab'm because they just recieved 
    the shipment in this week!!!!!  They look like sneakers and are
    just as comfortable and even come with a comfort guarantee!!!!!
    
    John
    
    
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WILLEE::MOLINE                                       11 lines   9-AUG-1988 12:40
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    I'm not sure if mine are the "Lites", but I have Etonics and I love
    them.  They're comfortable, they're cool, and they're durable.
    
    Unfortunately, I haven't noticed any change in the golf game yet
    this year. 
    
    This is the first year that I've had the Etonics.
    
    Regards,
    
    Bob

       Being a typical member of the LBGA (Laid Back Golfers Assoc.),
    I've always played the Game in sneakers, not shoes! I've been told
    that playin' with shoes/spikes would take a couple of strokes of
    my game! Comments please...
    
    
    						a sneaky Hacker,
    								Bob
    

    
    	I have no dought in my mind that if you got a good pair
    	of golf shoes instead of a pair of sneakers that you
    	would play a little better. Better stability, balance,
    	and obviously less slipping.
    
    	I will never forget the sight last year in early March,
    	playing for the first time at the Cape, a person in the
    	group in front of us actually fell on his duff when he
    	took a swing at the ball.....!!!!! He obviously had not
    	played much golf before, but...!!!
    
    	Gene

    	You gotta have shoes with steel spikes.  Not even shoes
    	with nubbies will get it.  Some courses out here in the
    	the Valley of the Sun will only allow shoes with spikes.
    
    	Don't see how anyone can play with sneakers (even Air 
    	Jordans) when the grass is wet with dew or frost.

    I believe that for most situations golfers should wear the standard
    set of golf spikes while on the course but here are a few instances
    that you might want to think about that favor sneakers:
    
    (1) There are times when players get into those 'swing ruts' where
    nothing they do seems to help them. I have been there and on occasion
    have found that going to the practice range with a pair of 20 year
    old Converse sneakers (aged just so there is absolutely no tread
    on the bottoms) to regain my swing balance and tempo. I had read
    about (and admired) the swing and grace of Sam Snead and actually
    believed the mythology about his playing barefoot as a youngster
    as a key to his lasting, effortless swing. This practice can also
    help during a round giving you something to focus on - you just
    can't take that same wicked swipe at the ball wearing sneakers without
    ending up in traction.
    
    (2) Most winter golf situations do not favor the use of spikes -
    especially frozen ground. It is quite easy to turn an ankle in falling
    off your spikes that have not dug into the frozen tundra.
    
    (3) When either you don't know how to walk in them or when you are
    tired. There may be nothing worse (perhaps with the exception of
    the crater/footprint left in the sand trap) than following a group
    of clods dragging their feet on all 18 greens.

    Spikes tend to give you an advantage on full shots primarily
    by anchoring your right foot (for righties) through impact and the
    early stages of the follow through. I can picture Greg Norman losing
    his back foot on the 18th hole of the '86 Masters costing him his
    final chance for victory against Nicklaus.
    
    If you are comfortable playing in sneakers then by all means continue
    to do so. It is still possible to learn a swing and develop your
    game without spikes - just ask Snead....

      I keep three kinds of golf shoes.  
    
      Dexter Lakewoods for sloppy days,
      Dexter Olympics(?) (the classic all leather dress-like shoe) for
       great weather,
      And Nikes for quick trips to the driving range and as spares.
    
      ALL WITH SPIKES!!!  I wouldn't consider playing without them.
     For this reason I have a pair in the trunk of both cars!!
    
    Rick

    		Is my watch slow? I have the 12th registered. How did
    he already get his reply in for the day after tomorrow????????

    Well in defence of spikeless shoes I use a turf shoe. I found that
    I had a problem with comfort with the spiked shoes. In three years
    of use I can honestly say that I haven't had one problem with my
    feet slipping during a shot. I have slipped walking but not during
    shot making. I have two pair of shoes. One that I play in and one
    that I wear at the range. I have played in cold,rain,sun.... morning
    noon and afternoon. I never suffer and discomfort. 
    
    
    Tom

I have golf shoes for every occasion, and I use all of them.  My tournament
shoes are leather and are worn only in nice weather, not necessarily just
in tournaments.  My mud shoes are great in the spring, when I have early
morning tee times, and whenever the weather is wet.  These are the most
practical shoes in the lot.  My casual shoes are used when I just plain
feel like hacking around.  They are very comfortable for 36 holes and are
not bad in mud.  My new addition is the house shoe.  Now these shoes 
drive my wife crazy.  I like to use the spikeless shoes for practicing in
the house, at the range, and hopefully when I take some lessons this 
season.  Haven't you noticed a difference with your balance when practicing
in socks or with your golf shoes on?  Yup, golf shoes have heels.

Regarding the "spike" versus "spikeless" issue, I am a "spike" advocate.
I played one round with the "spikeless" at New Seabury this past fall.  
The spikeless do not seem to provide the same traction.  I found this to be
the case on tee areas that might be a little wet and have been trampled to
death.  Then again, golf *is* a mental game.  If you feel confident 
without spikes that's great.

Jeff


  Tournament Shoes -- 3 pairs of FJ Classics (white, black, w/b saddle shoe)

  Mud Shoes -- 1 pair waterproof Etonic saddle shoe (w/b)
               1 pair waterproof Etonic whatevers (beige)

  Casual Shoes -- Nike "sneaker-type" when wearing shorts, etc.

  House Shoes -- Dexter leather spikeless (black)

    Foot-Joy Classics all the Way. I am two pairs, one this clean and
    one that is dirty.
    
    DOn
    

    I am just getting my mind back into golfing as the warm weather
    it upon us, therefore my two cents on this subject may seem a bit
    late.  My comments regarding spikes is simple and straight-forward.
     Buy a pair!!
    
    I speak from experience.  I used to play in running shoes and I
    like to play in light rain (because I am a duffer and I can practice
    shots as long as I want, cuz I have the course to myself).  Two
    years ago, as I shot an iron towards the green, my left foot slipped
    on the wet grass, and screwed up my knee.  The injury kept me off
    the course for 5-6 weeks.
    
    Buy the spikes and pray for rain.
    
    Chuck

    maybe .1 has the right idea playing in sneakers....!!!!
    
    I believe it was sam snead that said when he's been out there
    playing a while and starts losing his tempo he go's back to his
    farm and plays BAREFOOTED....this he says reminds him that balance
    on any shot is the most important thing....!!!!you can't kill
    that little white ball if playing barefooted caus if you try you'll
    end up on your duff...
    
    maybe those of us that feel you "gotta have spikes" and "it'll
    take strokes off your game" should try 9 holes with no shoes...i.e.
    barefooted and see how our tempo and balance improves...and our
    game...!!!

    re .2, .10
    
    The major contribution of spikes is in allowing one to over swing at
    the ball yet maintain enough control to still look good and wonder why
    one is not doing very well.
    
    About 4 years ago I sunburned my feet and could not wear shoes. I
    played two league matches bare foot. My score was Significantly lower
    than my handicap. Then I put my spikes back on and started to shoot my
    handicap again. So I took the spikes off. I don't hit quite as far
    but the shots are significantly better. Now I can tell when I'm 
    overswinging and backoff. 
    
    Lately I've wondered if I should go back to spikes. But I haven't
    found any driving need for it.
    
    Dj

    
    Anyone know of a good place (i.e. good selection & price) to find
    golf spikes in Mass and/or southern N.H. I've already checked
    Nevada Bob's and New England Golf Supply (Salem,NH).
    
    

    
    re: .13	Have you tried Spag's?  Probably limited in selection,
    		but you never know.
    
    Alan

I have size 9EEEE feet.  Does anyone make golf shoes this size ?

Assuming they exist, where in the eastern Massachusetts area could I buy 
them ?  (worcester-centric view of the world)

You should talk to the FootJoy factory in Brockton.  I have gone there in the 
past to get special orders and have had no problems.

good luck,

Mike

    
    re .15
    
    My golf partner is like you. He gets his shoes at the Hancock shoe
    store. They're someplace in Mass. 
    
    Mike

    I think it's Hanlon shoes - they specialize in weird
    sizes...
    
    --Jack