Conference napalm::musclecars

    I created this note in order to ask an AMC question.
    How rare/desireable are the '74 AMX's?  (Mind you this
    is not the horrible rebadged Hornet version, but a Javelin
    bodied car)  I ask because there is one sitting in Leclair's
    salvage yard in Chester NH.  Not in bad shape either.  It 
    also has what appears to be a factory fiberglass hood.  Car is
    an auto with console, and has a *MINT* dash with full guages.
    Interior is pretty good, body dented but not too rusty.
    Can't get the hood open so the motor is a mystery.  Any of you
    AMC nuts care to clue me in on this car?  Mike Moroney??..............
    
    
    Tom
    Tom

    There were 4980 '74 AMX's made.
    
    What engine does it have. The 401cid was still offered in '74 and I
    think is pretty rare in itself.
    
    I don't have any info on current values...
    
    /tb/

The 71-74 AMX are worth less than the 2 seaters of 68-70, as the '74 AMX was a
package on the Javelin rather than a separate model.  They are worth more than
a base Javelin, and the bigger the motor, the better.  Since it is an AMC,
it is worth quite a bit less than similar cars from the Big 3, so don't expect
to fix it and sell it and retire.  Actually offhand I'd say a few hundred
bucks for a repairable car.  I'll check ads and Old Car Price Guide tonight
to be sure.

The 7th digit of the VIN is the engine.  Offhand H or N is 304, P or S is
360 and X or Z is 401.  This is from memory, I'll verify this tonight.
If you get the hood open there's a tag on the pass. side valve cover with a
number on it, the 4th digit is the engine code.  As valve covers are swappable,
the only way to be sure of the engine size is the number cast into the sides
of the block below the exhaust manifolds.

-Mike

    Mike,
    
    I wasn't really interested in the value as much as it's
    interest to other Musclecar fans.  I just hate to see
    good cars go to waste.  If I ever have occasion to visit
    LeClairs again I will check the VIN.  If it turns out to
    be a 401 car I'll let you know.
    
    Tom

    1970 Javlin sst 360 for sale
    rebuilt 360 300hp With go package. Newly rewired,new brakes and lines
    this is a nice car car if you like AMC.
    360 4bbl
    390 trac loc posi rear
    auto trans
    go pack
    factory tinted glass
    rare vynal top
    I also have  side mount exhaust for it (factory option but did not come
    with this car) $3000 or bo now after restoration $7800 firm.
        
                                       
                        
    

    1970 javlin and 1969 1970 amx parts wanted.
    interior,emblems,motors (360 390 only)rear ends side mount exhaust
    go pack set ups  top dollar paid 

    in notes .5 and .6 send replies to Denine_v@wmois

    I'm inserting this because you left out 1 of the great AMC'S                    
    The "GREMLIN"!! A freind of mine has a 71 to 74 (I don't rember the
    year). But it has a 401 (built) 4spd. This car is beautiful!
    It's been completely restored and has won 15 first place's.
    He's now thinking of making it PRO-STREET!! Unbelievable .
    This is one car that make's a CHEVY LOVER THINK!!!
    
    ME...
    
    

re .8:

Is this car somewhere in the Fitchburg area?  I've heard of a 401 Gremlin around
here but haven't seen it.

-Mike

    	I have seen the "Fitchburg 401 Gremmie" the guy's name is Randy I
    think. Nice guy. Nice car. The motor came out of a Matador.

    	CB

    RE: .9-.10
    
    Yes the gremlin is in the fitchburg area. It can be seen near the
    boat dock on the lake front by whalom park. (on weekends only if 
    its not raining). The guy's name is Randy.. Nice ride.....
    

    I have a javlin sst I am going to restore . I need some help though
    After doing some research on the vehicle I found out it was originally
    a 360 2bbl it came with a factory 4bbl and manifold on it when I bought
    it. It also has the go pack hood with it .The question in need of
    anwsering is if I were to do the following mods to the vehicle 
    would it make it any more desireable and worth any more in value .
    Here is what I would like to do . Install the go package on the 
    car along with the side exhaust system .These were both factory
    options on the car for that year .Other than the 2 bbl this car
    is well optioned even has the 3:90 trac lock posi Cant figure 
    out why it has all this and  2BBL anyhow your help and suggestions 
    would be appriciated .Also I dont know how to add a new topic to 
    the file and wanted to put this under a topic for something like 
    restoration facts and tips or something like that.Mod or anyone
    who thinks it sounds like agood idea could you add it to the dir.
     Thanks :*) 
                                                 

Without the original window sticker or build sheet there's no way to prove
whether a particular car came with or without most options, as long as
you put only stuff that was available for that year, the colors match etc.

There isn't really much desire for a "confirmed 100% original" car anyway
unless it's really nice, unlike the "matching numbers" Vette crowd.  So
any options that were originally available for that car will make it more
desireable.

What is the 7th digit of the VIN, I can confirm whether this was originally
a 2bbl or 4bbl car.  Also the # on the pass side valve cover will indicate
what that engine originally had on it.

-Mike

    Can anyone tell me the difference between the 2 bbl 360 version
    and the 4bbl version.The 360 2bbl version is rated at 9.5 cr
    and the 4 bbl version is rated at 10.25cr . I was under the 
    impression that the only difference in the 2 and 4 bbl version
    was the heads.I was also told the only difference was the valve
    size.If this is true than The intake and exhaust runners as well
    as the combustion chamber volume would be the same.So were does the 
    increase in compression come from .I know the smallblock chevy
    but am not familiar with the AMC engineering .I want to built up
    my 360 mildly  enough to propell my javlin into the mid 13's.I 
    intend to do some suspension work also run 3.90 gears And use
    the stock exhaust manifolds run into factory side exhaust.If any
    one could fill me in on wich heads are better and how well
    the factory cast intake manifold is it would save a lot of head aches
    on my part.Also I am free to any other info you want to share.
     

re .14:

I'm pretty sure AMC got different compressions by changing pistons.  My Machine
390 and my ex-beater 70 Ambassador 360 2bbl both have the same casting numbers
for the heads.

For performance you want the dog-leg heads.  70 and later V8s.  The 304 had
smaller valves than 360/390/401.  For bolt-on compression, the 70 and early
71 heads are best as they have smaller combustion chamber sizes than later
heads. I heard that certain later heads flow better but I am unsure of this.

-Mike

     I just picked up another 70 javlin this one is a 4spd car.
    I want to replicate the trans am javlin .Does anyone have any litature
    or know of a good source of information for this car .

    
    Re .16
    
    Alright, I'm getting a little confused.  It seems that in nearly 
    every topic in this note you are building, want to build, have built
    something else.  What gives???  (probably just me being a pain, but
    my curiousity is killing me!)
    
    Tom

Yeah, I'd be interested in what you've got as well...

-Mike

    No you aren't being a pain.I have 3 projects going currently.A chevette
    witch I am building(rather slowly)I was going to put a hemi in it
    but it wasnt the motor I thought it was.So now it is going to be a
    350 smallblock.I also have the javlin witch I just aquired.(have one 4
    sale also have an AMX 4sale)I am also building a truck .I sold my
    camaro race car and am going to use some of that $ to finish the
    chevette.I guess you arent as lucky to have an uncle or relitive
    who works in a salavage yard and has his own half @$$ yard .So I PAY
    little to NOTHING for my stuff.So I fix up stuff drive em get bored and 
    sell em .Not all that I do is top  shelf but I do have fun.I found a
    S.D. 455 trans am for sale .IT is not in my uncles yard though.I really
    cant afford it but WHAT THE HE!!If that is to vague I will gladly
    elaborate further come on out to my garage.
    CHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         

    DEVIN HEMING
     	I have a 83 Scrambler w/ a AMC 150 4cyl 4spd.
    It is making a clanking noise which is coming from behind 
    the timeing chain cover. Does anyone know if this model had
    a cam button??????????
    The motor is a 4 star rebuilt.
    
    I am debateing changeing the motor to something larger.
    Any ideas????????? And where can I find the ideas????
    
    					reply to 
    				comet::heming

I am somewhat interested in a '70 AMX that I can buy pretty reasonable.
Its without motor and some other drivetrain components I'm told but the
body, frame, interior, are in excellent condition.
Since I'd ONLY be drag racing with a small block Chevy in it, this sounds
like the perfect car but I need to know some particulars about this car
before I even get any further involved, even to look at. It's somewhat far away.
Can anyone tell me if this is a full frame car? 
What did it come with (to the best of your knowledge) for a stock engine?
What type of rear end does it have (stock) and will it hold up to 500HP
with a set of slicks? I know I'd have to change axles at least but is the
rear itself capable of drag racing abuse or would I have to change to a 9"
Ford?
Whats the weight of these cars in stock trim?
Whats the wheelbase?
Finally, would I be better off just buying it and reselling it to an AMX
'nut", which I am not. I just think it might make a good drag car but if its
worth more selling it, I may do that. Any ideas to its worth as I said, sans
drivetrain?

Thanks for your help.
Dick

    
    Dick,
    
    While no AMX expert myself, these cars have a very short wheelbase,
    and excellent weight transfer in a drag race configuration.  Witness
    the sucess of the AMX in Super Stock during the late sixties/early
    seventies.  I'd say you should give this car serious consideration - 
    particularly if the price is right.  If nothing else, it might be nice
    to have something "different" at the track.  The world already has too
    many 10 second Novas, Camaros, Mustangs, etc.
    
    Tom

The '70 AMX was available with a 304, 360 or 390 V8., all 4bbl.  The 390 was
rated at 325 hp, don't remember the HP of the others offhand.  The VIN will
identify the engine (and transmission if not obvious), the 7th digit identifies
the engine.  X is 390, I don't remember the others at the moment.  The 3rd
digit M is 4sp, A or C is automatic (Borg Warner),

The AMX is quite light, this and the short (97") wheelbase means you may have
to take provisions against 'wheelies' at the HP you are talking about.  The AMX
(and all AMCs of the time) are unibodies.  I'll look up the weight tonight.
The '70 is the rarest, and depending on options and condition it might be
worth some to an AMX nut.  390 4sp is worth the most, followed by 390 auto.
Rally pack (gauges) are worth some, you may be able to sell these separately.
Check the paint code (bottom of driver's door, where it meets door jamb), if
it's 00 or SPEC or SPECIAL the car is a special run of some sort, might be
obvious if it's the original paint.  Engine code Y also indicates a special
high power 390 engine (don't know if any '70s came through like this)
Disk brakes and some engine stuff indicate a Go Pack, makes a car worth some
more.

The rear is an AMC design used with V8s.  I honestly don't know if it can
take 500 HP with slicks I think it can.  It's likely to have limited slip.
Likely to be a 3.54 or 3.91, or 3.2 something ratio.

I'll look up what I didn't answer tonight.  A parts place has a guide to
estimate the value according to options.

It ought to be a good drag car.  I don't know the specifics of putting a
small Chevy in it (sacrilige! ;-))

-Mike

    
    I am in the process of helping my brother replace his Jeep motor.
    It occured to me as I was bolting on the replacement timing chain
    cover that the Mopar logo on the AMC motor looked all WRONG.  It
    kind of made me sad to realize the Little car company from Kenosha
    is no longer with us........too bad, they were kind of a breath of
    fresh air for those tired of the big three.  many 8^(
    
    Tom

    I have a good friend that is really interested in getting a Rambler
    Scrambler. Anyone got any info, please drop me a line..
    
    
    
    Steve         (MYCUDA::COE)

Is he looking at a particular car to buy or is this something he would like
to find and get?

-Mike

He is looking to buy a Rambler Scramble (69 I believe). He doesn't care if it is
already restored, or in need of restoration. Soooo, again, if anyone knows of one
for sale, let me know.

Steve

    
    
    Steve,
    
       Rambler Scramblers are hard to find, the last one
    I saw was ( <- serious letter inversion :-) ) at 
    Barrett Jackson. You might also want to let your
    friend know about the difference in price of buying
    a restored on versus restoring one. 
    
    
    Dave

They only made about 1500 SC/Ramblers, it was a 1 year model (69 only).  I
belong to a couple AMC clubs and once in a while one turns up for sale in the
club want ads, but not often.  They turn up in Hemmings sometimes as well.
Some I have seen with rather healthy price tags.

-Mike

If your friend has some serious $ for a nice sounding car, the latest AMO
newsletter has 2 SC/Ramblers for sale.

1) 46,000 original miles, "A" paint scheme, 1990 AMO silver winner, $11,000

2) Fresh restoration, "B" paint scheme with accurate paint/stripe placement,
new emblems, carpet, upholstry and tires, 63,000 miles, complete in every
detail, $11,000 negotiable.

Also 4 "Machines" for sale.

-Mike

Mike, Send me the phone #s and I'll pass them along. My buddy is a die-hard 
MoPar man, but currently has a thing for the Scrambler.

Steve

    FOR SALE
    
    1972 "AMX" 401 JAVELIN WITH GO PACKAGE.
    
    FRESH PAINT - BLACK. BODY HAS NO RIPPLES.
    
    MOSTLY STOCK $5000.00
    
    WORK PH. 805-589-9420 ASK FOR ROB OR RICK.
    HOME PH. 805-326-8337 ASK FOR RICK.

         1970 javlin sst 390 for parts

    YES another but different 1970 javlin for sale 
    360 go pack,auto trans 12 bolt posi.needs interior work and 
    brakes  1,850 or best can be seen on RTE 117 in stow mass.