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	You will require firearms to deal with the blackflies...

    Or you can set your arms on fire.

    
    Or you can write our gov't officials and tell them how much money
    you are "not" spending here due to excessive regulation of firearms.
    
    This to preserve your right to hunt as a tourist...
    
    Rgds, Pat

    Your tour operator should be able to look after gun and license issues.
    For the moment I don't believe there are any special rules beyond
    legislated common sense safe storage and care are required and you must
    have a valid hunting license to carry a gun in the open.  You will have 
    to do some paperwork at customs to bring the gun through. As you may have 
    guessed from the previous replies this will change somewhat in the
    future. If the current proposals go into place you would be required to
    take a course and pass a test on gun safety and pay a hefty fee. 
                                                                    
    You will require hunting and fishing licenses, even to catch & release
    fish.
    
    As for the black fly I can't say it better than the folk song that
    goes:
    	"O the black fly, little black fly,
    	 always the black fly wherever I go,
    	 I'll die with the black fly pickin' my bones
    	 in North Ontario..
    
    Seriously the only thing that might help a bit is a repellent
    containing DEET, a repellent developed for the military. Greasy nasty 
    stuff, the active ingredient is retained in body fat with prolonged use 
    and no data exists on the long term effects but for a week trip I'd take 
    the risk and bathe in the stuff. Popular brand name for the stuff is
    Muskol.
    
    I'd figure 4 hours Toronto to Subdury baring rush hour on the 400
    highway but it's been a long time since I made that drive so I may be
    underestimating.   

    POLAR::ROBINSONP
    
    >>This to preserve your right to hunt as a tourist...
    
     We must do something to stop this erosion of "rights". Since
    the ones the government will protect are in the constitution, why
    don't we quote the part that specifies the tourists have the "right"
    to bring guns into the country and blow away our wildlife. Kinda
    reminds me of Africa (why dose'nt that make me feel good?).
    
    Hey I have an idea, why don't we kill nearly all the black bears so they
    will become "rare". Then we could charge a heck of alot more for the
    "right" to kill the last couple. Preferably we would sell these "rights"
    to tourists to help the balance of trade.
    
    
    							Derek.
    
    (PS. I am not against hunting, I am against the use of the word "right"
    	in the same sentance as an activity related to gun use.)

	Moderator...

	How about moving the previous note to the gun note...that
	way street and robinson can duke it out in there....again.

	The Tripp Moderator

Ah yes,

Northern Ontario and Norther Quebec.

Where black flies and mosquitoes are so big they have to get down on their
knees to bite you...

Usually the black fly/mosquito situation improves around end of July/beginning
of August.

Use Muskol with at least 40% deet.  Any more is apparently not worth it and
may not be too good for you.

/Mario

    re: time to sudbury; 4hrs is a good estimate but i would suggest you
    take the ferry from tobermory to manitoulin island. You woul go north
    from Toronto along hwy 6 until the end. Signs to the ferry are well
    marked. This trip woul take you about 8 hrs but the drive down hwy 6 is
    beautiful and manitoulin island is also spectacular.
    re:black flies. I have tree-planted in northern ontario during black
    fly season and suggest the following: spray 2 handkercheifs with deet
    or off and tie one around your neck and the other on your head. Spray
    the upper portion of your socks with the same and tie down both pant
    and shirt cuffs, did i mention you should wear long sleeves? I there is
    an exposed part of your body with no deet the flies will find them.
    This is of course an extreme measure but take it from a person who has
    had black fly bites over 40% of his body, it sucks and can really put a
    kink in you well laid plans. You may also want to wear neutral colour
    clothing, ie. brown, grey, medium green, etc.
    re: what to do in sudbury? Not much, nice smoke stack thats about it.
    re: weather in june. Well the snow should be all gone but the mornings
    are frosty -2C - +5C. It may be cold in the morning but all you have
    todo is find a patch of sunlight and wham! instant warmth. During the
    day you get highs of about +20C but most probably 12C - 18C. 
    Good luck, I envy you, I left my heart in White River Ont. Oh yeah one
    more thing. Clean your campsites when you leave.

    Thanks for all of the info so far.  I just realized that the base camp
    is another 5 hours past Sudbury....looks like a long drive ahead.
    
    Has anyone ever heard of getting a Vitamin B shot before going into the
    woods?  Someone told me that it might help keep the flies away.  Sounds
    too easy.
                                                                           

Are you going to Ivanhoe Lake in Northern Ontario by any chance (owned by my
wife's godparents)?

/Mario

    A long trip from the DC area for sure.....

    The name of the lake is, Paypeeshek.  The seaplane base is in Foleyet,
    about 200 mi NNW of Sudbury.  The outfitter is Air Ivanhoe.
    
    Where is Ivanhoe Lake?
    

As far as I know, Yvanhoe Lake is in Foliette.

What's the name of the resort you're going to?

/Mario

    Resort is not the word I would use to describe it!  The trip is a float
    plane fly-in, wilderness adventure.  It is a combined bear hunting and
    catch & release fishing trip, for one week.  The seaplane base is on Ivanhoe
    Lake, but the camp we are going to is about 150 miles north on lake
    Paypeeshek.  There is a facility on Ivanhoe, but we will only be there
    one night.                                   
    
    Anyone have any favorite lures for Pike or Walleye?

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Okay here she goes!!
    
    This is a lure (more like bait, actually)  used succesfully in the far 
    remote areas around Sarnia, deep into Objibway territory. 
    Should work even better under the milder, and warmer conditions of 
    Northern Ontario.
    
    take: 
    
    4 lbs. pork shoulder
    1 clove garlic
    2 medium onions, quartered
    � cup water
    salt and pepper
    
    Make several slits in meat and insert slivers of garlic. Brown meat
    in a heavy pan, sprinkle with salt and pepper and add onions and
    water. Cover and cook gently on top of stove until well done (about
    3� hours), turning occasionally. If necessary, add a little more
    water during cookin to avoid sticking (8 servings). Add potatoes, 
    carrots and turnip 1 hour before the meat is done. After removing roast 
    from the pan, add 1 cup water to drippings. Bring to boil, scrape brown 
    drippings from bottom of pan and stir continuously until well blended. 
    Simmer 2 to 3 mins. Pour into small bowl and chill until firm. 
    Then take:
    2� lbs. back bacon, unsliced
    1 cup brown sugar
    2 tsp. dry mustard
    3 tbsp. flour
    3 tbsp. vinegar
    Place bacon on rack in roasting pan. Bake, uncovered, at 325 degrees
    Fahrenheit until well done ( 170F on meat thermometer, or about
    2 hours). Combine remaining ingredients and spread on bacon. Bake
    at 425F until glazed (10 to 15 minutes), basting once. (6 servings)
    After that is done take:
    2 LBS. LEAF LARD                           �TSP. PEPPER
    3 LBS. MINCED PORK                         2 CLOVES GARLIC, CRUSHED
    2 SMALL PORK KIDNEYS, MINCED               1 BAY LEAF
    2 CUPS BOILING WATER                       �TSP. SAVORY
    1 CUP CHOPPED ONION                        � TSP. CLOVES
    1 TBSP. SALT                               � TSP. NUTMEG
    
    Cut leaf lard in � inch pieces. Render over low heat until light
    golden, stirring occasionally. Drain and save fat. Grind cracklings
    in a meat grinder. Simmer pork and kidney in water for 1 hour, stirring
    occasionally to avoid sticking. Add cracklings and remaining
    ingredients. Cover and simmer 2 hours, stirring occasionally. REmove
    bay leaf. If mixture appears too lean, add a little of the rendered
    fat. Cool slightly. Mix well to distribute fat. Pour into bowls
    that have been rinsed in cold water. Chill until firm. Makes 7 cups.
    
    When you've got everything done, mix it together and put it next to the
    nearest bush where bears are known to gather. When one of them get 
    engrossed into eating the delicous stuff, use the opportunity to start 
    socializing, and if possible become its bestfriend. Bears are very good 
    at fishing. Once your relation reach a certain level of intimacy, 
    you just have to ask it to get walleyes or pikes for you. 
    Do not worry about the lure, as I said, bears are very good at fishing.
    
    Have a nice vacation! 

    <--- I'm going on fishing trips with him! Yes, yes I am.

    
    Can't you just order some in the Kanata cafeteria and take it home?
    
    Thursday's isn't it?

    re .09
    
    I have heard about taking vitamin B shots or tablets to help fight off
    black fly/mosquito bites but haven't heard of any success using it.
    Anything is worth a try.                       
    
    I use to work as a fishing guide at a place called Island Lake Lodge
    which is about 40 miles from Parry Sound and we had lots of flies.
    Deer flies were worse than the black flies and mosquito.
    One thing that worked for us was to wear light colored clothing - we
    all usually wore white coveralls and taped the leg and wrist openings.
    RAther hot on some days, but kept the flies away. 
    Use lots of replellant on your clothes and skin.
    
    We did find that drinking vast amounts of Irish whiskey kept the 
    flies away as well...or maybe we just didn't feel the bites.
    
    Good luck with your trip
                            

    Some answers to the base note.
    
    Toronto to Sudbury will take about 4-5 hours depending on traffic.
    
    If you follow the directions of what everone has told you so far about
    blackflies then you should be fine.
    
    Air Ivanhoe? Never heard of it!
    
    Firearm regulations, better to contact a Ministry of Natural Resources
    office and ask them.
    
    Things to do and see in Sudbury. Well, contrary to .8 there is lots to
    do in Sudbury. You can go to Science North (similar to Ontario Science
    Center), go underground at the Big Nickel, Sudbury has many lakes
    within the city limits to try your fishing luck or to go swimming in.
    At night you can watch INCO pour slag (looks like lava flows from a
    volcano). One thing that I have to agree with .8 on is Manitoulin
    Island. I was born and raised there (Little Current)and it really is a
    beautiful place. Try to visit if you can!
    
    Weather conditions. Expect rain,fog,sun,sometimes hail, and cool temps.
    Sometimes all in the same day!
    
    
    Have a good trip,
    
    Darren Aelick
    Sudbury, ONT
    

    re:.19
    
    Sorry about slamming Sudbury like that, I am from Hamilton and always
    hear bad things said about my home town. Heavy industry is not pretty
    and it takes some thought to be able to appreciate what can be seen in
    cities like Hamilton and Sudbury. 
    
    Truly sorry.
    chris