Conference kaosws::canada

    
    It is regulated on a province by province basis.  I have the 
    list at home, but from memory, I believe detectors are illegal
    in Quebec, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland to name a few.  
    
      Crossing the canadian border from the U.S. there are usually
    signs indicating whether detectors are allowed or not. 
    My experience with driving in canada indicates that it is so
    sparsely patrolled, and people drive so fast in the country
    that you can drive at any comfortable speed, and *still* be
    the slow one on the highway...   (Right, Scooter?  :^)
    
    					-al
    

    They are also illegal in Ontario and Manitoba.  And back a couple
    of years ago, it was legal in Saskatchewan and Alberta.
    
    Glenn

    re. all
    
    	I believe Radar Detectors are only LEGAL in New Brunswick and
    British Columbia.
    
    	A while back there was a scam in Quebec where they were selling
    Radar Detectors for the purpose of measuring the leakage of a Microwave
    Oven. This was an apparent loophole in the law which was quickly
    re-written of course....
    
    Glenn

    re: .3
    
    When did Alberta and Saskatewan ban them?
    
    Glenn

    They even have detectors who can detect radar detectors.
    
    An employee recently was stopped and had he radar detector confiscated
    and then fined.
    
    DL

    In Alberta detectors are technically illegal, but everyone has one.
    I believe that that someone won a case, and the government hasn't
    bothered or believes it can't win, so those with detetctors are
    not bothered.  Officially, they ARE illegal.  
    
    We are going through the same thing with seatbelts at the moment,
    but the government is chasing after this one, but not very fast.

    
    RE .5
    
    	How can a detector identify another detector?  The receiving detector
    does not transmit a signal, it only receives a signal.  Interesting, if
    it is the case.
    
    Eric

    RE .7
    
�    	How can a detector identify another detector?  The receiving detector
�    does not transmit a signal, it only receives a signal.  Interesting, if
�    it is the case.
 
    Back in Britain many years ago (and probably still) they used to
    have detector vans that would roam the streets looking for people
    with TV sets.  If they found one that was not on their records as
    having bought a licence to drive this dangerous device the perpetrators
    of this ghastly crime againt humanity would be ticketed.
    
    The detector would pick up stray emmisions from the TV's receiver
    coils (if I remember rightly).  The same, or a similar technique
    could apply with radar detectors 'cos you must have an oscillator
    of some kind to pick up the radar signal.
    
    Bob

RE .7

A receiver has a local oscillator that matches the transmitted
signal. When the received signal matches the local oscillator, a
signal gate is opened to trigger a warning device to let you know
of the radar unit. A sensitive frequency checker can detect the
presence of the signal-leaky radar detector. That is why some of
the cheaper radar detector can trigger a detector in your car.

cal

Arpad

I have two pre-85 or 86 Passports. They are the most reliable
when used with caution. I always use them on trips to Ottawa
where my folks now live. Used to take them to Vancouver when they
(folks) were there.

There are no such thing as a detect proof radar detector; they
ALL emit some sort of Radio Frequency Interference (RFI) as do
our terminals or workstations. (Just try to tune a broadcast
radio near the computer.) The way (and I don't know how OPP
plans to detect their detector trap) that the RFI is picked up is
with a frequency measurement device tuned to the frequency of the
radar detector local oscillator. By getting a blip in the
measurement, they can surmise that you have a detector. I believe
that they have to physically see the device before they can seize
it.

I believe that Fuzz-buster has a rechargeable radar detector that
can fit in a shirt pocket; ie sans wire to the car. It can be
buried inside a kleenex box and if they cannot see it they can
not take it away. The Fuzzbuster runs 4 hours on a charge from
the car cagar lighter.

cal hoe

I read somewhere in the news that Passport was one of the best in that they 
(the cops) had to be closest to it in order to detect the thing.  Good 
shielding maybe?

This same artikle said that the detecter manufacturers were waiting to get 
there hands on the police device so that they could start designing 
countermeasures.  This is all leading to cars shaped like batmobiles (stealth 
bomber lookalikes) featuring electronics-bays stuffed with military-like 
fuzz-busting hardware.

F

     For those Americans who come up north to visit, do not for one
    second think that American Law is Canadian Law. Our laws are very
    different than American laws in almost every application.
     If a police officer has probable cause, he can search your vehicle
    and your person. Probable cause can be shown in many ways, for example,
    your license plates are from the State of Maine (radar stuff legal
    there) and you are speeding and then suddenly you slow down to a
    speed near the legal speed limit. The fact that you are from the
    a state in the US where a radar detector is legal and the fact that
    you slowed down so suddenly gives probable cause, for stopping and
    searching you. An automobile is not regarded in Canada as being
    an extension of your residence, and is therefore not subject to
    the same laws of search and zeizure as a residance.
    
     When visiting us, slow down, drive professionaly, we don't want
    drunken tourists killing our children on the roads. People driving
    fast on roads that they are unfamiliar with are a danger to themselves
    as well as everyone else.
    
     Leave your radar detectors, rifles and handguns at home.
     You'd be nicked mate.

    Another way of finding detectors, is for an unmarked patrol car
    to follow a bunch of cars, then turn on their radar gun, the cars
    that show their brake lights are then pulled over and searched.
    
    Jean
    
    PS This is done in Qu�bec too.
    

    
    	With the completion of the Grand Canal, there will no longer
    be a need for Radar Detectors. The majority of Canadian traffic
    will be on our waterways by 1990 once the Grand Canal Project is
    completed. 
    	My advice is to save your money or buy a depthfinder instead
    unless they come out with depthfinder detectors, however I do not
    forsee that they will become illegal as they will assist you in
    navigating the Grand Canal.
    
    Glenn

     Lets say you drive 100 miles at 100 miles per hour. It takes you
    1 hour to travel 100 miles.
     Lets say your buddy drives 100 miles at 60 miles per hour. It takes
    your buddy 1 hour and 40 minutes to travel 100 miles.
     So speeding excessively at 40 miles per hour over the speed limit
    will save you 40 minutes.
    
     Folks who drive at 70 miles per hour in a 60 miles per hour zone
    will only be saving a few minutes over everyone else traveling at
    60 miles per hour. The probability of an accident caused by excessive
    speed and lack of concentration by a speeding driver (how many of
    you out there have to look at your passengers while talking to them
    while driving, c'mon, I've seen you) goes up rather dramatically
    for every 10 miles per hour over the speed limit.
    
     I can assure you, that by racing past me, wagging your offensive
    finger in my face and silently swearing at me, you will beat me
    to the RED LIGHT every time. In fact, I have no doubt that many
    of you will beat me to that BIG RED LIGHT IN THE SKY.
    
     SLOW DOWN, SPEED KILLS. Hardly any of you are professional drivers.
    There isn't a professional driver in his right mind that would want
    to race at even moderate speeds with any of you on the same track.
    
     By speeding down the highway, you endanger my life, my wife's life,
    my daughter's life, your wife's life, your children's life, and
    you obviously don't care about your life.
    
     Racing between Ottawa and Toronto, you may save 20 minutes by
    speeding. Hell, if 20 minutes is such a big deal you should learn
    to leave 30 minutes early each time. Unless you are driving from
    one side of North America to the other side, who cares if it takes
    an extra day to get there. If you kill or cause the death of other
    people on the way, was it worth it. Who gave you the right to take
    the life of someone else, arbitrarily.
    
     I just hope, that when you come screaming through the neighbourhood
    in your car at night to rush inside and grab that cold beer, it's
    your child that you kill and not mine.
    
     What's that you say, I don't race in my neighbourhood, Oh No, then
    why do you race in my neighbourhood?
                   

    While the police can search the car for a detector, they can't search
    you or your personal belongings.  Slip it into your purse or gym
    bag.
    
    And beware the Ottawa drivers who do the speed limit in the left
    lane.  They're more dangerous than the guys do 20 or 30 over the limit.

    Glenn

Richard does have a valid point - I've seen it.  Actually, today he's
got a knot in his face because someone flushed his soother down the 
toilet.

But, seriously fellow cretins ( as Richard has indignantly called everyone
who do not agree with him ), let us give thanks for being graced with the
presence of our self-appointed guardian angel.

I don't own a gun or rifle, I don't speed (my car has a governor on it that
locks up the carburetor at 40 klicks) and I don't have a radar detector.
But Richard has imposed on my sensibilities, so now I'm gonna buy a gun,
rent a fast car with a radar detector, and drive through Richard's living-
room and fire shots into his wimpy Tempo.

		RICHARD, TAKE A VALIUM !!
Pat

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Tomkins,

Are you serious? When I was in Ottawa in early May, I drove an
average of 100 KPH. I had folks pass me on the shoulder. When I
drove to Toronto, I kept with the pack; averaging 120KPH.

cal hoe

    One study reported that Germany had the lowest death rate on the
    authobans, and NO speed limits, meaning you go as fast as you can.
    A freind went for a 400Km "drive" in a porshe 928, as a pasenger,
    at speeds approaching 300Km/h, and when he asked what would happen
    if someone was to pull out suddenly to pass another car, the reply 
    was that other drivers don't do that.
    
    I have seen that done so often, you come up in the left lane at
    20-30 Km/h over what the others are doing, and suddenly, some jerk
    on cruise just pulls out, without checking, and signaling only at
    the instant that he steers left.  I'm sure he THINKS he his a good
    driver, he did signal and he did NOT speed, but he failed to look
    behind at what may be coming, like a previous reply said it so well,
    INATENTION, it's worse than speeding.
    
    Jean
    

	Rule 1 of safe driving

	Remember the other driver is also an idiot.

	Tony