Conference kaosws::canada

    re: .-1
    
    The dollar values are equalized.
    
    Scooter

        US on both sides, or Can on both sides ?
        

    
    
    Hello,
    
    I live in France (but I am Canadian) could you please explain to
    me what is going on with the US and Canada, are they taking down
    the borders?  Are Canadians becomming Americans?  I'm a bit out
    of touch and would like some clarification.
    
    			Thanks in advance,
    
    					Ad�le 
    

    Americans are becoming Canadians!!
    
    This means they will be able to identify France on a globe for
    example...
    
    8')

    
    
    From what I understand or hear on the news here, the customs are going
    away.  how does this affect a Canadian wanting to work in the US, or
    moving to the US?
    
    I'm curious because here in Europe, in 1992 the borders will be taken
    down and we will become the "European community"  that means that if
    you are European you can work and or trade in any other European 
    country (at least if I understand it correctly).  It will be viewed
    as one country.
    
    Is something like this happening in Canada?  I have a residency card
    for the US since I lived there for a long time and might go back some
    day does this have any effect?
    
    				thanks,
    
    				  Adele Hache(formerly from Nouveau
     						Brunswick)
    

    Part of the Free Trade Agreement includes the right to work in each
    country, if certain prerequisites are met, without requiring work
    visas, green cards etc. This will also allow people travelling on
    business to enter the countries much more easily.
    
    Over the next ten years all duties are to be removed from goods
    manufactured in either country and exported to the other. This is
    probably the reference to no border.
    
    We will continue to be two countries. The main difference will be
    in trading, much as the EC has done.
    
    Roger

    
    What pre-requisites will have to be met to work in Canada?
    
      

    Scooter's note (.0) was fascinating. I'd like some clarification
    of the following:
    
    	Were all the $'s quoted in US (ie. comparing like for like?)
    
    	How does the cost of living compare between the US and Canada?
    
    It looks like (demographic differences aside) that Canada has a
    better standard of living than in the US. If that is so, then one
    might expect, if all border barriers were withdrawn, a net influx
    of Americans into Canada (Canada needs more people, right?)
    
    If that equates to capital flow north of the border, then that is
    fine in my opinion, as that is the thing that appears, globally,
    to fuel economic expansion from country to country....
    
    I am a Canadian immigrant from the UK (currently living in
    Massachusetts) and have an interesting observation; that although
    in real terms I am paid about 40% better than I was three years
    ago in Canada and took a 30% hike upwards when moving, I find that
    my standard of living to be lower than when I lived in Ottawa, Ont.
    (ie. I seem to have proportionately less savings/disposable income
    than before.....)
    
    Tally-ho,
    
    Ray

    
>>>    	How does the cost of living compare between the US and Canada?
   
    	Cost of living is generally higher in Canada. For example, gas
    in the US is about $.95 a US gallon. Here its about $.45 Litre.
    All things equal, canada is about 15% more expensive.
     
>    It looks like (demographic differences aside) that Canada has a
>    better standard of living than in the US. If that is so, then one
>    might expect, if all border barriers were withdrawn, a net influx
>    of Americans into Canada (Canada needs more people, right?)
 
    Canada doesn't nescessarily need more people. It just needs quality
    people; especially in politics  :-( . If you consider our universal
    medicare programs, pensions, unemployment insurance, respect for
    multiculturalism, universal family allowances, respect
    for law and order, human life, the environment and no proliferation
    of handguns then I would agree with you that we have a better standard 
    of living.
    
    Canada was born out of a respect for Order & Good government, respct
    for authority & peace. This is evident when you look for example
    at the loyalists who left the US during the revolution. The development
    of the US (and it's heroes) has been one of revolution (& armed
    action). Look at American Heroes, it's always one man going against
    the traditional government & law (eg Gary Cooper in High noon).
    Canadian heroes on the other hand tend to be on the side of the Law.
    I know I'm generalizing but I'm merely showing a pattern.
    
    A good book to read to learn more about Canada in Pierre Burton's
    WHY CANADIANS ACT LIKE CANADIANS.
    
    These programs are not without cost, so we might earn more in dollars,
    but we also pay more for sevices, goods & taxes.
    
    If you not already read between the lines, I'm a bit pro canada.
    
       
    >If that equates to capital flow north of the border, then that is
    >fine in my opinion, as that is the thing that appears, globally,
    >to fuel economic expansion from country to country....
    
    Yes growth is good. But at what cost? What will disappear? Culture
    (ours that is), resources, political independance? That's what has not been
    determined. I suppose only time will tell now.
    
>    I am a Canadian immigrant from the UK (currently living in
>    Massachusetts) and have an interesting observation; that although
>    in real terms I am paid about 40% better than I was three years
>    ago in Canada and took a 30% hike upwards when moving, I find that
>    my standard of living to be lower than when I lived in Ottawa, Ont.
>    (ie. I seem to have proportionately less savings/disposable income
>    than before.....)

    Standard of living can be determined by the area of the country
    you live. Although Ottawa may be good compared to some Canadian
    or US cities there are Canadian cities that are worse off. For example,
    Toronto has an annual inflation rate of 5%, average apartment (one
    bedroom downtown) will range between $650 - 900. I currently pay
    $925 for a 2 bedroom way out in the suburbs.
    
    Glad you're interested.
    
    Regards
    
    Ron
         
    Tally-ho,
    
    Ray
    

    Culture is not something that *must* be preserved. It is something
    that *must* be allowed to _evolve_, and lead where influences direct
    it. Culture is NOT A TANGIBLE.
    
    It is a sum total, a flavour, a reflection.
    
    And, despite wishes to the contrary, it can never be controlled.
    Indeed, the large emphasis that some place upon the preservation
    of our unique culture, is itself _part_ of existing Canadian Culture.
    
    Scooter

    From what I've seen here in the U.S. over the last three years,
    I hope that Canadian culture spreads into America! Unfortunately,
    I can see that it would be all too easy for it to be the other way.
    
    However, whenever I speak with Americans about Canada (fairly
    frequently, as I do abaout Britain), they generally express envy
    at such a prosperous and well-balanced society, "clean" cities (how
    many times do you hear the word "clean"?).
    
    Let us hope that, as the borders open, the best of both societies
    and cultures go both ways. Which probably means a net improvement
    for the good ol' USA!!!
    
    Tally-ho,
    
    Ray
    
    PS When I stop noting, it will mean I've been fired.....

      CONTRASTS  AND OPPOSITES ...ANTITHESIS II ??
    
    The following were culled from Canadian and U.S newspapers/magazines
    the same weekend of Jan. 14th/15th 1989...
    Compare !!
    
    From the Jan. 14th.1989 issue the `Montreal Gazette'
    
    Regina(CP) - It is of no consequence that the victim of a gang
    rape were prostitutes, a judge said yesterday as he sentenced one
    of the attackers to 3 1/2 years in prison.
      The two women were 'treated as... objects rather than as humans..'
    Mr Justice E.A. Scheibel of court of Queen's Bench said as he 
    sentenced the accused.....
    
    
    Now from the U.S. Parade Magazine of Jan. 15th 1989...
    
    A reader's question: "I caught Kelly McGillis on T.V. a while back..
    the interviewer asked her if she has ever been raped ? McGillis
    replied 'Yes'.....Was the actress telling the truth....,?
    
    Answer: Kelly McGillis has truthfully and courageously revealed
    that in 1982, while a student at a Manhattan Drama School, she was
    brutally raped by two persons, one 20 and the other 15.
    "The two" she said.."forced me into my apartment...they took turns
    with me. They did vile and horrible things to me..."
         A month after the assault two poeple identified my McGillis
    were arrested..The 15-year old pleaded guilty to rape, sodomy..
    and other charges....
    Charges on the older 20 year-old male were dismissed by the judge
    because the evidence was said to be INCONCLUSIVE...(end of case)..
    
    
    Now let the reader objectively compare the tale of justices in two
    nations...
    
    
    Above compliled by Dr. Conscience ..  Canadian and U.S historical
    observer.
    

re .-1

What are you trying to say?  I don't see any comparison between the two
cases.   You have one case where a sentence is passed down; you have another
with inconclusive evidence.