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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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1680.0. "can it run in the family?" by BRYAN::TREBILCOTT (GM/EDS Account Group) Fri Jun 12 1992 17:17

    I am sure there are several different places this could be placed, but
    instead of dabbling in each one, I'm going to start a note.  Obviously,
    the moderators can move it...
    
    Why is it that some people seem to have psychic abilities and others
    don't?
    
    Is it hereditary?
    
    WARNING:  THIS WILL BE LENGTHY...
    
    My grandmother on my father's side has been psychic all her life.  She
    has had numerous premonitions that have come true, the most significant
    urging my grandfather to leave the party they were at because something
    terrible had happened to my father.  Upon putting their key in the door
    after returning, the phone began to ring, it was a hospital in Ohio
    (they live in Michigan) saying that there had been a terrible accident
    and my dad was hurt pretty badly.
    
    When I was very young, I started to show psychic abilities with
    telephones.  When it rang, even at other people's houses, I either knew
    who it was or who it was for.  I remember being seven and at my mom's
    mom's house with the whole family. It was dinner time and they were
    worried because no one could find my little brother.  The phone rang
    and I said, "That's Michael and he is calling from Bret's house." 
    There was no way I can explain how I knew that...it just popped into my
    head once the phone rang.  I still have this, including at work, where
    I'll know who it is or who it is for, before I answer, and again, even
    if I'm at someone's house.
    
    When I was ten, my aunt died, and I woke up the moment she died, and
    no one in the house knew yet (it was 5 am)...I remember sitting up and
    saying, "I can't believe she's gone."  The phone rang twenty minutes
    later to inform my mom that her sister died...
    
    Eleven months to the day later, I had an anyeurism and died, and had an
    after-life experience.  After that I seemed very able to communicate
    with other worlds, via dreams, visions, and just knowing things...
    dead people began to appear to me (family members) and I began to have
    predictions that would come true...the first significant one when I was
    13 and said to my mother one night, "Someone we love is going to be in
    a car accident tonight," and that night my uncle was.
    
    Four years later my best friend (who was a physician) was over before
    going on a trip.  I came downstairs and begged him not to go because I
    had a feeling he was going to die (I had dreamt it).  He smiled at me
    in a fatherly way and said, "You silly girl (he was from England), if
    ever I had to worry about dying it was when I was a boy and living in
    China with my family during World War II in the mission.  Our school
    was bombed.  Don't you worry."  The feeling persisted and I talked to
    him the Sunday before he left.  I told him that I loved him like a
    father and he was very dear to me and meant the world to me.  I don't
    know what prompted me to do this.  Anyway, he said he'd see me soon. 
    That week was finals.  On the phone I had asked him if he would have
    time before his trip to help me with my calculus final, and he said,
    "No, this one you'll have to do alone."
    
    That Thursday I was taking my calculus final...I felt I had done rather
    well.  That night I went home to find my mother in tears.  Since my
    grandfather had cancer, I figured he had died.  No, John had died.  My
    mother had a bad feeling and called his hotel in Colorado and the
    coronor answered the phone.
    
    Ever since then I've been terrified of my premonitions, but I believe
    them.
    
    Is it possible that someone is born psychic?
    
    So much more has happened, but I don't want to go on too long...
    
    can it run in families?
    
    my mother and father and brother don't seem to have it to my knowledge
    (they've never talked about it) although they all listen to me and I
    think they believe me...
    
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1680.1oh yeah...BRYAN::TREBILCOTTGM/EDS Account GroupFri Jun 12 1992 17:204
    btw:  I manged an 89 on that calculus final...the highest grade on a
    math final that year...
    
    
1680.2HELIX::KALLISPumpkins ... Nature's greatest gift.Fri Jun 12 1992 18:0621
Re .0:

Some people think "psychic" ability is hereditary; others believe asnyone can do
it.  I tend to believe the former, but will present both sides.

Heredity:

Some families show more than a trace of ability, and it often goes from
generation to generation.  Simplest explanation is that a psychic is born
with facilities that others have missed out on.  [Kinda the inverse of color-
blindness, which is also hereditary.]

Universal:

Some claim "everybody can do it" but that as we grow up, one or another
facility is suppressed.  (E.g., learning how to talk bypasses and
negates the use of telepathy.)

The jury is out on both.

Steve Kallis, Jr.
1680.3ENABLE::glantzMike @TAY 227-4299 TP Eng LittletonMon Jun 15 1992 10:1111
If psychic ability exists, why would it be much different from any
other human ability?

Almost anyone can be taught to play piano. Some people learn how to
play without instruction (can do it naturally). Very few people will
ever play like Vladimir Horowitz.

Almost anyone can be taught how to exercise their psychic faculties.
Some people learn how to do it without instruction (can do it
naturally). Very few people will ever achieve the mastery of Rumi.

1680.5Is it possible to have it but be afraid of it?BRYAN::TREBILCOTTGM/EDS Account GroupTue Jun 16 1992 22:3832
    Is it possible to have psychic ability but to not be able to draw on
    them because of either fear or skepticism?
    
    For example, after my best friend John died, the one I predicted his
    death?  Well, he came to me in dreams for several years afterwords, and
    a lot of the times he would show up and I would say, "We've got to call
    my mom!  You've got to talk to her" and we'd rush to a phone and my mom
    would answer.  I'd say, "Mom, I've got Dr. Webster on the phone!"  then
    hand the phone to her and he say, "Hello?  Hello?"  But she would never
    be able to hear him.  When I would wake up I would tell her about the
    dreams and she would say, "He was my friend too, I wonder why he
    doesn't come to me in my dreams?"
    
    I hypothesized that she didn't believe it was him, maybe, or she was
    afraid.  She was afraid to believe it was true...psychic abilities.
    
    She always respected what I had (gift) but was more than a little
    afraid of it.  She had heard the spirit go into my room, but still
    didn't want to believe what she had heard.  She thought it was terribly
    spooky that I was seeing spirits after my anyeurism.  
    
    Since I know her mother had had experiences (when I was in surgery, a
    spirit came to my grandmother in the hospital and told her I was going
    to be alright), so I have wondered if my mother had opened her mind,
    that she would not be able to experience the same abilities?
    
    That would support the theory that everyone has the ability but not
    everyone is able to use it?
    
    
    Elizabeth
    
1680.6SMILEY::GRIFFINPractice random kindness and senseless acts of beautyFri Jun 19 1992 14:176
    
    My personal belief is that, yes, personal beliefs and fears can prevent
    someone from using psychic abilities, by unconsciously creating mental 
    blocks, and psychic barriers.
    
    Beth
1680.7Lost it?STAR::SROBERTSONWed Feb 03 1993 11:0617
    I 'believe' yes...I also believe everyone has the 'capability'...
    I know 'it' can be blocked for some reason and I don't know what that
    reason is...could be from stress; focusing too hard on disturbing
    situations; being caught up in the everyday humdrum and not allowing
    the sensitivity to be recognized; or could it be that a more 
    'experienced' one blocking for you...dunno, but I do know it happens.
    
    I used to be more sensitive than I am now and I'm not sure I like it!
    This 'desensitization' occurred only recently, actually since I left my
    first husband (dirty divorce).  Now I find I don't retreat into myself
    anymore and for the first time, I am happy!  I never thought about it
    and by writing this note, I am starting the analysis as to the 'whys'.
    
    Anyone have any thoughts or have I truly lost my mind this time!!! ;)
    
    Sandra
    
1680.8Dad was frightened by the power.CSC32::D_ROYERChi beve birra campa cent'anni.Tue Jun 08 1993 17:3416
    My Father would make strange statements, like "I will never see Him
    Alive again," they always came true.  He would dream of a place to go
    hunting and see a deer there, and always came back with game.
    
    I however have not done much of this, but just before Christmas a few 
    years ago, I was in the kitchen hanging lights around the windows, and
    I told my wife, "I think I am going to fall!"  She asked if I were
    dizzy or anything, I said no, just a feeling.  I walked near the stove
    that was in the counter, and there was a small spot of oil there, My
    heel slipped and I did a prat fall onto the stove, and bent it badly
    and caused major pain to my posterior.  That is my only incident.
    
    Dave
    Son of a seer?  
    
    
1680.9VERGA::STANLEYWed Jun 09 1993 18:041
    Yep...
1680.10The lineage continues, it seemsROMEOS::TREBILCOT_ELSun Oct 09 1994 21:4454
    It's been some time since I've put anything in here, but recent
    incidents have occurred..
    
    There is another note in here somewhere in which someone speaks of
    their young child saying something to the effect of, "Remember when I
    was the big person and you were little?  Remember before ...?"  The
    child was remembering a past life, I believe.
    
    My mother has become more open to things in the time since I put the
    original note...and now there are more people in the family.  I have a
    young niece who has recently been showing some behavior which alludes
    to her having ability of a phenomenon-type nature.
    
    Her mother told us how recently when she was in a waiting room with
    Kaila at a hospital, my niece (who is just under 3) kept pointing to a
    man who was a perfect stranger and saying, "There's grandpa," and was
    very insistent, even when her mother repeatedly told her no it wasn't.
    
    I suggested to my mom that maybe in another life he was her
    grandmother...who knew?  
    
    My mother told me recently of some other events that have been going on
    with Kaila that would display evidence that she remembers things before
    she was born.
    
    For instance...she has the typical vocabulary skills of someone who is
    about to turn 3...yet there is a certain song that comes on the radio
    and Kaila not only knows every word, she sings it with perfect
    clarity, and has since the very first time she heard it.  It's not a
    song she hears often either, and her mother can't explain her behavior
    nor why the song seems to mean so much to Kaila.  My mom says her eyes
    just light up and, "You should see the look on her face when it comes
    on..."
    
    Kaila's mom doesn't seem to have any of the psychic ability, nor
    belief.  My brother has it a little, we think, but he won't talk about
    it ... is a bit afraid of it it seems...
    
    My mom wanted to know what I thought she should do...
    
    I merely suggested that she not tell Kaila she is wrong about
    something, but maybe ask her WHY she thought it.  Like why she thought
    the man was her grandfather or something...or when he was?
    
    I don't believe children should be told they are wrong about their
    feelings but how would you deal with a child who displays behavior
    which implies she remembers being here before?  There are other
    incidents, and according to my own mom, they are gaining in frequency.
    
    What do you (readers/noters) think about this?  Would you just let
    things go and see how it develops?  Should we ask her questions?
    
    Curious...
    
1680.11*NOT* KIRKTN::JJACKCoca-Cola Red Hot CelticSun Oct 09 1994 21:5514
    
    Dear Curious,
    
    Could it not simply be a case of the stranger you mentioned, resembling
    her grandfather (i.e. Male, over 60 bald/grey).
    Nothing in your entry makes me think for a minute that this child is
    any different from any other.
    My mates daughter, who's 2 years old, thinks Frank Windsor (who does
    the TV adverts for Cornhill Insurance Over 60's plan) is her grandpa.
    
    Does this mean this child has had previous past lifes as the
    grand-daughter of Old, famous TV stars ????
    
    
1680.12Not exactly the grandfatherly type!ROMEOS::TREBILCOT_ELSun Oct 09 1994 23:5513
    She has only met one of her grandfathers, my dad, and he is WAY UNDER
    60 years old and has blond hair, all of it, is very young and very
    physically fit.  No one would look at him and call him the typical
    grandfatherly type.  She has never met the other grandfather so she has
    no basis upon which to call an old man in his sixties a grandfather...
    
    So, re: -1, should we tell her she is wrong?
    
    There are other incidents that I don't have all the details of, as she
    is in Michigan and I am now in California, but i was wondering what you
    "think" is the way to handle them, should they arise?
    
    
1680.13TNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonMon Oct 10 1994 13:1218
    
    >So, re: -1, should we tell her she is wrong?
    
    Well, I'm not -1, but I would definitely not tell her she is wrong.
    That's what most parents do - denial of the child's reality based on
    their own extremely limited one.  Instead, ask her to explain more, 
    and you may be very surprised at the answers.  
    
    I particularly like the story of "Mister God, This Is Anna", by Fynn - 
    about a little girl who has insights far beyond her years, and how her
    older friend Fynn interacts with her.  Might give you some ideas.  It's 
    a true story, too.
    
    In the Mayan language, the words have meaning when spelled both
    forwards and backwards.  For the word 'baby', spelled backwards it also
    means 'old soul'.
    
    Cindy
1680.14Childhood memoriesDECWET::MEIKLEMon Oct 10 1994 18:5112
    I agree that you should not tell the child that she is wrong about her 
    memories.  When my daughter was a similar age (between 2 and 3) she
    asked me a similar question: "Mommy, do you remember when I was the
    mommy and you were my baby?"  It really floored me!  I responded by
    saying that I didn't remember, did she?  Her response was on the order
    of "Of course!"  
    
    All her life, I've believed that she was an old soul, and still do.
    She lost her memories of being the mommy, but we know that we've
    been together before.  
    
    Donna
1680.15Just listen . it's a good idea!ROMEOS::TREBILCOT_ELTue Oct 11 1994 15:0410
    Thank you for your input!  I agree with you that we should not tell her
    she is wrong. 
    
    Apparently the parents DO believe in these things but don't really know
    how to deal with it.  I guess if they just listen and not criticize
    they may be able to gain some insight.
    
    Thanks again for your input!