Conference hydra::dejavu

    
    	I only saw the last segment, about the school, and I missed
    	the first minute of that, so I didn't know if there had been
    	a tragedy there of some sort (?). If not, it brings up the 
    	concept of different realities, like radio stations, that can
    	be tuned into...(versus the standard dead person/ghost theory).
                                 
    	Sherry
    

    I wrote about this in a different note (can't recall which one) but I'm
    reminded of it due to the photograph that was shown on the True Ghost
    story Toys R Us episode.  I was visiting with friends of mine several
    months ago.  Their daughter had come home with the Two Men and a Baby
    video which at that time was publicized as having a boy ghost in it. 
    Anyway, the mother began talking to her daughter about the video being
    a gimmick and proceeded to show her and me a photograph she had in her
    photo album.  There was a photo of some kids in a kitchen having a
    birthday party.  In the background there is an image of a man's face. 
    She told me that the photolab had kept this photo for quite some time
    because they were trying to figure out what had caused this image to
    show up on the photo, thinking it was a developing error or something. 
    Anyway they finally sent the photo to my friend and said they outruled
    any possibility of it being a developing error or light reflections
    etc.  I wish I could show this photo here...I can only describe it as 
    a face of a man who seemed happy to be there with the children.
    
    I believe anything is possible and was excited to have been given the
    chance to see the photo.
    
    Donna
    

    Anyone catch Oprah's show May 21,1991. it was on ghost and ghostly
    experiences that her guess have had. She herself had a little
    ghostly experience that changed her mind about ghost.
    Most of the people that were on lived in a housing community
    that had been buildt on a cemetery.  They sold their homes to
    other people because they were driven to by the ghost.
    The funny thing is the peopl who bought their homes now
    are not having any problem at all.
    Some of their exsperiences sounded right out of the movies.
    They showed som photographs that were suppose to be ghost.
    

    I caught the last few minutes of this.  I wish I had set my VCR that
    day.  What was the experience Oprah had?  Just curious...       
    
    Donna  

    Well lets see if I can remember all of it. She said she was staying
    at a friends house and for some reason got up in the night.
    I think she said something woke her. As she was walking towards
    her friends room she saw something flash by her which made her
    stop in her tracks. It couldn't really describe it as being
    human or transparent but she said she 'd never seen anything
    like it. Anyhow it changed her mind about ghosts that maybe
    it could happen.

    Thanks for sharing that.  When my oldest sister was about 4 yrs old she
    remembers playing in the hallway with my cousin who was about 3 yrs old. 
    She remembers looking up the stairs seeing a women in white descend
    down the stairs but then the woman disappeared.  She said there was a
    certain white glow about her.  My sister ran out of the hallway screaming 
    and terrified.  My cousin doesn't remember it though.  My grandparents 
    and aunt were living on the 2nd floor at the time (this house was made 
    into 4 apartments).  They were asked if they had come down the
    stairs and both said they hadn't.  My sister can still picture this as 
    though it happened yesterday.  Of course one might think that a 4 yr old's 
    imagination can play tricks on them.  Its quite possible, but the 
    interesting thing is this house was once a popular hotel in the late 
    1800's.  Who knows!
    
    Donna         

    Please elaborate on the Toys R' Us ghost - I dodn't see the show.
    
    
    thnakes-
    edh.
    

    The Toys R' Us segement started out many years ago, can't remember
    exactly, at least 50 or more.  Anyway, it involved a young man and a
    woman.  The man was a caretaker on the woman's family farm. The young
    man was very much in love with the young ladie.  One day as the young
    man, can't remember his name--for sake of argument I'll call him Bill,
    was splitting wood the young woman came to tell him that she was in
    love with someone else and was going to be married.  Bill became very
    upset with this news and started yelling at the girl.  She got scared
    and ran back to the house.  Bill was frantic and started going crazy
    with the axe chopping up anything in sight.  In his frenzy, he swang
    the axe so hard he missed the chopping block and the axe went right
    into his leg (pretty gruesome!)  Well, he fell down and bled to death.
    
    Years later the farm was torn down and now is the site for the Toy R'
    Us store.  The employees claim that Bill haunts the store still in
    search for his one true love.
    
    They showed an employee that was in the storage room taking inventory
    when she heard Bill calling out a woman's name and then suddenly
    feeling a wave of coldness and someone caressing her hair.  She ran out
    of the storage room screaming and brought the manager in.  When the
    manager walked in toys were flying through the air and rolling around
    on the floor.
    
    They finally called in a "ghostbuster" and held a seance (sp?). 
    Photographers were ready to catch Bill on film.  Bill fianlly came
    forward and there were pictures taken of him, which were revealed later
    in the show.  The psychic then proceeded to tell Bill that his love was
    now dead and waiting for him in the light.  She kept telling Bill to go
    toward the light and he would finally find happiness.  Suddenly Bill
    disappears.  
    
    For months there were no irregularities at the store and the employees 
    were sure Bill was gone for good.  One night as the manager was locking
    up she heard Bill's voice again and went back into the store to look
    for him.  As she turned down an aisle there was a toy train going
    around on it's track with the girl's name spelled out in the center of
    the train track, (can't recall the girls name either).
    
    The ghost of Bill did not appear to harmful in any way, he was just
    searching for his lost love.  The show said that maybe he will never go
    into the light and will wander on this piece of ground forever.
    
    laurie

    The ghost's name was Johann or Jon or Jan with the J pronounced as a Y. 
    The girl's name was Elizabeth.

    Is this show on every Wednesday night? I'll have to set my VCR if
    it is.....

    I only saw the show that one Wednesday night.  I believe it aired at
    8:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.  Maybe it will be on tonight! ;^)
    
    Donna

    TRUE GHOST (?) STORY
    
    I don't know if it was a ghost but one night I was babysitting 
    my next door neighbors little girl.  She was about 5 years old.  
    She asked me to go into her bedroom so she could show me something.
    She told me to turn off the light, so I did.  She went over to
    an electrical outlet on the wall and plugged a nightlight into it.
    As soon as she did this, her two wooden sliding closet doors began
    shaking VIOLENTLY, up and down and back and forth (as if a very
    large man was behind them shaking them).  They shook and jumped
    up and down so hard that they came off their tracks. This only 
    lasted for a few seconds. The little girl looked at me and saw my
    startled face.  I asked her how she did that, and she said "I don't
    know it just happens somtimes, it's magic".
    I asked her to plug the nightlight in again and she did, but
    nothing happened.  I asked her if anyone else had seen this happen
    and she said no.  After I checked out the closet to make sure no-
    one was inside and that nothing had fallen from a shelf inside, 
    I told the girl, "Let's go in the livingroom and watch some T.V.
    As she held the nightlight in her hand she said "I think I'm going
    to throw this away, I don't like it anymore".  I told her not to
    throw it away.  I proceeded to call my mother and ask her to finish
    babysitting for me that night since I didn't feel well (as I was 
    spooked).  At that time I lived at home, so my Mom was right next
    door.  I didn't tell her about the closet doors.  Nothing strange
    happened during the rest of the night while my Mom was there, BUT
    the next morning my neighbor came over to our house and asked my
    Mom what had happened in the little girls room the night before.  
    My Mom said "What do you mean?".  The mother said "When I went to
    Amy's bedroom all of the pictures had fallen off the walls".  I
    never noticed any pictures falling off the walls when the closet
    doors shook!  Also, I spoke to two different electricians (not
    telling them all of what happened) trying to see if the nightlight
    could have sent an electrical shock strong enough to knock the 
    wooden doors off their track and make them jump up and down for
    several seconds, AND knock all the pictures in the room off the
    walls?  They told me they couldn't explain how that could happen.
    
    I was told by someone who believes in ghosts and poltergeists
    that it was probably a poltergeist, since they like to hide in
    childrens closets!  I never believed in ghosts before, but unless
    someone can explain what happened, I'm beginning to believe.
    
    It's been about 12 years ago that this happened and I still 
    remember it so clearly.  I ran into the little girl just last
    week (she's now 17 years old), and I asked her if she remembered
    12 years ago when I was babysitting her and something strange 
    happened.  Right away she smiled and said "I remember! The closet
    doors shook really hard!"  She and I both started laughing, but
    at the time we both were SCARED!
    
    Any one have any explanations as to what it could have been??
    Thanx!
     

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>    I was told by someone who believes in ghosts and poltergeists
>    that it was probably a poltergeist, since they like to hide in
>    childrens closets!  I never believed in ghosts before, but unless
>    someone can explain what happened, I'm beginning to believe.

Usually, poltergeists are connected to older children.

Whatever else, a couple of things are suggestive.

>    She asked me to go into her bedroom so she could show me something.
>    She told me to turn off the light, so I did.  She went over to
>    an electrical outlet on the wall and plugged a nightlight into it.
>    As soon as she did this, her two wooden sliding closet doors began
>    shaking VIOLENTLY, up and down and back and forth  

This suggests that she'd known what was involved in the effect; i.e., that
she'd done it before, verified by:

> .....................I asked her how she did that, and she said "I don't
>    know it just happens somtimes, it's magic".

But she must have been fairly sure it _would_ happen or she wouldn't have
given the demo.

>    As she held the nightlight in her hand she said "I think I'm going
>    to throw this away, I don't like it anymore".  I told her not to
>    throw it away.


What ever happened to the night light?  And did she ever explain why she
didn't like it any more?

Steve Kallis, Jr.

    Steve,
    
    The man I spoke to who said it could have been a poltergeist also
    said another possibility would be that the little girl (she was
    about 4 or 5 years old) had a special "power"/ability to move 
    things without touching them.  The girl was VERY excited about 
    me babysitting her that night since I hadn't babysat her for 
    quite some time (since my younger sister had taken over some of
    my babysitting customers).  The man told me all the excitement
    built up in the girl may have made her "power" even stronger
    than normal, and maybe the girl made the doors move the way they
    did, and make the pictures fall off the walls.  The girl didn't
    seem scared or nervous until she looked at me and saw the 
    startled expression on my face.  Maybe if she did make the doors 
    move (to show me to impress me or share something special with
    me) but she saw I was scared by it, she decided it wasn't some-
    thing she should be doing?  When I spoke to the girl last week
    she said to me "I don't know how that happened.  I don't even
    know why I wanted to show you that nightlight".  To answer your
    question... I don't know what happened to the nightlight (if I
    remember correctly, it had a clown face or something on the front
    of it).  I don't want to push the issue with my neighbors 
    daughter, because I don't want her to think I'm nuts!  And, no
    she didn't explain why she didn't like the nightlight anymore.
    I guess because it may have caused the closet doors to move
    the way they did, and it made her babysitter (me) nervous!
    Is there any way this could have been an electrical surge that
    made the doors move that way and made the pictures fall off the
    walls??  You said poltergeists are usually connected to older
    children.  The girl had two older brothers (probably about age
    7 and 9) but only the 7 year old was home at the time and there
    is no way he could have made the closet doors jump up and down 
    and back and forth the way they did.  When I questioned him about
    it, he didn't know what I was talking about.  He really thought
    I had lost it!  Thanx in advance for any info.
    

    I can't think of a clear causal connection between plugging in the
    night light and the door jumping around.  The only thing I can think
    of, and its a stretch, is that the night light introduced electrical
    noise into the lines which through a motor (refrigerator compressor,
    attic fan, washing machine, etc.) out of kilter, creating vibrations
    which effected the door.  Other conventional explanations is
    coincidence (e.g., a water hammer in the pipes just happened to start
    up then -- hey, the great Northeastern blackout occured on the instant
    when I threw a wall switch at school which I wanted to know what it was
    connected to), and a prearranged trick (which she is now too embarrased
    to "own up to").

    It is not clear that there is any distinction between a "poltergeist"
    and unconscious PK.  Poltergeists generally act like they were caused
    by a specific person (usually, but not always, an adolescent), though
    they seem, at least, to be unaware or only semiaware of being
    "responsible".  The person who is the "focus" of the phenomenon is
    always present -- so unless there was someone under the bed there
    are only two canidates here, you and her.  Frankly, unless there
    is evidence for other manifestations you are the better candidate
    (by a slight amount -- sorry, I know that probably is a rather "spooky"
    suggestion for you; don't worry, you'll have "grown out of it" if its
    the case).  There is some evidence that this was not a one time
    phenomenon in the girl believing that she had something to show you --
    though perhaps she just thought it looked interesting when plugged in.

				    Topher

    I don't think the closet doors moving was caused by any
    type of vibrations, only because they didn't just vibrate
    or move, they VIOLENTLY shook up and down and back and forth
    3 or 4 inches off the track they were on, until they jumped
    off the track.  And I've been told that plasterboard (or what-
    ever walls are made of) and wooden closet doors aren't conductors
    of electricity. Is this true??  Unless we had an earthquake (which
    is unlikely in Maryland, and my mother next door would have 
    noticed it also), I can't think of anything that would have made
    the closet doors move that way and the pictures fall off the walls.
    I thought it might be a trick, but she was only 4 or 5 years old
    and there is no way she, nor her 2 brothers could have made those
    doors move that violently!  It could have been coincidence, but
    what about the pictures?  The man I spoke to also mentioned that
    it could have been the little girl, or possibly me that made the
    doors move.  I don't think it was me.  Why would I do something 
    to scare myself???  As a previous note was discussing the show 
    on T.V. about the Toys R Us ghost, could it have been a spirit
    of someone who possibly came to an untimely death on the property
    where the house sits now??  The house isn't old, it's only about
    15 years old.  I wish you could have seen the closet doors when
    they acted the way they did.  I can't explain it.  They didn't 
    just vibrate, shake or rattle, they really jumped up and down
    and back and forth!  Oh well, somethings are best unsolved I
    guess.  That's what makes like so interesting.  It's little
    mystery's!

    Hi GRANMA::JZARUDZKI,
    
    Very interesting story!  I noticed that you said that while you were
    in the room, all the pictures were still on the walls.  How's this for
    a couple of wild thoughts:  you said the little girl was excited to
    have you as her babysitter and maybe the door shaking was to show off
    for you or impress you, instead it scared you and you left.  And
    sometime AFTER you left, all the pictures fell/were shaken off the
    wall.  Maybe the little girl was angry or upset that you left, and
    consiously or unconsiously removing the pictures was her response to
    her anger?
    
    Anyway, did the girl's parents ask what had happened with the doors? 
    Did you tell them all that happened?
    
    
    --  Tracy

    
    I just recently heard a ghost story that I thought was pretty neat.
    It goes like this.
    
    A recent tenant in an apartment told the landlord all about her having
    met the landlord's daughter Karen. The tenant said that Karen had
    stopped by a couple of times and they'd had a nice conversation at the
    kitchen table. The landlord inquired as to the validity of her claims
    but some of the information that she the tenant had had would only have 
    been available from family members.
    The reason for the landlord's concern was ....
    Karen had been shot dead by a former lover at the kitchen table over 15
    years ago ! 
    

    Toys R Us Ghost
    
    Just FYI, for people like myself who still read these old notes, is
    located very close to the Santa Clara Digital site.  Its in Cupertino
    on the corner of the El Camino and Sunnyvale/Saratoga Road.  The ghost
    was not only troubled over the lost love but, if memory serves me
    right, as this was over 8 years ago now, he was also quite stubborn.
    The ghost busters had quite a time with him, trying to convince him
    that he was, indeed, dead.  He was also quite the prankster.  He would
    set toys in motion when no one but the manager was present.  The
    manager
    would be going from the front of the store out to the back rooms when
    a toy would roll up from behind him and strike him.  Children would
    be frightened by toys being pulled out of their hands.  There was once
    a picture taken by the local news of a toy in full rolling motion 
    propelled by this unseen entity heading strait for the camera.  Some of
    that may have been typical sensationalism.  It was a story I followed 
    for quite a few months.  It began when they opened the store and had
    been going on for years before the ghost busters where finally called 
    in.
    
    barb

    Who were the ghost busters?  What did they do?  I've only been here in
    this area (Santa Clara office) for six months...this interests
    me...that store is about two miles from where I live.
    
    What did they do to settle the matter with this ghost?
    
    Curious..
    

    
    Who were the ghost busters?  What did they do?                          
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    If my memory serves me correctly, Dan Akroyd & Bill Murray were two of
    them...but I can't remember the others names.
    
    They got covered in green slime a lot, had a fight with a 70ft
    Marshmallowman & generally saved the country.
    
    

    ohhhhh
    yuck
    yuck
    pfffffffft!
    

    
    
    No ... That was in a different film....