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33.1 | | PEN::KALLIS | | Fri Nov 01 1985 13:48 | 11 |
| Please recall that there's more than one type of exorcism. One is where
a person who is possessed is relieved of the psychic parasite. Another
is where a Presence manifests itself (similar to a "haunted house") and
it's driven away.
The secoind kind is less common.
I think if Edwina had wanted to detail the event, she would have already
done so.
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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33.2 | Hawaiian exorcism | NATASH::BUTCHART | | Thu Apr 17 1986 14:40 | 16 |
| While growing up in the Hawaiian Islands, I became familiar with
the old Polynesian religions in an interesting way. Construction
companies who were planning to build over old Hawaiian burial grounds
or holy locations would employ a Kahuna, or holy man from the
Polynesian religion, to first inspect the site, then perform what
ever exorcisms or placating rituals might be required to soothe
or banish any spirits.
There were many interesting stories I heard from people in the con-
struction business about the accidents and strange happenings that
could occur in an unblessed site. One story I was told involved
the heavy machinery being moved around--in one case an earth mover
was found upside down in its place when the workers came on the
job in the morning. After the exorcism, the weird incidents stopped.
Marcia
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33.3 | Any More Details? | PEN::KALLIS | | Thu Apr 17 1986 14:51 | 11 |
| Marcia, there's a difference between exorcism and placation. Which
is this (i.e., were the influences banished or were they present
but satisfied)?
Although this belongs in "superstitions" rather than here, there
used to be the belief that no construction job (e.g., building the
Golden Gate Bridge) was actually safe unless at least one person
lost his or her life during the process.
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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33.4 | | NATASH::BUTCHART | | Thu Apr 17 1986 14:59 | 10 |
| This also squares with the Polynesian tradition of slaying someone
(usually a slave) and placing the body under the cornerstone of
any important building. The spirit was supposed to watch over the
place.
I can find out more details of the ceremonies performed in Hawaii
by the Kahunas for the construction sites. It may become clearer
to me whether exorcism was involved or merely placation.
Marcia
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33.5 | foundation sacrifices | PROSE::WAJENBERG | | Thu Apr 17 1986 17:38 | 7 |
| The foundation sacrifice is found world-wide, not just in Polynesia.
"My fair lady," on whom "London Bridge comes falling down" may have
been a foundation sacrifice. Household spirits, like brownies and
lars, may be developed from stories of ghosts of foundation sacrifices.
Or so I have read in anthropology books.
Earl Wajenberg
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33.6 | At last, a mention of the Kahunas... | NEXUS::DEVINS | 256K WOM | Mon Oct 06 1986 18:01 | 22 |
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I have been working my way thru this file a little at a time and
had already made a memo to myself to enter an inquiry about the
Kahuna priests of Hawaii if I found none by the time I reached the
"current day's entry" notes. A friend of mine who has unfortunately
moved away from the city loaned me a book about the Kahuna beliefs
seven or eight years ago. The Kahuna mystique (if I may call it
that) centers around a codification of beliefs about supposedly
"unnatural" (at least to everyone else) happenings and powers, among
which that the spirit is connected to the body by a flexible "aka
thread" which permits projection of the spirit to great distances.
Included in the body of beliefs and practices are a great number
of "laying on of hands" type medical treatments which are supposedly
well documented as to success rates, but the documentation in this
book was very soft indeed so I was unable to evaluate it.
The book was one of a series of five or six, in a black cloth
binding. Wish I could find where Larry is now and consult it again
in the light of this file, as I find myself thinking of it often
as I progress from note to note. Anyone familiar with this text?
-- Herb
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33.7 | HAWAII'S H1 | DPDMAI::SWENSON | | Tue Jun 14 1988 13:45 | 19 |
| NOTE 33.2 HAWAII
I WAS STATIONED IN HAWAII IN 70-72 WHILE THE HIGHWAY H1 WAS
UNDER CONSTUCTION. AT ONE POINT GRAVES WERE BEING UNCOVERED AND
THE BODIES JUST REBURIED. IT WAS REVIELED THE GRAVE YARD WAS ONE
FROM THE EARLY PART OF THE CENTURY AND USED FOR PEOPLE WHO DIED
FROM THE PLAGUE OR SOMETHING VERY CONTAGOUS. ANYWAY THE EQUIPMENT
STARTED BREAKING DOWN AT A RATE THAT COULD NOT BE ACCOUNTED FOR
AND SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION CREW KEPT HEARING VOICE FROM PEOPLE
THAT WERE NOT THERE. IT TOOK A FEW MONTHS BUT THE CONSTRUCTION
COMPANY FINALLY AGREED TO HAVE ALL UNCOVERED BODIES TO BE REBURIED
WITH PROPER RITES IN A AREA BLESSED BY LOCAL KAHUNA PRIESTS.
AFTER THIS WAS DONE EVERYTHING WENT BACK TO NORMAL WITH NO
FURTHER
UNSOLVED PROBLEMS. MAYBE THE DEAD NEED TO REST IN PEACE.
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33.8 | Wonder if it made the Daily Blab? | STRATA::RUDMAN | Tomb,n. The House of Indifference. | Mon Jun 20 1988 15:53 | 6 |
| re -.1
And, of course, the conts. crew was from the mainland and employed
no locals, and site security after hours was maintained, and etc....
Don
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