Conference 7.286::sports_90

  My picks for the top 10:

  1. Colorado
  2. Washington
  3. Iowa
  4. Notre Dame
  5. Florida
  6. Miami
  7. Nebraska
  8. Georgia Tech
  9. Virginia
  10. Tennesse

  Comments - Sorry, but I can't include a team (Houston) which is on probation 
  and hasn't played any tough opponents. If they beat Texas, they'll probably
  crack my top 10.

  				Keith

  	
    Keith, 
    
    What a terrific idea!  Think we can do this every week?
    
    Here are my somewhat outrageous but sincere picks.  Before I get jumped
    on, I'm not doing this to throw off the polls.  This is how I really
    feel.  Hope I don't upset you guys too much:
    
    
    
    	1. Georgia Tech	
  	2. Iowa		
  	3. Washington		
    	4. Florida		
    	5. Notre Dame		
  	6. Miami		
  	7. Virginia		
    	8. Florida State	
  	9. Colorado
  	10. Mississippi		
    

 1. Colorado		8-1-1
 2. Notre Dame		7-1-1
 3. Iowa		7-1
 4. Washington		8-1
 5. Tennessee		5-1-2
 6. Nebraska		8-1
 7. Georgia Tech	7-0-1
 8. Virginia		7-1
 9. Florida		7-1
10. Wyoming		9-1

Mike JN

Here's mine

1) Colorado - playing the best in the nation and strength of schedule
2) Washington - lost to Col
3) Notre Dame - lost to stanford but beat Miami
4) Miami - lost to ND
5) Houston - haven't played anybody yet
6) Georgia Tech - beat former # 1 but play in weak ACC
7) Tennesse - 1 loss and 2 ties
8) Iowa - just because I haven't seen them play yet
9) Florida - no reason...
10) Virginia - 2 man teams can win in weak conference....

Metz

    
    
    Top 10....Then a playoff is needed!
    
     1. Miami
     2. Houston
     3. Tennesse
     4. Notre Dame
     5. Washington
     6. Colorado
     7. Ga.Tech
     8. Florida
     9. Virginia
    10. Fla. St.
    
    B.A.

    OK I'll bite
    1) Houston - can't believe people are leaving them out of the top ten
    2) Washington - playing best ball lately
    3) Iowa - Playing some great ball loss @Miami shouldn't hurt too much
    4) Notre Dame - by hook or by crook with one slip against Stanford
    5) Georgia Tech - one slip against tough defensive UNC team
    6) Miami - Looked unbeatable vs Fl St oops already lost to BYU 8*)
    7) Nebraska - Hate the buffs
    8) Colorado - Love the Cornhuskers
    9) BYU - take the over
    10) Virginia - Good O, decent D
    
    
    Jimbo

    1. Houston - Undefeated & untied in major conference; winning convincingly
    2. Colorado - Has played 5 of AP's top 15 with only 1 loss
    3. Washington - Playing very good with only loss to CU
    4. Tennessee - 1 tie with CU & 1 tie at Auburn shouldn't hurt them
    5. Florida - Has played only 1 bad half of football; plays in tough SEC
    6. Texas - Beat OU, won at Penn St, played CU tough(only loss)
    7. Notre Dame- Lost AT HOME to Stan, outplayed by Mich & Mich St; 
    8. Miami - Nation's best team right now IMO, but 2 losses puts them low
    9. Iowa - Only loss at Miami
    10. Ga Tech- Tied a weak team, plays in weak conference 
    
    Now I am ranking these teams according to their records, who they've
    lost to and who they've beat.  In other words, I'm not ranking teams
    according to who I think is the best, but on how they've performed
    against their competition and who their competition is.  And I think
    that is how AP ranks teams for the most part.
    
    If I were to rank teams according to who I think is the best, 2nd best,
    etc., I wouldn't pay much attention to records and my rankings would be
    totally different.
    
    Joe

>    2. Colorado - Has played 5 of AP's top 15 with only 1 loss
    
    Correction.  CU has played 5 of AP's top 17 with only 1 loss
    
    Joe

	1. Washington
	2. Iowa
	3. Georgia Tech
	4. Notre Dame
	5. Colorado
	6. Florida
	7. Miami
	8. Brigham Young
	9. Virginia
       10. Houston

  	1. Notre Dame		7-1-0
  	2. Florida		7-1-0
  	3. Colorado		8-1-1
  	4. Miami		6-2
  	5. Washington		8-1-0
  	6. Iowa			7-1
  	7. Tennesse		5-1-2
 	8. Auburn		6-1-1
        9. Florida State	6-2
       10. Virginia		7-1-0

	Dan Schneider's Top Ten

	1. Washington (Because I like the PAC10 and this team *would* beat ND)
	2. Colorado (Because this team *will* beat ND)
	3. Miami (Because this team should've beat ND)
	4. Michigan (Because this team could've beat ND)
	5. Tennessee (Because this team will beat ND this week)
	6. Michigan State (Because ND was lucky to beat them)
	7. Houston (Bleeding heart soft spot for criminals)
	8. Oklahoma (Ditto)
	9. Georgia Tech (Need an A.C.C. team in here)
       10. Stanford (Because this team *did* beat ND)

			/8^) 

  	1. Washington	- Playin the best football right now.
  	2. Colorado	- 5 down game should have been a loss.
  	3. Notre Dame	- Beat Miami, but hasn't looked good against anybody.
  	4. Miami	- Best team in the nation but lost 2.
  	5. Florida	- Did you see them last week.
  	6. Iowa		- Only loss was to Miami.
  	7. Georgia Tech - Beat UVir. in a great game.
  	8. Houston	- Clean record is misleading.
  	9. Virginia	- Well coached team, a fast team can crush them.
  	10.Tennesse	- Out played Colorado in early season game.

        I think ND will lose at USC, so as fan I would like to see:

              Washington vs Iowa (Rose bowl)
              Colorado vs Fla St. (Orange bowl)
              Miami vs ND (Fiesta bowl)

Chuck

I guess great minds think alike Don, cause I was planning on using a very
simular p-name today. I guess you can fool some of the people all of the
time....

anyways here we go...

 1. Washington (they've been covering on the card for me every week)
 2. Colorado   ( ditto above )
 3. BYU        ( ditto above )
 4. Iowa       ( anybody that beats Michigan is OK in my book )
 5. Miami      ( I love dancing fools )
 6. Florida    ( anybody that beats Auburn is OK in my book )
 7. Stanford   ( anybody that beats ND is great in my book )
 8. Florida ST ( somebody who could trash ND is ok in my book )
 9. Tennesse   ( somebody who can trash ND is great in my book )
10. USC        ( ditto above and I've alway been a Trojan fan )

mike

    1.N.D. I don't think they'll be here next week, UT is to big in the
    O.L. if they do beat UT they will be #1 on Jan. 22nd
    
    2.Washington: Best team in country now, lost to CU early, If N.D. loses
    somewhere Washington and Iowa will play for #1 in the Rose Bowl and
    the Huskers will be #1.
    
    3. Colorado: They have a loss and a tie, but the tough schedule helps
    them now, very GUTSY team, will lose in Orange bowl to either N.D. or
    Miami.
    
    4. Iowa: Quietly playing very sound and will be playing for the
    title on New Years Day.
    
    5: Houston: Undefeated with the run and shoot, really haven't played
    anyone yet, BUT if they beat Texas at Austin, they will end up #1
    in UPI poll, maybe mine also.
    
    6:Miami: Strange they're this low, but two losses, can probably beat
    any team at home or on neutral field.
    
    7:Tennesse: Could move up dramatically with win over N.D. which they 
    probably wil, O.L. to big N.D.
    
    8: Auburn: No shot at #1 but still can make Sugar Bowl.
    
    9: Georgia Tech: Only blemish is a tie, but I don't think they are
    that good a team stacked up against reat of top 10, I thought the
    same with Virginia.
    
    10: Texas: Only loss was to Colorado and it was a good game, if Texas
    beats Houston saturday they can move up to top 5.
    
                                                         Dan

    re: .11 (hahahahahahaha!!)

1. Colorado	Won't lose again
2. Washington	Beating good teams bad, won't lose again.
3. Notre Dame	Can beat anyone, but we shall see on Saturday.
4. Miami-FL	Have to be up there.
5. Tennessee	Can move up this weekend.
6. Iowa		are they this good or the rest of the Big10 that bad.
7. Florida	Better if they could play Auburn each week.
8. Georgia Tech	Better than most people acknowledge.
9. Florida St	Look out for them now they're out of the #1 picture.
10. Michigan	If the good team shows up.

TTom

Here's my Top 10:


	1. Wesleyan	        Because they're the best
	2. Kansas Wesleyan      Because they could beat ND any day.
        3. Kentucky Wesleyan    Because the blue grass is always nice
        4. Nebraska Wesleyan    Overshadowed by Nebraska
	5. Iowa Wesleyan        A better defense and they'd whip Washington
	6. Tuskegee 		Not as good as the Tide, but close
	7. Carthage             Great school
	8. Pacific Luthren      Great academics here too...
	9. Lewis And Clark      A few too many losses to be #1
       10. Ponoma-Pitzer        Brining up the rear...
    

Now you know...

'Saw

    Nah 'Saw, ya gotta include Slippery Rock on strength of schedule. 
    They played the #2 team in Division 3, Indiana of PA (so what if the
    Rock got their butts kicked 60something to 7?).
    
    
    py

Yeah, but Paul, Slippery Rock has done next to no campaigning.

How can you argue strength of schedule when their PR department
has put out no press releases, held no news conferences or done
any campaigning to tell the world just how excellent a loss
that 60-something to 7 loss was?

No, I'll stand by my picks.  Personally, I think Weslayan could
tear ND apart like a pack of starving dogs in a meatpacking plant!


'Saw

Curious how the `Best team in the country' (someone described Miami this
way) can have two losses.

Also.. how someone can rate Miami 4th, and call Fla St out of the
running... they both have two losses.

Two losses should not be allowed to win the Mythical, and any team that
still does have a shot at number one would be idiots to agree to play
Miami in a Bowl. Beating them wouldn't really improve your own chances
that much (you would be beating a team that `now' has three losses), and
losing to them would destroy your chances for #1.

I didn't rank Houston, because I don't think probation teams are in the
running. They can't play in a bowl, so they can't win the Mythical, so
they shouldn't be ranked. It just confuses things.

Mike JN

    This sure has been enlightening so far.  Seeing how many of you justify
    each team for their respective rankings that you assign them, I can now
    understand how the "real" polls come to their conclusions.  This is
    really no different from the UPI, AP, USA Today polls (except for the
    funny stuff, of course!)........
    
    Hawk

  Thursday at 12:00 MST (2:00 EST) will be the deadline to submit your picks.
  Then I'll tabulate the results and post them in this note. The rest of the
  week can be used for discussion of our poll. After the games this weekend, 
  I'll list the top teams, their records and the results of their weekend 
  games. Then we can start all over again with new picks next week.

  It will be interesting to see how close we come the the AP/UPI polls.

  					Keith

    Great idea!  Tally these on Friday and put in a NOTER's consensus
    and we'll have our own Top Ten!
    
    Here are mine:
    
    1) Washington
    2) Houston
    3) Colorado
    4) Notre Dame
    5) Tennessee
    6) Georgia Tech
    7) Miami
    8) Florida State
    9) Virginia
    10) BYU
    
    NAZZ

    
    
     1.Washington
     2.Notre Dame
     3.Tennessee
     4.Miami
     5.Iowa
     6.Colorado
     7.Florida
     8.Florida St.
     9.Ga. Tech
    10.Mississippi
    
    

> Also.. how someone can rate Miami 4th, and call Fla St out of the
> running... they both have two losses.

    Because Miami whipped FSU soundly.
    
>  any team that
>  still does have a shot at number one would be idiots to agree to play
>  Miami in a Bowl. Beating them wouldn't really improve your own chances
>  that much (you would be beating a team that `now' has three losses), and
>  losing to them would destroy your chances for #1.

    Beating Miami in the Orange Bowl when they are ranked 3rd or 4th would
    actually be very impressive.
    
> I didn't rank Houston, because I don't think probation teams are in the
> running. They can't play in a bowl, so they can't win the Mythical, so
> they shouldn't be ranked. It just confuses things.

    This actually brings up a good point, but no rules were layed down in
    our poll about ranking a team on probation, so they should be assumed
    eligible for the time being.
    
    Joe

    1.  Massachusetts
    2.  Syracuse
    3.  Holy Cross
    4.  Williams
    5.  Wesleyan
    6.  New Hampshire
    7.  Dartmouth
    8.  Plymouth State
    9998.  Notre Dame
    9999.  Boston College
    
    John

    
    1. Colorado
    2. Notre Dame
    3. Washington
    4. Miami
    5. Iowa
    6. Tennessee
    7. Florida St.
    8. Georgia Tech
    9. Florida
    10. Mississippi
    
    glenn
    

            
              1.  Notre Dame
              2.  Washington
              3.  Colorado
              4.  Miami
              5.  Iowa
              6.  Tennessee
              7.  Georgia Tech
              8.  Florida
              9.  Florida State
             10.  Virginia
    
    *** No Houston due to their probation; IMO no team on probation is
        eligible for rankings.
    
    
    Greg

>    *** No Houston due to their probation; IMO no team on probation is
>        eligible for rankings.

Nor any team that pretends to be making a claim to #1 who plays Eastern
Washington during crunch time.

TTom

    1. Washington	- stomping everyone they face for weeks
    2. Colorado		- back to back over NU,OU is impressive
    3. Florida		- No slouch before tearing up Auburn
    4. Iowa		- Still give B10 respect.  Probably wrong.
    5. Notre Dame	- Bad loss holds them back.  Easy top talent.
    6. Tennessee	- Tough sched.  Good performances.
    7. Miami		- playoff favorite?  Likely...
    8. Georgia Tech	- Best record, but ACC sched. hurts
    9. Houston		- Hurt by lame schedule.
    10.Virginia		- see Houston, add the loss.
    
    Dan

    1.  Washington
    2.  Iowa
    3.  Colorado
    4.  Notre Dame
    5.  Miami
    6.  Florida
    7.  BYU
    8.  Tennessee
    9.  Michigan State
    10. Nebraska
    11. Michigan
    12. Florida State
    13. Texas
    14. Illinois
    15. Mississippi
    16. Auburn
    17. Oregon
    18. Georgia Tech
    19. Penn State
    20. Virgina

    Washington  
    Iowa
    Colorado
    Notre Dame
    Miami
    Tennessee
    Florida St.
    Houston
    Georgia Tech
    BYU

    1. Florida - Cuz I say so
    2. Houston - The hell with probation
    3. Virginia - a 3 point loss aint that bad
    4. Notre Dame - hasn't been impressive, but did beat Miami
    5. Washington - despite creampuff PAC10 schedule
    6. Miami - best team with 2 losses ever
    7. Colorado - didn't want them this high - I hate teams with ties
    8. Mississippi - Love steamboats
    9. Iowa - the Big10's best (HA)
    10. Tennessee - see COlorado
    
    JD

JD --

You *FORGOT* Wesleyan!  


Shame, shame, shame,
'Saw

    Saw,
    
    Wesleyan losted lasted weeked.  Plus, Wesleyan is too pure to be
    sullied by a Top 10 pick...
    
    JD

    Keith - I tallied up the responses for you through note .35 (I
    was curious).  Here's how they stand (10 for first, 9 for 2nd, etc):
    
    1) Washington 	183 points
    2) Colorado		159
    3) Notre Dame	153
    4) Iowa		121
    5) Miami		117
    6) Florida		 87
    7) Tennessee	 83
    8) Georgia Tech	 69
    9) Houston		 68
    10) Virginia	 30
    11) Florida State	 27
    12) BYU		 19
    13) Nebraska	 14
    14) Texas		  6
    14) Auburn		  6
    14) Mississippi	  6
    17) Stanford	  4
    18) Michigan State	  2
    19) Michigan	  1
    19) Wyoming		  1
    19) USC		  1
    
    Assorted goofy votes for Wesleyan and UMass I didn't count.
    
    NAZZ

    	Reposted from another college football, who's #1 note.
    
    1) Colorado
    2) Washington
    3) Notre Dame
    4) Tennessee
    5) Miami
    6) Georgia Tech
    7) Virginia
    8) Iowa
    9) Florida
   10) Nebraska
    
    						 glen j.
                                                             

    
    Here's my top ten...
    
    1.  Colorado--tough schedule, 3 pt. turnaround and they'd be 9-0
    2.  Washington--playing very well, tough loss to Colorado
    3.  Notre Dame--beat Miami and only one loss
    4.  Georgia Tech--still undefeated and beat UVa @UVa when they had to..
    5.  Miami--very dangerous, explosive, but definitely beatable...
    6.  Iowa--lost only to Miami, biggest surprise--beat UM,Mich St,Ill.
    7.  Florida--only one loss exploded against Auburn, yet done in by Tennessee
    8.  Tennessee--tied Colorado and Auburn, couldn't beat 'Bama, routed Florida
    9.  Texas--still only one tough loss (to Colorado)
    10. Nebraska--tough loss to Colorado, weak schedule hurt them...
    
    
    Peace/ed

    
    1. Washington
    2. Notre Dame
    3. Colorado
    4. Iowa
    5. Houston
    6. Miami
    7. Georgia Tech
    8. Florida
    9. Virginia
    10. Tennessee
    
    
    
    
    ML
    

�    Assorted goofy votes for Wesleyan and UMass I didn't count.
    
Nazz --

They weren't goofy votes.  I was 100% serious.  I'm so sick and
tired of all this AP, UPI, USA Today, Las Vegas, Atlantic City
poll sh_t....

They should have a real playoff system and determine things in
a manly like fashion.  Each team should gird its loins and
meet on the field of play for 60 minutes of football, instead
of having a bunch of know-it-all, pansy-assed sportswriters
see who politics the best for a poll spot...

JMHO,
'Saw

    
    
     1. Washington
     2. Notre Dame
     3. Colorado
     4. Miami
     5. Houston
     6. Tennessee
     7. Fla. State
     8. Iowa
     9. Florida
    10. Michigan
    

    
    Hey, with UPI seemingly on the verge of going belly-up, the AP poll may
    become the only universally-recognized vote.  It still stinks, but at
    least only one poll is an improvement...
    
    glenn

If UPI goes under, someone else will pick up the college coaches poll,
which the UPI is now. 

TTom

    
    	Amen 'Saw!  In lieu of that...........
    
    1.  CU         |
    1.  Washington |   TIE
    2.  ND
    3.  Miami
    4.  Iowa
    5.  Tennessee
    6.  Florida
    7.  GA Tech
    8.  Virginia
    9.  BYU
    10. Texas
    
    Claybroon

    Let us not forget the moral travesty from which the Colorado
    Buffs so richly profited against poor Mizzou.  Is it now that
    we encourage young men noto only to sire children out of wedlock
    but also to be dishonorable in the unprincipled pursuit of victory?
    
    Amen.
    
    Reverend ShagNasty

    
    	......and I mean every word of that.
    
    	Claybroon

Poor Missouri. Their coaches are too dumb to count to 5 and they get mad
cuz the refs caint neither. 

TTom

    Whatever bull you guys choose to sling, the fack remains that these
    polls are subjective in the first place and there's to overrate the
    unscrupulous Buffs by not discounting their cheat-ass "victory" over
    Mizzou.
    
    Big10 Tom

    1. Miami
    2. Washington
    3. Iowa
    4. Florida
    5. Georgia Tech
    6. BYU
    7. Colorado
    8. Houston
    9. Virginia
    10.Notre Dame
    

    
    And T, you know darn well that Coach McCartney encouraged not a bit
    such an illicit rendez-vous as occurred between his daughter and the
    starting quarterback.  In fact, on the contrary he was all morally torn
    up over it.  I read the whole story in one of these religious pamphlets
    my wife receives from a misguided relative.  The whole story damn near 
    moved me to tears.
    
    glenn
      

  The Official Results of this Weeks DECpoll are:

  Rank	Team		Total Points		1st place votes

  1.	Washington		249.5			11
  2.	Colorado		217.5			 7
  3.	Notre Dame		196			 3
  4.	Miami			166			 2
  5.	Iowa			152			 
  6.	Florida			109			 1
  7. 	Tennesse		108			
  8.	Georgia Tech		 96			 1
  9.	Houston			 89			 2
 10.	Virginia		 40

  Teams which were close but don't get any cigars are:

  	Team            Total Points

	Florida State		28
	BYU			24
	Nebraska		16
	Michigan		 9
	Texas			 8
	Michigan State		 7
	Auburn			 6
	Mississippi		 6
	Stanford		 5
	Oklahoma		 3
	USC			 1
	Wyoming			 1

						Keith

  I don't agree with all of the rankings in the official results but all in
  all, I think it's pretty good. At least it makes more sense to me that the
  AP/UPI polls. 

  Let's do it again next week with the deadline being Thursday 12:00 MST
  (2:00 EST)

					Keith

>  At least it makes more sense to me that the
>  AP/UPI polls. 

    It does to me too.  
    
> Let's do it again next week with the deadline being Thursday 12:00 MST
>  (2:00 EST)

    Except let's call Beano and get his vote too!
    
    Joe

>>    Except let's call Beano and get his vote too!

      At the beginning of the year Beano picked Ohio State to finish #1.
      I wonder if he's changed his mind. The guys quite a character. I
      some times think hes tanked when hes on the air.

Chuck
       

    I wonder if .54 and .55 would have liked it as much if their favorite
    team wasn't ranked so high.  Methinks not, especially number .55
    - who seems to have quite a few favorites...
    
    JD

    My picks for next week
    
    
    			1-Slippery Rock
    			2-Ulster County Community College, NY
    			3-Grambling U
    			4-Whatsa Matta U.
    			5-Rutgers
    			6-Cornhole U.
    			7-Clarion U of Pa
    			8-Shewants U
    			9-Point Park College
    		       10-Penn State
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    
    My picks for next week
    
    
                        1-Slippery Rock
                        2-Ulster County Community College, NY
                        3-Grambling U
                        4-Whatsa Matta U.
                        5-Rutgers
                        6-Cornhole U.
                        7-Clarion U of Pa
                        8-Shewants U
                        9-Point Park College
                       10-Penn State
                   TIE 10-Pittsburgh Steelers
    
    ice
    

    He ICE,
    
    I went to  a night class at Ulster County Comm. College in NY.
    
    Didn't thing anyone else had even heard of it.
    
    JD

    Congrats to all you wise voters who put the rightful #1 team on top.
    
    It was getting pretty deep in the other "Who's #1 Note" with all
    the Colo folks with their buffalo-chip colored glasses using 
    tortured logic to explain why Colorado is #1.  
    
    Go Huskies!
    
    Pete (1983 U. of W. grad)

    
    
    (1) COLORADO BUFFS
    (2) ND
    (3) MIAMI
    (4) TENNESSE
    (5) WASHINGTON
    (6) GEORGIA TECH
    (7) VIRGINIA
    (8) IOWA
    (9) FLA STATE
    (10)NEBRASKA
    
    The only problem with this years season is the upsets and a need for a
    playoff / top teams must play in the same bowl to decide national
    champs. But it won't happen this year.
    
    P.S. Didn't the Huskies lose to the Buffs???
    
    " THE DREWSKI "
    
    

    
    How can a playoff system work? If you go with a 2 team playoff who
    gets invited (Wash, ND, Colorado)? If you go with a 4 team playoff
    who gets invited (Wash, ND, Colorado, [Miami, Georgia Tech, Iowa])?
    go with at six team playoff who do you invite? 

    A playoff will leave somebody out, just like the polls do.

Chuck

    
    Chuck,
    
    	I think it should be a 16 team playoff FWIW.  It would only
    	take 4 weekends to determine #1.  They could start the first
    	part of December and be done on New Year's Day.
    
    Pete,
    
    	This Buff fan ranked your huskies #1..........tied with CU
    	of course  ;^)
    
    Claybroon

>>    	I think it should be a 16 team playoff FWIW.  It would only
>>    	take 4 weekends to determine #1.  They could start the first
>>    	part of December and be done on New Year's Day.

        That sounds fair, but college players need December off from
        football to study and take final exams. The fact that every
        year theres an argument about who's number 1, tells me the
        current system is working. My "team is better than yours"
        type arguments are great.

Chuck

    P.S. Didn't the Huskies lose to the Buffs???
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    Yes, and Notre Dame lost to Stanford.  So, if that's so important,
    why don't you have Stanford rated above ND?
    
    My problem with many of you having Colo #1 is that Colo has lost twice
    (only one shows up, though), tied once, squeaked by the Huskies when
    a butter-fingered receiver dropped a pass in the end zone, and barely
    beat a Stanford team which was crushed by Washington.  Washington, on
    the other hand, has run away with every Pac-10 game.
    
    Claybone, I salute your valiant attempt at objectivity 8^).
    
    Pete

                
    > Washington, on
    > the other hand, has run away with every Pac-10 game.   
    
    In fairness, completing the comparison, "...but squeaked by
    non-conference opponents San Jose St. and Purdue, and lost to
    Colorado."
    
    I honestly believe that head-to-head Colorado-Washington matchup will
    weigh heavily on the voters' minds if both teams win their bowl games,
    especially if Colorado does so against a once-beaten Notre Dame or even
    a twice-beaten Miami.  Even if it is convoluted, the voters have pulled
    the famed double-switch with teams not previously at #1 in the past 
    after the bowl-day dust has cleared, USC over Alabama in the 1978 UPI 
    poll coming immediately to mind.
    
    glenn
    

    If Houston beats Texas this weekend at Texas (ESPN 7:30 P.M.) There
    will be two #1 teams in the polls. I think it is the UPI that will
    rate a team on probation, I forget which one. I like CU a lot but
    I can't see them beating N.D. or Miami. With two losses going into
    New Years Day Miami is gonna be out to prove something and I think
    who ever they play, they'll kill them.
    
                                             Dan
    

AP will rate a team on probation. The UPI is the college coaches poll. 

If Houston beats Texas they'll get some votes. They'll still be behind
Colorado - Texas aint't Nebraska- and the winner of the ND-Tennessee
game.

But first they have to beat Texas - Texas ain't Arkansas.

TTom

    I should think that Buff fans would have some respect for Texas.  Word
    down there after the CU/UT game was that coaching was the difference
    between a Buff win or loss.  UT inexplicably subbed in alot of players
    in the crucial latter stages of the game.

If coaching decided the outcome of that game, the Longhorn Coach must be
an incredible dweeb!

When it comes to competent game day coaches, I'd rate McCartney just 
slightly ahead of Pee Wee Herman.

A lot of people seem to gag on Lou Holtz, but if the Buffs could keep
McCartney recruiting, and hire Lou to Coach, Colorado would probably be
the winners of the Mythical from now on.

Mike JN

I'vew added the USA Today, Jeff Sagarin's ratings and rankings to this
weeks poll results.

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  The Official Results of this Weeks DECpoll are:

  Rank  Team            Total Points  1st place votes  Power Rating (Rank)

  1.    Washington              249.5          11      97.89 (1)
  2.    Colorado                217.5           7      94.74 (3)
  3.    Notre Dame              196             3      87.70 (17)
  4.    Miami                   166             2      94.79 (2)
  5.    Iowa                    152                    92.94 (5)
  6.    Florida                 109             1      87.88 (16)
  7.    Tennesse                108                    89.75 (9)
  8.    Georgia Tech             96             1      90.10 (8)
  9.    Houston                  89             2      83.01 (22)
 10.    Virginia                 40                    94.42 (4)
        Florida State            28                    89.03 (11)
        BYU                      24                    89.54 (10)
        Nebraska                 16                    91.12 (6)
        Michigan                  9                    90.94 (7)
        Texas                     8                    88.29 (14)

How do they figure those power ratings out, anyway?
I think thy're full of crap.
Two weeks ago Virginia was a 97+
They're still a 94

I'm supposed to believe that Virginia can beat:
Notre Dame, Iowa, Florida, Tennessee, Houston, Florida State, BYU,
Nebraska????????

Nope!

Miami has a higher power rating than the two teams that beat em like a
rug?!?!

Gimme a break!

Okay... for you fans who want the benefit of my unerring
prognostications (or who just want to earn some money betting my picks):

Michigan won't cover the 12 pts against Illinois (and might lose).
Missouri upsets Iowa State
Florida doesn't cover the 19 pts against Georgia (and might lose)
Texas upsets Houston
UCLA upsets Washington
Iowa beats Ohio State
Notre Dame upsets Virginia
Colorado doesn't cover the 28 pts against Okie State (but wins)
Wyoming upsets BYU

What the hell's Miami doing this week? 
Playing another cupcake?!?!

Mike JN

    Miami has an off date this weekend.  They host Boston College next
    weekend, Syracuse the next weekend and play San Diego State (not sure
    of location) on December 1.
    
    John

>>    Yes, and Notre Dame lost to Stanford.  So, if that's so important,
>>    why don't you have Stanford rated above ND?
    
>>    My problem with many of you having Colo #1 is that Colo has lost twice
>>    (only one shows up, though), tied once, squeaked by the Huskies when
>>    a butter-fingered receiver dropped a pass in the end zone, 
      **********************************************************

     Sounds like the ending to the Notre Dame - Stanford game, damn those 
     butter-fingered receivers!!

     Jim O.

Gettin started with next week's number 1:

 1. Notre Dame - biggest win last week and on the road. They scored when 
	they needed and made enough big defensive plays to clinch it. 
 2. Colorado - can't get much credit for beating Oklahoma St (just look at 
	the Cowboys' record). May face ND in the Orange Bowl.
 3. Miami - picked a good week to rest and watch a lot of the top 10 lose.
 4. Florida - Best team on probation, this year. 
 5. Florida St - why do they play so well after they've blown No. 1?
 6. Michigan - even though it took 5 FGs to beat Illinois.
 7. Ga Tech - I guess winning with 2 FGs is better than losing.
 8. Nebraska - looking like their mad that they lost.
 9. Texas - played one of the better games this year in beating Houston.
10. Virginia - because a bunch of those above them lost.

TTom

 1. Notre Dame 
 2. Colorado 
 3. Miami 
 4. BYU 
 5. Florida St 
 6. Texas 
 7. Florida 
    8. Washington
    9 Iowa
10. Virginia 


    

    

 1. Notre Dame 
 2. Colorado 
 3. Georgia Tech
 4. Miami
 5. Florida
 6. Brigham Young
 7. Texas
 8. Virginia
 9. Washington
10. Iowa

    1.  Notre Dame  (May not be the best but does what it takes to be #1)
    2.  Georgia Tech  (You win, you move up)
    3.  Florida  (IMO, the toughest team in college football)
    4.  Miami  (Good team, but overrated.  Lucky to be in top 5)
    5.  Virginia  (Don't get no respect)
    6.  Florida State  (No comment)
    7.  Colorado  (Good, but not great.  Will lose bowl game again this year)
    8.  Texas  (Knocks off the mighty Coogs!)
    9.  Penn State  (Always a tough team despite losses.  Underrated.)
    10. BYU  (Most potent offense in the nation, including the NFL!)

  Here's a list of the rankings according to last week's DECpoll. Included
  are the results of the weekend games. Get your votes in for this week's
  DECpoll

  Rank  Team            

  1.    Washington      Lost to UCLA 25-22
  2.    Colorado        beat Oklahoma State 41-22
  3.    Notre Dame      beat Tennesse 34-29
  4.    Miami           did not play
  5.    Iowa            Lost to Ohio State 27-26
  6.    Florida         beat Georgia 38-7
  7.    Tennesse        Lost to Notre dame 34-29
  8.    Georgia Tech    beat Virginia Tech
  9.    Houston         Lost to Texas (score unknown)
 10.    Virginia        beat North Carolina 24-10
        Florida State   beat Cincinnati 70-21
        BYU             beat Wyoming 45-14
        Nebraska        beat Kansas 41-9
        Michigan        beat Illinois 22-17
  	Texas           beat Houston (score unknown)
  	Auburn		lost to Southern Mississippi
  	Mississippi	did not play
  	Wyoming		lost to BYU 45-14
  	Penn State	beat Maryland 24-10

    1. Georgia Tech (Still unbeaten -- good enough for me)
    2. Notre Dame (Good enough for number 2, will fall to PSU Saturday)
    3. Florida State (FSU playing great these days)
    4. Colorado (OK, I'll give in and rank them in the top 5)
    5. Miami (Probably should be higher, not convinced of that however)
    6. Iowa (Played some great ball, but lost on some strange plays)
    7. BYU (Don't like them but I gotta rank them somewhere)
    8. Virginia (Still tough)
    9. Tennessee (Still deserves to be in there)
    10. Washington (Gag. Cough. Choke. Ack.)

  1.  Notre Dame	Impressive win against tough Tenn at Knoxville
  			#1 until someone beats them in a big game
  2.  Colorado		Tough schedule. Seem to be getting better as the 
  			season progresses. Mike Pritchard is the most under
  			rated player in college football.
  3.  Florida		If they could play Notre Dame or Colorado, they
  			might be #1
  4.  Miami		Of their 3 tough games, they've lost 2. If they had
  			a tougher schedule, they could be ranked higher.
  5.  Nebraska		Blows away everybody they play but loses to CU.
  6.  Texas		Big win last weekend. Only loss to CU.
  7.  Washington	UCLA plays their best game of the season to upset
  			a very good Wash team. 
  8.  Georgia Tech	Unimpressive against Virginia Tech but still winning
  9.  Virginia		If they had only beat Georgia Tech
  10. Penn State 	Underated. Improving as the season progresses. Have
  			a chance for big upset this weekend.

 1. Notre Dame	8-1
 2. Colorado	9-1-1
 3. Nebraska	9-1
 4. Geo Tech	8-0-1
 5. Florida	8-1
 6. Virginia	8-1
 7. Missippi	8-1
 8. BYU		8-1
 9. Louisville	9-1-1 

10. Texas	6-1   \
                        TIE
10. Miami	6-2   /

Mike JN

 1. Notre Dame	8-1
 2. Florida	8-1
 3. Geo Tech	8-0-1
 4. BYU		8-1
 5. Mississippi	8-1
 6. Nebraska	9-1
 7. Miami	6-2
 8. Colorado	9-1-1
 9. Virginia	8-1
10. Texas	6-1

REK

re: .81, to complete the scores

>  8.    Georgia Tech    beat Virginia Tech, 6-3.
>  9.    Houston         Lost to Texas 45-24
>  	 Auburn		 lost to Southern Mississippi, 13-12.

TTom

    A far different-looking list this week:
    
    	1. Notre Dame
    	2. Georgia Tech
    	3. Texas
    	4. BYU
    	5. Florida
    	6. Virginia
    	7. Nebraska
    	8. Colorado
    	9. Florida State
    	10. Miami
    
    NAZZ

    No doubt about it, Notre Dame is #1.  They went into the dread
    Big Orange Neyland and prevailed where a_intimidated Florida
    (a team many of you jokers now rate in the top five) embarrassed
    itself and anybody unfortunate enough to have witnessed them there.
    
    Crazy thing about these polls, the *sequence* seems as important
    as the substance, or the lack thereof: Those who lost most recently
    are ranked most lowly, with near total disregard for level of 
    competition (as if the strength of opponent has little or nothing
    to do with outcome against opponent what a geeky joke :^)  This is
    how we end up gagging on insanities like "Florida, toughest team in
    the nation."  Ha ha haa..
    
    Tell it: Notre Dame plays a schedule that is so manly that it would
    make Richard Roundtree squeal in contralto.  They take and pass the
    test almost weekly.  Ditto for the likes of Colorado, Michigan, 
    Michigan State, Penn State, etc.
    
    Instead, on the effeminate side, we end up with the teams who avoid
    comp on top as the teams willing to belly up to the challenge
    inevitably pay the price.
    
    Top 5 overrated teams of '90 so far:
    
    1. Virgina
    2. Georgia Tech (who've they played?  Virgina, who *they* played?)
    3. Auburn (squeaked by several mediocre foes and finally folded)
    4. Houston (they finally played a good opponent and lookit)
    5. BYU (they're ba-a-a-aaaaack !!
    
    MrT

    You forgot one, T ...
    
    � 1. Virgina
    � 2. Georgia Tech (who've they played?  Virgina, who *they* played?)
    � 3. Auburn (squeaked by several mediocre foes and finally folded)
    � 4. Houston (they finally played a good opponent and lookit)
    � 5. BYU (they're ba-a-a-aaaaack !!
    
      6. Indiana (made it to No. 22 but couldn't handle the thin air)
    
    Don't thank me, it's alright ...
    
    Bob Hunt

re: .88

Agreed with the lack of schedule except that Auburn should get some
credit for playing and beating Florida St.

TTom

    
    Forget Virginia and Georgia Tech.  Houston is the most overrated team 
    of the year.  I honestly haven't seen a team this year with so many 
    fat, out-of-shape players as I saw on the field and along the sidelines 
    for Houston Saturday night.  James Hadnot and company just blew
    through their defensive front at will, they played poor pass defense
    (which was expected), and poor Klingler had to deal with a damn jailbreak
    every time he dropped back to pass.  The way Houston has run it up on
    lesser opponents the past two years, I couldn't feel a bit sorry for 
    them, either (and even down 45-24 they couldn't resist doing a little 
    end-zone touchdown boogie... incredible.) 
    
    I agree with you on Florida, T.  People are too concerned with what
    has happened in the last two weeks, when teams are always going to be
    up and down.  I felt this was the case with Washington, too.  It's the
    long haul that counts.  (Look for Florida St. to beat Florida in their 
    big rivalry at Tallahassee on Dec. 1.) 
    
    Speaking of which, Miami has set themselves up nicely for a long-shot
    backdoor job, and I don't believe they deserve it.  In spite of maybe 
    the best talent in the country, Miami has not come through in the two 
    tough games they've had to play under hostile conditions on the road, 
    yet they got the losses out of the way early enough to bounce back to
    #3 with three *easy* games remaining.  If ND drops one of their last
    two and then knocks off Colorado in the Orange, we could see Miami as
    national champs with a win over Texas in the Cotton, when both by 
    strength of schedule *and* head-to-head results Notre Dame would be 
    the more deserving 2-loss team (if it has to come to that).
    
    glenn
             

    >6. Indiana (made it to no 22 but couldn't...)
    
    No way.  The ambitious but undermanned Hoosiers deserved their
    single week in the top 25 based on their thrashing of Mizzou
    and tying of the Buckeyes.  Now that their puny defensive line
    has been exposed for the massive weakness that it is they are
    rated deservedly at thritysomething - even though with a new QB
    they're a better team now than ever.
    
    Also, a cruddy team being ranked briefly in at 22 is quite different
    from being ranked #1 or in the top 3, as all on my list were, right?
    
    But the Hoosiers are properly ranked cuz they played some comp.     
    As I said, I rate Tech at about #18, and Virgina in the low 20s, 
    but they'll never be bumped cuz they don't play Division I-A comp
    to speak of.
    
    Big10 Tom
    

Thrashing Mizzou has become a midwestern tradition. Even Iowa State beat
them (TCU, etc.) A Very good margin of victory for Indiana, I'll grant
you.

Tying Ohio State was a_underachievement. At the time, for Indiana. Now,
for Ohio State.

But hey, in the end, after Jan 2, we'll see who beats who. Virginia will
play the SEC champ and anyone who wants can rag on the results. Georgia
Tech will play Nebraska and again, have at it. 

For some teams, we don't need to wait until Jan to see if their
overrated. Iowa and Washington, for instance. And they're headed to the
RO$E BOWL.

TTom

 1. Notre Dame	8-1
 2. Colorado	9-1-1
 3. Florida	8-1
 4. Geo Tech	8-0-1
 5. BYU		8-1
 6. Miami	6-2
 7. Texas	6-1
 8. Mississippi	8-1
 9. Virginia	8-1
10. Nebraska	9-1

Jim M

    1.  Miami
    2.  Georgia Tech
    3.  Texas
    4.  Florida
    5.  Virginia
    6.  BYU
    7.  Nebraska
    8.  Colorado
    9.  Mississippi
    10. Florida State

    1. N.D.-  No doubt about this one, two tough games left. 
    2. Colorado-  they hope N.D. can win last two games.
    3. Texas- barely lost to Colorado, and haven't lost yet but
       they still have to play Texas A&M TCU.
    4. Florida- Playing real good ball, a sound team (coach of the 90's)
    5. BYU- haven't had a tough schedule but they beat Miami (convincely)
    6. Miami- still one of the most dangerous teams.
    7. Nebraska- can still finish with high rating if it beats GTU in 
                 the Citrus Bowl.
    8. Florida St.- probably will be undefeated a year from now, they are
                    still a young team.
    9.Penn ST.- Lost first two games and have been on a roll since.
    10.Georgia Tech- I don't think they'll beat Nebraska on the 1st
       

    
    
     1.Notre Dame
     2.Miami
     3.Colorado
     4.Ga. Tech
     5.Florida
     6.Fla. St
     7.Mississippi
     8.Texas
     9.Tennessee
    10.Nebraska
    
    
    
    Dave
    

    
    re 95
    
    Is this Dan?? 8^)
    
    
    
    
    Steve

    
    	1.Motor Dames
    	2.Ami's of Fla.
    	3.Wreck's of Tech
    	4.Bluffs
    	5.Gator Tators
    	6.Bulls of Texas
    	7.Injuns of Fla.
    	8.Ya Hoos
    	9.Cornshuckers
       10.Rebels 
    
    B.A.

    
    
               1.  Notre Dame
               2.  Colorado
               3.  Miami
               4.  Georgia Tech
               5.  Florida
               6.  Florida State
               7.  Texas
               8.  Washington
               9.  Tennessee
              10.  Iowa
    
    
    Greg

    Top Ten
    
    1. Notre Dame
    2. Colorado
    3. Miami
    4. Georgia Tech
    5. Washington
    6. Florida
    7. Virginia
    8. Iowa
    9. Texas
    10.Florida St.
     

    Top Ten
    
    1. BYU - still covering on the card every week 
    2. Miami - so good they won't put them on the card
    3. Colorado - covering, hope they don't have the dreaded Donk's fishbone
    4. Washington - they'll be back
    5. Illinois - usually cover the spread
    6. Florida - hot team
    7. Stanford - beat ND
    8. Penn St - will beat ND
    9. USC - also will beat ND
    10.Florida St.- could beat ND by 4 touchdowns
     

    Has anyone ever seen ::AKINGSBERRY and ::CHILDS together in the same
    place at the same time?  :-)
    

    Yea,
    	At the Notre Dame Hater's Club meetings that i spied upon.
    
    

    	Mike Childs told me last Friday that he hopes Notre Dame goes
    all the way this year.  Dan Schneider expressed the same sentiments.
    
    				/Don

    Re. Childs/Schneider/ND#1:
    
    Just to be able to raise some hell, doesn't surprise me a bit.
    
    glenn
    

    	Glenn it's true.  Of course he'll deny it now, but like the
    old saying goes "en vino veritas".
    
    				/Don

 Every Poll has somebody who votes on sheer emotion not objectivity. Call me
 that voice. Of course ND belongs in the top 5 but you'll never get me to
 vote for them public. With the way the scales of injustice balance in their
 favor someone has to tip the scales the other way.

 you guys slay me I can believe you whine cause I don't pick poor ole ND..
 thanks you've made my day....

 and they will go down!!!!!!!!!!

 on another note I saw that 45 of the Heisman voters were polled and Rocket is
 the leading canidate with 15 first place votes. Ty was second. What a travesty!
 If Biehememy went to ND, or Miami he'd be running away with it right now....

 mike 

    I doubt ol' Mr. Bienemy (sp?) would "run away" with the Heisman if
    he were at ND ...... it would be hard because he'd be 3rd string.
    
    Greg  :)

    1. Colorado
    2. Texas
    3. Florida
    4. Notre Dame
    5. Miami
    6. Nebraska
    7. BYU
    8. Florida State
    9. Georgia Tech
    10. Iowa
    

    This weeks Top Ten:
    
    1) Colorado
    2) Notre Dame
    3) Georgia Tech
    4) Miami
    5) Texas
    6) Florida
    7) Virginia
    8) Florida State
    9) Nebraska
   10) Washington
    
    						 glen j.

    1) Notre Dame
    2) Colorado
    3) Texas
    4) Miami
    5) Florida
    6) BYU
    7) Georgia Tech
    8) Virginia
    9) Florida State
   10) Washington

    1)  Pittsburgh State 	10-0
    2)  North Dakota State      10-0
    3)  Lycoming		 9-0
    4)  Mount Union		10-0
    5)  Wisconsin-Whitewater	10-0
    6)  Dayton			10-0
    7)  Hofstra			10-0
    8)  Allegheny		 9-0-1
    9)  Worcester Polytech       9-0-1
    10) Virginia Union		10-1
        Grand Valley            10-1
    
    The Wizard

    
    1. Notre Dame	Proved it on the field again
    2. Colorado		Can play with ND, but still should be underdog
    3. Miami		Only this high 'cause of question marks below
    4. Texas		Tough schedule, one loss, why not?
    5. Georgia Tech	Benefit of the doubt (NU-Tech bowl decent game, though)
    6. Florida St.	Like their chances vs. Florida, then Penn State
    7. Washington	Better than their effort Saturday
    8. Florida		Impressive scores, but Furman/Akron scheduling too much
    9. Virginia		Will have tougher bowl game than Tech's, though
    10. (tie) BYU	Detmer Heisman pick as bogus as Ismail
    10. Mississippi	Extreme, excessive benefit of the doubt here (blowout
    				to Tennessee will drop them to about 40th)
    
    glenn
    

    
    
    1.  Notre Dame      Wins another one that people said they couldn't
    2.  Colorado        Will be ready for the Orange Bowl
    3.  Miami           No more automatic Orange Bowl (home field bid)
    4.  Texas           Beat Houston, lost to Colorado.  All that matters.
    5.  Georgia Tech    Ramblin' Wreck almost wrecked their chances...
    6.  Florida         Gators tough
    7.  Florida St.     Seminoles tougher on Dec. 1st
    8.  BYU             These Cougars are the real run and shoot...
    9.  Washington      Nobody goes undefeated in Pac 10 play...
    10. Nebraska        Will beat Tech, but still no respect
                                                                

    
    
     1. Notre Dame 
     2. Colorado    
     3. Miami  
     4. Texas
     5. Florida St.
     6. Michigan
     7. Florida
     8. Georgia Tech
     9. Nebraska
     10.Virgina
    
      

  Here's the official results of this week's DECpoll

  Rank	Team		Total Points		1st place votes

  1.	Notre Dame		205			18
  2.	Colorado		180			 2
  3.	Miami			155.5			 1
  4.	Florida			135			 
  5.	Georgia Tech		133			 1
  6.	Texas			106.5
  7.	BYU			 73.5			 1
  8.	Florida State		 70
  9.	Virginia		 53
 10.	Nebraska                 48

  Teams which were close but don't get any cigars are:

  	Team            Total Points

  	Washington		 34			
	Mississippi		 19.5
  	Iowa			 13			 
	Michigan		 10
  	Penn State		  8
   	Tennesse		  6			
  	Illinois		  6 
	Stanford		  4
	USC			  2

  						Keith

    I still don't why both we and AP have Texas so low.  Granted, they do
    play in a weak conference, but here is a major college team with a good
    football tradition (which has a fairly good impact on AP voters) and
    only 1 loss.  They played CU very tough, won at Penn State, destroyed
    Houston, and beat OU, despite the fact they were outplayed by the
    Sooners.  Their next 2 games should tell us a little more.  UT plays
    TCU this week and Texas A&M is their last game.  And of course UT
    will have the big test in the Cotton (if they get there) against Miami.
    
    Joe

    That Ga. Tech and Virgina are appearing in most of these Top10s only
    proves that the surest road to success in college grid is by playing
    a gash schedule.  No apology is required, for some reason.
    
    Big10 Tom

  Here's the results of the games from this past weekend

  Last
  Week's
  DECpoll
  Rank	Team		record		game results

  1.	Notre Dame	8-2		Lost to Penn State 24-21
  2.	Colorado	10-1-1		Beat Kansas State 64-3
  3.	Miami		7-2		Beat Boston College 42-12
  4.	Florida		9-1		Beat Kentucky 47-15		
  5.	Georgia Tech	9-0-1		Beat Wake Forest 42-7
  6.	Texas		8-1		Beat TCU 38-10
  7.	BYU		9-1		Beat Utah 45-22
  8.	Florida State	8-2		Beat Memphis State 35-3
  9.	Virginia	8-2		Lost to Maryland 35-30
 10.	Nebraska        9-1		Did not play (plays Oklahoma on Fri)

  	Washington	8-2		Results not avaiable		
	Mississippi	8-2		Lost to Tennesse 22-15
  	Iowa		8-2		Beat Purdue 38-9
	Michigan	7-3		Beat Minnesota 35-18
  	Penn State	8-2		Beat Notre Dame 24-21
   	Tennesse	6-2-2		Beat Mississippi 22-15
  	Illinois	7-3		Beat Indiana 24-10
	Stanford	?		?
	USC		8-2-1		Beat UCLA 45-42

  						Keith

    My top ten, Colorado does not receive top ten votes because they 
    have beeen beaten twice and tied once.
    
    REK
    
    
  Rank     Team     record
-------------------------------
1.  Florida         9-1
2.  Texas           8-1
3.  Georgia Tech    9-0-1
4.  BYU             9-1
5.  Nebraska        9-1
6.  Miami           7-2
7.  Notre Dame      8-2
8.  Florida State   8-2
9.  Virginia        8-2
10. Penn State      8-2

Washington cleaned Washington St, 55-10.
Stanford beat California, 27-25.

TTom

>>  Stanford beat California, 27-25.
    
    Apparently, this one had a wild finish...
    
    With Cal ahead 25-18, Stanford score a TD and go for a two-point
    conversion and fail. Score 25-24.  12 seconds on the clock.  Cal fans
    invade the field in celebration.  Refs call a delay of game penalty
    (15 yards) on Cal and so Stanford kick off from the half way line.
    Stanford recover onside kick at Cal's 37-yd line with time for ONE
    play.   Stanford throw Hail-Mary pass incomplete.....BUT there is a
    flag!!  Roughing the passer  (15 yds and an automatic first down) but
    there is no time on the clock.    But remember the game can't end on a
    penalty, so Stanford kick a field goal from the 22 yd line.  27-25
    
    
    California must be a fun place to watch a football game....first the
    infamous band play and now this!! 
    
    PJ

    1.  MIAMI
    2.  Texas
    3.  Georgia Tech
    4.  Florida
    5.  B.Y.U.
    6.  Florida St.
    7.  Penn St. (Thank you, Nittany Lions !)
    8.  Nebraska
    9.  Iowa
    10. Colorado
    
    Any questions ?
    
    
    Alan (not Dan)

    1.  Georgia Tech
    2.  Colorado
    3.  Florida
    4.  Texas
    5.  Brigham Young
    6.  Penn State
    7.  Washington
    8.  Notre Dame
    9.  Miami (Florida)
    10. Iowa

    Is anyone considering Clemson for their top 10?  As much as I hate
    them, they are 9-2 and playing some great ball lately.  If you can use
    the "they're playing great right now" excuse for CU, you can apply it
    to Clemson too.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    1. Georgia Tech
    2. Florida
    3. Texas
    4. Colorado
    5. Nebraska
    6. BYU
    7. Notre Dame
    8. Miami
    9. Florida State
    10. Penn State

 1. Colorado   10-1-1
    The best team with the toughest schedule in football.

 2. Nebraska   10-1
    Not the toughest schedule, but they've got the numbers.

 3. Geo Tech	9-0-1
    Not the toughest schedule, but they've got the numbers.

 4. Florida	9-1
    Not the toughest schedule, but they've got the numbers.

 5. Missippi	9-1
    Not the toughest schedule, but they've got the numbers.

 6. Texas	7-1 
    Not the toughest schedule, but they've got the numbers.

 7. BYU		9-1
    Not the toughest schedule, but they've got the numbers.

 8. Notre Dame	8-2
    They blew it. A tough schedule, but  you've got to win when it counts

 9. Miami	7-2 
    Worse record than Notre Dame, against weaker opponents. Also, they
    lost to Notre Dame. AND they are playing a cream puff schedule to
    finish out their year. NO team with two losses should have a
    chance at the Mythical. Now, I'm not saying that anyone who would
    rank Miami ahead of Notre Dame is an ignorant piece of camel
    dropping... and that the only time people would think such imbeciles
    were level headed is when they see drool running out of both sides 
    of their mouths... but... well ... yeah.... I  guess that IS what I'm
    saying. If you have any complaints... go see a chaplain.

10. Florida St
    I like their Fight Hum.


 Mike JN

    > Is anyone considering Clemson for their top 10?  As much as I hate
    > them, they are 9-2 and playing some great ball lately.  If you can use
    > the "they're playing great right now" excuse for CU, you can apply it
    > to Clemson too.
    
    After they lost their second "tough" ACC game to Georgia Tech, Clemson
    has beat NC State (24-17), Wake Forest (24-6), Carolina (20-3), and 
    South Carolina (24-15).  I don't think that stacks up against 
    Colorado's "excuses" against Texas, Washington, Oklahoma, and Nebraska.   
    
    Dan'l, you're not turning into a closet ACC fan on us, are you?  ;-)
    
    glenn
    

>    Dan'l, you're not turning into a closet ACC fan on us, are you?  ;-)
    
    Argh!!!  Go wash your mouth out with soap, Glenn!
    
    I'll take Carnegie-Mellon all the way!  
    
    The reason I asked about Clemson is that I sat down to do my top 10 and
    I just couldn't decide.  So I decided to go by record.  I saw Clemson
    sitting there with a 9-2 mark and had trouble ignoring them considering
    all the other teams with two losses. 
    
    In my opinion, there is just no fair way to rank anyone past the 3rd
    slot.  And I still have trouble ranking Colorado in there because
    Missouri beat them. 
    
    So far I've got Georgia Tech at #1, Texas at #2, and BYU at #3.  After
    that, I'm clueless.
    
    	--dan'l

    >Is anyone considering ClemSuck for their top 10?
    
    Not me, Dan'l.  They're "playing great right now" cuz right now 
    they're playing a pansy schedule, and through the year will only
    have played the unbelievably overrated Virgina and, ugh, now Ga.
    Tech who in turn also took care not to play anybody outside their
    conference which is a fifth rate grid conference to begin with.
    
    To rate Tech #1 is to pretend that the quality of opposition don't
    count.  It do:
    
    1.  Colorado (toughest schedule along with Notre Dame)
    2.  Miami
    3.  Michigan
    4.  Notre Dame
    5.  Washington
    6.  Iowa
    7.  Tennessee
    8.  Florida St.
    9.  Penn State
    10. Florida

    RE -1
    
    How can you possibly not have Texas in your top 10?
    
    Joe

    1. Colorado
    2. Georgia Tech
    3. Texas
    4. BYU
    5. Nebraska
    6. Washington
    7. Penn State
    8. Notre Dame
    9. Miami
   10. Clemson

 1. Colorado		Nuff said.
 2. Miami		They can beat the rest.
 3. Texas		Especially if they can play Houston.
 4. Florida		Big O, strong D.
 5. Georgia Tech	Hard to tell but we'll see against Nebraska
 6. Nebraska		I'm still impressed with them.
 7. Florida State	Who wants to play them?
 8. Michigan		I still think they're one of the best.
 9. Penn State		They won at ND.
10. Notre Dame		They can still beat anybody.
10. BYU			A cut above the rest.

TTom

  Here's my top ten
  Rank	Team

  1.	Colorado	
  2.	Georgia Tech	
  3.	Florida				
  4.	BYU		
  5.	Nebraska        
  6.	Texas
  7.	Notre Dame
  8.	Miami
  9.    Washington		
  10.	Florida State

     1. Colorado	Tough sched.  Orange Bowl left.
     2. Texas		Has played well.  Could tumble against Baylor.
     3. Florida		#1 if not for probation.  Fla St. last game
     4. Georgia Tech	Weak sched. hurts ranking.
     5. Miami		Best of 2L bunch.  Should be in Orange, but...
     6. Notre Dame	They've overachieved; they've underachieved.
     7. Florida St.	Annihaliting in victory.  Lost 2 to quality.
     8. Nebraska	Weak sched.  Only loss to #1.
     9. Washington	Almost forgotten.  Good sched.  Good losses.
    10. Tennessee	Very respectable against the toughest sched?
    
    Notable omissions: BYU, Penn St., Houston, Iowa
    
    Dan

    Dan,
    
    How can you rate Miami over ND, when ND beat Miami.  Last year you
    were one of the noters claiming that head -to -head is what counted.
    Guess it only counts when it suits your needs..
    
    JD

    >How can you rate Miami over ND, when ND beat Miami.  Last year you
    >were one of the noters claiming that head -to -head is what counted.
    
    I had a very hard time doing that, and almost went in the reverse. 
    Last year, both teams only had one loss, and it made it that much
    easier to make that decision.  Also, last year, I feel Miami stomped
    all over ND, while this year it wasn't such a one-sided display by ND. 
    As I've said all along, I felt the loss to an unranked team, at home,
    is a particularly damning piece of evidence.  I'd say Miami's loss to
    BYU and ND's loss to Penn St. are similar in nature, other than I take
    more points off ND because it just happened.  I'd say Miami's loss to
    ND at ND is nothing to be ashamed of, but the Standford game is.  I
    give ND points for playing a tougher schedule, but perhaps not as much
    as you think I should, because Miami hasn't chosen to go the way of
    cupcakes, something you've falsely implied in the past, rather their
    chances of attracting a good schedule are slim because teams like ND
    are afraid to play them.
    
    >Guess it only counts when it suits your needs..
    
    Perhaps you should give me the opportunity to reply before you make a
    false judgement.
    
    Dan

    Dan,
    
    Miami is shrewd, they KNOW that voters tend to look at 'what's happened
    lately'.  So in their quest for a national title, they schedule
    Bye, Boston College and Syracuse - all unranked, cannon fodder teams
    (especially that powerhouse BYE, which is on their schedule every
    year) - whilst ND played Tenn., Penn State, and USC - hardly a
    'cupcake' schedule.
    
    A loss early is the same as a loss late - but the brain dead voters
    are too dumb to realize that.  At best, both Miami and ND should
    be tied in the rankings, and neither should have a chance at the
    mythical.   
    
    I'll bet that unless COlorado romps over ND in the Orange, that
    the whining from Miami will be amazing.  
    
    JD

	JD, JD, JD...  I am ashamed of you.  After all these years in
this conference you still haven't grasped the concept of a_excellent
loss!  Miami deserves to be ranked ahead of Notre Dame and damn well
deserves a #2 ranking because of their excellent losses.  The first
excellent loss was in BYU.  Not only was it a loss on the road, which
in itself qualifies it as a_excellent loss, but in that thin mountain
air, well what can you expect?  Their second excellent loss was against
Notre Dame.  Not only was that a_excellent loss because it was on the 
road, it was a_thigh_shuddering_excellent loss because we know how Miami
always gets jobbed beneath the shadow of Touchdown Jesus.

	Now both of Notre Dame's losses can't even be considered as
excellent losses because first they were at home and second Notre
Dame never qualifies for excellent losses.  Why?  Because I said so!
When will you ever learn it's not who you beat that counts, it's who
you lose to.  Excellent losses are what separates the men from the
boys.  Understand?

				/Don

    Thanks /Don, I'm a all cleared up now.  BTW - you gonna be in hte
    Mill nexted Monday?  I'l be there...
    
    JD

    	Hey Doc, what do you think of Houston's 84-21 pasting of that
    division 1-AA powerhouse Eastern Washington?  "Max" Klingler and
    the starting unit played until late into the fourth quarter.  Think,
    maybe they were running up the score?
    
    				/Don

    	Sure JD stop by and see me.  I'm still on 5-5 Pole 38D.  I have
    some books ACCaught gave me on Excellent Losses and if you want
    I can lend them to you.
    
    				/Don

    re .143
    
    Nah ... it was shamless pandering for Heisman votes ....
    
    And I'm afraid that Houston is taking out probation frustrations on any
    team that gets in their way.
    
    (BTW, Klinger also played the entire game in the blowout loss to Texas,
    so let's give 'em credit for consistency.)
    
    Doc

    	Actually how anyone can vote for anybody but Eric Bienemey is
    beyone me.  Klingler and Detmer pad the stats against patsies and
    Ismail doesn't come close to Eric's stats, which were gained against
    some of the nation's best teams.
    
    				/Don

    1. Florida:	A good all aroun team.
    2. Texas:	Until beaten, still have to play Baylor, Texas A&M, Miami
    3. Georgia Tech: If they beat Nebraska it will be hard not to give them
       the #1 ranking.
    4. BYU:    They beat Miami soundly.
    5. Penn ST: The hottest team in the country right now.
    6. N.D.:	Will beat CU once again in Orange bowl, but have USC first.
    7. Miami:   They lost to BYU and N.D. anyone that has them ranked 2nd 
                should quit reading the Polls before doing this.
    8. Colorado: I like this team they have a lot of guts but they have 
                 2 losses and a tie.
    9. Florida ST: Also very hot right now, them and Penn ST in the
                   Blockbluster should be a great game.
    10. Louisville: 9-1-1, the book won't be closed until we see how they
                    do against the runner up of the SEC in the Fiesta bowl.
     

    Another thing about Bieniemy is that he has been consistent all year
    long.  He has gained over 100 yards in every game except Texas, and in
    that one he had 99 yards.
    
    Joe

    
    	In the interest of keeping the bias beam balanced, here 'tis:
    
    1.  Colorado
    2.  Texas
    2.  Bama
    3.  Arkansas
    4.  Colorado School of Mines
    5.  Air Force
    6.  Colorado State
    7.  BYU
    8.  Georgia Tech (cuz they really don't have any wins)
    9.  Florida
    10. Nebraska
    
    Claybroon
    7.  

  1.	Colorado	10-1-1		
  2.	Florida		9-1				
  3.	Texas		8-1		
  4.	Georgia Tech	9-0-1		
  5.	Penn State	8-2		
  6.	Notre Dame	8-2		
  8.	BYU		9-1		
  7.	Miami		7-2		
  9.	Nebraska        9-1		
 10.	Washington	8-2				

    
     1.Colorado
     2.Miami
     3.Ga. Tech
     4.Texas
     5.Florida
     6.Fla. St.
     7.Notre Dame
     8.Tennessee
     9.Nebraska
    10.Penn State
    
    

    1. Colorado-For the umpteenth time, CU has 1 loss, not 2!
    2. Texas-Why is this team so underrated?
    3. Florida-Tough team in tough conference
    4. Miami-If there was a playoff, they'd win it.
    5. Nebraska-Will wipe out over-rated Ga Tech
    6. BYU-Easy schedule, but winning big.
    7. FSU-Has 2 losses, but both were tough road games.
    8. Penn St-Showed great character in coming back from 2-TD deficit late
               in 3rd quarter at ND & has won 8 straight.
    9. Notre Dame-Won 3 they should've lost, lost 2 they should've won.
    10. Georgia Tech-That win over UVA isn't looking so great right now.
    
    
    Joe

    1.  COlorado - they were #2 and #1 lost..
    2.  Georgia Tech - still undefeated
    3.  Texas - Why not
    4.  BYU - whipped Miami
    5.  Florida - tough team in tough conference that ducked Miami
    6.  Notre Dame - they were #1 and lost
    7.  Miami - cupcake schedule, only beat one good team
    8.  Penn State - playing great ball - 8 straight wins
    9.  Florida State
    10. Nebraska
    
    This is an objective rating.
    
    JD

    	For the life of me I can't figure out why BYU is ranked so high.
    They played one good team and beat them.  The rest of their schedule
    makes the weak sister A.C.C. look tough.  BYU is the Richard Simmons
    of college football!
    
    				/Don

    1) Ga. Tech  - Why not?
    2) Texas - Why not?
    3) BYU - beat Miami
    4) Penn State - 8 in a row, beat #1
    5) Colorado - should have 2 losses
    6) Florida - playing better
    7) Notre Dame - still think this is high
    8) Miami - lost to ND
    9) Washington - no real comment
    10) Michigan - Should only have 2 losses... one was close to ND

    1. Georgia Tech
    2. Texas
    3. Florida
    4. BYU
    5. Nebraska
    6. Colorado
    7. Penn State
    8. Florida State
    9. Notre Dame
    10. Miami
    
    NAZZ

    .
    2. Georgia Tech - still undefeated
    .
    .
    
    
    >This is an objective rating.
    
    It may be a_objective rating, JD, but it ain't a_intelligent rating.
    
    Who has Tech played this year?  Only two teams who are questionable
    members of the Top20 club, neither of whom have proved themselves 
    against quality nonconference competition.
    
    Tech is playing one a the weakest schedules in Div I history, and if
    they somehow win the Mythical even BYU and ClemSuck will blush and
    finally understand that en masse brain transplants are needed for the
    nation's sportswriters so that they might have the requisite mental
    firepower to account for strength of schedule.
    
    Even if Tech *does* beat Nebraska they don't deserve the Mythical.  It
    should instead go to one a the many teams who put it on the line several
    times during the year instead a just oncet.
    
    MrT

    1.  Massachusetts
    2.  William and Mary
    3.  Williams
    4.  Cal State Fullerton
    5.  New Mexico State
    6.  Wisconsin
    7.  Oregon State
    8.  Wake Forest
    9.  Holy Cross
    10. Union

    
    1. Colorado
    2. Texas
    3. Miami
    4. Notre Dame
    5. Georgia Tech
    6. Florida St.
    7. Washington
    8. Florida
    9. Penn State
    10. BYU
    
    glenn
    
    

    1. Florida
    2. Colorado
    3. Miami
    4. Texas
    5. Georgia Tech
    6. Florida St.
    7. Notre Dame
    8. Washington
    9. Penn State
    10. Houston
    6. BYU
    7. 

>    Tech is playing one a the weakest schedules in Div I history, ...

Some samples of schedule strength (Sagarin):

	Colorado	82.15
	Washington	81.22
	Miami-Fl	79.82
	Michigan	78.37
	Iowa		75.10
	Ga Tech		74.51
	Nebraska	72.15
	Florida St	71.51
	BYU		71.37
	Florida		71.81

TTom

>    	For the life of me I can't figure out why BYU is ranked so high.
>    They played one good team and beat them.  The rest of their schedule
>    makes the weak sister A.C.C. look tough.  BYU is the Richard Simmons
>    of college football!
    
    BYU's schedule is weak, but I would say Ga Tech's is weaker.  BYU has
    played 5 bowl teams:  they beat one of the nation's top teams in Miami,
    destroyed 3 bowl teams (CSU, Wyoming, AF), and lost on the road to a
    pretty decent Oregon team.  Meanwhile, Tech barely beat 2 pretty
    good (but certainly not great) teams in Virginia and Clemson, and they
    tied a mediocre North Carolina team.  I don't recall Tech playing 
    anyone even halfway decent outside the ACC.  Can someone confirm this?
    
    Joe

Little ditty in USA today:

Only 8 bowl teams have beaten more than 3 I-A opponents with winning
records:

	Washington (5), BYU (5), Notre Dame (5), Penn St (5),
	Georgia Tech (4), Clemson (4), Colorado (4), Illinois (4)

TTom

 1. BYU
 2. Washington
 3. Florida
 4. Georgia Tech
 5. Colorado
 6. Texas
 7. Penn St
 8. ND
 9. Miami
10. Florida St.

 mike

   
    > BYU's schedule is weak, but I would say Ga Tech's is weaker.  BYU has
    > played 5 bowl teams:  they beat one of the nation's top teams in Miami,
    > destroyed 3 bowl teams (CSU, Wyoming, AF), and lost on the road to a
    > pretty decent Oregon team.
                                                 
    Colorado State, Wyoming, and Air Force are bowl teams in name only.
    They're going to the bowls based on records compiled from the WAC and 
    below (Air Force will only go because of a commitment from the Liberty
    Bowl to a service academy).  The Miami win remains BYU's one and only 
    claim to fame, and the loss to a mediocre 8-3 Oregon team (their 6-3
    defeat of pathetic Oregon State last week was their first road victory 
    of the season) hurts pretty badly. 
    
    Georgia Tech's schedule is tougher, which the Sagarin strength of
    schedule confirms.  It's still weak, but it's tougher than BYU's.  If 
    you want to count bowl teams, Tech has also faced three definite and 
    two potential bowlers-- Virginia, Clemson, NC State, No. Carolina 
    and So. Carolina.  That's more teams than the ACC deserves to send 
    (NC State is 4-5 against 1-A teams; Carolina is 5-4-1 against the 
    same), but it's still stronger competition than those WAC teams BYU
    faced.  Georgia Tech also finishes up with a weak but young and
    potentially dangerous Georgia team in their intrastate rivalry on
    December 1.
    
    Believe it or not, Georgia Tech had the toughest schedule this year of 
    all the ACC bowlers, behind only Maryland's in the entire conference.
    Maryland should have been considered for the bowls before NC State or
    Carolina, in my opinion, but they saved their best effort for last 
    after the bowls had already pretty much made up their minds.
    
    glenn
    

 
    1. Colorado
    2. Ga Tech
    3. Texas
    4. Nebraska
    5. Florida St. 
    6. B.Y.U.
    7. Miami
    8. Washington
    9. ND
    10. Penn St.
  

    Why can Florida be ranked and not Houston... Isn't Florida on probation
    too?

    
    1) Colorado
    2) Georgia Tech
    3) Texas
    4) Florida
    5) Miami
    6) Florida State
    7) Notre Dame
    8) Washington
    9) Nebraska
   10) BYU
    
    						 glen j.

    1) Colorado         Hasn't lost in a long time, forget the Missouri game
    2) Texas            Impressive record
    3) Miami            Would be the favorite in a play off system.
    4) Georgia Tech     Impressive record, but weak schedule
    5) Florida          Are they really this good, we'll know this week.
    6) Notre Dame       Haven't impressed even when winning, but they won
    7) BYU              Weak schedule
    8) Penn State       8 wins in a row, including the big one last week.
    9) Florida State    When this team shows up they can beat anybody
   10) Nebraska         Only one loss and stayed with Colorado for 3 qrts.


    Hope a few top 10 team lose this week so the jump_the_gun bowls gets
    stuck with less than ideal matchups. Maybe next year they can wait 
    until after Turkeyday to invite teams.

Chuck

	1. Colorado
	2. Georgia Tech
	3. Nebraska
	4. BYU
	5. Texas
	6. Notre Dame
	7. Miami
	8. Washington
	9. Penn State
       10. Tennessee

The Florida teams are highly over-rated.  Florida is getting noticed because
they just beat Auburn big.  What is being over looked is their 45-3 drubbing 
by Tennessee.  Florida State was beaten by that same Auburn team.  Miami's
win over FSU boosted them in the ratings, but just who has FSU beaten? 

    
    1.Colorado
    2.Georgia Tech
    3.Texas
    4.Florida
    5.BYU
    6.Notre Dame
    7.Miami
    8.Penn St
    9.Washington
    10.Nebraska
    
    
    
    Ml
    

    Ya know what makes me roolllll big time?  Everyone who picks Miami
    up high in the list says "They'd win a playoff".  Why?  They lost
    two tough games against toughj opponents.  There won't be any BC's
    in a playoff.   Makes me laugh.  
    
    (And to satisfy Dan, I don't think ND would win a playoff system
    this year either.)
    
    JD

    > Ya know what makes me roolllll big time?  Everyone who picks Miami
    > up high in the list says "They'd win a playoff".  Why?  They lost
    > two tough games against toughj opponents.  There won't be any BC's
    > in a playoff.   Makes me laugh.  
    
    Agreed.  I felt the same way about Florida State last year.  Since
    there ain't no playoffs, the playoffs *are* those tough regular season
    games that you have to win, and everyone knows that going in.  Miami 
    lost their "playoff" games.  Period.  And so has everyone else with two 
    losses this year, and some of the teams with only one loss in as many 
    tough games, too, as far as I'm concerned. 
    
    JD, just for informational purposes, you're not still claiming that ND
    should have been national champs last year, are you?
    
    glenn
    

    Glenn,
    
    I still feel that ND played a tougher schedule than Miami last year,
    but Miami did clean their clocks in the head to head.  I also thought
    ND played the much tougher bowl game than Miami did, and felt they
    ducked the heavy comp.   (but that was the Orange Bowl's decision...)
    
    Would have made more sense for CU-Miami to play last year.
    
    JD

    Glenn,
    
    To answer the question - yep, Miami was #1 last year.
    
    JD

    Glenn,
    	I know you addressed your remarks to JD, but I thought nMiami
    deserved it last year despite non-comparative schedule strength.
    Go for head to head comp. If it comes down to Miami vs ND for #1
    this year(don't think it is going to happen) you gotta vote for ND
    based on head to head comp. In the same vein,to show others that I
    am not hypocritical,I would vote for Penn St over ND if it came down
    to both teams.
    
    
    ML
     

    ML,

         I'm not accusing you of being hypocritical. I admit when it comes
    to football I have my favorites and non-favorites. But could you explain
    why in note .101 you have ND #1, Colo. #2, and Miami #3, then ND loses
    and Miami wins this past weekend. In note .171 ND drops to #6, and Miami
    drops to #7. I don't understand how Miami can drop 4 notches when they win.
    If head to head counts for so much Penn St should be ahead of ND because
    they both have the same record.

    Maybe it was just a case of keyboard typing without thinking, but I'm
    wondering how may guys refer to there top 10 list posted the previous week
    before creating a new top 10?
     
    Chuck

    Chuck,
    	You know as I look back,it does seem inconsistent. And ,it is.
    I have a hard time reconciling who is the best team in order 1 to 10
    because of different strength of schedule. If  you go by simple
    won-lost records, then Ga. Tech,Houston,Fla.Nebraska would all be
    rated in the top 5 and we all know that ain't true. You caught me
    playing the old AP/UPI position game(hopefully keeping ND up there
    for contention,while sub or unconsciously keeping Miami one step
    behind,and not giving Penn St. enough credit). Good points all.
    So why don't I readjust my thinking cap and put down exactly who
    I think are the ten best teams in the country record be damned.
    
    1.Colorado
    2.Notre Dame
    3.Miami
    4.Washington
    5.Penn State
    6.Florida
    7.Texas
    8.Nebraska
    9.Florida St.
    10 Tennessee
    
    Yes, this is also subjective,but I do believe ND to be a better team
    than either Penn St or Miami(slightly).
    
    
    
    Ml
    
    

    
    	 1.Ga.Tech
    	 2.Colorado
    	 3.Miami
    	 4.Notre Dame
    	 5.Texas
    	 6.Fla.
    	 7.Fla. St.
    	 8.B.Y.U.
     	 9.Clemson
    	10.Tennessee
    
    B.A.

    1.	Colorado Buffaloes
    2.  Texas
    3.  Georgia Tech
    4.  Miami
    5.  Notre Dame
    6.  Washington
    7.  Penn State
    8.  Tennessee
    9.  Florida
    10. Nebraska
      

  Here's the official results of the past week's DECpoll

  Rank	Team		Total Points		1st place votes

  1.	Colorado		245			18
  2.	Texas			218		
  3.	Georgia Tech		208			 5
  4.	Florida			171			 3
  5.	Miami			149			 1
  6.	BYU			127			 1
  7.	Notre Dame		117			
  8.	Nebraska                 84
  9.	Penn State		 76
 10.	Florida State		 69

  Teams which were close but don't get any cigars are:

  	Team            Total Points

  	Washington		 61			
   	Tennesse		 14
	Michigan		 12
  	Iowa			  8			 
	Mississippi		  6
  	Clemson			  3
  	Virginia		  2
  	Louisville		  1
  	Houston			  1

  						Keith

  DECpoll
  Rank	Team		Record		Weekend Results

  1.	Colorado	10-1-1		did not play
  2.	Texas		9-1		beat Baylor 23-13
  3.	Georgia Tech	9-0-1		did not play
  4.	Florida		9-1		did not play
  5.	Miami		7-2		beat Syracuse (score unknwn)
  6.	BYU		10-1		beat Utah State 45-10
  7.	Notre Dame	9-2		beat USC 10-6
  8.	Nebraska        9-2		Lost to Oklahoma 45-10
  9.	Penn State	9-2		Beat Pitt 22-17
 10.	Florida State	8-2		did not play


  Results of teams which were close to making the DECpoll top ten 

  	Washington	9-2	 did not play
   	Tennesse	7-2-2	 beat Kentucky 42-28
	Michigan	8-3	 beat Ohio State 16-13
  	Iowa		8-3	 lost to Minnesota 31-24	 
	Mississippi	9-2	 beat Mississippi State 21-9
  	Clemson		9-2	 Did not play
  	Virginia	8-3	 lost to Va Tech 38-13
  	Louisville	9-1-1	 did not play
  	Houston		9-1	 did not play

  						Keith

My personal top ten... 

1. Norte Dame    9-2   Played the best
2. Miami         8-2   Can BEAT any team in the College ranks
3. BYU          10-1   Can beat anyone IF they have the ball last
4. Texas         9-1   A very over-looked team this year
5. Washington    9-2   PAC Tens best..Could not beat the big teams
6. Colorado     10-1-1 Should be 9-2-1 5th down is a factor
7. Penn State    9-2   Another team that has come on late
8. Georgis Tech  9-0-1 Still has not been beat this year
9. Florida State 9-2   Another team to beat from the south
10. Louisville   9-1-1 A new team growing up...

    REK, I'm real curious as to why you left Florida completely out of your
    latest Top 10 when you were such an advocate of them being the #1 team
    for the last 4-5 or so weeks.  Talk about dropping a few spots!
    
    Hawk

    
    I has Florida near the top... Then I found out they were
    on probation... Off they go...
    
    REK

 1.	Colorado	It's theirs to lose.
 2.	Miami-FL	Just ask Syracuse.
 3.	Texas		Just A&M between them and the Miami.
 4.	Notre Dame	Heading back to the top.
 5.	Georgia Tech	Looking forwatd to Nebraska.
 6.	Florida State	Florida and Penn St should test them.
 7.	Tennesse	Should blow out Virginia.
 8.	BYU		Detmer and the Cougars step up.
 9.	Michigan	Nobody wants to play them.
10.	Penn State	Paterno has them looking good.

TTom

  1.	Colorado		
  2.	Georgia Tech		
  3.	Texas			
  4.	Florida			
  5.	BYU			
  6.	Penn State		
  7.	Notre Dame				
  8.	Miami			
  9. 	Tennessee		
 10.	Michigan		

Okay... This week's rankings are based on relative strength, and the
hell with the Won/Loss. Well, not  totally. Tennessee with 7-2-2 may be
better than the 8., 9., 10. picks, but that's just too many losses and
ties. Mississippi at 9-2 might also deserve a shot at the Top Ten, but I
honestly feel any of my listed teams could beat them. Also, Penn State
or Nebraska might be  better than Georgia Tech, but an unbeaten season 
deserves SOME credit. Louisville has a great record, too, but there just 
wasn't room.

  1.	Colorado	10-1-1
  2.	Notre Dame	9-2   
  3.	Miami		7-2   
  4.	Texas		9-1   
  5.	Florida State	8-2   
  6.	Washington	9-2   
  7.	BYU		10-1  
  8.	Georgia Tech	9-0-1 
  9.	Penn State	9-2   
 10.	Nebraska        9-2   

    1. Colorado 
    2. GA Tech 	
    3. Texas 
    4. Notre Dame
    5. Miami 
    6. BYU 		
    7. Florida 				
    8. FSU
    9. Washington		
    10. Penn State
     
	
  

    After careful consideration .....
    
              1.  Texas
              2.  Notre Dame
              3.  Georgia Tech
              4.  Miami
              5.  Penn State
              6.  Colorado
              7.  Florida State
              8.  BYU
              9.  Iowa
             10.  Louisville

              1.  Georgia Tech
              2.  Texas
              3.  Brigham Young
              4.  Colorado
              5.  Penn State
              6.  Notre Dame
              7.  Tennessee
              8.  Miami (Florida)
              9.  Florida State
             10.  Washington

    
    1.  Colorado
    2.  Texas
    3.  Georgia Tech
    4.  B Y U
    5.  Notre Dame
    6.  Miami
    7.  Florida
    8.  Penn State
    9.  Florida State
    10. Washington 
    
    
    
    Frank Mendez
     

    1.	Texas:	Win final two games and the #1 ranking is theres
    2.	Colorado: With a Texas loss and a win over N.D.
    3.	Penn ST: Very hot right now, big game against FSU on the 28th
    4.	N.D:  	With the Rocket they win without they lose
    5.	BYU:	I hope Texas A&M kill them at the holday bowl.
    6.	Miami:  I'm still confused with everyone saying that if they beat
                Texas and N.D. beats CU they win the title.
    7.	Florida: Big game this saturday at Florida ST.
    8.	FSU 	      See above
    9:  Georgia Tech. If they lose to Georgia they'll drop out of my top 20
    10.	Wahington: Will kill Iowa, Iowa has no confidence right now.

    Texas
    Ga. Tech
    Penn State
    Colorado
    BYU
    Notre Dame
    Miami
    Michigan
    Washington
    Florida
    

    
    Will the people who have ranked FSU so high please explain why they did
    so?  They have lost to the only 2 good teams they have played and one
    of those was Auburn who was killed by Florida and lost to Souther
    Miss...
    

     1. Georgia Tech
     2. Texas
     3. Miami
     4. BYU
     5. Florida
     6. Penn State
     7. Notre Dame
     8. Washington
     9. Florida State
    10. Colorado
    
    NAZZ
    
    PS - Florida State is ranked highly by so many people because of their
    neat fight song anda cool uniforms.  Hope this helps.

  1.	Colorado		
  2.    Texas
  3.	Penn State
  4.    Georgia Tech		
  5.	Notre Dame					
  6.	BYU			
  7.	Florida			
  8.    Washington
  8.	Miami			
 10.	Michigan

    1	Texas
    2	Penn State
    3	Notre Dame
    4	BYU
    5	Georgia Tech
    6	Washington
    7	Colorado
    8   Miami
    9   Florida St.
    10	Michigan

Florida State will have this weekend to prove whether or not they deserve
such a lofty status as the SPORTS Top 10. If they indeed win over
Florida, they will have proven their rightful place. If they lose,
they're outta here.

TTom

    1.  MIAMI
    2.  Texas
    3.  Georgia Tech
    4.  Florida
    5.  BYU
    6.  Florida State
    7.  Penn State
    8.  Houston
    9.  Louisville
    10. Colorado
    
    Florida State is ranked so high because they have the guts to keep
    Miami on their schedule.

    
    The F-Teams (Miami, Florida and Florida State) will have
    lost to BYU, Notre Dame and Tennessee;
    split with Auburn;
    beat themselves :-);
    and managed wins over Iowa and the Cupcakes.
    
    On their hit list were teams like Furman, Akron, Georgia Southern,
    East Carolina, Tulane, Cinncinnati, Memphis State, BC, Kansas,
    Texas Tech, and San Diego State.
    

    
    
     1.Colorado
     2.Miami
     3.Ga. Tech
     4.Texas
     5.Florida
     6.Fla.St.
     7.Tennessee
     8.Notre Dame
     9.B.Y.U.
    10.Penn State
    
    
    David
    

    
    
    1. Georgia Tech
    2. Colorado
    3. Miami
    4. Penn State
    5. Florida
    6. Texas
    7. Notre Dame
    8. Clemson
    9. Washington
    10. Tennessee

    
    	 1.Miami
    	 2.Ga.Tech
    	 3.Colorado
    	 4.Fla.
    	 5.Fla.St.
    	 6.Texas
    	 7.Tenn.
    	 8.BYU
    	 9.Clemson
    	10.Oklahoma
    
    B.A.

    1. Colorado
    2. Texas
    3. Florida
    4. Miami
    5. BYU
    6. FSU
    7. Penn State
    8. Notre Dame
    9. Georgia Tech
    10. Washington
    
    Joe

    To those teams that I don't know about and still have an unbeaten
    record, oh well 8^)
    
    1)  Pittsburgh State	12-0-0
    2)  North Dakota State	12-0-0
    3)  Lycoming		11-0-0
    4)  Hofstra			12-0-0
    5)  Allegheny		11-0-1
    6)  Georgia Tech		 9-0-1
    7)	Williams		 8-0-0
    8)	Indiana, Pa.		11-1-0
    9)	Mississippi College	11-1-0
    10)	Nevada			11-1-0
    11)	Middle Tennessee State	11-1-0
    12)	Central Iowa		10-1-0
    13)	BYU			10-1-0
    14)	Rampado			10-1-0
    15)	Washington & Jeffery	10-1-0
    16)	Colorado		10-1-1
    17) Texas			 9-1-0
    18) Florida			 9-1-0
    19) Houston			 9-1-0
    20) Louisville		 9-1-1

    1. Colorado
    2. Texas
    3. Miami
    4. Notre Dame
    5. Georgia Tech
    6. Florida St.
    7. Washington
    8. Penn State
    9. Florida
    10. BYU
    
    glenn
    

    
    1.Colorado
    2.Notre Dame
    3.Miami
    4.Penn St
    5.Texas
    6.Washington
    7.Florida
    8.Florida St.
    9.Tennessee
    10.Ga. Tech
    
    

    1) Colorado
    2) Georgia Tech
    3) Texas
    4) Florida
    5) Miami
    6) Florida State
    7) Notre Dame
    8) Washington
    9) BYU
   10) Penn State
    
    						 glen j.

    1. Colorado
    2. Texas
    3. Florida
    4. Georgia Tech
    5. Miami
    6. Notre Dame
    7. Florida St.
    8. Penn St.  	Forgive me for chosing Neb. last week
    9. Washington
   10. BYU		With misgivings that I should leave Tenn. there

    
     1. Colorado     Playing the best ball.
     2. Texas        Tougher than most think.
     3. George tech  Good but still haven't play enough big games.
     4. Miami        Good but have not played to their potential.
     6. Notre Dame   Tough schedule and won more games then I thought.
     7. Florida
     8. Washington
     9. Florida St
    10. Washington
    
    
    CU BUFFS will make all of Notre Dames night mares come true on Jan 1.
    Look for the Buffs to run it up 43 plus points.
    
    " THE DREWSKI "
    

  
	1. Texas      - best team imho
	2. colorado   - 5th down still counts as loss in my book
	3. Washington - Rose Bowl matchup has/will hurt them
	4. Penn state - coming on strong
	5. notre Dame - lost to Penn but beat Miami..strength of schedule
	6. miami      - Lost only 2 tough games they've played
	7. Georgia Tech - weak conference..
	8. BYU        - another weak conference
	9. Florida    - miami,florida and fl St. feed off each other
	10. Tenn      - 2 losses and 2 ties...but strong schedule


Just another Man's opinion.....


Metz

	1. Colorado - Tough schedule - 1/2 game ahead of competition
	2. BYU - Undefeated if Detmer not hurting in Oregon game
	3. Georgia Tech - Carolina Blues?
	4. Texas - Beat pst! Lucky against OU
	5. Notre Dame - team needs Rocket to take off
	6. Miami - Two down, one to go? (BYU, ND, Texas?)
	7. Washington - UCLA?
	8. Penn State - Texas better, beat weakened ND
	9. Michigan - Got jobbed a time or two
       10. Tennessee - 45 FLA 3

The Florida teams are over-rated.  Florida is getting noticed because they
recently beat Auburn big.  What is being over looked is their 45-3 drubbing
by Tennessee.  Florida State was beaten by that same Auburn team.  Miami's
win over FSU boosted them in the ratings, but again, just who has FSU beaten? 

    1. Colorado      haven't lost in a long time, #1 until someone beats them
    2. Texas         a close loss to Colorado
    3. Miami         on a role, crushed Pitt, Syracuse
    4. Georgia Tech  will fall to Nebraska, another Virginia?
    5. Florida       will find out this week when they play Fla State
    6. Notre Dame    would have moved up if they had beat USC decisively
    7. BYU	     to weak of a schedule 
    8. Penn St.      struggled with Pitt
    9. Florida St.   show down with FLA this week
   10. Washington    why not the Rose Bowl needs attention

Chuck

>    4. Georgia Tech   another Virginia?
    
    Without a doubt.
    
    

    Here's my top ten...
    
    1.  Colorado
    2.  Georgia Tech
    3.  Texas
    4.  BYU
    5.  Notre Dame
    6.  Miami
    7.  Penn State
    8.  Florida
    9.  Washington
    10. Florida State
    
    Peace/ed

 re .213  

>> The Florida teams are over-rated.  Florida is getting noticed because they
>> recently beat Auburn big.  

   ... and beat georgia big and beat kentucky big 
   ... and because tennessee lost, HA HA HA !!!!!
   

>> What is being over looked is their 45-3 drubbing by Tennessee.  

   no argument here, enjoy this win coz there aint a whole lot else to 
   cheer about, ya'll should have had the sec hands down (given that the 
   gators cant 'officially' win it), imo its the vols that were overrated.
   
   The gators have the best d in the nation and are easily the best team
   in the sec. If we had the kind of lethal wr's that you have we'd be 
   #1, Steve Spurrier has got to be the coach of the year in college ball.

   Florida is by far the best state for college football, i think miami,
   fsu and florida all deserve their place in the top 10. 

   Ashman

     
    Top 10:  1) Notre Dame 
             2) Miami      
    	     3) Texas
             4) Georgia Tech
             5) Florida
             6) Colorado
             7) BYU
             8) Florida State
             9) Penn St
            10) Tennessee
    

    
    .217�   The gators have the best d in the nation and are easily the best team
    .217�   in the sec. If we had the kind of lethal wr's that you have we'd be 
    
    
    The best defense in the the nation doesn't let a team score 45 points
    on them no matter who it is and until you beat the Vols there is know
    way you can claim to be the best team.  Losing to a team 45-3 and your 
    are saying that Florida is a better team, no way.  I also do not see
    Spurrier winning the COY over Bobby Ross of Ga. Tech.  I am glad that
    Spurrier is at Florida because he only makes the SEC stronger,which
    brings more attention to the conference.  
    
    
    Vols to rule the SEC in 90s
    David

    1. Colorado - Tough scheudle, good record. However, I'm not thrilled
    with them.
    2. Georgia Tech - ACC is slightly underrated, and Tech is a solid team.
    3. Florida - SEC is the best conference in the country. Only one loss
    says a lot (albeit a blowout)
    4. Miami - Lost their two toughest games.
    5. Texas - Lucky to play their best game on ESPN, but I'm not impressed
    with their offense on a week-in, week-out basis.
    6. Notre Dame - I hate 'em, but they play good teams, and have lost
    just twice - to two weaker teams.
    7. Tennesee - They'd be #1 if they had beaten ND.
    8. Penn State - A decent team, but they'd get plastered in a playoff.
    9. BYU - Gimme a break. Half of the WAC plays a 1-AA caliber ball. BYU
    won't even play a tough bowl opponent (as usual).
    10. Houston - Still just one loss, but boy was it a big one. The ASU
    game may go a little ways in proving whether or not the UT game was a
    fluke. 
    
    Others :
    
    Nebraska - Got waxed by the only tough opponents on the scheudle.
    Forget it.
    
    Virginia - Good team, but not Top 5. :-( As for the Tech game, Bob hunt
    warned us, besides UVa without Moore, is like ND without the Rocket -
    times 10.
    
    Virgina Tech - Hell, they've knocked off 4 bowl teams this year. Not
    bad.

  Here's the official results of this week's DECpoll

  Rank	Team		Total Points		1st place votes

  1.	Texas			265			 5
  2.	Colorado		240			17
  3.	Georgia Tech		202			 3
  4.	Miami			190			 2
  5.	Notre Dame		166			 1			
  6.	BYU			125
  7.	Penn State		118
  8.	Florida			108
  9.	Florida State		 76
 10  	Washington		 66			


  Teams which were close but don't get any cigars are:

  	Team            Total Points

   	Tennesse		 28
	Michigan		 10
  	Clemson			  5
  	Louisville		  4
  	Houston			  4
  	Iowa			  2			 
  	Virginia		  2
  	Nebraska                  1
  	Oklahoma		  1
  						Keith

  I made a mistake in my calculations of the DECpoll top 10. After checking,
  rechecking and rechecking, the official results of this week's DECpoll are:

  Rank	Team		Total Points		1st place votes

  1.	Colorado		240			17
  2.	Texas			238			 5
  3.	Georgia Tech		202			 3
  4.	Miami			190			 2
  5.	Notre Dame		166			 1			
  6.	BYU			125
  7.	Penn State		118
  8.	Florida			108
  9.	Florida State		 76
 10  	Washington		 66			


  Teams which were close but don't get any cigars are:

  	Team            Total Points

   	Tennesse		 28
	Michigan		 10
  	Clemson			  5
  	Louisville		  4
  	Houston			  4
  	Iowa			  2			 
  	Virginia		  2
  	Nebraska                  1
  	Oklahoma		  1
  						Keith

  Rank	Team		Total Points/		Power Rating/
			1st place votes		rank

  1.	Colorado		240 (17)	95.40 (1)
  2.	Texas			238 (5)		92.84 (4)
  3.	Georgia Tech		202 (3)		87.21 (14)
  4.	Miami			190 (2)		94.90 (2)
  5.	Notre Dame		166 (1)		88.87 (11)
  6.	BYU			125		90.36 (7)
  7.	Penn State		118		87.86 (12)
  8.	Florida			108		89.51 (8)
  9.	Florida State		 76		90.60 (6)
 10  	Washington		 66		94.89 (3)

   	Tennesse		 28		87.69 (13)
	Michigan		 10		89.42 (9)
  	Clemson			  5		86.53 (15)
  	Louisville		  4		75.76 (42)
  	Houston			  4		84.07 (19)
  	Iowa			  2		86.34 (16)
  	Virginia		  2		84.90 (18)
  	Nebraska                  1		88.89 (10)
  	Oklahoma		  1		92.58 (5)

	Southern Cal		  -		85.90 (17)
	Ohio St			  -		84.03 (20)

TTom

    Boy ...... first Colorado gets the famous "5 downs" break , now they
    get DECpoll 1st place after "recalculation" ...... the more this stuff
    happens the more I hope ND beats them by a zillion points.
    
    
    Greg

If Notre Dame beats Colorado, then the winner of Texas-Miami could be the
voted on champ. Especially true if Texas wins after beating Texas A&M.
Their single loss - CU - was long enought ago to bring in the votes.

TTom

    
    
     1.Colorado
     2.Ga. Tech
     3.Texas
     4.Miami
     5.Fla. St.
     6.Tennessee
     7.Notre Dame
     8.Penn State
     9.Washington
    10.Alabama
    
    
    
    

     1.Colorado
     2.Ga. Tech
     3.Texas
     4.Fla. St.
     5.Penn State
     6.Notre Dame
     7.Miami
     8.Tennessee
     9.Washington
    10.Alabama

	Jim M

  I don't have access to the weekend scores of the teams ranked in DECpoll.
  If anyone has access, please post them.

						Keith

         Was			Is
    1  Texas                   Ga. Tech
    2  Ga. Tech                Penn State
    3  Penn State              Colorado
    4  Colorado                Texas
    5  BYU                     ND
    6  Notre Dame              Miami
    7  Miami                   Michigan
    8  Michigan                FSU
    9  Washington              Washington
    10 Florida                 Tennessee
    

    

	1. COLORADO       (Best Team in the country)
	2. GEORGIA TECH   (Best Record in the country)
	3. TEXAS          (next best)
	4. NOTRE DAME     (toughest schedule, and two losses)
	5. 
        thru 
	11 bazillion. (UNIMPORTANT. None of the rest deserve a
	                       shot at the Mythical........
                               no matter WHAT happens)

Ah has spoken
Mike JN

 1. Colorado		Still at the head of the class, but will lose to ND.
 2. Notre Dame		Queue them up for a New Year's win and crown.
 3. Georgia Tech	Won at Georgia, big. Next victim: Nebraska.
 4. Miami		Coasted but still a major. Will beat Texas.
 5. Florida St		Just like everyyear - great at the end.
 6. Tennessee		Licking their chops for the Cavs.
 7. Texas		Squeeked by but will lose the Miami.
 8. Penn St		Still in Top 10 but will lose to Florida St.
 9. Michigan		Best from a disappointing Big10.
10. Washington		Glad that it's Iowa, should win big.

TTom

    1.  MIAMI
    2.  Texas
    3.  Georgia Tech
    4.  Florida State
    5.  Penn State
    6.  Houston
    7.  Florida
    8.  Tennesee
    9.  Colorado
    10. Notre Dame

    1. Georgia Tech (Impressive win on the road)
    2. Colorado
    3. Penn State
    4. Florida State (Soundly whipped Fla.)
    5. Texas (Unimpressive win at home)
    6. Notre Dame
    7. Clemson
    8. Washington
    9. Tennessee
    10. Miami (Poor show vs weak opponent)
    
    Chris
    

    1. Georgia Tech	(10-0-1)
    2. Texas 		(10-1)
    3. Colorado		(10-1-1)
    4. Notre Dame	(9-2)
    5. Penn State	(9-2)
    6. Houston		(10-1)
    7. Florida State 	(9-2)
    8. Washington	(9-2)
    9. Tennessee	(8-2-2)
    10. Miami 		(9-2)
    

  1.	Colorado		
  2.	Penn State
  3.	Georgia Tech
  4.	Texas	
  5.	Notre Dame					
  6.    Washington  
  7.    Miami       
  8.	Florida State		
  9.    Michigan    
 10. 	Oklahoma		

    1. Georgia Tech
    2. Colorado
    3. Texas
    4. Penn State
    5. Notre Dame
    6. Tennessee
    7. Washington
    8. Florida State
    9. Louisville
   10. Brigham Young

    1) Colorado
    2) Georgia Tech
    3) Texas
    4) Florida State
    5) Notre Dame
    6) Penn State
    7) Miami
    8) Washington
    9) Florida
   10) Tennessee
    
    						 glen j.
    

    
    	 1.Ga.Tech
    	 2.Miami	
    	 3.Fla.St.
    	 4.Texas
    	 5.Colorado
    	 6.Notre Dame
    	 7.Washington
    	 8.Clemson
    	 9.Tennessee
    	10.Florida
    
    B.A.

    
      
    1.  Colorado
    2.  Fla. St.
    3.  Notre Dame
    4.  Miami
    5.  Tennessee
    6.  Ga. Tech
    7.  Penn St.
    8.  Texas
    9.  Washington
    10. Clemson
    

    
    
    1. Penn State
    2. Colorado
    3. Fla St
    4. Tennessee
    5. Miami
    6. Ga Tech
    7-10 Who cares
    
    
    
    JaKe
    

My top Ten

1.  Georgia Tech	
2.  Texas		
3.  Penn State	
4.  Notre Dame	
5.  Louisville	
6.  Miami		
7.  Florida State	
8.  Colorado	
9.  Nebraska        
10. Tennesse	


REK

    1. Colorado
    2. Texas
    3. Miami
    4. FSU
    5. Penn State
    6. Notre Dame
    7. Georgia Tech
    8. Washington
    9. Houston
    10. Tennessee
    
    Joe

    
                   1. Texas
                   2. Georgia Tech
                   3. Penn State
                   4. Notre Dame
                   5. Miami
                   6. Florida State
                   7. Colorado
                   8. Washington
                   9. Iowa
                  10. Michigan
    

     
    1. Colorado
    2. Texas
    3. Georgia Tech
    4. Notre Dame
    5. Miami
    6. Florida St.
    7. Washington
    8. Penn State
    9. Michigan
    10. Tennessee
    
    glenn
    

	 1. Georgia Tech	151  (6)
	 2. Colorado		148  (9)
	 3. Texas		129  (1)
	 4. Penn State		101  (1)
	    Notre Dame		101
	 6. Florida State	 99
	 7. Miami		 90  (1)
	 8. Tennessee		 45
	 9. Washington		 37
	10. Houston		 12
	11. Michigan		 11
	12. Clemson		  8
	    Louisville		  8
	14. Florida		  7
	15. Alabama		  2
	    Iowa		  2
	    Nebraska		  2
	18. Brigham Young	  1
	    Oklahoma		  1

    1. Colorado      ! still on top
    2. Texas         ! good come back
    3. Miami         ! won a close game against Miami west
    4. Notre Dame    ! moves up
    5. Georgia Tech  ! they can't beat the above 4 teams
    6. Florida St.   ! Bowl game will show how good they are, very young team
    7. Penn State    ! ditto
    8. Washington    ! Giant who has a knack for stumbling
    9. Tennessee     
   10. Michigan      ! The early ND loss killed this team

    1	Tex U
    2	Penn St
    3	ND
    4	Maime U
    5	Flo St
    6  	Geo Tech
    7	Color U
    8	Tenn U
    9	Wash U
    10  Mich U

    
    1. Colorado
    2. Notre Dame
    3. Miami
    4. Penn St.
    5. Texas
    6. Georgia Tech
    7. Tennessee
    8. Florida St.
    9. Washington
    10.Florida
    
    
    ML
     

  Rank	Team		Total Points	1st place votes   Rank last week

  1.	Colorado		172	11			1
  2.	Georgia Tech		167	6			3
  3.	Texas			154	2			2
  4.	Notre Dame		125		 		5	
  5.	Penn State		121	1			7
  tie	Miami			113	1			4
  tie	Florida State		113				9
  8. 	Tennesse		 54
  9. 	Washington		 48			       10
 10.	Michigan		 13


  Teams which were close but don't get any cigars are:

  	Team            Total Points			Rank last week

  	Houston			 12
  	Florida			  8				8
  	Clemson			  8
  	Louisville		  8
  	Iowa			  2			 
  	Nebraska                  2
  	Alabama			  2
  	BYU			  1				6
  	Oklahoma		  1

  						Keith

  Except for the Army/Navy game, I think most if not all colleges are finished
  with their regular season. Therefore there won't be a DECpoll until
  after New Year's day when we'll finally come up with the real Top 10.

  						Keith

  Rank	Team	Total Points(1st place votes)	Power Rating/(rank)

  1.	Colorado		172 (11)	94.90 (1)
  2.	Georgia Tech		167 (6)		87.57 (11)
  3.	Texas			154 (2)		91.29 (6)
  4.	Notre Dame		125		88.17 (9)
  5.	Penn State		121 (1)		87.47 (12)
  tie	Miami			113 (1)		92.47 (3)
  tie	Florida State		113		92.15 (4)
  8. 	Tennesse		 54		87.41 (13)
  9. 	Washington		 48		94.45 (2)
 10.	Michigan		 13		89.13 (7)

  	Houston			 12		86.50 (14)
  	Florida			  8		87.97 (10)
  	Clemson			  8		86.46 (15)
  	Louisville		  8		75.67 (42)
  	Iowa			  2		85.57 (16)
  	Nebraska                  2		88.69 (8)
  	Alabama			  2		83.71 (22)
  	BYU			  1		84.64 (18)
  	Oklahoma		  1		92.05 (5)

	Southern Cal		  -		85.41 (17)
	Virginia		  -		84.61 (19)
	San Jose St		  -		83.69 (20)

TTom

      Ranking based on Wins & Ties against CNN Top 25  (losses are losses)
    
  Rank	DECpoll	Team	                Record      Games Behind      Points

  1.	(1)	Colorado		4-1-1		---		172
  tie	(4)	Notre Dame		5-2		---		125
  3.	(3)	Texas			3-1		 .50		154
  4.	(2)	Georgia Tech		2-0-1 *1	 .75		167
  5.	(5)	Penn State		2-2		1.50		121
  tie	(6/7)	Miami			2-2		1.50		113
  tie	(15)  	Iowa			3-3		1.50		  2
  8 	(8)	Tennesse		2-2-2 *2	1.75		 54
  9.	(6/7)	Florida State		1-2		2		113
  tie 	(9)	Washington		1-2		2		 48
  tie	(10)	Michigan		2-3		2		 13
    
  *1 Tie with NC counts as 0 win, .5 loss
     Given 1 win for beating UVA with Shawn Moore,
     record of 1-0-1 would still put them fourth with 1.25 GB

  *2 Tie with Colorado worth .5 win, .5 loss
     Tie with Auburn worth    0 win, .5 loss
      
  All other teams were more than 2 games behind.

    Heres how I rate'em going into the bowls;
    
    1. Texas
    2. Geo Tech
    3. N.D.
    4. Miami
    5. Colorado
    6. Washington
    7. Penn St.
    8. Florida St.
    9. Tennessee
   10. Louisville
    
    I am an Irish fan and I think they'll bury the Buffs again,but I
    do not think anyone can rate them any lower than 3rd,considering
    they played THE toughest schedule in the country...these top 20
    teams Mich,Mich ST,Miami,Penn ST,Tennessee,USC,along with a bowl
    team the Air Force..thats enough said..If the Irish blowout the
    Buffs on Jan 1 they will definitely win the mythical National
    Title.
    
    
    Tom

	 1. Colorado		
	 2. Georgia Tech	
	 3. Texas	  
    	 4. Florida State	 
    	 5. Penn State		
	 6. Notre Dame		
    	 7. Miami		   
	 8. Tennessee		 
    	 9. Houston		 
    	10. Washington		 
    

    Reply to .253
    
    Air Force is not a top 20 team.  The only reason they are a bowl
    team is the tie the liberty bowl has to the Armed services academy.
    Air Force happened to beat army and navy.  Notre Dame has lost to
    both Stanford and Penn State.  Only one of those teams is a top
    twenty team.  I really believe that this is the year for the Buffs.
    I think they will dominate the Irish on New Years day.
    
    Frank Mendez
    

    re -1.  He didn't say Air Force was a top 20 team.  He said Air
    Force was a bowl team.  Which they are.  
    
    JD

    
>    I am an Irish fan and I think they'll bury the Buffs again

    WHOA!!!  Hold on a minute here.  Bury the Buffs again?!?  You must
    be referring to the home-and-home series these 2 teams played in '82
    and '83 and not last year's Orange Bowl.  To revive your memory, CU
    moved up and down the field on ND in the first half of last year's
    Orange Bowl.  Bieniemy's fumble and the TD he scored that the refs
    claim wasn't a TD, plus CU's inability to convert twice inside the
    Irish 5-yard line are the only reasons CU wasn't up 17-zip or even
    21-zip at the half.  Now the bottom line is ND won the game, but my
    point here is that by no means did they 'bury the Buffs.'  The final
    score was only a 15-point difference, and ND's last TD came in the
    closing minutes.   
    
>   ..If the Irish blowout the
>    Buffs on Jan 1 they will definitely win the mythical National
>    Title.
    
    Wrong.  If ND and Georgia Tech both win, the pollsters can't honestly
    deny the Jackets the mythical with their undefeated season and current
    ranking of #2.  If ND and Texas win and GT loses, the pollsters can't
    honestly deny the Horns the title.  But if ND wins and GT and Texas
    loses, I think the pollsters will give the title to their darlings. 
    The only exception here might be if Miami wins very big over Texas and
    ND barely wins, the Canes might get it.  With this being the case, I
    must resort to rooting against the Canes on New Year's Day just in case the
    Buffs don't come thru in the Orange Bowl.  Can you guys imagine what a
    travesty it would be if a team wins the mythical even though they lost
    a game on their home field in the middle of November?   ND shouldn't
    even have a prayer of winning the mythical right now, and I admit that
    Miami shouldn't either.  
    
    Joe
    
    
    Tom

    Joe,
    
    Does anyone ever lose to the Irish, or is it always the refs fault?
     Now it's the refs faults for them beating CU last year.  It used
    to be the whining about the Miami game.  Sheesh.
    
    I do agree on one thing, ND nor Miami deserve the title this year,
    no matter what happens on Jan. 1.  If CU falters then G.T. or Texas
    should get it.  
    
    I'm sure that if CU and Texas lose, and G.T. wins the Mythical,
    that the whinig from both Miami and South Bend will be unbearable.
    Big difference will be I'll hear it from both cities, you'll hear
    it only from South Bend.
    
    JD

    The skeery thing about this year is that Georgia Tech is positioned
    to win a 100% undeserved Mythical.  
    
    Who dey played?  They barely beat a_unranked Virginia team which
    ain't exackally a_inspiration, they managed to beat a Clemson team
    which ain't too hot and oh-by-the-way nobody knows how good they
    are either cuz they only played one lousy ranked team themselves
    (Tech).  
    
    After that, zip.
    
    This is a way to choose a Champion?  I would submit that there should
    be a rule instituted whereby the Mythical should only be allowed to
    go to a squad that played a minimum of 3 ranked teams during the 
    regular season.  
    
    MrT