Conference 7.286::sports_90

    Over the first two games it seemed like the defenses had finally
    gotten Okoye's number.  But then again, those were two pretty good
    Ds.  I think that DeBerg is a real asset to the Chiefs.  Too bad 
    he's not at the helm for the Vikes.
    
    MrT

    
    How many years has Steve DeBerg been in the NFL?  It seem like 
    almost a lifetime...
    
    And the teams?  Seems like at least 5.  This just from memory 
    and I may be wrong, but I remember (i think..) --San Francisco,
    Denver, Green Bay, Tampa Bay, and Kansas City...
    
    Does anyone have the facts?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Peace/ed

Yeah T, Marty was so smart that he still called running play after running
play when Denver was lining up 9 men on the line of scrimmage real smart.
I'll give you he's on the ball at evaluating talent and preparing it but
he stinks once they blow the whistle. 

mike

    Uh... when did MrT say/imply that Marty was smart?  Reread the basenote.
    
         I believe DeBerg has played for 4 teams in his 14 year career.  
    In each instance, he was bumped by that team's "quarterback of the future".
    He came up with San Francisco and was the starter for a while.  The
    49ers came up with some kid named Montana and DeBerg rode the pine
    before heading off to Denver.  
    
         When some wayward baseball player thumbed his nose at the Colts  
    and arrived at Mile High, DeBerg took his regular seat on the sidelines.  
    He later had a cup of coffee in Tampa before the "Hello Vinny" show
    rolled into town.
    
         DeBerg wound up in KC where there ain't no QBotF.  I'd take
    Montana or Elway but DeBerg's really no slouch.  Nice ball-handling
    skills and pretty accurate on play action passes.  Since he has played
    comparatively few downs, he hasn't taken the beatings some other
    veteran QBs have and he's relatively healthy.  Occasionally, he can
    reach back and come up with the heater.  Vinny, IMO, is a stiff.  
    
         DeBerg is the second oldest QB in the NFL, just behind Grogan.

My mistake I thought was I thought he was refering to Marty being at the
helm of the vikes, if he means Deberg then the same still goes why the
hell didn't Deberg audibalize in that game with 9 men on the line...

    Mike, based on what I saw, you caint blam DeBerg.
    
    KC backs in general, and Okoye in particular, are absolutely awful at
    picking up a blitz. One play in particular stands out.
    
    DeBerg gets the snap, and a Denver LB just blows through the C-G gap
    and hammers DeBerg before he can take two steps.
    
    Okoye ?
    
    He was supposed to pick up the blocker, he didn't. He didn't step up
    into the gap at all, and DeBerg got plastered. (That hit made MY ribs
    hurt.)
    
    Hell, I'd hand off too ....

    Anyone know in which round and year was Okoye drafted by the Chiefs?

 Sure I can Doc, it's easy. Denver had 9 men on the line of scrimmage
 defensively and none of them were head to head on the WR. Why Deberg
 couldn't take a three step drop and hit one of the guys on a slant
 is beyond me. The WR would have only had to beat one guy maybe two
 to go all the way. I only saw the first half so maybe KC adjusted
 but I mean Denver kept throwing that defensive scheme at them it 
 should have taken them all of one series to realize what the hell
 to do about it...

 mike    

    re: .2, .4
    
         I read last night that DeBerg has played for 5 NFL teams, not 4 as
    previously stated.  He was drafted by the Cowboys and cut before his
    sonjourns to San Fran, Denver, Tampa and KC.

    
    
    Does anyone know where DeBerg played his college ball?
    
    Peace/ed

   San Jose State.

Chuck

    After last Monday night's performance, DeBerg had more completions
    than Len Dawson and more attempts than both Craig Morton and Kenny 
    Stabler (2160/3808 or 57%).  His TD/INT ratio (143/171) is less than 
    admirable, however.
     
    So far this year, he's 51 of 94 (54%) for 718 yards with 4 TDs and 0 INTs.

    Dastickial Alert !!!!!!
    
    And Danny White was a better QB than YA Tittle too (based on the
    ratings system) ...

    Chiefs win, 34-0 over Browns.  (Oh, Hal... really.)

    RE: .14
    
         You're barking up the wrong tree.  It says "more" - not better.

>
>    Dastickial Alert !!!!!!
>    
>    And Danny White was a better QB than YA Tittle too (based on the
>    ratings system) ...


This is just a generic reply, but I think these statistical things
don't take into account how the game has changed over the years...

JMHO,
'Saw

    No they haven't Saw ... I remember talking to Hendry about that, and he
    thinks that a modified ratings system might be implemented. What's the
    scoop on that John ?
    
    (My Idea : Rate the passers against the league norm for that year .. in
    that way the cream will still rise to the top ...)

    No news on a modified rating system.  Pete Palmer proposed it in a
    book, I can't remember the details and I don't think anything is
    happening about it.
    
    John

   My neighbor contends that the `Great'  QB's of the past... ie. fifties,
   forties, etc. -  would not even be able to make the ball club of a
   modern day football team, let alone start and be a star.

   Mike JN

    Mike, do you live next door to an asylum of some sort?  :*)
    
    Lee

    	I bet that Sammy Baugh would fail the substance abuse tests
    they give out regularly.  8^)
    
    				/Don

    How is Rob Thomas as a Receiver, Does anyone where he played his
    college ball?  How active is he in the chiefs offense?
    
    -dg

    Here's the scoring for Thomas broken down week-by-week.
    
PLAYER      POS/TM  WK1 WK2 WK3 WK4 WK5 WK6 WK7 WK8 WK9 W10 W11 W12 W13 W14
------      ------  --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
R Thomas     WR/KC  06� 00� 00� 06� 06� 00� 00� DNP
    
         I believe he has more TD receptions than any other KC receiver at
    this point and is probably among the team leaders in receptions (I can
    verify this tomorrow if it's that important to you).  FWIW, he did have a
    TD negated during Week 5 due to a holding penalty called on the KC 
    offensive line.  He's probably KC's best (only?) deep threat and, from
    what I've seen and heard, has pretty good hands.  He has caught at least 
    one pass in every KC game except Week 6. 
    

    I believe Thomas spells his given name "Robb".

Son of former NY Giant WR Aaron Thomas....

    Mr Way is dating himself.  ;-)

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�    Mr Way is dating himself.  ;-)

Probably because that's the only person who would go out with him.  8^)

    ?don,
    
    I heard they were just good friends...
    
    JD
    

Well, it wasn't as if my left hand didn't know what my right hand
was doing, ya know.

8^)

>Well, it wasn't as if my left hand didn't know what my right hand
>was doing, ya know.
    
    I heard that once your hands realized that, they had to find a
    compromise, so they met at some middle ground.
    

    Nexted thing ya know, 'saw will tell us her name is Rosie!!!
    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    re .27
    
    Brutal Slasher .... utterly ruthless my man ....and I'm rollwaard !:-)

    Thomas has 14 receptions.

    With the recent success of the Chiefs, I'm surprised there isent more
    activity in this note.

    Anyway, I grew up in Omaha, Nebraska. KC was the closest pro-football
    team to Omaha so I grew up during the Len Dawson era and have always
    been a Chiefs fan.

    I watched the Chiefs/Donko's game on TV last Sunday and I must say that
    the town of KC is responding big-time to the division leading Chiefs.

    It was fun to watch the crowd get into it. It reminded me of past glory
    days of 20 years ago.

    Go Chiefs !!! (I need a backup to root for since my Huskers are on the
    down side)

    Nebraska Marty

    Hi, Nebraska Marty, 
    Maybe you can pump some life into this dead note. 
    The Chiefs are looking tough this year, but so's my Raiders, you
    better enjoy the Chiefs being on top, 'cause it's only gonna last 
    'til this weekend. :-)  KC is going down hard against the Oilers,
    whilest the Raiders tame the Bengals.
    
    His sovereign-ty-ness,
    Carlos

    Let's not forget that even if by some miracle the Faiders win their
    last 3 games, they still need help to win the division.  The Chiefs do
    have to play Houston this week, but the Oilers have proven to be less
    than spectacular when they get outside the dome.  The Faiders probably
    won't get by Cincy this week, but they will definitely be put in their
    place by Minnesota next week.
    
    Bottom line: KC will be the 1990 AFC West Champions.
    
    Joe

    >The Chiefs do have to play Houston this week, but the Oilers have
    >proven to be less than spectacular when they get outside the dome.
    
    Of their remainding three games, the Oilers might end up being the
    easiest of the three, with the Chiefs having to go  on the road 
    against the Chargers (never easy games between interdivisional 
    rivalries, especially on the road), and the Bears at Soldier field. 
    
    On the other hand, the Raiders play two of their last three at home,
    starting next week against a Boomer-less Bengal team, then on the
    road against the Vikes (we'll see how tough they really are), and
    back home against the Chargers (again, never easy between
    interdivisional rivalries). 
    
    Yup, KC will be playing the Raiders again this year in LA, but this
    time the Raiders won't lose! 
    
    Carlos