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| 135.1 | Not much this year | VCSESU::LANE | You better be good for goodness sake | Mon Jan 29 1990 11:14 | 6 |
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Didn't CBS buy the rights to this years tourny? Don't expect to see
alot of games this year. There is no way they will give it � the
coverage that ESPN gave it.
Dana
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| 135.2 | I'll be there.... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Bradshaw knows Elway | Mon Jan 29 1990 12:26 | 14 |
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Greg,
The first and second rounds this year are at Hartford 3/15 and
3/17 (thursday and saturday). Tickets cost $52 a piece which breaks
down to 8.50 a game not too bad. Best way to get tickets is to talk
to an Alumni or a student of UCONN as they will handle the tickets
for the event.
As for all the sites and happening I believe I published them in the
college hoop note somewhere. Perhaps some technowennie can pull them
up and place them here??
mike
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| 135.3 | USA Today's Unofficial Guest List for NCAA Tournament | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Thu Feb 22 1990 14:03 | 46 |
| Path: shlump.nac.dec.com!decwrl!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!milano!jelly!richter
From: [email protected] (Charlie Richter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball
Subject: tournament selections (college)
Keywords: USA Today's list
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 22 Feb 90 15:33:09 GMT
Organization: MCC, Austin, TX
Lines: 36
Today, USA Today listed its "unofficial guest list" for the NCAA
tournament. The list:
Locks (26): Michigan, Duke, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Georgetown,
Connecticut, Syracuse, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Purdue,
Michigan State, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, UNLV, Louisville,
LaSalle, Xavier, Oregon State, Arizona, LSU, Arkansas,
Loyola-Marymount, New Mexico State, St. John's
Almost there (15): SW Missouri St., N. Carolina, Kansas State,
Oklahoma State, California, UCLA, Georgia, Texas, Houston
Alabama, UAB, BYU, Hawaii, UTEP, and Colorado State
[about the WAC, USA Today thinks two will go; also, USA Today
thinks one of Kansas State and Oklahoma State will go]
On the bubble (9): E. Tenn. St., Notre Dame, New Orleans, La. Tech,
Virginia, Temple, Providence, Ohio State, Memphis State
Longshots (16): Maryland, St. Louis, Villanova, UCSB, Cincinnati,
Holy Cross, Creighton, Southern Illinois, Stanford, Tennessee,
Pepperdine, DePaul, Idaho, Ball State, James Madison, Long
Beach State
[obviously, conference winners in this group will go]
Getting a bid (9): East Coast, Ivy, Mid-American, Mid-Eastern,
North Atlantic, Northeast, Southland, SWAC, Ohio Valley
USA Today includes one or two sentences about each of the above
teams. It also includes three writers' picks for the top sixteen
seeds (by regional), and a list of each top 25 team's record against
other top 25 teams -- a good issue if you're interested in this sort
of thing.
--
Charlie Richter MCC Austin, Texas
uucp: [email protected] arpa: [email protected]
"The panic ... was not due to anything fundamentally weak in either business
or finance. It was confined to the market itself." - WSJ, Oct. 31, 1929
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| 135.4 | LETS GO HOYAS | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | | Fri Feb 23 1990 14:01 | 3 |
| JUST SEND THE WHOLE BIG EAST THEY DESERVE IT
Except for B.C. of course
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| 135.5 | What's going on, anyway? | CSOA1::SIMPSON_T | | Sat Feb 24 1990 10:04 | 22 |
| Being an Indiana fan, I'm watching things closely to see what
the Hoosiers NCAA chances are (I figure they're "on the bubble",
even though USA has them listed as a lock at this point). Imagine
my surprise this week when I looked at Sagarin's ratings in USA
Today and found them rated 17th, then looked at something called
the DUNKEL Index in the local paper and found them rated 13th!
This is a 16-7 team that has been getting destroyed, or at least
consistently beaten, EVERY time they play a good team.
Can someone give me an idea of how the basketball power ratings
are figured? Are victory margins used, or just wins and losses? Is
any adjustment made for teams that consistently beat average teams,
but "never" beat good teams?
On a related issue, in terms of NCAA bids, how heavily does the
selection committee weigh conference records? If Indiana finishes
8-10 in the Big Ten and, say, 25th in the power ratings, are they
likely to go or likely to stay home?
Enquiring minds (at least this one) want to know.
tom
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| 135.6 | Tourney on TV | 29017::J_COTANCH | Hurricanes: 1989 National Champs | Tue Feb 27 1990 13:46 | 15 |
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The whole list of sites and dates is in note 108.2.
CBS doesn't have the rights until next year's tourney. ESPN has
live first round games from 10:00am until 9:30 pm (mountain time)
on March 15th and 16th. CBS has one live first round game on each
of those days after the late night news. After the first round,
it all belongs to CBS, and next year the whole thing goes to CBS
with ESPN out of the picture. It's kind of a shame that ESPN
is being shut out of the tourney, because CBS probably won't have
quite as extensive first round coverage as ESPN does. ESPN also
is carrying many first round games on tape-delay this year.
Joe
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| 135.7 | NC State girls best in the land | 6984::CHILDS | low altitude earth orbit, me? ha-ha | Wed Feb 28 1990 06:43 | 15 |
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ESPN will cover 19 first round games with 11 scheduled live and fed
around the country geographically I believe.
As I recall CBS agreed in their contract with the NCAA to cover first
round games in simular fashion next year. It was one of the
stipulations that the NCAA required. Of course if the bigwigs at CBS
feel they can't do without their soaps they may be able to $$$$$ bribe
their way out of it.
Best solution: GO see the first round games live in your area if you
can. Why? cause you also get to see the cheerleaders up close and
personal.... ;^)
mike
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| 135.8 | Big East is Overrated | MAIL::HERSHBERGER | | Thu Mar 01 1990 13:44 | 7 |
| March madness could be repeat of the 1988 BIG-8 show with teams like
Oklahoma, Kansas, and Missouri dominating the tournament again. Just
watch the next Top-5 NCAA basketball rankings. The BIG-8 will have
three of the top five spots. This ranking is especially impressive
since BIG-8 teams have a smaller supporting population base (votes)
than other conferences (like the Big East or ACC) and are often
underrated by AP/UP basketball polls.
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| 135.9 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | low altitude earth orbit, me? ha-ha | Thu Mar 01 1990 14:13 | 15 |
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and it could be a repeat of all the other years when Oklahoma and
Missouri were highly ranked and took the gas pipe come the NCAA's.
KU usually does ok when it makes the NCAA's but after that. What
will they do when a good defensive team slows the game down to a
crawl. Missouri and KU might get by by OU will be in trouble especially
if they're cold....
we'll see, they very well could do it but it's not becasue they're
light years better than anyone else. Seems to be a lot of parity
across the country. Even a small school team like LaSalle could
get hot and win it all.......
mike
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| 135.10 | :-) | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Bart,your alive,and buck naked too! | Thu Mar 01 1990 15:19 | 6 |
| re NC State cheerleaders.
I heard they shave better than anyone 8^)
Raider_Rich
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| 135.11 | Past tournament winners | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Sun Mar 11 1990 22:57 | 58 |
| National Collegiate Athletic Association basketball champions, listed with
year, won-lost record, and team it defeated in the championship game:
1939: Oregon (29-5) 46, Ohio State 34
1940: Indiana (21-3) 60, Kansas 42
1941: Wisconsin (20-3) 39, Washington State 34
1942: Stanford (27-4) 53, Dartmouth 38
1943: Wyoming (31-2) 46, Georgetown 34
1944: Utah (22-4) 42, Dartmouth 40
1945: Oklahoma State (27-4) 49, NYU 45
1946: Oklahoma State (31-2) 43, North Carolina 40
1947: Holy Cross (27-3) 58, Oklahoma 47
1948: Kentucky (36-3) 58, Baylor 42
1949: Kentucky (32-2) 46, Oklahoma State 36
1950: CCNY (24-5) 71, Bradley 68
1951: Kentucky (32-2) 68, Kansas State 58
1952: Kansas (26-2) 80, St. Johns 63
1953: Indiana (23-3) 69, Kansas 68
1954: LaSalle (26-4) 92, Bradley 76
1955: San Francisco (28-1) 77, LaSalle 63
1956: San Francisco (29-0) 83, Iowa 71
1957: North Carolina (32-0) 54, Kansas 53
1958: Kentucky (23-6) 84, Seattle 72
1959: California (25-4) 71, West Virginia 70
1960: Ohio State (25-3) 75, California 55
1961: Cincinnati (27-3) 70, Ohio State 65
1962: Cincinnati (29-2) 71, Ohio State 59
1963: Loyola (Ill.) (29-2) 60, Cincinnati 58
1964: UCLA (30-0) 98, Duke 83
1965: UCLA (28-2) 91, Michigan 80
1966: Texas Western (28-1) 72, Kentucky 65
1967: UCLA (30-0) 79, Dayton 64
1968: UCLA (29-1) 78, North Carolina 55
1969: UCLA (29-1) 92, Purdue 72
1970: UCLA (28-1) 80, Jacksonville 69
1971: UCLA (29-1) 68, Villanova 62*
1972: UCLA (30-0) 81, Florida State 76
1973: UCLA (30-0) 87, Memphis State 66
1974: N.C. State (30-1) 76, Marquette 64
1975: UCLA (28-3) 92, Kentucky 85
1976: Indiana (32-0) 86, Michigan 68
1977: Marquette (25-7) 67, North Carolina 59
1978: Kentucky (30-2) 94, Duke 88
1979: Michigan State (26-6) 75, Indiana State 64
1980: Louisville (33-3) 59, UCLA 54*
1981: Indiana (26-9) 63, North Carolina 50
1982: North Carolina (32-2) 63, Georgetown 62
1983: North Carolina State (26-10) 54, Houston 52
1984: Georgetown (34-3) 84, Houston 75
1985: Villanova (25-10) 66, Georgetown 64
1986: Louisville (32-7) 72, Duke 69
1987: Indiana (30-4) 74, Syracuse 73
1988: Kansas (27-11) 83, Oklahoma 79
1989: Michigan (30-7) 80, Seton Hall 79 (OT)
* Student athletes representing Villanova (1971) and UCLA (1980) were
declared ineligible subsequent to the tournament, and all records were offi-
cially deleted.
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| 135.12 | The pairings... | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye." | Sun Mar 11 1990 23:02 | 164 |
| EAST REGIONAL
First round
At The Hartford Civic Center, Hartford, Conn.
Thursday, March 15
1-Connecticut (28-5) vs. 16-Boston University (18-11)
8-Indiana (18-10) vs. 9-California (21-9)
5-Clemson (14-8) vs. 12-Brigham Young (21-8)
4-La Salle (29-1) vs. 13-Southern Mississippi (20-11)
At The Omni, Atlanta, Ga.
Friday, March 16
6-St. John's (23-9) vs. 11-Temple (20-10)
3-Duke (24-8) vs. 14-Richmond (22-9)
7-UCLA (20-10) vs. 10-Alabama-Birmingham (22-8)
2-Kansas (29-4) vs. 15-Robert Morris (22-7)
Second round
At The Hartford Civic Center, Hartford, Conn.
Saturday, March 17
Connecticut-Boston University winner vs. Indiana-California winner
Clemson-Brigham Young winner vs. La Salle-Southern Mississippi winner
At The Omni, Atlanta, Ga.
Sunday, March 18
St. John's-Temple winner vs. Duke-Richmond winner
UCLA-Alabama-Birmingham winner vs. Kansas-Robert Morris winner
Semifinals
At The Meadowlands, East Rutherford, N.J.
Thursday, March 22
Connecticut-Boston University-Indiana-California winner vs.
Clemson-Brigham Young-La Salle-Southern Mississippi winner
St. John's-Temple-Duke-Richmond winner vs.
UCLA-Alabama Birmingham-Kansas-Robert Morris winner
Championship
At The Meadowlands, East Rutherford, N.J.
Saturday, March 24
Semifinal winners
MIDWEST REGIONAL
First round
At Frank Erwin Center, Austin, Texas
Thursday, March 15
1-Oklahoma (26-4) vs. 16-Towson State (18-12)
8-North Carolina (19-12) vs. 9-Southwest Missouri State (22-6)
5-Illinois (21-7) vs. 12-Dayton (21-9)
4-Arkansas (26-4) vs. 13-Princeton (20-6)
At The Hoosier Dome, Indianapolis, Indiana
Friday, March 16
6-Xavier (26-4) vs. 11-Kansas State (17-14)
3-Georgetown (23-6) vs. 14-Southern (25-4) Texas Southern (18-11)
7-Georgia (20-8) vs. 10-Texas (21-8)
2-Purdue (21-7) vs. 15-Northeast Louisiana (22-7)
Second round
At Frank Erwin Center, Austin, Texas
Saturday, March 17
Oklahoma-Towson St. winner vs. North Carolina-Southwest Missouri St. winner
Illinois-Dayton winner vs. Arkansas-Princeton winner
At The Hoosier Dome, Indianapolis, Indiana
Sunday, March 18
Xavier-Kansas State winner vs. Georgetown-Southern-Texas Southern winner
Georgia-Texas winner vs. Purdue-Northeast Louisiana winner
Semifinals
At Reunion Arena, Dallas, Tex.
Thursday, March 22
Oklahoma-Towson State-North Carolina-Southwest Missour State winner vs.
Illinois-Dayton-Arkansas-Princeton winner
Xavier-Kansas State-Georgetown-Southern University-Texas Southern winner vs.
Georgia-Texas-Purdue-Northeast Louisiana winner
Championship
At Reunion Arena, Dallas, Tex.
Saturday, March 24
Semifinal winners
SOUTHEAST REGIONAL
First round
At University of Tennessee Arena, Knoxville, Tenn.
Thursday, March 15
1-Michigan State (26-5) vs. 16-Murray State (21-8)
8-Houston (24-7) vs. 9-UC Santa Barbara (20-8)
5-Louisiana State (22-8) vs. 12-Villanova (18-14)
4-Georgia Tech (24-6) vs. 13-East Tennessee State (27-6)
At Richmond Coliseum, Richmond, Va.
Friday, March 16
6-Minnesota (21-8) vs. 11-Texas-El Paso (21-10)
3-Missouri (26-5) vs.14-Northern Iowa (22-8)
7-Virginia (19-11) vs. 10-Notre Dame (16-12)
2-Syracuse (24-6) vs. 15-Coppin State (26-6)
Second round
At University of Tennessee Arena, Knoxville, Tenn.
Saturday, March 17
Michigan State-Murray State winner vs. Houston-UC Santa Barbara winner
Louisiana State-Villanova winner vs. Georgia Tech-East Tenn. State winner
At Richmond Coliseum, Richmond, Va.
Sunday, March 18
Minnesota-Texas-El Paso winner vs. Missouri-Northern Iowa winner
Virginia-Notre Dame winner vs. Syracuse-Coppin State winner
Semifinals
At The Superdome, New Orleans, La.
Friday, March 23
Michigan State-Murray State-Houston-UC Santa Barbara winner vs.
Louisiana State-Villanova-Georgia Tech-East Tennessee State winner
Minnesota-Texas-El Paso-Missouri-Northern Iowa winner vs.
Virginia-Notre Dame-Syracuse-Coppin State winner
Championship
At The Superdome, New Orleans, La.
Sunday, March 25
Semifinal winners
WEST REGIONAL
First round
At The Special Events Center, Salt Lake City, Utah
Thursday, March 15
1-Nevada-Las Vegas (26-5) vs. 16-Arkansas Little Rock (20-9)
8-Ohio State (16-12) vs. 9-Providence (17-11)
5-Oregon State (22-6) vs. 12-Ball State (24-6)
4-Louisville (26-7) vs. 13-Idaho (25-5)
At Long Beach Arena, Long Beach, Calif.
Friday, March 16
6-New Mexico State (26-4) vs. 11-Loyola Marymount (23-5)
3-Michigan (22-7) vs. 14-Illinois State (18-12)
7-Alabama (24-8) vs. 10-Colorado State (21-8)
2-Arizona (24-6) vs. 15-South Florida (20-10)
Second round
At The Special Events Center, Salt Lake City, Utah
Saturday, March 17
UNLV-Arkansas-Little Rock winner vs. Ohio State-Providence winner
Oregon State-Ball State winner vs. Louisville-Idaho winner
At Long Beach Arena, Long Beach, Calif.
Sunday, March 18
New Mexico St.-Loyola Marymount winner vs. Michigan-Illinois State winner
Alabama-Colorado State winner vs. Arizona-South Florida winner
Semifinals
At Alameda County Coliseum, Oakland, Calif.
Friday, March 23
Nevada-Las Vegas-Arkansas-Little Rock-Ohio State-Providence winner vs.
Oregon State-Ball State-Louisville-Idaho winner
New Mexico State-Loyola Marymount-Michigan-Illinois State winner vs.
Alabama-Colorado State-Arizona-South Florida winner
Championship
At Alameda County Coliseum, Oakland, Calif.
Sunday, March 25
Semifinal winners
THE FINAL FOUR
At McNichols Arena, Denver, Colo.
Saturday, March 31
East champion vs. Midwest champion
Southeast champion vs. West champion
CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
At McNichols Arena, Denver, Colo.
Monday, April 2
Semifinal winners
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| 135.13 | NCAA Home courts again | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Mar 12 1990 00:03 | 52 |
| A few comments on the "home court" teams, Connecticut at Hartford and
Purdue at the Hoosier Dome in Indianapolis.
Both these teams will be playing within 1 hour of their campus.
Sure, UConn earned it, and they deserve a top seed. But to play at
home virtually, it's unfair for all those same old reasons. They may
have to play IU (if IU can get past California) in the second game and
that should be interesting, since IU won their last championship after
two games virtually at home, now they are put at the opponent's virtual
home floor.
As for Purdue, the case is quite interesting. I fully expected Purdue
to be shipped out somewhere else. They did not even win the Big Ten!
I think this is unfair for the other teams, but at least I won't be
complaining too much for this as a Boiler fan :) I guess the reason
for the NCAA to reward a conference runner-up with this privilege is
probably to appease Gene Keady and all his complaints about putting
Purdue up a home team three times earlier in this decade. Now, this
act is to shut Keady's mouth up. You got your chance, make good use of
it and no more complaints, that's the message. But Georgetown is
there, and the Purdue team has been overachieving so much this season,
I just hope they can get out of Indy alive.
One interesting note is: does anyone remember Purdue even playing at
the Hoosier Dome? Despite being almost equi-distant from Indy for both
Purdue and IU, IU plays at the Dome every year in the Big (so sure)
Four Tourney and also the first round games in the year they won the
NCAA. But I do not recall Purdue's hoop team ever playing there. The
football team played there at the Dome's inaugural game in a win over
Notre Dame, but that's it, if I am correct. So how seriously is this
"home court" advantage? The Dome is *huge* and the view to the basket
is so different, I hope the Boilers can adjust. But then, after all, I
do not know if IU played there either before their last NCAA
championship team passed there on their way to winning it all, so I
guess we can't complain. Again, the NCAA's message to Purdue is, IU
was rewarded the same thing and they won it all, now don't say you
don't have your share of chances....of course, this year's Purdue team
is probably hardly deserving of a #2 seed. I hope this home court
could have come two years ago :)
But I am feeling quite sorry for MSU. They won the Big Ten fair and
square, and they are the best team in the Big Ten. They got a #1 seed,
but they are shipped off the the Southwest to Tennessee, and Oklahoma
is moved from the Southwest to be the top seed in the Midwest. What's
the point? The only reason I can see is to allow Purdue to stay in
Indy but not having the top two Big Ten teams put in the same region.
Sorry MSU. Guess your fans would have preferred Indy than Tennessee.
Go Boilers anyway!
Charles
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| 135.14 | UNLV-Oklahoma championship game. | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Mon Mar 12 1990 00:26 | 59 |
| Are we going to have any contests in picking the tournament?
Some thoughts: Clemson and Georgia Tech really seem to have gotten the
shaft. How can Duke get seed higher than Clemson which won the regulatr
season championship? And how does Georgia Tech get only a #4 after
winning the ACC tourney? There are so many teams I know next to nothing
about. Some of them are really good and are going to knock down some
of the better known teams. How could they pick ND over DePaul?
Notre Dame should not have been given that much credit for beating a
falling apart Missouri team. The NCAA also felt guilty about the
Big 8 not having a fourth team,so they picked Kansas State. KSU has
been known to pull an upset or two.
IMHO there should be a limit of 4 teams per conference. I know all the
balderdash about best 64 teams,but why have teams that are 6th and
seventh place?
The first round is tedious with too many also-ran matchups. Why not do
it this way. Regular season and tournament champs get it in automatically
in every league. I'd rather see more unknown teams that have had great
seasons than the same retreaded Providence,Indiana,Ohio State and North
Carolina teams which have just not been deserving this year.
Here are some of the teams that should benefit by playing in very
friendly familiar surroundings mixed in with some thoughts.
East: UCONN - Hartford ,their "real" home court. If Duke gets out of
Atlanta,they fell very confident at the Meadowlands,having won three
Eastern Regionals there. Is La Salle rated too high? I don't think so.
I hope they can go far,so the whole nation can see Lionel Simmons.
UCONN should have an easy time getting to New Jersey.
Sweet 16 picks: UCONN,La Salle,duke and Kansas -no upsets here
Midwest: Arkansas should feel very comfortable with their legion of
fans at UT and they will need it to get by Princeton and Illinois.
Purdue will have a huge advantage playing at the Hoosierdome.
If the seeds make it to Dallas,what a contrast of games.
Oklahoma-Arkansas 200+ points,Purdue-Georgetown in the 60's.
Sweet 16 picks: Oklahoma,Arkansas,Georgetown,Purdue(Again the
seeds look too strong)
Southeast: The bracket with Georgia TEch and LSU is brutal. Michigan
State better respect Houston. Virginia shoule enjoy a huge advantage
playing in Richmond against the undeserving Irish,who will not get to
play on St. Patty's day. Could that propel them to an upset of
Syracuse? LSU has tremendous incentive to get to the regionals at the
Superdome.
Sweet 16 picks: Houston,Georgia Tech,Virginia,Minnesota
(This is where all the upsets will occur)
West: UNLV should feel right at home in Salt Lake City.Arizona may
get ambushed by Alabama. It looks like UNLV's to lose.
Sweet 16 picks: UNLV,Ball State,Michigan,Alabama (More
upsets,UNLV-Michigan could be a classic if it happens.
Final 4: Kansas,Oklahoma Georgia Tech,UNLV
UNLV-Oklahoma for all the marbles with Oklahoma redeeming themselves.
No doubt my sentimental favorite is UCONN. Go huskies!
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| 135.15 | | CSOA1::SIMPSON_T | | Mon Mar 12 1990 08:41 | 9 |
| re: "home" sites
P. J. Carlesimo (sp) was on ESPN last night. He said he didn't
think the home crowd will make that much of a difference for
Purdue (or LSU if they get to the Superdome), but he thought that
Connecticutt would have a big advantage playing in Hartford, since
they play there so often.
tom
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| 135.16 | Questions and comments | COEM::SCOPA | MAJOR | Mon Mar 12 1990 08:44 | 33 |
| So who is Georgetown playing in the first round?
Interesting how The Big Ten got 7 teams in the tourney...the selection
commitee was chaired by the Commissioner of the Big Ten.
Most intersting Regional is the Southeast Regional. Why? Well you could
see such aecond round games as LSU-Georgia Tech and Virginia/Notre Dame
vs Syracuse. Also, UTEP could surprise a lot of people.
Most boring regional is the West. The only interesting matchup could be
Michigan-UNLV.
Most comfortable seed is Oklahoma as #1 in the Midwest Regional. They
may have a little difficulty getting past Illinois and Georgetown but
it really looks like a semi-easy road for the Sooners.
Best first round games look to be:
Minnesota-Utep (SW) VIrginia-Notre Dame (SW) Ohio St-Providence (W)
Louisville-Idaho (W) NM St-Marymount (W) Alabama-Colo. St. (W)
St. Johns-Temple (E)
Best bets to get to Denver: Mich. St. Syracuse UNLV Michigan Oklahoma
Kansas and UCONN. They are all either #1 or #2 and have easy roads.
Darkhorses: From the SE - Georgia Tech is playing great BB.
From the W - Louisville could surprise.
From the E - La Salle could do it with the L Train.
From the MW - Illinois may be taken too lightly.
I'm ready.
Maj
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| 135.17 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | Vigilantes for a brighter future | Mon Mar 12 1990 08:57 | 12 |
| I've been trying to find the stats for Home and Away Wins/Losses for
the 64 Tourney teams. So far no luck. You'd think that would be something of
interest to anyone who follows College Hoops, but I've checked three papers,
and all have the brackets and a little synopsis of each team, but no home/away
stats.
Anybody got `em?
Willing to post `em?
(I'll give ya a million dollars... probly)
Mike JN
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| 135.18 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | Vigilantes for a brighter future | Mon Mar 12 1990 09:05 | 8 |
| Maj,
� So who is Georgetown playing in the first round?
They play Texas Southern Tigers, a 14 seed with a 19-11 record. TS upset
Southern for the SW Conference title(Southern had a 25-4 record and now are
heading for the NIT).
Mike JN
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| 135.19 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Mar 12 1990 09:29 | 15 |
| I think P.J. is correct in that the home advantage is much more for
Connecticut than for Purdue. As I said I don't even think Purdue ever
played in the Dome.
Jim Delaney said that as the chairman of the selection committee he
only voted once to break a 4-4 tie. So the Big Ten has 7 teams in
there, maybe it was influenced by his position, maybe not....no, I
don't think it makes a difference. OSU and IU deserve to be there.
How can you deny OSU which beat Minnesota in their last game or IU
which beat OSU also in the last week of play? Unless you keep both of
them home...
Go Ga. Southern!
Charles
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| 135.20 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Bullwinkle stops Iditatrod, film at 11 | Mon Mar 12 1990 09:37 | 20 |
| No matter what their records, 6 or 7 teams each from the Big10,
the Big East and the ACC will always make the conference (barring
probations, etc). It's a way of life. Every year I get sickened
when I see the 64 team field - mainly due to the fack that the big
conferences automatically get between 65 and 70% of their teams
entered.
I'd rather see more smaller schools in the tourney, instead of
basically seeing the same sweet 16 year in, year out. To me, the
virtual snubbing of smaller conferences is one of the greatest ills
of the NCAA.
Or, the NCAA should just drop the charade of being an organization
that caters to *ALL* the schools, and simply have the NCAA tourney
consist of all the schools from the largest conferences, plus a
few other biggies from second tier conferences like the Metro and
Big West - and go for it. Forget the little symbolic crap of acting
like they really care about the smaller conference - cause it doesn't.
JD
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| 135.21 | | CAM::WAY | All ahead one-third, up periscope... | Mon Mar 12 1990 09:42 | 7 |
| But JD --
Ya gotta love that UConn is in there!!!! 8^)
Hope this helps....
Chainsaw
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| 135.22 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Bullwinkle stops Iditatrod, film at 11 | Mon Mar 12 1990 10:07 | 24 |
| Saw,
No problem with UCONN. Starting nexted year, the small conferences
won't be guarenteed a spot - so schools such as Princeton may be
denied a berth in the Tourney. The NCAA, in all of its ads, stresses
the Student-athlete - yet it constantly refines that to mean the
student athlete who matriculates at a large school in one fo the
large conferences. I personally think a conference shouldn't be
allowed more than 4 teams. And remember, I'm a St. John's fan,
so my plan would mean the Redmen would be out. That would suit
me fine. I've watched some great hoop this year played between
non-big conference teams. The Idaho-Eastern Washington game last
week was one of the best I've seen in a a long time.
There are teams in the tourney with 10-12 losses. I guess they
were all 'good losses'.
I also don't feel that a champion of a conference, no matter what
the conferense, should only get a #15, or a #13, or a #16 seed,
while 6th or 7th place teams get 8 or 9 seeds. What a sham.
Makes CBS happy, that's for sure.
JD
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| 135.23 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Mon Mar 12 1990 10:19 | 3 |
|
Why is it a sham? Those 5th-7th place teams are better than the minor
conference's champions.
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| 135.24 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Bullwinkle stops Iditatrod, film at 11 | Mon Mar 12 1990 10:38 | 14 |
| Hoot,
It my opinion. I'd rather see some of these smaller conference
teams in it then the also rans of the larger conferences. And we
don't know if they are better, because they never get the chance
to play - mainly because the smaller conferences champs are given
no realistic chance of advancing - usually getting #16 seeds and
forced to play far from home. Meanwhile, the 5th and 7th place
teams get treated much better.
Like I said before, I thought the NCAA represented all schools,
from all conferences, and not simply the big conferences and CBS.
JD
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| 135.25 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | The prostitution rests! | Mon Mar 12 1990 10:51 | 14 |
|
>1964: UCLA (30-0) 98, Duke 83
>1965: UCLA (28-2) 91, Michigan 80
>1967: UCLA (30-0) 79, Dayton 64
>1968: UCLA (29-1) 78, North Carolina 55
>1969: UCLA (29-1) 92, Purdue 72
>1970: UCLA (28-1) 80, Jacksonville 69
>1971: UCLA (29-1) 68, Villanova 62*
>1972: UCLA (30-0) 81, Florida State 76
>1973: UCLA (30-0) 87, Memphis State 66
>1975: UCLA (28-3) 92, Kentucky 85
291-9 in championchip years from 64-75, does anyone know the '66 and
'74 records? Pretty dominating if you ask me.
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Okay, once again the NCAA touny committee announces their selections,
and once again, we get some close calls, and some absolute shaft
jobs.
DePaul out, and ND in ???? Ugh.
Indiana is in ? Gimme a break !
Why is it that the Gramblings, Alcorns, and this year Coppin States,
good historically black colleges, consistantly get screwed with
low seedings ? Every friggin year, they get a Top 5 team.
Disgusting ....
And why should a so-called 'tough' conference (Big East) get 6 spots
just because they're sooooo tough ?
If you finished 6th, TFB !!!!! That's life in the big city !
I can go on, but I'll let you guys do it instead ...
Call me,
Disgusted
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| 135.27 | JD is right on target,4 teams to a conference | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Mon Mar 12 1990 11:07 | 25 |
| JD,you are right on target! Why play the season and the conference
tournaments if the same retreads still manage to get in?
Who besides ACC-Chris still wants to see North Carolina play? Haven't
the Tarheels proven it enough that they are undeserving of a shot at the
title? How many chances do mediocre teams deserve?
I am not saying that UNC isn't better than 15 or 20 teams in the
tourney. That's not the point. I'm not just picking on UNC,that also goes
for St Johns and Providence,Indiana,Ohio State and Minnesota.
The NCAA should be for the best of each league;the teams that were champions
or nearly champions,a showcase for schools no matter how small. Some
of the most exciting moments have been provided by Cleveland State
and Arkansas Little-Rock. Let's see that 27-5 team that may have played
an easy schedule. Give them a chance to prove how good they are.
But we all know why the also-rans will continue to get in. CBS is just
thrilled to have an Ohio State-Providence matchup in the first round.
Those Big East-Big 10 matchups get the ratings,even if it is
two opponents more deserving of the NIT. I for one won't stay up!
And as JD pointed out,the NCAA will try its hardest to take away more
and more of the Princetons. Shame on them and their hypocricy.
Wake me up for the final 16.
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| 135.28 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Mon Mar 12 1990 11:10 | 6 |
| The NCAA could extend the tournament to 256 teams simply by having
an extra week of the tournament. Now *THAT* would be fun.
Somewhat facetious,
John
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| 135.29 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Mon Mar 12 1990 11:13 | 7 |
| re: .28
Yikes, that's 64 teams per division!!! Perhaps they could create
12 more divisions to off balance that figure. That would make the
final 16 pretty interesting! Good idea, quick, someone call Brent.
sean
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| 135.30 | 1974 and 1966 UCLA teams | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Mon Mar 12 1990 11:30 | 22 |
| re. 25
The 1966 team was something like 20-7. They were blown out twice early
in the season by Duke. Both games were in North Carolina(Greensboro?).
Oregon State beat them out for the Pac 10 title.
The 1974 team may have been Wooden's most talented. Marques Johnson and
Richard Washington were freshmen. Walton and Wilkes were on the team.
They lost to North Carolina State in the semis in one of the greatest games
ever. They beat Maryland by 1 point in the season opener. I am blanking
out on some of their other players.
The game was at Greensboro and UCLA should have won in regulation.
I beleive they were 28-3(losing to Oregon State and of course Notre
Dame which broke their record breaking 88 game winning streak).
The fighting Irish were #1 for a long time with Shumate,BrokawDantley and
that little guard whose jumper beat the Bruins. His name?
Dwight Clay.
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| 135.31 | Barking up the wrong tree. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Mar 12 1990 11:52 | 15 |
| Even if only 4 teams from the ACC were invited Carolina would STILL be
in, ya boneheads. We finished tied for 3rd in the Conference. It
would've come down to us or Virginia and we'd probably have gotten the
nod due to difficulty of schedule.
I'm not gonna deny we've had a sub-par season but it's ridiculous to
pick out Carolina as the team that has no shot at the Title. We've
beaten a Top 10 team twice (Duke) and several Top 20 teams. (This is
in contrast to IU which the last I heard had only beaten 1 Top 20 all
year.) We've also played competitively with several others. (Missouri
and Georgetown are 2 examples that come to mind.)
- ACC Chris
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| 135.32 | UNC was only fifth best | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Mon Mar 12 1990 12:04 | 12 |
| Virgina deserved to be the fourth team. They beat Carolina and Duke in the
tournament,while UNC was out in the first round. UVA won 2 of three
from UNC.
I've always liked the Tar Heels,but face it Chris they were not one of
the top 4 teams in the ACC this year.I am sure they'll be back next
year.
A side note. UNC recruit Pat Sullivan led his Bogota(NJ) team to the
state Group 1 title ,Saturday. They are 31-0 and will be playing in
the tournament of champions with the likes of St Anthony's and
Elizabeth(Luther Wright).
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| 135.33 | | FSCORE::PAVEZKA | I didn't start the fire....did U? | Mon Mar 12 1990 12:15 | 265 |
| Somebody made up a schedule like this last year and I found it handy to
record the scores etc.
Feel free to extract it.
pete
EAST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Hartford Civic Centre | | East Rutherford, N.J |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Thurs. Mar 22 Sat March 24
________________
1 -Connecticut |
16-Boston Univ. |________________
________________| |
|
|________________
________________ | |
8 -Indiana | | |
9 -California |________________| |
________________| |
|
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Clemson | | |
12-Brigham Young|________________ | |
________________| | | |
| | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -LaSalle | | |
13-S.Mississippi|________________| |
________________| |
|
|
|
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| The Omni, Atlanta | | EAST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPION
|
________________ |
6 -St.John's | |
11-Temple |________________ |
________________| | |
| |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Duke | | | |
14-Richmond |________________| | |
________________| | |
| |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -UCLA | |
10-Alabama-Birm |________________ |
________________| | |
| |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Kansas | |
15-Robert Morris|________________|
________________|
MIDWEST REGIONAL:
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| Austin, Texas | | Reunion Arena, Dallas |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Thurs. Mar 22 Sat March 24
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1 -Oklahoma |
16-Towson State |________________
________________| |
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|________________
________________ | |
8 -N.Carolina | | |
9 -SW Missouri St________________| |
________________| |
|
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Illinois | | |
12-Dayton |________________ | |
________________| | | |
| | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -Arkansas | | |
13-Princeton |________________| |
________________| |
|
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| Hoosier Dome, Indianapolis | | MIDWEST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPIONS
|
________________ |
6 -Xavier | |
11-Kansas State |________________ |
________________| | |
| |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Georgetown | | | |
14-Texas Southern________________| | |
________________| | |
| |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -Georgia | |
10-Texas |________________ |
________________| | |
| |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Purdue | |
15-NE Louisiana |________________|
________________|
SOUTHEAST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Knoxville, Tenn. | | Superdome, New Orleans |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Fri. Mar 23 Sun March 25
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1 -Michigan St. |
16-Murray State |________________
________________| |
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|________________
________________ | |
8 -Houston | | |
9 -UC Santa Barb|________________| |
________________| |
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|________________
________________ | |
5 -Louisiana St.| | |
12-Villanova |________________ | |
________________| | | |
| | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -Georgia Tech | | |
13-East Tenn St.|________________| |
________________| |
|
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| Richmond, Virginia | | SOUTHEAST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPIONS
|
________________ |
6 -Minnesota | |
11-Texas El Paso|________________ |
________________| | |
| |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Missouri | | | |
14-Northern Iowa|________________| | |
________________| | |
| |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -Virginia | |
10-Notre Dame |________________ |
________________| | |
| |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Syracuse | |
15-Coppin State |________________|
________________|
WEST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Salt Lake City, Utah | | Oakland, Calif. |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Fri. Mar 23 Sun March 25
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1 -UNLV |
16-Little Rock |________________
________________| |
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|________________
________________ | |
8 -Ohio State | | |
9 -Providence |________________| |
________________| |
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|________________
________________ | |
5 -Oregon State | | |
12-Ball State |________________ | |
________________| | | |
| | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -Louisville | | |
13-Idaho |________________| |
________________| |
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| Long Beach, Calif. | | WEST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPIONS
|
________________ |
6 -New Mexico St| |
11-Loy. Marymount________________ |
________________| | |
| |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Michigan | | | |
14-Illinois St. |________________| | |
________________| | |
| |
|________________|
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7 -Alabama | |
10-Colorado St. |________________ |
________________| | |
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2 -Arizona | |
15-South Florida|________________|
________________|
FINAL FOUR:
________________________________
| McNichols Arena, Denver, Colo. |
Sat. March 31 Mon. April 2
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East Champs |
Midwest Champs |________________
________________| |
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|________________
________________ | **NCAA CHAMPS**
Southeast Champs| |
West Champs |________________|
________________|
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| 135.34 | Lazarus, come down outa that tree! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Mar 12 1990 12:23 | 12 |
| We could argue back and forth on the merits of UVa vs. UNC. But if the
goal of the selection process is to get the 64 best teams in the USofA
into the tourney then I don't there's any question that both deserve to
be there. Does anybody think Carolina wasn't one of the Top 64????
Thanks for the good news on Sullivan. What do you know about this kid?
The word I hear is that he's kindof a heady type ballplayer - perhaps a
Michael O'Koren or Matt Doherty type. Any clues?
Thanks,
- ACC Chris
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| 135.35 | one vote for expanding NCAA to all teams | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Mar 12 1990 12:41 | 15 |
| I agree that the NCAA should open it up to all schools and have the
first week to eliminate to determine the top 64 teams, matching them in
regions and seeding them according to a computer ranking (even if the
ranking is sure to be imperfect, no one can really complain since all
gets to play someone and if you lose you really can't blame others).
They should not be played on neutral courts but just the home court of
the better team.
But then, if the NCAA really does this, I wouldn't be surprised to see
all 10 of the Big Ten teams, or all Big East teams except B.C., or all
A.C.C. teams and all Big Eight teams be included in the final field of
64. Then we can still forget about all those BUs, Princetons, Coppin
States just the same.
Charles
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| 135.36 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Bullwinkle stops Iditatrod, film at 11 | Mon Mar 12 1990 12:43 | 9 |
| Charles,
Why would Northwestern make it, and not B.C. - other than the fack
that you are a Big 10 fan. ;-)
If they open it to all schools, why not cancel the regular season
and just have tourney time all year! Wouldn't that be great!!
JD
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| 135.37 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Mon Mar 12 1990 12:46 | 8 |
|
Opening up the field to 256 could create the possibility of
even more stunning upsets and more stunning blowouts. I don't have
any problem with it, it would make things mor interesting for some
small time schools who would otherwise never have a chance of making
the NCAA's...
sean
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| 135.38 | NWU, BC | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Mar 12 1990 12:59 | 13 |
| Re: JD
You're probably right about Northwestern and B.C., but maybe not... I
think B.C. have won two games since December, but did they win any game
inside the Big East? Northwestern got two wins in the Big Ten at home
over the two #8 (tied) teams. But I have seen them play very hard
games even against some top teams in the league, and many of their
losses are not blowouts but real close games. Maybe I say that B.C.
won't make it because I live less than 2 miles from their campus and I
know how good/bad they are. They simply does not belong in the same
league, literally, with the rest of the B.E.
Charles
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| 135.39 | another thought... | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Proud to be Lithuanian | Mon Mar 12 1990 13:01 | 5 |
| Maybe create a Division I-AA for the "smaller" schools, like in
football?
py
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| 135.40 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Mar 12 1990 13:08 | 3 |
| No, they would rather be in the Big Dance, and a share of the Big Buck.
They don't get that in Div. I-AA, not in football, and not in
basketball.
|
| 135.41 | Is there a solution? | COEM::SCOPA | MAJOR | Mon Mar 12 1990 14:36 | 12 |
| I'm sure that recruiting in the smaller schools would be a lot easier
if they had a better shot to get into the tourney.
I don't agree with limiting the number of teams from a conference
because it's possible to have 5 of the top 20 teams from a conference.
Maybe the answer is to go to a 128-team tournament. I'm sure the
$$$$$$$$ is there. I doubt if you'd have arguments then....of course
expanding the NCAA would water down the talent that would end up in the
NIT....if the NIT would still exist.
Maj
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| 135.42 | Uconn at Hartford | STAR::BSEGAL | | Tue Mar 13 1990 06:58 | 7 |
| I understand the March 15, 17 games at the Hartford Civic Center
are sold out. Assuming I can't get a ticket (being an alumnus didn't
help me much!), will ESPN carry the 3/15 Uconn game and the 3/17
games, or will CBS show the 3/17 games? I assume that since the games
are sold out, the Hartford area won't be blacked out?
- Bob ('75)
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| 135.43 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Tue Mar 13 1990 07:34 | 7 |
| If you are in the Boston area, Channel 25, the Fox network, the
home of Kelly Bundy and the rest of the madcap Bundy family, will
carry the BU - UConn game from the Hartford Civic Center. Mike
Gorman and Ronnie Perry will do the broadcasting chores (or, in
network terms, they are the "talent" for the game).
John
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| 135.44 | | 7983::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN! | Tue Mar 13 1990 08:06 | 3 |
| The Sports dept. at Ch 7 is trying to convince the powers that be at
the station to carry the Uconn-BU game also.
Denny
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| 135.45 | 64 is too many!! | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Bart,your alive,and buck naked too! | Tue Mar 13 1990 08:57 | 11 |
| All you guys are taking the wrong approach to make the tourney better.
DECREASE the number of teams to 48. No more automatic bids. The
top 47 teams plus a freebie for the defending champ. Take the top
25 teams from a computer ranking, the rest from a_UNbiased
cross section of conference heads. Virginia-ND doesnt do
squat for me, but a first rounder of Michigan State vs. Georgia
Tech would be awesome!!! I can only remember 1 team that was
given absolutely no chance of winning come on to win it, Villanova
1985. The pretenders usually get weeded out early anyway.
Rich
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| 135.46 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Tue Mar 13 1990 09:26 | 1 |
| Re:.43 whjat time? for the BU-UConn matchup?
|
| 135.47 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Mar 13 1990 09:40 | 11 |
| I thought a team couldn't have a homecourt advantage in the preliminary
round. This was the explanation for why UT would play in Indianapolis
rather than Austin. Yet, UConn will play their first round games in
Hartford. Is it because if UT did play in Austin, it would be on their
actual homecourt (the Erwin Center), but UConn is playing at the
Hartford Civic Center which isn't their official home court?
A couple of weeks ago NCAA officials were lamenting over the poor
ticket sales for the Midwestern prelims here in Austin. This week they
are the hottest ticket in town (and that's saying something with some
of the other events going on this week).
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| 135.48 | home court | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Tue Mar 13 1990 09:43 | 15 |
| To be consider home court they have to play 50% of their home games
there I think.
UConn plays there very often, and every year.
If LSU advances far enough they can go back to the Dome in New Orleans
where they play a few games every year.
Purdue is also "home" at the Hoosier Dome in Indy about 1 hour away
from campus, but Purdue never played in the Dome before.
These are all the "home court" scenerios I know of so far for this
year.
Charles
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| 135.49 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Mar 13 1990 09:46 | 8 |
| � Midwest: Arkansas should feel very comfortable with their legion of
� fans at UT and they will need it to get by Princeton and Illinois.
There was a piece in today's paper on who the Texas fans would be
rooting for at the Midwest games with UT playing in Indy. The
consensus seemed to be Oklahoma and anyone who played against Arkansas.
There are still alot of hard feelings after the last Razorback/Longhorn
game when Richardson walked off the court during regulation.
|
| 135.50 | Lower Bracket, Midwest Regional | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Tue Mar 13 1990 09:49 | 21 |
| I am worrying about Purdue's chances in the lower bracket of the
Midwest region. First, I know very little about Georgia and Texas if
Purdue (assuming they beat 3-point-hot NE La.) plays them in the second
round, only that they both seem to be short on the bench. Anyone can
tell me more about those teams?
But even if I am to be optimistic and assume that Purdue can beat those
teams with all their fans in Indy, Georgetown will worry me a great
deal. Purdue does not seem to be able to handle big man too well, and
they manage even to lose to Iowa who has 7-ft Les Jepsen. Now
Georgetown has 7-2 Motumbo and 6-10 Alonzo who plays taller than that.
Scheffler will be effectively useless against these two. Talk about
his high shooting percentage, he won't get any shot off and he will get
all he releases blocked I'm afraid. He's what? 6-8 or 6-7? Matchup
wise I think Purdue is in real bad shape. I just hope that the other
teams can help Purdue prevent Georgetown getting that far into the
sweet 16. O, maybe K-State can do that, and we can have a rematch of
the K-State-PU game of two years ago which ended Purdue's best chance
ever under Keady to get into the Final Four.
Charles
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| 135.51 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Tue Mar 13 1990 09:56 | 6 |
| For a court to be considered a team's home court, it has to play
at least half its games there. In years past, UConn played many
of its games in Hartford. This year, with the opening of their
new arena, they only played a small amount of games in Hartford.
John
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| 135.52 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue Mar 13 1990 10:34 | 2 |
|
...8 games in the Civic Center this year, according to ESPN last night.
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| 135.53 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | Vigilantes for a brighter future | Tue Mar 13 1990 11:34 | 8 |
| according to my crunchulations (tm), the odds against someone picking the
correct outcome of every game in the tourney are:
4,293,036,110 to 1
anybody wanna give it a try?
Mike JN
|
| 135.54 | | VIEW3D::MACGREGOR | | Tue Mar 13 1990 12:48 | 5 |
| At those odds yes, but the real odds are considerably higher. The
odds are 1 in 2 raised to 32 (or 4,294,967,296 to 1) for picking
the FIRST round.
The Wizard
|
| 135.55 | Anybody wanna give me even money on OU-Towson Staete? | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Mar 13 1990 13:09 | 6 |
|
Correct, except that the odds of picking only the winner in each game
are considerably better than 1 in 2.
glenn
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| 135.56 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | Better Living Through Chemicals! | Tue Mar 13 1990 14:14 | 11 |
| � At those odds yes, but the real odds are considerably higher. The
� odds are 1 in 2 raised to 32 (or 4,294,967,296 to 1) for picking
� the FIRST round.
�
� The Wizard
RIGHT YOU ARE MARC! I miscombobulated due to fawlty addulation.
It is 4,295,036,110 to 1
Mike JN
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| 135.57 | WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING?? | FTMUDG::DUGGAN | | Tue Mar 13 1990 15:57 | 43 |
| I'd like to point out a fact or two here.
First, CBS is going to give the NCAA $1BILLION to broadcast the NCAA
tournament for the next seven years, or $142+ MILLION per year. Now
there are 292 Division 1 schools in the NCAA. This works out to just
under $500,000 PER SCHOOL PER YEAR for the next seven years.
But is it going to be divided evenly? No. Will there be any relaxation
of the "non-pay" rule (i.e. the "student athlete" sham)? No. WHERE IS
THE MONEY GOING? I'll bet that the Alcorn States and the McNeese States
don't see very much of this money. WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING? I'd like
to see a detailed accounting of salaries, bribes, kickbacks, and other
sleaze at the NCAA level. WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING?
It's enough to make even a BIG-TIME college basketball freak like me
disgusted enough to not watch the tournament.
What I'd like to see (but I BET I won't) is for the money to be divided
among the Divison 1 schools according to their athletes' graduation rates.
After all, the players are STUDENT-athletes, are they not?
In 1970, New Mexico State went to the Final Four. I was associated with
their program (as Sam Lacey's math tutor) so I knew some of the $$$$
figures. NMSU's basketball program that year cost $182,000. (Sam
started the next year in the pros making just under $200,000.)
NMSU this year will get $286,000 just to show its sneakers on the floor
with Loyola-Marymount (to be sure, that $$$$ gets split with other
conference members).
My point is that $1BILLION is too much money to call this sham
"amateur" anymore.
I'd like to see all 292 (excepting those on probation) teams in the
tournament. With a random seeding. So we can REALLY see if the teams
from the big conferences are the best.
I bet we'd see some real surprises. Sure, the final 64 might look a lot
like this year's list, but at least this way we'd know.
...mike
(PS -- GO AGGIES!)
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| 135.58 | My picks | NRADM::KING | FUR...the look that KILLS... | Wed Mar 14 1990 06:56 | 262 |
|
EAST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Hartford Civic Centre | | East Rutherford, N.J |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Thurs. Mar 22 Sat March 24
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1 -Connecticut | Conn.
16-Boston Univ. |________________
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| Conn
|________________
________________ | |
8 -Indiana | Ind | |
9 -California |________________| |
________________| | Conn
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|________________
________________ | |
5 -Clemson | Clemsuck | |
12-Brigham Young|________________ | |
________________| | | |
| Clemsuck | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -LaSalle | Lassie | |
13-S.Mississippi|________________| |
________________| |
|
| Conn
|
________________________________ |____________
| The Omni, Atlanta | | EAST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPION
|
________________ |
6 -St.John's | St. John |
11-Temple |________________ |
________________| | |
| Duke |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Duke | Duke | | |
14-Richmond |________________| | |
________________| | Duke |
| |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -UCLA | Alab |
10-Alabama-Birm |________________ |
________________| | |
| Kansas |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Kansas | Kan |
15-Robert Morris|________________|
________________|
MIDWEST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Austin, Texas | | Reunion Arena, Dallas |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Thurs. Mar 22 Sat March 24
________________
1 -Oklahoma | Okla
16-Towson State |________________
________________| |
| Okla
|________________
________________ | |
8 -N.Carolina | NC | |
9 -SW Missouri St________________| |
________________| |
| Okla
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Illinois | Ill | |
12-Dayton |________________ | |
________________| | | |
| Ill | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -Arkansas | Ark | |
13-Princeton |________________| |
________________| |
|
|
| Georgetown
________________________________ |____________
| Hoosier Dome, Indianapolis | | MIDWEST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPIONS
|
________________ |
6 -Xavier | X-men |
11-Kansas State |________________ |
________________| | |
| Geor |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Georgetown | George | | |
14-Texas Southern________________| | |
________________| | Georg |
| |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -Georgia | Taxas |
10-Texas |________________ |
________________| | |
| Purd |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Purdue | Purd |
15-NE Louisiana |________________|
________________|
SOUTHEAST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Knoxville, Tenn. | | Superdome, New Orleans |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Fri. Mar 23 Sun March 25
________________
1 -Michigan St. | Mich St
16-Murray State |________________
________________| |
| Mich
|________________
________________ | |
8 -Houston | Hous | |
9 -UC Santa Barb|________________| |
________________| | Mich
|
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Louisiana St.| Louisi | |
12-Villanova |________________ | |
________________| | | |
| Geo Tech | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -Georgia Tech | Tech | |
13-East Tenn St.|________________| |
________________| |
|
| Michigan
|
________________________________ |____________
| Richmond, Virginia | | SOUTHEAST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPIONS
|
________________ |
6 -Minnesota | Taxas El |
11-Texas El Paso|________________ |
________________| | |
| Missou |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Missouri | Miss | | |
14-Northern Iowa|________________| | |
________________| | |
| Missouri |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -Virginia | ND |
10-Notre Dame |________________ |
________________| | |
| Syr |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Syracuse | Syrac |
15-Coppin State |________________|
________________|
WEST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Salt Lake City, Utah | | Oakland, Calif. |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Fri. Mar 23 Sun March 25
________________
1 -UNLV | UNLV
16-Little Rock |________________
________________| |
| UNLV
|________________
________________ | |
8 -Ohio State | Prov | |
9 -Providence |________________| |
________________| |
| UNLV
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Oregon State | Oero St. | |
12-Ball State |________________ | |
________________| | | |
| Louis | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -Louisville | Louis | |
13-Idaho |________________| |
________________| |
| UNLV
|
|
________________________________ |____________
| Long Beach, Calif. | | WEST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPIONS
|
________________ |
6 -New Mexico St| NM ST |
11-Loy. Marymount________________ |
________________| | |
| Mich ST |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Michigan | Mich | | |
14-Illinois St. |________________| | |
________________| | Arizona |
| |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -Alabama | Alaba |
10-Colorado St. |________________ |
________________| | |
| Arizon |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Arizona | Arizone |
15-South Florida|________________|
________________|
FINAL FOUR:
________________________________
| McNichols Arena, Denver, Colo. |
Sat. March 31 Mon. April 2
Conn
________________
East Champs | Georgetown
Midwest Champs |________________
Georgetown | |
________________| | Georgetown
|
Michigan |________________
________________ | **NCAA CHAMPS**
Southeast Champs| |
| Michigan |
West Champs |________________|
________________|
Arizona
|
| 135.59 | Two chances? | FTMUDG::DUGGAN | | Wed Mar 14 1990 07:29 | 5 |
| re .58: You have Michigan STATE as the winner of your (projected)
New Mexico State-Michigan game.
Helpfully,
...mike
|
| 135.60 | | WORDS::NISKALA | Waiting for the golf season | Wed Mar 14 1990 08:03 | 265 |
|
EAST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Hartford Civic Centre | | East Rutherford, N.J |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Thurs. Mar 22 Sat March 24
________________
1 -Connecticut | Conn.
16-Boston Univ. |________________
________________| |
| Conn
|________________
________________ | |
8 -Indiana | Cal | |
9 -California |________________| |
________________| |
| Conn
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Clemson | Clemson | |
12-Brigham Young|________________ | |
________________| | | |
| Clemson | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -LaSalle | LaSalle | |
13-S.Mississippi|________________| |
________________| |
|
|
| Duke
________________________________ |____________
| The Omni, Atlanta | | EAST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPION
|
________________ |
6 -St.John's | St. John |
11-Temple |________________ |
________________| | |
| Duke |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Duke | Duke | | |
14-Richmond |________________| | |
________________| | Duke |
| |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -UCLA | Alab |
10-Alabama-Birm |________________ |
________________| | |
| Kansas |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Kansas | Kan |
15-Robert Morris|________________|
________________|
MIDWEST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Austin, Texas | | Reunion Arena, Dallas |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Thurs. Mar 22 Sat March 24
________________
1 -Oklahoma | Okla
16-Towson State |________________
________________| |
| Okla
|________________
________________ | |
8 -N.Carolina | SW Mis St. | |
9 -SW Missouri St________________| |
________________| |
| Okla
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Illinois | Ill | |
12-Dayton |________________ | |
________________| | | |
| Ill | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -Arkansas | Ark | |
13-Princeton |________________| |
________________| |
|
|
| Oklahoma
________________________________ |____________
| Hoosier Dome, Indianapolis | | MIDWEST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPIONS
|
________________ |
6 -Xavier | Xavier |
11-Kansas State |________________ |
________________| | |
| Geor |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Georgetown | George | | |
14-Texas Southern________________| | |
________________| | |
| Georgtown |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -Georgia | Georgia |
10-Texas |________________ |
________________| | |
| Purdue |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Purdue | Purdue |
15-NE Louisiana |________________|
________________|
SOUTHEAST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Knoxville, Tenn. | | Superdome, New Orleans |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Fri. Mar 23 Sun March 25
________________
1 -Michigan St. | Mich St
16-Murray State |________________
________________| |
| Mich St
|________________
________________ | |
8 -Houston | Hous | |
9 -UC Santa Barb|________________| |
________________| |
| Ga. Tech
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Louisiana St.| LSU | |
12-Villanova |________________ | |
________________| | | |
| Geo Tech | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -Georgia Tech | Ga. Tech | |
13-East Tenn St.|________________| |
________________| |
|
|
| Syracuse
________________________________ |____________
| Richmond, Virginia | | SOUTHEAST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPIONS
|
________________ |
6 -Minnesota | Minnesota |
11-Texas El Paso|________________ |
________________| | |
| Missou |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Missouri | Miss | | |
14-Northern Iowa|________________| | |
________________| | |
| Syracuse |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -Virginia | ND |
10-Notre Dame |________________ |
________________| | |
| Syr |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Syracuse | Syrac |
15-Coppin State |________________|
________________|
WEST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Salt Lake City, Utah | | Oakland, Calif. |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Fri. Mar 23 Sun March 25
________________
1 -UNLV | UNLV
16-Little Rock |________________
________________| |
| UNLV
|________________
________________ | |
8 -Ohio State | Prov | |
9 -Providence |________________| |
________________| |
| UNLV
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Oregon State | Ore St. | |
12-Ball State |________________ | |
________________| | | |
| Louis | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -Louisville | Louis | |
13-Idaho |________________| |
________________| |
|
|
| UNLV
________________________________ |____________
| Long Beach, Calif. | | WEST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPIONS
|
________________ |
6 -New Mexico St| Loy Mary |
11-Loy. Marymount________________ |
________________| | |
| Mich |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Michigan | Mich | | |
14-Illinois St. |________________| | |
________________| | |
| Michigan |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -Alabama | Col St |
10-Colorado St. |________________ |
________________| | |
| Arizon |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Arizona | Arizona |
15-South Florida|________________|
________________|
FINAL FOUR:
________________________________
| McNichols Arena, Denver, Colo. |
Sat. March 31 Mon. April 2
Duke
________________
East Champs | Oklahoma
|________________
Midwest Champs | |
________________| |
Oklahoma |
| UNLV
Syracuse |________________
________________ | **NCAA CHAMPS**
Southeast Champs| |
| UNLV |
West Champs |________________|
________________|
UNLV
|
| 135.62 | different challenge | FSCORE::PAVEZKA | I didn't start the fire....did U? | Wed Mar 14 1990 10:05 | 8 |
| re .61
No Sean....picking the spreads is going on in the contest in note 179.
This one looks like they are trying to beat enormous odds in picking
just the winners for the whole tournament...BEFORE it starts.
pete
|
| 135.63 | and here's mine...definite BIG TEN flavour | FSCORE::PAVEZKA | I didn't start the fire....did U? | Wed Mar 14 1990 10:06 | 260 |
|
EAST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Hartford Civic Centre | | East Rutherford, N.J |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Thurs. Mar 22 Sat March 24
________________
1 -Connecticut | Conn
16-Boston Univ. |________________
________________| |
| Conn
|________________
________________ | |
8 -Indiana | Indiana | |
9 -California |________________| |
________________| |
| Conn
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Clemson | Clem | |
12-Brigham Young|________________ | |
________________| | | |
| LaSalle | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -LaSalle | LaSalle | |
13-S.Mississippi|________________| |
________________| |
|
|
| Kansas
________________________________ |____________
| The Omni, Atlanta | | EAST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPION
|
________________ |
6 -St.John's | St. John's |
11-Temple |________________ |
________________| | |
| St. John's |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Duke | Duke | | |
14-Richmond |________________| | |
________________| | |
| Kansas |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -UCLA | UCLA |
10-Alabama-Birm |________________ |
________________| | |
| Kansas |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Kansas | Kansas |
15-Robert Morris|________________|
________________|
MIDWEST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Austin, Texas | | Reunion Arena, Dallas |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Thurs. Mar 22 Sat March 24
________________
1 -Oklahoma | Oklahoma
16-Towson State |________________
________________| |
| Oklahoma
|________________
________________ | |
8 -N.Carolina | N.Carolina | |
9 -SW Missouri St________________| |
________________| |
| Arkansas
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Illinois | Illinois | |
12-Dayton |________________ | |
________________| | | |
| Arkansas | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -Arkansas | Arkansas | |
13-Princeton |________________| |
________________| |
|
|
| Purdue
________________________________ |____________
| Hoosier Dome, Indianapolis | | MIDWEST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPIONS
|
________________ |
6 -Xavier | Kansas State |
11-Kansas State |________________ |
________________| | |
| Georgetown |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Georgetown | Georgetown | | |
14-Texas Southern________________| | |
________________| | |
| |
|________________|
________________ | Purdue
7 -Georgia | Georgia |
10-Texas |________________ |
________________| | |
| Purdue |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Purdue | Purdue |
15-NE Louisiana |________________|
________________|
SOUTHEAST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Knoxville, Tenn. | | Superdome, New Orleans |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Fri. Mar 23 Sun March 25
________________
1 -Michigan St. | Michigan St.
16-Murray State |________________
________________| |
| Michigan St.
|________________
________________ | |
8 -Houston | Houston | |
9 -UC Santa Barb|________________| |
________________| |
| Michigan St.
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Louisiana St.| Louisiana St. | |
12-Villanova |________________ | |
________________| | | |
| Georgia Tech | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -Georgia Tech | Georgia Tech | |
13-East Tenn St.|________________| |
________________| |
|
|
| Michigan St
________________________________ |____________
| Richmond, Virginia | | SOUTHEAST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPIONS
|
________________ |
6 -Minnesota | UTEP |
11-Texas El Paso|________________ |
________________| | |
| Missouri |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Missouri | Missouri | | |
14-Northern Iowa|________________| | |
________________| | |
| Syracuse |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -Virginia | Virginia |
10-Notre Dame |________________ |
________________| | |
| Syracuse |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Syracuse | Syracuse |
15-Coppin State |________________|
________________|
WEST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Salt Lake City, Utah | | Oakland, Calif. |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Fri. Mar 23 Sun March 25
________________
1 -UNLV | UNLV
16-Little Rock |________________
________________| |
| UNLV
|________________
________________ | |
8 -Ohio State | Providence | |
9 -Providence |________________| |
________________| |
| UNLV
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Oregon State | Oregon State | |
12-Ball State |________________ | |
________________| | | |
| Louisville | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -Louisville | Louisville | |
13-Idaho |________________| |
________________| |
|
|
| Michigan
________________________________ |____________
| Long Beach, Calif. | | WEST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPIONS
|
________________ |
6 -New Mexico St| New Mex St |
11-Loy. Marymount________________ |
________________| | |
| Michigan |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Michigan | Michigan | | |
14-Illinois St. |________________| | |
________________| | |
| Michigan |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -Alabama | Alabama |
10-Colorado St. |________________ |
________________| | |
| Arizona |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Arizona | Arizona |
15-South Florida|________________|
________________|
FINAL FOUR:
________________________________
| McNichols Arena, Denver, Colo. |
Sat. March 31 Mon. April 2
Kansas
________________
East Champs | Purdue
Midwest Champs |________________
________________| |
Purdue | Michigan
Michigan St. |________________
________________ | **NCAA CHAMPS**
Southeast Champs| Michigan |
West Champs |________________|
________________|
Michigan
|
| 135.64 | Got the Mich mixed up... | NRADM::KING | FUR...the look that KILLS... | Wed Mar 14 1990 10:38 | 263 |
| Note 135.33
EAST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Hartford Civic Centre | | East Rutherford, N.J |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Thurs. Mar 22 Sat March 24
________________
1 -Connecticut | Conn.
16-Boston Univ. |________________
________________| |
| Conn
|________________
________________ | |
8 -Indiana | Ind | |
9 -California |________________| |
________________| | Conn
|
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Clemson | Clemsuck | |
12-Brigham Young|________________ | |
________________| | | |
| Clemsuck | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -LaSalle | Lassie | |
13-S.Mississippi|________________| |
________________| |
|
| Conn
|
________________________________ |____________
| The Omni, Atlanta | | EAST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPION
|
________________ |
6 -St.John's | St. John |
11-Temple |________________ |
________________| | |
| Duke |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Duke | Duke | | |
14-Richmond |________________| | |
________________| | Duke |
| |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -UCLA | Alab |
10-Alabama-Birm |________________ |
________________| | |
| Kansas |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Kansas | Kan |
15-Robert Morris|________________|
________________|
MIDWEST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Austin, Texas | | Reunion Arena, Dallas |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Thurs. Mar 22 Sat March 24
________________
1 -Oklahoma | Okla
16-Towson State |________________
________________| |
| Okla
|________________
________________ | |
8 -N.Carolina | NC | |
9 -SW Missouri St________________| |
________________| |
| Okla
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Illinois | Ill | |
12-Dayton |________________ | |
________________| | | |
| Ill | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -Arkansas | Ark | |
13-Princeton |________________| |
________________| |
|
|
| Georgetown
________________________________ |____________
| Hoosier Dome, Indianapolis | | MIDWEST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPIONS
|
________________ |
6 -Xavier | X-men |
11-Kansas State |________________ |
________________| | |
| Geor |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Georgetown | George | | |
14-Texas Southern________________| | |
________________| | Georg |
| |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -Georgia | Taxas |
10-Texas |________________ |
________________| | |
| Purd |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Purdue | Purd |
15-NE Louisiana |________________|
________________|
SOUTHEAST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Knoxville, Tenn. | | Superdome, New Orleans |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Fri. Mar 23 Sun March 25
________________
1 -Michigan St. | Mich St
16-Murray State |________________
________________| |
| Mich ST
|________________
________________ | |
8 -Houston | Hous | |
9 -UC Santa Barb|________________| |
________________| | Geo Tech
|
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Louisiana St.| Louisi | |
12-Villanova |________________ | |
________________| | | |
| Geo Tech | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -Georgia Tech | Tech | |
13-East Tenn St.|________________| |
________________| |
|
| Geo
Tech
|
________________________________ |____________
| Richmond, Virginia | | SOUTHEAST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPIONS
|
________________ |
6 -Minnesota | Taxas El |
11-Texas El Paso|________________ |
________________| | |
| Missou |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Missouri | Miss | | |
14-Northern Iowa|________________| | |
________________| | |
| Missouri |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -Virginia | ND |
10-Notre Dame |________________ |
________________| | |
| Syr |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Syracuse | Syrac |
15-Coppin State |________________|
________________|
WEST REGIONAL:
________________________________ ______________________________
| Salt Lake City, Utah | | Oakland, Calif. |
Thurs. March 15 Sat March 17 Fri. Mar 23 Sun March 25
________________
1 -UNLV | UNLV
16-Little Rock |________________
________________| |
| UNLV
|________________
________________ | |
8 -Ohio State | Prov | |
9 -Providence |________________| |
________________| |
| UNLV
|________________
________________ | |
5 -Oregon State | Oero St. | |
12-Ball State |________________ | |
________________| | | |
| Louis | |
|________________| |
________________ | |
4 -Louisville | Louis | |
13-Idaho |________________| |
________________| |
| UNLV
|
|
________________________________ |____________
| Long Beach, Calif. | | WEST
Fri. March 16 Sun. March 18 | CHAMPIONS
|
________________ |
6 -New Mexico St| NM ST |
11-Loy. Marymount________________ |
________________| | |
| Mich |
|________________ |
________________ | | |
3 -Michigan | Mich | | |
14-Illinois St. |________________| | |
________________| | Arizona |
| |
|________________|
________________ |
7 -Alabama | Alaba |
10-Colorado St. |________________ |
________________| | |
| Arizon |
|________________|
________________ |
2 -Arizona | Arizone |
15-South Florida|________________|
________________|
FINAL FOUR:
________________________________
| McNichols Arena, Denver, Colo. |
Sat. March 31 Mon. April 2
Conn
________________
East Champs | Georgetown
Midwest Champs |________________
Georgetown | |
________________| | Georgetown
|
Geo Tech |________________
________________ | **NCAA CHAMPS**
Southeast Champs| |
| Geo Tech |
West Champs |________________|
________________|
Arizona
|
| 135.66 | Altitude a factor? Jhawks WIN! | MAIL::MCNIEL | | Wed Mar 14 1990 14:37 | 28 |
| Rascals and scallywags,
You guy's are smokin' your socks!!
FINAL FOUR:
1. KANSAS will skate in and meet OKLAHOMA. Roy and the boy's will
finally get Tubbs & Co's, number. The mile high altitude surely
to favor the less run and gun style clubs.
2. LSU is a lock due to Cajun country fan support in the dome. But
will get beat like a step child by UNLV in Denver. Revenge factor
from Baton rouge embarassement earlier in season.
FINALS:
KU vs. UNLV, a rematch from pre-season NIT (KU romp)...with KU taking
all the marbles. Discipline vs. Wayne Newton
Respectively submitted,
Francis C. Nedimeyer
Seargent of Arms
(aka Kansas Comet)
|
| 135.67 | LSU will never escape Knoxville alive | CGVAX2::REEVE | | Thu Mar 15 1990 07:50 | 1 |
|
|
| 135.68 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | I cain't be bought...out | Thu Mar 15 1990 10:06 | 16 |
| Games that look good today...
Clemson -7 over BYU. BYU should be in the NIT.
BU +17� over UConn. Should keep it close. Could win.
Indiana -4� over California. Better coaching 8^).
East Tennessee State +8 over Georgia Tech. Upset of the day.
Murray State +15 over Michigan State. To keep it close
Princeton +12 over Arkansas To keep it close.
/Don
|
| 135.69 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Thu Mar 15 1990 12:42 | 14 |
|
NAZZ took the afternoon off to watch the games and he just called me
with the first results:
CLEMSON won a come from behind victory over BYU
UCSB beat Houston
Unfortunately I didn't write down the scores. When he calls next time, I'll
write them down and post them here...
JimH
|
| 135.70 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | No matter where you go,there you are | Thu Mar 15 1990 12:47 | 3 |
| I predicted UCSB would win!
JD
|
| 135.72 | Scores 3:00 EST | WJO::POLAY | HOYA doing? | Thu Mar 15 1990 13:30 | 13 |
| Finals:
Clemson 49-47
UCSB 70-66
OKLA 77-68
In progress:
Ore St 30-29 at the half
SMiss 23-21 1st half
MSU 30-19 "
The underdogs are covering!
...charlie
|
| 135.73 | | OURGNG::J_WARDLE | Jets/Yanks/DEVILS in 1990 | Thu Mar 15 1990 13:46 | 3 |
| Since I picked the games with no point spreads, I'm 3 for 3 right now.
JoJ
|
| 135.74 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Thu Mar 15 1990 13:48 | 9 |
|
Another NAZZ update:
At the Half Mich. St leads Murray St. 33-31
At the Half LaSalle leads So. Miss by 7, (36-29 I believe)
JimH
|
| 135.75 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Thu Mar 15 1990 13:52 | 7 |
|
BYU choked big-time. They were up by 7 with about 2 minutes to play.
They seemed like they were trying to run the clock out instead playing
the rest of the game. Clemson was also helped by a favorable non-call.
I didn't get the names but a Clemson player threw an elbow that Rick
Mahorn would have been proud of in the back court and stole the ball.
I couldn't believe it.
|
| 135.76 | Scores 3:40 EST | WJO::POLAY | HOYA doing? | Thu Mar 15 1990 14:12 | 8 |
| Scores at 3:40 EST:
LaSalle 46-39
MSU 42-36
Ore St 53-49
(scores available at 800-726-2141 free)
|
| 135.77 | The NAZZ NCAA Report...
| TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Thu Mar 15 1990 14:33 | 9 |
|
Ball St. upsets Oregon St. 53-52. A Ball St player hits a shot and gets
fouled with no time left on the clock, he hits the foul shot to win it. Payton
fouled out with a couple of minutes left in the game...
JimH
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| 135.78 | Scores 4:00 EST | WJO::POLAY | HOYA doing? | Thu Mar 15 1990 14:38 | 12 |
| Scores at 4:00 EST
FLASH! Ball State Cardinals win with a 3 point play at the buzzer
54-53!!!
In progress: LaSalle 63-52
MSU 66-58
NCAR 26-26
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| 135.79 | | PHILEM::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Thu Mar 15 1990 14:43 | 7 |
| Michigan St. has just been
tied!!!!!!Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
O_J
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| 135.80 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Thu Mar 15 1990 14:44 | 7 |
|
Murray St hits a 3-pt shot at the buzzer to tie the game at 65!!!!
OT just started.... Popeye Jones of Murray St. has scored 35 points...
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| 135.81 | Gotta like this one | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Gimme three steps, for the door | Thu Mar 15 1990 14:46 | 5 |
| > Popeye Jones of Murray St. has scored 35 points...
Great name!
Dan
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| 135.82 | Michigan St........DAMN!! | PHILEM::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Thu Mar 15 1990 14:53 | 1 |
| They just won.
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| 135.83 | | TURKEY::J_HALPIN | | Thu Mar 15 1990 14:58 | 14 |
|
Yup, Mich St. won 75-71. NAZZ says Popeye missed a crucial layup
that would have tied the game at 73...
LaSalle won big 79-63 Simmons had 32pts & 16 bounds
At the Half No Carolina lead S.W. Missouri 41-40
This concludes today's coverage by the NAZZ NCAA Report!!! I gotta go..
sorry...
JimH
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| 135.84 | | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Thu Mar 15 1990 15:25 | 5 |
| 60-56, UNC leading SW Missouri St.
- ACC Chris
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| 135.85 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | AllINeedIsANiceGirlWhoLikesTo... | Thu Mar 15 1990 16:09 | 1 |
| UNC 83-70
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| 135.86 | is this it so far? | REFINE::ASHE | Don't have a cow, man... | Thu Mar 15 1990 16:32 | 11 |
| Finals:
Clemson 49-47
UCSB 70-66
OKLA 77-68
Ball State 54-53!!!
Mich St. 75-71. (OT)
LaSalle 79-63
UNC 83-70
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| 135.87 | halftime scores | STRATA::GARRY | Helllpppp | Thu Mar 15 1990 18:30 | 7 |
| half time scores for 7:00 games (est)
Conn 29 Boston U. 28
LSU 32 Villanova 23
Tom
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| 135.88 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Thu Mar 15 1990 20:21 | 1 |
| Conn ran away in the 2nd to win it big over BU.
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| 135.89 | | AYNRND::REILLY | Don't have a cow, man | Fri Mar 16 1990 06:52 | 13 |
|
Totally bummed. Can't believe BU was actually winning with 14:00
left to go.
I also can't believe Providence blew a 12-point lead (or that I
stayed up till 2:00 to watch them do it).
Double aargh.
At this rate, I'll have no choice but to start rooting for my
alma-mater, SU... but only as a last resort (only half kidding).
SEAN/BEER=LABATTS
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| 135.90 | | CAM::WAY | This ain't no proctological breakdown... | Fri Mar 16 1990 07:06 | 13 |
| UCONN had the jitters for a while last night. I know they were worried
about the officiating, and how their aggressive defense would be
'handled' by the refs.
Once they got hot in the second half it was all over.
The Backcourt call by the ref against UCONN was the most totally bogus
call I've ever seen, as was the non-count when Key had the ball, and
(smith, george?) was all over him like sweat...
but hey, we won....
'Saw
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| 135.91 | The Big Ten needed that OSU victory. | SNDCSL::HAUSRATH | Who,Stones in '89. Zep in '90 | Fri Mar 16 1990 07:27 | 14 |
|
I thought the OSU-Providence game was a great one, but like Sean
can't believe I stayed up to watch it.
OSU is a streaky team, but when they went down by 12 I thought it was
over.
That freshman guard from the Cincinnati area (don't remember his name)
was sure Mr. Clutch.
OSU will be very tough over the next 2-3 years based on the youth of
their team.
/Jeff
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| 135.92 | ] | CNTROL::CHILDS | I need a miracle everyday | Fri Mar 16 1990 07:42 | 13 |
|
Davis was the kid's name who kept OSU in and hit the three pointer to
sent in to overtime. Here Jimmy Jackson took over in OT to win it for
the Buckeyes. Prov tried to sit it on it too early....
Saw how can you complain about a call/no call for UConn? I mean if
there 100 calls last night in the game UConn got 95...;^)
Simmons is the real deal, best ballplayer I've seen this year...
mike
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| 135.93 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Fri Mar 16 1990 08:25 | 7 |
| I think it's unfair that the teams aren't reseeded after each round.
For example, I think it's unfair for a #8 North Carolina to have
to play a #1 Oklahoma while #12 Dayton gets to play #4 Arkansas.
Fairer (at least in terms of seeding) matchups would be Dayton vs
Oklahoma and North Carolina vs Arkansas.
John
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| 135.94 | Conference Scoreboard | CGVAX2::REEVE | | Fri Mar 16 1990 08:32 | 10 |
| Results after Day One:
ACC 3-0
Pig Ten 2-2
Big Yeast 1-2
Big Hate 1-0
Enjoy it while it lasts!!!!
Chris
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| 135.95 | Agree on concept, but not on specific! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Mar 16 1990 08:36 | 9 |
| No offense John, but I'd rather be playing Oklahoma Saturday than
Arkansas. For alot of reasons I think the Sooners are more beatable
than people realize. (This is not to say we'll win, but I think we've
got a reasonable shot at 'em.)
- ACC Chris
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| 135.96 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | I cain't be bought...out | Fri Mar 16 1990 08:44 | 6 |
| Glad to see UCONN doing well at their Huskie Invitational.
I wonder if CBS's fascination with UCONN's underdog image had anything
with the NCAA giving them a home game in the first two rounds? Nah...
Just coincidence.
/Don
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| 135.97 | | GRANPA::DFAUST | New Sears=Old K-Mart | Fri Mar 16 1990 08:57 | 11 |
| re:back afew
I don't think reseeding the teams after the first round is a good idea.
In every other seeded tourney, once your seeded, you play in your
bracket and that's that. I think that reseeding would also permanently
eliminate a team winning the championship like Villanova did in 1985.
The underdog would be at such a severe disadvantage.
Dennis
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| 135.98 | when you're cold take a break... | CNTROL::CHILDS | I need a miracle everyday | Fri Mar 16 1990 11:55 | 7 |
|
Gee Slasher, you're pretty testy today. must have been those great
picks you made yesterday....;^)
got anymore tips for tonight? ;^)
mike
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| 135.99 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Fri Mar 16 1990 11:59 | 5 |
|
mike, take Temple to the bank! I hate 'em, but I hope they
win 8^)
sean
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| 135.100 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | I cain't be bought...out | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:05 | 4 |
| Yeah Mike, I do. New Mexico State over Payola Moneycount.
Paper says even.
/Don
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| 135.101 | One crazy tournament | BAUCIS::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:12 | 7 |
| Missouri is about to be eliminated.They're down by12 with about 5 to
go.
O_J
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| 135.102 | Perhaps not a surprise? | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:25 | 9 |
| Talk about end-of-season swoon's! Missouri gets blown out by a
mediocre Notre Dame squad and then losses in the 1st Round of the
NCAA's. (Assuming that happens.)
Sheesh.
- ACC Chris
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| 135.103 | N. Iowa wins | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:29 | 2 |
| Northern Iowa hit a 3 pointer with 2 seconds left.
74-71
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| 135.104 | WHAT A TOURNEY!!!!!!!!!! | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:31 | 6 |
| UNBELIEVABLE UNBELIEVABLE FOLKS!!!!!
N IOWA JUST PULLED A PRIME TIME UPSET!!!!!!
(SPOKEN IN MY BEST DICK VITALE VOICE)
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| 135.105 | AWESOME,BABY!!!!THAT'S FLAT OUT AWESOME!! | BAUCIS::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:32 | 1 |
|
|
| 135.106 | 12:00 finals | JURAN::WEST | | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:34 | 8 |
|
Finals Duke 81-56
Georgetown 70-52
No. Iowa 74-71
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| 135.107 | Chris Jackson in a Orlando uniform??? | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:50 | 9 |
| I would like some kind of confirmation on some more AWESOME NCAA
news. My local newspaper(not a tabloid) has an article about
Chris Jackson of LSU leaving for the pro's. Has anyone else heard
about this???? Jackson had no comment and Dale Brown said that
if Jackson was going pro he would become a monk so I am not sure
about this one. If anyone else has any kind of info about this
please let me know.
rub
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| 135.108 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:58 | 5 |
| Looks like Syracuse is going to cake walk their way to the final
four, huh? Michigan St. was depressing and Missouri's loss solidifies
my feelings.
sean
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| 135.109 | | BAUCIS::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:59 | 5 |
| What about Tech???
O_J
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| 135.110 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Fri Mar 16 1990 13:00 | 4 |
| forgot about Tech. good point, they will be Syracuse's toughest
competition. Especially since they have such a good guard combination.
That's usually what hurts Syracuse (UConn showed that). We'll have
to see.
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| 135.111 | We'll eat them alive inside | BAUCIS::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Fri Mar 16 1990 13:12 | 6 |
| This is the team I would be most scared about if I were
Dorkheim.Hopefully we can get to the final-four and Coleman can lead us
to victory.
O_J
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| 135.112 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Fri Mar 16 1990 13:17 | 12 |
|
tonight's tv schedule:
ESPN:
5:07pm EST Alabama vs. Colorado St.
7:07pm EST Georgia vs. Texas
9:37pm EST Virginia vs. Notre Dame
CBS:
11:44pm EST New Mexico St. vs. Loyola Marymount
sean
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| 135.113 | On the fringes of 880AM signal :*) | TOLKIN::FARLEY | Have YOU seen Elvis today?? | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:00 | 11 |
| Quick trip back from the car radio
St. John's up by 18-20 or so at the half
(obligatory cheer here)
GO LOUIEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
Kev_OW(tm)
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| 135.114 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:06 | 3 |
| Why couldn't Temple play like this against UMass?????? 8^)
sean
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| 135.115 | updates | DEMING::WEST | | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:07 | 11 |
|
updates
St Johns 39-26 Temple
Xavier 46-36 Kansas St
So Florida 37-33 Arizona
Minnesota 29-27 UTEP
kw
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| 135.116 | | GENRAL::WADE | That midnight train is whinin' low.. | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:20 | 8 |
| Yo Sean,
Are you sure about that ESPN schedule? Out here in Colorado,
two hours behind eastern time, we've got AU and ASU in a
baseball match up at 5:30 MST. I'd sure hate to miss a good
baseball game........;^)
Claybone
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| 135.117 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:25 | 5 |
|
Claybone, yep double checked it and those are the scheduled
games.
sean
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| 135.118 | harumph! | GENRAL::WADE | That midnight train is whinin' low.. | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:32 | 2 |
|
That's it! I'm gonna call Chris Berman and............
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| 135.119 | | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:37 | 10 |
| 2nd half updates:
St. John's 65, Temple 50
UTEP 49, Minnesota 46
Xavier 58, K-State 50
Arizona 62, South Florida 54
- ACC Chris
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| 135.120 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:39 | 3 |
| thanks Chris... Gooooooooooo UTEP!
sean
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| 135.121 | | VIEW3D::MACGREGOR | | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:43 | 1 |
| Time is 16:17 what's going on.
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| 135.122 | 4:30 EST | WJO::POLAY | HOYA doing? | Fri Mar 16 1990 15:04 | 8 |
| 4:30 pm EST Update:
St Johns final 81-65
Az final 79-67
Xavier 74-70 late
Minn/UTEP tied in OT!
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| 135.123 | | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Mar 16 1990 15:19 | 6 |
| Finals just in:
Xavier 87, K-State 79
Minnesota 64, UTEP 61
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| 135.124 | As usual, plenty of great games. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Mar 16 1990 15:25 | 16 |
| So far this has been the year of the "Almost Big Upset". Every #1 seed
has struggled except for UNLV, and there have been several other near
titanic upsets.
HOWEVER,
Out of 23 games thus far there have only been 3 upsets. (I'm not
counting a #9 seed beating a #8 seed.) The only legitimate upsets
have been N. Iowa over Missouri, Ball St. over Oregon St., and Dayton
over Illinois.
It's still early though ...
- ACC Chris
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| 135.125 | Later, Gary | SHALOT::HUNT | Send lawyers, guns, and money ... | Fri Mar 16 1990 15:28 | 7 |
| Ball State over Oregon State ...
Looks like the Sports Illustrated jinx is alive and well.
Apparently, Gary Payton didn't walk it like he talked it or
whatever was the theme behind his SI cover story last week.
Bob Hunt
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| 135.126 | Gary Payton-All hype | BAUCIS::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Fri Mar 16 1990 15:43 | 6 |
| Rumeal is the best point guard in the nation.
And that's a fact!!!
O_J
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| 135.127 | I'm sure ACC Chris is in heaven now!! | BAUCIS::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Sat Mar 17 1990 17:10 | 8 |
| I just can't believe what I saw UNC beat Oklahoma on a last second
shot!!!
UNBELEIVEABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
O_J
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| 135.128 | So far Today - 2 upsets | DEC25::MCFALL | Spaced, without a trace | Sat Mar 17 1990 18:59 | 8 |
| UNC over Oklahoma by 2
Ball St. over Louisville by 2
UCONN over Cal by 20
UNLV over Ohio St by 15-20
Clemson over LaSalle by 6-7
Mich. St. over UCSB by 10-15
LSU/Ga Tech tight in Second half
Dayton/Arkansas tight in Second half
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| 135.129 | | LUDWIG::GARRY | Helllpppp | Sat Mar 17 1990 19:19 | 6 |
| re-1.
Mich St only won by 4,not covering the all important spread.
Tom
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| 135.130 | | BAUCIS::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Sat Mar 17 1990 21:18 | 10 |
| For anybody who cares,Chris Jackson after the loss to `Tech announced
he was coming out was coming out of college to enter the draft.
O_J
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| 135.131 | Coleman #1 Jackson #2?????? | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Sun Mar 18 1990 09:50 | 10 |
| >>For anbody who cares, Chris Jackson after the loss to 'Tech announced
>>he was coming out was coming out of college to enter the draft.
Does anyone have any opinion on this on how will this affect the
draft??? Who will be the number #1 pick?
How good is Chris Jackson?
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| 135.132 | Coleman will be #1 | BAUCIS::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Sun Mar 18 1990 13:46 | 6 |
| Beleive me Coleman is the #1 pick.Jackson is good,but he is only a
sophmore.The only other person I think who might go #1 is Simmons,but
don't count on it.
O_J
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| 135.133 | Can You say upset? | DEC25::MCFALL | Spaced, without a trace | Sun Mar 18 1990 22:35 | 9 |
|
Minnesota beats Northern Iowa by 3
Syracuse over Virginia by 2
Loyola Marymount over Michigan by 30 or so
Duke 76-72 over St. Johns
Xavier by 3 over Georgetown
Texas by 2 over Purdue
UCLA by 2 over Kansas
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| 135.134 | Yowza... | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | I'm an Acquisitions man.. | Mon Mar 19 1990 08:47 | 16 |
| Whatta weekend of hoops. I caint remember so many close games.
Except for UCONNs thrashing of Cal (the Bears were the worst prepared
team I saw all weekend) and LMU blitzkrieg of Michigan, the game
generally followed the pattern of one team gets up big and then
succumbs to rally in 2nd half (St. Johns, LaSalle, e.g.), or team
gets to big lead and holds on (Syracuse, Minnesota, Xavier), or
it was simply close all along (UNC-OKla, UCLA-Kansas).
I don't know who the favorite is right now. LMU was the most
impressive team I saw all weekend. They totally blew Michigan off
the floor (Michigan, IMHO, was the second worst prepared team I
saw all weekend...)
I wanna see a UNLV-LMU game....
JD
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| 135.135 | Westhead should've left his 'do in LA...... | SASE::SZABO | I'm a Titles man myself! | Mon Mar 19 1990 09:41 | 5 |
| LMU scored 84 points in the 2nd half! Jeff Fryar was unconscious with
his 3-point shooting- 11 for 15! An incredible display of offensive
power, that's for sure........
Hawk
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| 135.136 | Who really won? | GALACH::M_BELLOR | Froot Loops and Budweiser | Mon Mar 19 1990 11:01 | 17 |
|
Does anyone have an opinion on the play at the end of the PURDUE-TEXAS
game??? Looked like a couple of realy bad calls in TEXAS's favor
to me. From my view point, it looked like the TEXAS player jumped
into the PURDUE player resulting in the game winning free throws
and a goaltending that was not called on the last shot!! Keady (PURDUE
coach) was livid after the game. I thought he had legitimate grips
about the officiating at the end of the game.
I think LMU has a great shot at the Final Four, Both Alabama and
UNLV like to play the fast pace game, and that falls into LMU's
hand. I do not think either of those two schools can match LMU's
style of play. Should be a great weekend!!!!
Sasquatch
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| 135.137 | | REFINE::ASHE | Don't have a cow, man... | Mon Mar 19 1990 11:03 | 3 |
| What happened to Bryan Williams of Arizona? 0 points?
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| 135.138 | Rebs have to get past Cards first. | SHALOT::MEDVID | Sitting waiting anticipating nothing | Mon Mar 19 1990 11:26 | 11 |
| > I think LMU has a great shot at the Final Four, Both Alabama and
> UNLV like to play the fast pace game, and that falls into LMU's
> hand.
You're assuming that UNLV makes it past Ball State. With the way
things are going in this year's crazy tourney, anything is possible.
Ball State is for real; they have excellent defense. However, I must
admit, UNLV is sooooooooo tough. I think clock strikes midnight for
Cinderella on Friday.
--dan'l
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| 135.139 | | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Mon Mar 19 1990 11:36 | 10 |
|
Tark says this UNLV team is the best yet (better than the Armon
days!). You gotta take his word for it. UNLV has had a relatively
*quiet* year compared to other teams. I think they can do it.
Ball St. is good. I expected them to upset Oregon St. but just didn't
have the guts to pick them over Louisville. I wish LMU and UNLV
wouldn't have to play each other so soon. That would be the classic
NCAA championship game IMO.
sean
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| 135.140 | | CX3COM::J_COTANCH | Where did the Big-8 go? | Mon Mar 19 1990 11:48 | 22 |
| I have to agree that a UNLV-LMU game would be fantastic. Final
score would probably be something like 198-192. Loyola is looking
just unstoppable, not just against Michigan but against New Mexico
State too. Those are both very talented teams, and LMU beat them
both handily. The LMU-Bama game should be interesting, because
Alabama is a very good defensive team. Wonder if they can keep
LMU under 100? If LMU keeps playing like they have been, no way!
If LMU gets by Alabama, I don't they'll get by UNLV. The winner
of the UNLV-Syracuse game in the Final Four will win it all.
The Big-10 only has 2 teams left, but IMO they're lucky to have that.
Michigan State and Minnesota both had to go to OT to win their
first-round games.
How about that LSU-Ga. Tech game Saturday night? Has to be one
of the best games I've seen in a while. That Shaquille O'Neal (sp?)
is a monster in the lane.
Thanks Virginia, a job well done!
Joe
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| 135.141 | LMU: the story of the tourney so far... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Mar 19 1990 12:54 | 12 |
|
The second half of LMU's Friday night game against New Mexico State was
something else, too. I had fallen asleep in front of the TV and woke
up just as the second half started. When I heard that Bo Kimble had
four fouls I figured LMU was in big trouble. Then Kimble immediately
starts dropping three-pointers and it's off to the races again. Kimble
scores 33 points after committing that fourth foul.
Not bad for a bunch of classless money-grubbers, eh, T?
glenn
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| 135.142 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Mar 19 1990 13:15 | 8 |
| I fell asleep after the half for that LMU-NMSU game also. Yeah, lotsa
scoring etc. but it is just not fun basketball to watch, at least not
for me. You get awestruck by all those falling shots, but you don't
have any skills, game plans to watch and enjoy, none on defense, little
on offense. I'm kind of sorry to see college basketball going in that
direction and is secretly hoping for LMU to lose all the time....
Charles
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| 135.143 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | You find one in every car... | Mon Mar 19 1990 14:09 | 14 |
| Charles,
Actually, while on offense LMU doesn't 'setup', they do play hellacious
full court pressure. And I think that it takes lots of skills
to play that type of ball. That's what I like about college -
you can see all types of styles - you see slow down hoop, half court
set up, fast break, run n gun, you get full court pressure, half
court, all types of zones, box and one. I don't think you'll see
college hoop go in the direction of LMU - just like I don't think
you'll see it head in the direction of the Princetons and the 40
minute slowdown.
JD
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| 135.144 | aa aa aa aa aa... | LEVERS::STROUT | pure black looking clear... | Mon Mar 19 1990 14:12 | 10 |
|
I find LMU's style of play very interesting to watch. You
can never count this team out of a game! They play a better thaan
average defense IMO and they have aa good rotation of players so
that no one gets tired out.
Just a FYI, earlier this season Xavier beat LMU. I think Xavier
has a great shot at the Final 4 this season. Hill and Strong are
tough!
sean
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| 135.145 | | FIXSR2::HARPER | It's all magic. | Mon Mar 19 1990 15:02 | 10 |
| re .142 Charles
I disagree. I think that one of college basketball's strengths lies in
its diversity. Lots of different styles. This tournament is soooo fun
to watch, for me, because it matches teams with lots of styles
together. Unlike the NBA, where the differences are much more subtle.
/Pat
/Georgia Tech 1986
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| 135.146 | Go, LMU! | FTMUDG::DUGGAN | | Tue Mar 20 1990 09:30 | 38 |
| re .142: Nope. That is the was basketball should be played. You should
run, run, run all the time, for forty minutes, shooting like crazy, and
just SMOKE your opponents off the floor. That's western basketball,
folks, and the winner of this year's tournament will be playing that
way. You folks in the East are just propagandized into thinking that
the swill you watch (and the rest of the country, thanks to our esteemed
Eastern-oriented media) is basketball. But those of us in the West know
what is REAL basketball.
The four best teams at playing this style of ball are (this year, at
least!) LMU, UNLV, NMSU, and Oklahoma.
As an NMSU Aggie, I was disappointed at the seeding, since I knew that LMU
was going to smoke a few. Unfortunately the Ags were LMU's first
opponent. Thanks, NCAA!
The other two styles of basketball are the pits. Big East/Big Ten
b-ball? Doesn't exist. They don't play basketball, they play
football-in-skivvies. That's why they had to give them six fouls this
year, so the teams could beat up on each other more. ACC b-ball? Yeah,
sure. If I have insomnia I'll just put on an ACC game and watch the
teams hold the ball for 44 seconds then take a shot. Remember, they
had to change the rules and put in the shot clock beacuse too many
people were going to sleep at ACC games. I remember the famous
Maryland-UNC(?) game in 1966 where the FINAL score was 4-2. Yup, that
was the FINAL!
As for defense, the proper defensive tally is not the total points the
opponent scores but rather the point spread. Anybody who says that NMSU
(22 forced turnovers per game, double-digit average point spread) or
LMU (34 points differential against the DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPIONS,
fer chrissake!) do not play defense just isn't all there.
Just my opinion, finally heard from in the West.
...mike the Aggie
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| 135.147 | I hate to say I told you so .... | LUNER::BROOKS | Must be a Bird's-eye view ... | Tue Mar 20 1990 10:25 | 23 |
|
You heard it from me first .....
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I wouldn't rule out any team playing on emotion.
LMU could go down in the first round. They could ride the "Win This
for Hank" crest all the way.
far fetched ? Maybe. But LMU isn't a two man team, and just look
at teams like CU in football, or the '79 Indiana State team in hoops,
or Joe Laptick's (sp) last Providence team ....
Apparantly, the players want to play. If so, I wouldn't want to
face LMU unprepared mentally.
DrM
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| 135.148 | | LUNER::BROOKS | Must be a Bird's-eye view ... | Tue Mar 20 1990 10:26 | 20 |
|
Chris .... take that trip to the Crow Cafe ....
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Forget about it Doc. LMU doesn't have the horses to run with the Big
Boys. They found this out a couple years ago when they went against
Carolina. UNC didn't flinch from their running game and proceded to
blow their drawers off. Granted, they may have a bit more talent now,
but go all the way? Hardly.
- ACC Chris
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| 135.149 | Munch, munch. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Mar 20 1990 11:12 | 1 |
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| 135.150 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | I need a miracle everyday | Tue Mar 20 1990 12:19 | 16 |
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Chris why you munching? they haven't gone all the way yet andf with
Dock's long arms patting himself on the back it's bound to be
their downfall. ;^)
Sure they may still go all the way but let's face it getting out
of the 1st and second round should have been easy for them as they
were closer to long beach state than uconn was to hartford...
and the competition they faced? well NMU I don't much about but
I certainly expected them to blow the draws off of Michigan who
wouldn't know team-ball if it it hit them in the face.
we'll see.....
mike
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| 135.151 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Mar 20 1990 12:35 | 6 |
| � Chris why you munching? they haven't gone all the way yet andf with
� Dock's long arms patting himself on the back it's bound to be
� their downfall. ;^)
Probably something he said in the title to his reply. Something about
LMU wouldn't even make the sweet 16.
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| 135.152 | DrM : A Prophet w/o honor ... | FRSBEE::BROOKS | Must be a Bird's-eye view ... | Tue Mar 20 1990 12:50 | 1 |
| We need to (tm) Blow The Drawers Off <insert team> .....
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| 135.153 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers, pants for |CENSORED|s | Tue Mar 20 1990 13:09 | 24 |
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Note 135.147 NCAA Tournament 147 of 152
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� You heard it from me first .....
Note 169.66 RIP, Hank Gathers 66 of 160
LUNER::BROOKS "Real men don't *DO* House Music" 13 lines 8-MAR-1990 13:13
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� I wouldn't rule out any team playing on emotion.
� LMU could go down in the first round. They could ride the "Win This
� for Hank" crest all the way.
The way I interpret this is that if LMU lost you were right and
if LMU won you were right. Not unexpected from Dr_* though...
/Don
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| 135.154 | LMU won't make the Final 4 though. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Mar 20 1990 13:22 | 10 |
| Thanks for the support Mike, but a bit of crow was called for. I'll
admit I haven't watched LMU much this year. The team I saw on the
floor against Michigan was *much* more talented than the team Carolina
blew away in the tourney a couple of years ago. So the basis of my
point (LMU has inferior talent) has been proven wrong. For now at
least.
- ACC Chris
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| 135.155 | Very observant, Slasher! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!11(tm) | SASE::SZABO | Channel Z, all static, all day, forever! | Tue Mar 20 1990 13:26 | 1 |
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| 135.156 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers, pants for |CENSORED|s | Tue Mar 20 1990 13:28 | 18 |
| Fresh off a successful weekend picking first round games, here's
my selections for the Great Eight.
UCONN -2� Clemson Media darlings. Gonna get the calls.
Duke -6� UCLA " "
Arkansas -2 N. Carolina Superior coaching.
Texas +1� Xavier Gonna bring their own refs again.
Georgia
Tech -2� Michigan St. Better conference wins.
Syracuse -4 Minnesota The "Deep Throat" memorial game.
LMU +1 Alabama The Tide is coached by a wimp.
UNLV -7� Ball State It's midnight and I see pumpkin seeds.
/Don
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| 135.157 | here on... CBS | LEVERS::STROUT | the last day of our acquaintance... | Thu Mar 22 1990 11:02 | 9 |
|
Tonight's schedule of games:
UConn vs. Clemson, East Rutherford, NJ 7:41pm
North Carolina vs. Arkansas, Dallas, TX 8:10pm
Duke vs. UCLA, East Rutherford, NJ 10:00pm
Xavier vs. Texas, Dallas, TX 10:30pm
sean
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| 135.159 | | CAM::WAY | And death shall have no dominion | Thu Mar 22 1990 11:38 | 10 |
| If you watch the UConn game, check out the trainer. She's one
of two (supposedly) women trainers in the NCAAs. They mentioned
some stuff about her lasted Saturday...
She's also a pretty fair hoop player in her own right....(I know,
cause I used to date her off and on, and she could always make
me highly conscious of my own severe case of WMD...)
Go Huskies!
Chainsaw
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| 135.160 | | LEVERS::STROUT | the last day of our acquaintance... | Thu Mar 22 1990 11:47 | 5 |
| Watching the SportsChannel last night, I found out that rookie
Cliff Robinson from UConn didn't go until the second round to Portland?
What a steal. He's a good player!
sean
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| 135.161 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Thu Mar 22 1990 12:39 | 5 |
|
> of two (supposedly) women trainers in the NCAAs
Supposedly there are two? or supposedly they are women?
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| 135.162 | | CAM::WAY | And death shall have no dominion | Thu Mar 22 1990 12:52 | 3 |
| Supposedly there are two.
The latter possibility was never in question, believe me ;^)
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| 135.163 | | ACTING::MACGREGOR | | Thu Mar 22 1990 12:55 | 9 |
| RE: move games to ESPN
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Sorry, but there aren't enough people where I live to sustain the
existance of cable, thus I'm am stuck with regular TV. Although
I don't like CBS that much, it IS all I have to watch the games.
The Wizard
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| 135.164 | the only solution | LEVERS::STROUT | the last day of our acquaintance... | Thu Mar 22 1990 12:58 | 3 |
| Put it on NBC and have Merlin Olsen commentate.
sean
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| 135.165 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | WON MAN ISS NO TOO BLAM! YUO AR!! | Thu Mar 22 1990 13:50 | 6 |
| HEY! THE PAPER SAYS TEXAS GAME AT 6:00, ARKANSAS AT 8:30!?!?!?!!??
WHEN IN HELL IS THE UCONN AND DUKE GAMES?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
HELP
MIKE JN
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| 135.166 | The Nerds are going down! | CNTROL::CHILDS | I need a miracle everyday | Thu Mar 22 1990 13:54 | 10 |
|
UConn/Clemson starts at 7:41 and is a regional telecast....
Arkansas/UNC starts at 8:07 and is a split national
Duke/UCLA starts at 10:10 and is national
Xavier/Texas starts at 10:37 and is a regional telecast
predictions uconn, arkansas, ucla and Texas....
mike
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| 135.167 | | FTMUDG::DUGGAN | | Thu Mar 22 1990 14:05 | 8 |
| re .165: We're in the West, Mike, (worse, we're in the Mountain time
zone) where the eastern potentates of CBS have decided that we're a
wasteland. So... while the rest of the country gets basketball, WE get
the SWC...
(I'd even settle for yukk ptooie Eastern-style bball)
...mike
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| 135.168 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | WON MAN ISS NO TOO BLAM! YUO AR!! | Thu Mar 22 1990 14:15 | 7 |
| The answer, of course, is Bars which receive a satellite feed. Much as I hate
to drink anything when I'm busy watching hoops, I may have to make the ultimate
(or possibly penultimate) sacrifice and wander into Khakis about 5:30 MST.
[ That's in Castle Rock, but I'm sure the Springs has such bars, also ]. I
wanted to see the Uconn/Clemson game
Mike JN
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| 135.169 | | FTMUDG::DUGGAN | | Thu Mar 22 1990 14:40 | 2 |
| The Dublin House always has umpteen million TV monitors on, in case you
get stuck in the blizzard on the way home...
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| 135.170 | The choke of the century | BAUCIS::SAPP | Chocolate Thunder:The REAL Darkhorse | Thu Mar 22 1990 19:59 | 9 |
| Guys,I can't beleive what I just saw.This HAS to be the biggest choke
in the history of ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!! 1,that's right 1 second left and
the guy guarding Tate George sits there and let's him take an
uncontested shot!!!!!!!UCONN didn't win it,Clemson lost it which is why
UCONN will go NOWHERE after this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers and smilies to all!!
O_J
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| 135.171 | Great game!! | 7983::RIEU | In search of...Mr Trout! | Fri Mar 23 1990 06:39 | 2 |
| What do you think he should have done? Foul him?
Denny
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| 135.172 | Hate them Horns! | SHALOT::MEDVID | Sitting waiting anticipating nothing | Fri Mar 23 1990 06:41 | 11 |
| Did you stay up to watch the final five minutes of Texas and Xavier?
I'd like to thank Texas and especially Mr. Blanks for providing me with
a new team to hate. I was wondering who it would be now that
Georgetown is out of it. I hope the Razorpigs crush the Hornies and
rub it in Blanks' face with no mercy. What was their season record
against each other?
God, I love it when there's a bad guy to hate. Just like a good
(south)Western.
--dan'l
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| 135.173 | | PHILEM::SAPP | Heart and Soul...D-D-Dance!! | Fri Mar 23 1990 06:43 | 8 |
| Re .171
No I'd like to have seen him contest the shot!!!
O_J
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| 135.174 | | CAM::WAY | And death shall have no dominion | Fri Mar 23 1990 06:55 | 24 |
| Uconn lost their composure big time late in the game.
However, the difference between teams that don't make it and teams
that do, is the teams that do find a way to win.
I held little hope, and was reminiscing about the season with a friend
on the phone, saying how great it was to get there etc etc. Nexted
thing I know I was screaming like Johnny Most, yelling "We f___ing won"
over and over...
I disagree that this will be a setback to UConn. All season, they've
overcome adversity, and lasted night taught them a lesson. It's quite
possible that this could be a springboard to the final four.
All potential champions need a little luck. Last night they got it.
Personally, while the shot won the game, and it was great of George to
do it, the pass from Burrell was just as much help as the shot...
I'll bet if it had been Sorry_Excuse pulling one out like that O_J
you wouldn't be saying they're not going anywhere ;^) ;^) ;^)
latered,
Chainsaw
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| 135.175 | 8^ | PHILEM::SAPP | Heart and Soul...D-D-Dance!! | Fri Mar 23 1990 06:56 | 5 |
| Sure I would have.........
O_J
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| 135.176 | | CGHUB::SCHOTT_R | | Fri Mar 23 1990 06:59 | 16 |
| The Clemson defender on Tate George played text book defense
given the circumstances. A 15 foot, turnaround jumper with the
added pressure of having to get it off in a hurry is a very low
percentage shot. Clearly letting George have that shot with
token resistance was much more preferable than putting him on the
line for two with no time remaining.
I question where was the other Clemson 6'10 front court player
during the play. One was harassing Burrell putting the ball in
bounds. The other should have been roaming the free throw line
area trying to disrupt potential receivers of the in-bounds pass.
As for the chokers in this one ... I think UCONN has more soul
searching to do in victory, than Clemson does in losing. Blowing
a 19 point lead late in the second half is inexcusable.
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| 135.177 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Oh well another quality loss | Fri Mar 23 1990 07:03 | 10 |
|
Don't think that they met in the SWC tourney so I would say
that the record is 2-0 Arkansas favor. I believe they won big
at home and they won in Texas in the OT game where Richardson
walk off the court near the end of regualtion....
I think in the SWC tourney Houston beat Texas then lost to Arkansas
in the finals.......
mike
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| 135.178 | great personal name Mike! | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Orioles in 1990 | Fri Mar 23 1990 07:04 | 1 |
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| 135.179 | | CUPTAY::TESSIER | UConn Huskies: the magic continues | Fri Mar 23 1990 07:13 | 29 |
| Saw, I was doing the same thing -- screaming at the TV. If they had been
able to take the ball out at half court, I would have given them a chance,
but since they had to go the length of the court, I had pretty much written
them off. You're right, that was a fantastic pass by Burrell. Was that a
slider or a changeup. ;) As for Tate, one minute I was cursing him for
missing the jumper and the next minute I was ready to nominate him for
Governor of Connecticut. After all, if Mr. Bill can handle the job, Tate
could certainly do no worse!
I think UConn will learn from this game. For 75 percent of the game, they
completely outplayed Clemson. Then, Clemson started pressuring them and
they couldn't handle it. I was kind of surprized that UConn didn't keep
on pressing Clemson after they had opened up the big lead. I think that
was a mistake. Defense is UConn's game, and they can't afford to let up
and try to sit on a lead.
Finally, does CBS suck big-time or what? Just as Clemson was starting to
make its move (UConn was up by 14), CBS says "Let's go to a competitive
game," and they switch to the Carolina-Arkansas game. When they finally
decide to come back to the Meadowlands, it's down to a 4-point game!
I was talking to folks in Connecticut after the game, and they said that
CBS didn't cut away down there. Still, they screwed up big time for the
rest of us.
Duke looked pretty impressive against UCLA. UConn will have to play a lot
better than they did last night. They can't afford to turn it over nearly
as much as they did against Clemson.
Laker_Ken
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| 135.180 | Was the clock operator from MSG at the Medowlands last night? | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers, pants for |CENSORED|s | Fri Mar 23 1990 07:16 | 1 |
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| 135.181 | The Huskies have to play all 40 Saturday | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Fri Mar 23 1990 07:51 | 16 |
| I was very impressed with Duke's defensive tenacity in the last five
minutes. Hurley is already a sophomore or junior in terms of court
poise. Coach K did a nice job of juggling a team with terrible foul
trouble. But,I think the Huskies learned their lesson last night.
They have to play 40 minutes. We have seen Duke's defense take it away
from Temple and Georgetown the last two years,but I think they will
miss the presence of a Ferry in the finals.
An all-SWC final in the Midwest. I'm glad to see this underrated
conference get some recognition. I like Texas' chances. I think the
crowd will be in their favor and they have one of the most underrated
players in the country in Mays.
Arkansas has both Men's and Women's teams in final 8.
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| 135.182 | | PNO::HEISER | save a tree, go CD | Fri Mar 23 1990 08:28 | 5 |
| > -< Was the clock operator from MSG at the Medowlands last night? >-
Clock wasn't a factor. In college, the buzzer has final authority.
Mike
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| 135.183 | | HEURIS::METZGER | Zeese trophies are not for bowling... | Fri Mar 23 1990 08:30 | 22 |
|
duke really didn't impress me at all last night. If it hadn't been for
Henderson's amazing 3pt shooting hand and UCLA's awful free throw shooting
they would have been outta there.
Curly had several turnovers on simple swing passes aroung the perimeter.
He looked good when he drove the lane and should do it more often.
Coach K did juggle his lineup well with Laetner and Alaa in foul trouble
early. I thought they were going to lose it after laetner picked up his 4th.
UCLA should have gone right at him after he was put back in because there
was no way he was going to be aggressive on D with 4 fouls.
UCLA just went cold at the wrong time and didn't have the big men to go inside
when their outside shooting went.
Abdelnaby impressed me with a few post up moves. You don't usually see good
post up players in college. They often travel or lose the ball trying to post
up.
Metz
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| 135.184 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | ZsaZsa's dog to wed, film at 11 | Fri Mar 23 1990 08:32 | 15 |
| O_J,
You have to look no further than lasted years tourney champeenship
game to see where tight, contested defense in the last seconds can
result in a foul, and in that case, the champeenship. As stated,
the Clemson player played text book defense. The most important
part of that play is the pass, and it was a beauty. If it is any
higher, George wastes time getting control, shot doesn't count,
if it is lower, same thing, or worser, Clemson intercepts. Any
contact results in a probable foul, virtually handing the game over....
I'm sure if the same thing happened with the Orange, you'd be saying
it was the greatest play in history...
JD
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| 135.185 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | ZsaZsa's dog to wed, film at 11 | Fri Mar 23 1990 08:33 | 5 |
| The Washington Huskies women's team chewed up the GameCocks of South
Carolina yesterday - in a surprisingly easy win. They are now in
the final 8 for the firsted time ever.
JD
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| 135.186 | Controversey? | COEM::SCOPA | MAJOR | Fri Mar 23 1990 08:33 | 22 |
| I picked UCONN to win last night but I'd like to comment on George's
shot. As I played the shot back on my VCR I had a picture where the
clock was at 00:0 and George's shooting arm was still at around 90
degrees and he hadn't flicked his wrist.
The ref was obviously listening for the horn and the horn went off
after time ran out.
In other words we saw and heard this:
0:9...0:8...0:7...0:6...0:5...0:4...0:3...0:2...0:1...0:0...horn blast
Shouldn't it be:
0:9...0:8...0:7...0:6...0:5...0:4...0:3...0:2...0:1...horn blast
Like I said, he was still in contact with the ball when time had run
out.
Any comments?
Major
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| 135.187 | no controversy | PNO::HEISER | save a tree, go CD | Fri Mar 23 1990 08:36 | 4 |
| Mike Francesa on CBS said the buzzer is the final authority in NCAA
rules. That is what the refs were keying on.
Mike
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| 135.188 | | STRATA::CAPPEL | Hey Baseball, GET A REAL JOB | Fri Mar 23 1990 08:37 | 10 |
| Think of it like this....
0:09, 0:08,.......0:01 Horn
Horn has the final say in B-ball as the refs listen for the horn
while watching the release of the ball.
Excellent call, incredible pass, good shot, great ending...
Cap
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| 135.189 | The buzzer gives you more time. | COEM::SCOPA | MAJOR | Fri Mar 23 1990 08:38 | 4 |
| If that's the case then UCONN had more than 1:0 seconds to win it last
night. I'd hate to be a Clemson player watching a tape of the play.
Maj
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| 135.190 | | FSHQA1::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Fri Mar 23 1990 08:49 | 11 |
| The horn is synchronized with the clock. It goes off automatically
when the clock hits 00:00. The officials watch the shooter and
listen for the horn, they don't watch the clock. Don't forget also
that sound travels slower than light, so there is a very small fraction
of a second between the time the clock hits 00:00 and the human
ear's ability to pick up the sound.
I watched the replay and the official made the right call but it
surely was close.
John
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| 135.191 | CBS is probably a co-conspirator in this sham! | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers, pants for |CENSORED|s | Fri Mar 23 1990 08:53 | 1 |
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| 135.192 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Fri Mar 23 1990 09:27 | 7 |
|
I agree, John. I just couldn't believe Clemson let them throw a pass
the length of the court, into traffic, and noone attempted to step in
front of the pass. Clemson choked big time.
HOOT
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| 135.193 | Who was guarding the inbound? | SHALOT::MEDVID | Sitting waiting anticipating nothing | Fri Mar 23 1990 10:17 | 5 |
| What I couldn't believe is that Clemson didn't have their biggest man
on the inbounder. Tactical error. They deserved to lose...even if it
was lucky.
--dan'l
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| 135.194 | | SASE::SZABO | Have you had your fahrvergn�gen today? | Fri Mar 23 1990 10:27 | 9 |
| I thought that Clemson DID have their tallest man on the inbounder.....
I think the only error that Clemson made, as was already mentioned,
that no one helped-out in cutting-off the pass, or at least knocking it
away or making it tough to catch. Sure, it was an excellent throw, but
considering the height of the ball and it's distance, George shouldn't
have caught it with the ease that he did.
Hawk
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| 135.195 | | HEURIS::METZGER | Zeese trophies are not for bowling... | Fri Mar 23 1990 10:42 | 15 |
|
the way I saw it the clemson defender had a couple of choices...
1) go for the pass and risk a foul...(not a good choice)
2) sort of go for the pass and try and rush george's shot ( I think he tried )
3) forget about the pass and try and make george's shot as difficult as possible
without commiting the foul. ( stand straight up with both arms extended
and make george shhot over it ) (best choice IMHO)
remember this is only the guy defending george....Clemson definately should have had
somebody roving around the key looking to pick off the long pass....
your rolls your dice and you takes you chances...clemson came up snake eyes...
Metz
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| 135.196 | | SNDCSL::HAUSRATH | Who,Stones in '89. Zep in '90 | Fri Mar 23 1990 10:47 | 7 |
|
If the Clemson player who was fouled in the last 2 seconds had made the
front end of the 1-and-1 we wouldn't be having this discussion..
That's the guy who's got to feel it today!
/Jeff
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| 135.197 | | PNO::HEISER | save a tree, go CD | Fri Mar 23 1990 11:15 | 5 |
| UConn also had the proper player throw in the ball. CBS said that the
guy is also a pitcher with a 95mph fastball and has been drafted by the
Mariners.
He threw a strike on that play!
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| 135.198 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Mar 23 1990 11:43 | 6 |
| � re .165: We're in the West, Mike, (worse, we're in the Mountain time
� zone) where the eastern potentates of CBS have decided that we're a
� wasteland. So... while the rest of the country gets basketball, WE get
� the SWC...
And you'll get even more of the SWC heh heh heh.
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| 135.199 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Mar 23 1990 11:53 | 22 |
| � Did you stay up to watch the final five minutes of Texas and Xavier?
� I'd like to thank Texas and especially Mr. Blanks for providing me with
� a new team to hate. I was wondering who it would be now that
� Georgetown is out of it. I hope the Razorpigs crush the Hornies and
� rub it in Blanks' face with no mercy. What was their season record
� against each other?
Yup, Blanks is known as THE hotdog of the SWC, and has quite a few
detractors among opposing teams and coaches. It is speculated that
this was why he was snubbed from the all conference team. BUT, the guy
did score 26 points in the second half and the layup he really
hotdogged after (while Texas was down by 14) was only his second basket
of the game and started the 'Horns running again.
Texas was 0-2 against Arkansas this year. They lost their second game
in OT amid a huge controversy. Arkansas was down by 3 and fouled Mays.
Richardson (the Razorbacks coach) walked off the court in disgust.
Mays missed the front end of the 1 and 1, Arkansas took the ball
upcourt and hit a 3 to tie the game and later won it in OT. The
controversy stems from the fact that a coach who leaves the coaching
area is supposed to be hit with an automatic T. If he had, Texas would
have had another chance to put the game away.
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| 135.200 | | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:01 | 11 |
| �I think the
� crowd will be in their favor and they have one of the most underrated
� players in the country in Mays.
Arkansas will have a HUGE contingent in Dallas. They made up over half
the crowd at the SWC tournament. Arkansas has a loyal basketball
following while enthusiasm for UT is just picking up. They are still
pretty much a football school and until Penders came, had a mediocre
basketball team.
I agree on Mays. I'd love to see the Celts get him.
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| 135.201 | I hate Stockton! I hate CBS!!! | 4159::NAZZARO | Thanks Minutemen, for a GREAT year!! | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:01 | 28 |
| Random thoughts about last night:
1) CBS IS TERRIBLE!!!!!!!! No mention of the UConn game for the
entire time they cut away, then an almost "oh, by the way" type
of return to the game. And every time the clock was stopped in
the final few seconds, they cut right away to commercials. No
setting up the situation, no discussion of strategy, no sights
of the coaches, no recap, no replays, no NOTHING!!!! THE WORST!!!
I hope the NCAA enjoys the megabucks they got for their new TV deal
from CBS, but I'll really miss ESPN. Absolutely no comparison.
2) Saw two very poor coaching jobs down the stretch, one by Gillen of
Xavier and the other by Harrick of UCLA. Both coaches let the last
three minutes of the game slip away, and did nothing to stop the
momentum. Both teams took needless 3 point shots when down by 3
and over two minutes left. But Gillen was worse in that he never
called a timeout to slow Texas down and set something up.
3) UConn was VERY lucky.
4) ACC sunk to the level we all expected.
5) Nobody mentioned what a choker Tate George was with 5 seconds
left, missing a wide open 17 footer. He's indeed fortunate he
got a chance to redeem himself. Not too many people get that
second chance in life.
NAZZ
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| 135.202 | Ladyhorns and Runnin'Horns still on track for final 4 | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:09 | 2 |
| Both the Texas Women and Texas Men advanced to the NCAA regional finals
last night. The Lady Longhorns blewout NC State.
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| 135.203 | A heartstopper! | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | Gimme three steps, for the door | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:29 | 22 |
| >I agree, John. I just couldn't believe Clemson let them throw a pass
>the length of the court, into traffic, and noone attempted to step in
>front of the pass. Clemson choked big time.
Yes, as stunning as the shot was it's just as stunning to think that a
pass could go from behind one endline to in front of the other, some 94
or 96 feet, and not be interfered with more!
With all the replays, I was watching the clock, listening for the horn and
waiting for the ball to be released, and I forgot to look for two things:
- in live action, it looked to me as if George came down with the ball and
hesitated as if he were looking to pass before he went up for the shot.
Anyone else think they saw that?
-I remember that Clemson backed off the two wingmen on the inbounds play,
as the ref handed the ball to the UConn inbounder. The wingmen both bolted
upcourt, and then I kind of lost track. Did UConn just run something very clever
along the baseline to allow George to get free enough to catch that
pass?
Dan
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| 135.204 | I'm not saying Billy's a blowhard but... | FTMUDG::DUGGAN | | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:34 | 17 |
| N E W S F L A S H !! N E W S F L A S H !!
Packer To Shut UP!
(Compiled from wire services. Paraphrased without permission.)
Billy Packer, the self-anointed guru of Bigtime BasketBall, has said --
publicly - that he intends to "keep my mouth shut" during the
LMU-Alabama basketball game, because,"If I talk about a made basket by
a team in that game, you (the listening {and suffering} audience) might
miss the next two or three baskets."
-30-
Well, Billy, why should this be any different in that respect than any
OTHER game... If the final score was 6-4, and ol' Billy started talking
after the first basket, we'd miss the next two or three baskets...
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| 135.205 | IMO,Alabama has a chance tonight | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:58 | 15 |
| Judging from the round 2 tournamanet selections,I am one of the only
people who gives Alabama a chance tonight against LMU. I know Loyola
demolished two strong teams over the weekend,but I think the opposition
allowed them to play their uptempo game and their shooting was just
unconscious.
Here's one person who thinks Alabama's defense will curtail LMU's
express tonight. In any case,I think the Tide will give LMU a better
game than either of the teams last weekend.
Most of the nation,especially CBS,is hoping for an LMU-UNLV matchup
on Sunday. That could be for the National championship.
With so many picking LMU to win it all,I am just curious about what
kind of odds you could have gotten on them before the tournament.
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| 135.206 | Agreed. 'Bama plays great "D". Will shut down LMU. | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:59 | 2 |
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| 135.207 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Fri Mar 23 1990 13:30 | 3 |
| .202
The Longhorns hardly blew out NC State. The Wolfpacks hung tough until
midway 2nd half I think.
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| 135.208 | kudos to the leader of the pack... | WJO::POLAY | a SPARTAN existence | Fri Mar 23 1990 14:21 | 14 |
| re .205
Dave,
Since you are leading the NCAA Contest AND went 4 for 4 last night
(only 3 of us did), we all should pay attention to you!
I also picked the Tide...even after adjusting significantly for their
performance in the tourney, I have the game rated 103-101 for Alabama.
Vegas line is LMU by 2.
Hoping you miss a few this weekend...
...charlie
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| 135.209 | | LUNER::BROOKS | Loyola Marymount, TAKE NO PRISONERS ! | Fri Mar 23 1990 14:36 | 20 |
| re .206
Trying to salvage something eh Chris ?
Don't be such a hard head ....
re. 205
I think that Bama is well-coached and playes excellent D. I just
think that LMU is playing up to their potential, helped by their
focused emotion. People spend so much time looking at the point
totals of LMU, that they forget that LMU plays above-average defense
that often forces you to play at their pace.
In short, LMU's defense often triggers the offense, unlike other
pretenders that simply jack up shots and play matador defense.
I expect a good game, but I also expect a UNLV-LMU game on Sunday.
DrM
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| 135.210 | Once Carolina goes down DocZero, there's nothing left. :^( | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Fri Mar 23 1990 14:41 | 1 |
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| 135.211 | Scores | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | CRASH in turn 4! It's him again! | Fri Mar 23 1990 20:33 | 6 |
|
L.M.T over Alabama by 2, 62-60 in a close defensive game.
Minn. over Syracuse by 7.
B.A.
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| 135.212 | | VAXWRK::NEEDLE | Fahrvergn�ten! | Sat Mar 24 1990 00:26 | 6 |
| Tonight's scores:
MINNESOTA 82 vs. SYRACUSE 75
GEORGIA TECH 81 vs. MICHIGAN STATE 80
LOYOLA MARYMOUNT 62 vs. ALABAMA 60
BALL STATE 67 vs. UNLV 69
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| 135.213 | Maybe the ACC will get some respect,now | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Mon Mar 26 1990 09:07 | 25 |
| So the ACC has two teams in the final 4 while the Big East,Big 10 and
Big 8 have none. Consider the lack of respect the ACC was given before
the tournament,compared with the other three.
The ACC entered the tourney with one # 3,two # 4's,a # 7 and a # 8.
The big 10 had 1 #1,1 # 2,1 # 3,1 # 5,1 # 6, and 1 # 8.
The big east had a #1,1 # 2,1 # 3,1 # 6,1 # 9 and 1 # 12.
The big 8 had a # 1,# 2,# 3 and a # 11.
Of course if you exclude last second shots you would have had
Clemson-Duke and Michigan State-Minnesota games in the finals. Five big
10 teams lost games that were decided in the final seconds.
There is no team that is that much better than another. So the ACC boosters
(of which I am one) shouldn't boast too much. Georgia Tech(who I have
picked all through the tourney) is one of the most agonizing teams to
watch, helpless inside,but with two of the greatest players in college
basketball.
I am looking for UNLV to dominate this weekend,but they were lucky to
escape against Ball State. Arkansas looks great at times,but they were
lucky to escape Princeton and Dayton.
The all tournament team so far: Kenny Anderson,Bo Kimble,Travis
Mays,Willie Burton and Stacy Augmon.
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| 135.214 | ACC no respect ? What a load of brahma feces ... | FRSBEE::BROOKS | LMU, ya did it w/class ! | Mon Mar 26 1990 09:40 | 20 |
| Am I a prophet without honor or what ? :-)
re .213
dave, get real. The ACC gets no respect ? HA ! Typical East Coast
Chauvanism.
If anything, they get overhyped as much, if not more than the Big
East and Big 10 on a year in, year out basis.
NC was not that good a team, neither was VU or NC State. I picked
Tech to make the Final Four, and IMO, are the class of the ACC along
with Duke, which got a third seed.
If you want to talk about REAL disrespect, try the Southwest
Conference. Arkansas got NONE. Texas got even less.
And guess who were the two best teams in the Midwest ? Yup ....
DrM
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| 135.215 | | SAGE::ROSS | Carolina, here I come | Mon Mar 26 1990 09:56 | 29 |
| I was SO glad to see Loyola beat Alabama Friday night... not for the
Hank Gathers tie-in, but just to see Wimp Sanderson go down. Wimp's
act on the sidelines is like a bad Bobby Knight parody... If Knight
ever pulled the stuff Wimp did, we'd never hear the end of it in
SPORTS.NOTE.
Plus, everyone kept making Wimp out to be a genius when his team
was losing most of the game. The players get so caught up in
"Hey, we're keeping this close" that they forget that they're losing.
LMU is not a great team. Kimble and Stumer were the only real
players.
Tarkanian took the proper strategy against LMU... Blow them out with
superior talent early and THEN start worrying about controlling the
tempo...
Did anyone else see CBS's shameless act in the second half of
LMU/UNLV? When it was apparent that Loyola's season was over,
the cameras were trained on a UNLV cheerleader suffering from
cancer {I think} who is the unofficial coach. Please! Let's
stick to basketball and not melodrama.
{Note : for another example of CBS's "humanity" check out John
Feinstien's "A Season Inside" where he relates a story about when
Steve Kerr was at Arizona after his father was assassinated in
Beirut. After Arizona won a big game, they asked Steve if he'd
like to use a CBS phone to call his mother in Beirut. Steve
said "Okay". Then CBS asked if he'd mind if they filmed him making
the call. Steve said, "Forget it". }
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| 135.216 | Wimp reminds me of Guy Lewis... | DELNI::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Mar 26 1990 10:03 | 14 |
|
I must admit that while the LMU players displayed class throughout, CBS
displayed *crass*. The Hank Gathers stuff got so much play that the
LMU players finally had to say "enough, we can play ball too!". I hold
Brent Musberger and all the overblown hype he represents responsible.
Yeah, that Wimp Sanderson "genius" act was hilarious. Let's forego the
easy baskets two-on-one, three-on-two to take time off the clock. Real
smart, seeing as how LMU was self-detructing in the first half and
Alabama took no advantage of it. Easily the worst played basketball
game I've seen all year...
glenn
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| 135.217 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | ZsaZsa's dog to wed, film at 11 | Mon Mar 26 1990 10:37 | 21 |
| Doug and Glenn,
Count me in among the "Wimp is not a genius" crowd. Unreal. The
worst had to be when the two LMU guys collided and Bama had a 5
on 3, and they HELD THE BALL, and waited for LMU to get back into
position. PULEEZE!!!
Bama had that game won. They were unstoppable inside - yet they
still fooled around toooo much.
And Doug - I know you mentioned about Bo Kimble and being a lottery
guard. I have reservations - he has the tools, he has the body,
but....does he have some Hersey Hawkings in him? I think he'll
be a good NBA player, but I don't think he can be a 'franchise'
savior right out of school.
Now, I'll agree with you on Larry Johnson. That is a M-A-N.
Alaa certainly has helped his cause in this tourney..
JD
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| 135.218 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Mon Mar 26 1990 10:38 | 33 |
|
RE: Wimp Sanderson
Yeah, all 2,323 times they showed that jerk all I could think about was
the "West Virginia Application for Citizenship" that was in here awhile
back. I still wonder how many cars he has on blocks in his front yard.
RE: ACC getting some respect
You have got to be kidding! Georgia Tech is a very good team but there
should be a monstrous "*" next to their final 4 appearance. Anderson's
shot, after the buzzer, shouldn't have counted. It wasn't even close to
being before the buzzer. Then the one clown wanted to give them the
game right there by calling it a 3-pointer when it was just as obvious
that he was over the line as it was he shot after the buzzer. Did
anyone else notice that two of the refs were from the south? Hmmm, a
southern team playing a northern team in the south with two southern
refs... (I don't know how much some of you know about the south in
regards to the north but they aren't too fond of Yankees. A large
proportion of the population down there is still fighting the civil
war). Then yesterday Tech enjoyed a huge disparity in foul shots. The
icing on the cake was when time was running down, Anderson caught in
the back court, with the 10 seconds running out. Anderson ducks and
throws a shoulder into .......ski (won't try to spell it), who had his
position several seconds earlier and was set. Tweeeeeet! Charging? Of
course not! Foul on a totally befuddled, and rightfully so, .....ski.
Anderson goes to the line to seal the win. To even things out, the tip-
in of the last second desperation shot should have counted, even though
it was after the buzzer.
HOOT
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| 135.219 | | SAGE::ROSS | Carolina, here I come | Mon Mar 26 1990 10:42 | 18 |
| > And Doug - I know you mentioned about Bo Kimble and being a lottery
> guard. I have reservations - he has the tools, he has the body,
I mention him as a lottery pick, only because the papers said
that Gathers got upset when he heard that Kimble was considered a top 5
pick while Hank was a 10-15.
Kimble seems to be a good rebounder for a guard {reminds of
DrJ the way he snares them}, a good open court defender, and
a good penetrator and a competent long-range threat. I just
wonder how much is the system and how much is Bo... I'd want
to see him in the tryout camps within an NBA offense before
passing judgement.
Larry Johnson is the next James Worthy - except he enjoys
playing and can rebound like a man. :-) All world shoulders
on that guy.
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| 135.220 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Mar 26 1990 11:03 | 24 |
| Re:.215
>Tarkanian took the proper strategy against LMU... Blow them out with
>superior talent early and THEN start worrying about controlling the
>tempo...
Not that I like Wimp a lot, but he did it with what he had. Tark used
the right strategy? Superior talent is not a strategy. I think you
underrated LMU's talents too much and Alabama is no UNLV. Tark's team
can run almost as fast as LMU, but never for Alabama. It's unfair to
compare UNLV a team with 4 or so future NBA players to Alabama which
probably will not have one, and then call it Tark's more proper
strategy.
>Did anyone else see CBS's shameless act in the second half of
>LMU/UNLV? When it was apparent that Loyola's season was over,
>the cameras were trained on a UNLV cheerleader suffering from
>cancer {I think} who is the unofficial coach. Please! Let's
>stick to basketball and not melodrama.
I did not see what was wrong with that.
Charles
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| 135.221 | Blame it on the Civil War, eh Hoot? Sheesh. | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Mon Mar 26 1990 11:19 | 24 |
| Hoot,
You're making some pretty ridiculous accusations saying the refs saw it
Tech's way cause they're from the south. Do you *really *believe that?
(I doubt it.) The shot by Anderson was *close*, though I'll grant you
it was probably after the buzzer. But when you consider the difficulty
of the officials in that situation (concentrating on the 3-point line,
a possible foul, crowd noise, etc, etc) I hardly think it warrants a
"They're from the south and consciously scored it a hoop cause they
hate the north" comment. Absurd. And credit to Steve Smith, who said
after the game that the refs were not to blame for the loss. (Heck, he
coulda won it with his free throws, and the hoop only tied the game, so
they coulda won in OT. I woulda expected an easier time for the Big10
winner playing the 3rd best team in the ACC - can't count postseason
tourney's when comparing the conferences, no cain we? - that has zero
inside game.
The call that put Anderson to the line was a good one IMO. ?ski
didn't seem to me to have well-established position. Nice sour grapes
by Minnesota blaming the refs for the loss BTW. They must be going to
the Clemson School of Excuse Making.
- ACC Chris
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| 135.222 | | REFINE::ASHE | Here he comes... there he goes | Mon Mar 26 1990 11:27 | 4 |
| I didn't see anything wrong with it either. I thought it was an
interesting story last year and I'm sure people (I was anyway) what
happened to her. The game was a 30 pt. blowout at that point. If
it were a 2 pt. game, I might see the beef...
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| 135.223 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | WON MAN ISS NO TOO BLAM! YUO AR!! | Mon Mar 26 1990 11:29 | 6 |
| This has been an INCREDIBLE tourney. It's something like 23 games that
have been decided by three points or less and/or overtime. I don't know how
these kids can maintain such a high level of emotion and competence over such a
prolonged period of time. I am emotionally drained, and I'm just WATCHING!
Mike JN
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| 135.224 | Parity leads to great games, but no great teams. | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Mon Mar 26 1990 11:33 | 41 |
| Have to agree with Mr. Lazarus' comments regarding the Final 4. It
really reinforces my long-held belief that the NCAA Tournament doesn't
always determine the best team in the country, just the Champion of the
country. If we wanted the best team we'd play 2 outa 3 or something.
Looking at each of the F4 entries, it's hard to make a case that any of
them is deserving of a Title.
UNLV had an easy waltz through the West, but still could've been beaten
by Ball State at the end. A deserving champion? No, but perhaps the
best of the lot.
Georgia Tech has a great 3-some but an embarassing inside game. Against
Minnesota only 4 points were scored by anyone but Oliver, Scott, or
Anderson. Not exactly the footprint of a great team. Plus they got
to the finals in controversial fashion, and have won 3 straight games they
could've just as easily lost. (LSU, Michigan St., Minnesota)
Duke? Gimme a break. Once again they got a great draw and make it to
the finals after beating only 1 high caliber team. Heck, we beat the
Nerds twice this year, once in a humiliating blow-out and the other
time in Cameron. They didn't win the ACC tourney or regular season.
Arkansas? Nope. They beat Princeton by 4 and Dayton by 2 before
blowing out an inferior Carolina team. They've had the homecourt edge
through the entire bracket (as did Texas, facks DocZero doesn't seem to
consider important in touting the success of these SWC teams) and
struggled to beat TomPenders Long Horn squad. Don't know of anybody
who thinks Texas brings back memories of the '76 Hoosiers or Lew
Alcinder Bruins.
Guess the question is why are the great teams unable to make it through
the tourney anymore. The answer to me is that there simply are no
great teams. Parity has taken hold of the NCAA, which, while
creating fantastic games, leaves one feeling that, this year at
least, there's no team that can be considered "great".
Hopefully the 90's edition of the Tar Heels, with one of the All-Time
best recruiting classes coming in, will change that.
- ACC Chris
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| 135.225 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | WON MAN ISS NO TOO BLAM! YUO AR!! | Mon Mar 26 1990 11:42 | 12 |
| � If we wanted the best team we'd play 2 outa 3 or something.
Chris,
Even then there'd be arguments.
Look at the World Series. How many 7 game series have there been?
If your team goes into game seven, and gets beat by a sacrifice fly in
the bottom of the ninth, the other team might be the Champs, but you would
never agree that they were `the Best'.
Mike JN
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| 135.226 | | SAGE::ROSS | Carolina, here I come | Mon Mar 26 1990 11:45 | 16 |
| > <<< Note 135.222 by REFINE::ASHE "Here he comes... there he goes" >>>
>
> I didn't see anything wrong with it either. I thought it was an
> interesting story last year and I'm sure people (I was anyway) what
> happened to her. The game was a 30 pt. blowout at that point. If
> it were a 2 pt. game, I might see the beef...
>
If Loyola were winning, would we have seen her, or would we have been
subjected to the ghostly image of Hank Gathers watching over his team
like we saw on Friday night? My point is that CBS loves to have a
dead teammate/ill cheerleader "story"? Do they really care about the
person? Why didn't they change the 1000 buck scholarship award to
both teams every game to go to Gathers' family? Why didn't we see
the sick girl earlier? The timing and the sincerity are both suspect
in my view...
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| 135.227 | I'll be watching that all-star recruiting class...... | WXYZ::METZGER | Zeese trophies are not for bowling... | Mon Mar 26 1990 11:51 | 25 |
|
don't agree with you chris...
while their might not be any great powerhouse teams in the tourney I still
think that the team that wins it is the best college hoops team in the country.
Thye proved the fact by winning the tourney. This isn't no stinkin football
champeenship determined by the sportwriters...this is a honest to goodness
tournament that determines the best college hoop team in the country.
You can piss and moan all you want about seedings and home court and such but
the best team in the country is one that can overcome all that and still win
the tourny. If a team can't overcome a bad seeding then they aren't the best
team.
fact of the matter is that Duke is in the final 4 (along with the others)
and UNC isn't. While this alone doesn't guarentee that duke is better than UNC
if duke wins the whole ball of wax I'd say that they are better.
just one mans HO,
Metz
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| 135.228 | | COOKIE::MJOHNSTON | WON MAN ISS NO TOO BLAM! YUO AR!! | Mon Mar 26 1990 11:53 | 12 |
| The media will do almost anything for a story. It was the same thing
with the Sal Aunese death at CU. I can understand how the players might rally
around, dedicate the season in memorium, and ride the emotion of the moment
(it beats the hell out of falling into depression and disintegrating as a
team).
The media just never lets up, though. They yap on and on about it until
you're just sick of the whole thing. I know they need (or think they need) to
fill airtime, but the way they go about it.... it's like picking somebody
else's nose... faintly disgusting.
Mike JN
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| 135.229 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Mon Mar 26 1990 12:03 | 17 |
| >dead teammate/ill cheerleader "story"? Do they really care about the
>person? Why didn't they change the 1000 buck scholarship award to
>both teams every game to go to Gathers' family? Why didn't we see
>the sick girl earlier? The timing and the sincerity are both suspect
>in my view...
I do not want to defend CBS....they represent to me most of what is bad
in the media....but....
They do not decide who the scholarship should be awarded to. Chevrolet
does. And Gathers' family will get a lot of money from either their
lawsuit or settlement. Money is not the issue here. Your complaint is
quite unfair and takes away the courage as well as encouragement, and
not to mention joy that many other saw and enjoy in Valerie Pida (think
that's her name).
Charles
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| 135.230 | Will we ever have another unbeaten team? | OURBOX::LAZARUS | Dave Lazarus NYA DSS 321-5183 | Mon Mar 26 1990 12:05 | 20 |
| re. 224
Texas did not have a homecourt edge throughout the bracket.
They beat Purdue at Indiannapolis.
The last "great" college team? Maybe the 1983-4 Georgetown team.
Indiana in 1981 had an awesome run late in the season.
Magic Johnson's MSU team didn't have any tough games in the tournament,
but they lost two or three during the season.
Was Bird's Indiana State team the last to go unbeaten in the regular
season? In the 70's there was an unbelieveable amount of unbeaten
teams. Two Walton UCLA teams,NC State when they were on
probation,Indiana in 1976 and their 1975 team was unbeaten until losing
to Kentucky in the Mideast finals.
UNLV finally played to their ability yesterday and if they do that
again next weekend they should breeze. Is it true that Augmon is only a
junior? That would mean he played on the olympic team after is freshman
year. What a player!
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| 135.231 | Stomper loves defensive players | CNTROL::CHILDS | Big Ten bounced by ACC | Mon Mar 26 1990 12:14 | 5 |
|
Yes, that's true about Augmon and the rumor is that if UNLV draws
probation he's outta there to Georgetown....
mike
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| 135.232 | | SAGE::ROSS | Carolina, here I come | Mon Mar 26 1990 12:21 | 48 |
| > They do not decide who the scholarship should be awarded to. Chevrolet
> does. And Gathers' family will get a lot of money from either their
I know that... but what has CBS done besides give us in-your-face
Hank Gathers from the start of the tournament? The media has
mounted this dead horse better than MrT ever could. :-) Did you
happen to see the number of photographers crushing around the
Loyola team at the end of the game? The feeding frenzy was on.
CBS cameras were poised waiting for the first teardrop to fall
from an LMU eye... I can hear the director now:
"Cut to teardrop."
"Cut to hugging teammates"
"Fade in Gathers' image"
"Cut to teardrop #2"
"Cue "Wind Beneath my Wings" music"
"Cut to sobbing coach"
"Okay, quick cut to UNLV cutting down net"
"Cut to teardrop #3"
Hank Gathers' death is only of importance to his family and his
teammates and his school. It means nothing to CBS beyond cheap
sensationalism.
> Money is not the issue here. Your complaint is
> quite unfair and takes away the courage as well as encouragement, and
> not to mention joy that many other saw and enjoy in Valerie Pida (think
> that's her name).
Again, I say, I question the timing and sincerity of CBS's motives.
If the girl is that important to CBS, why don't they devote a
segment of 60 minutes to her... or might that be a ratings problem?
Would we have seen her if Loyola was winning big? Want to bet we
see her again {and again, and again} next weekend?
Next fall, look for the CBS mini-series...
"Hank Gathers - Heart of Gold" starring Sinbad as
Hank Gathers, Roy Scheider as Paul Westhead, and Denzell
Washington as Bo Kimble.
I could also do without the shots of the coaches wives...
Maybe I'm strange... I watch basketball for the basketball,
not for all the "ironic" and "heart-tugging" stories CBS chooses
to shove down my throat.
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| 135.233 | | FRSBEE::BROOKS | LMU, ya did it w/class ! | Mon Mar 26 1990 12:33 | 23 |
| re .232
Hate to admit it, but I do agree with you Doug, and that Hank Gather
mini-series has me floorwaard !
UNLV simply played at as close to 100% as they could play, and their
inside game was too much for LMU. From a basketball standpoint,
they really missed Gathers in this game. UNLV got at least 20 baskets
on shot jumpers and layins - in the 1/2 court game. LMU would have
had to play perfect ball to stay close, and they got into foul trouble
(they were some real cheap calls early by the refs, as they were
establishing a whistle-happy pace), and IMO tried TOO hard to force
the tempo.
UNLV played great defense on the perimiter, and the LM point guards
did not play very smart at all. LMU should have tried to take it
inside a lot more off of picks and drives. Westhead definitely was
outcoached, and didn't seem to make adjustments to UNLV's defense.
And that's where I really ahd a problem with Bweent and Billy
FudgePacker (tm) - they did not speak AT ALL to the issue of the
tempo and coaching decisions during the game. Just basic cliches'
and a few obvious facts ....
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| 135.234 | CBS coverage blasted by local press | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Mon Mar 26 1990 12:47 | 18 |
| � And that's where I really ahd a problem with Bweent and Billy
� FudgePacker (tm) - they did not speak AT ALL to the issue of the
� tempo and coaching decisions during the game. Just basic cliches'
� and a few obvious facts ....
The TV Sports critic for the Austin paper has had a field day pointing
this out during the entire CBS coverage of the tournament. He even
pointed out out-and-out mistakes made by commentators such as mixing up
tournament seedings. More than one game was called an upset even
though the winning team was a higher seed. A match up between a 4 and
10 (or something like that) was described as being a good, tight game
and that nothing less would be expected from a matchup between the 7th
and 8th seeds.
One of Mussberger's comments which struck me as funny at the time was
when a player was fouled in the LMU/UNLV game. The guy was obviously
hit in the face on the play and Brent says "It appears that he was
struck somewhere in the facial area".
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| 135.235 | The Tark is Vegas personified... | DELNI::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Mar 26 1990 12:55 | 21 |
|
Personally, I preferred the gripping story of Mr. and Mrs. Tark in the
big city. (Cut to Mrs. Tark wiping her nose with the length of her
arm...sleeveless, no less.)
After seeing LMU for two straight games over the weekend, I really
wonder what they'd be capable of if they played *smart*. This team
apparently does not like to pass the ball. How many times did a
guard charge inside, leaving no out for himself, and then either
commit the charge or cough up the ball? I disagree with Doc's
assertion on the refs-- if these guys could keep up with the pace of
the game and call it like they call every other game, there would
have been about three times more travelling calls and LMU wouldn't
have had any players left for the second half. It was incredibly
sloppy compared with the New Mexico State and Michigan games.
LMU's game may be the style of the 1990's, but the implementation
better be a whole lot better.
glenn
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| 135.236 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Bo knows Fahrvergn�gen's! | Mon Mar 26 1990 13:07 | 11 |
|
BITE THE TOWEL!!!! UNLV in 1990!!! 8^) LMU did play an incredibly
sloppy game against the Rebs. The superior inside force of UNLV
was their downfall. This team is extremely impressive. Their
multifaceted offenses allow them to match up well against any team.
As has been pointed out before, no one works harder and longer on
individual defense than this team.
Ga. Tech should be a great game. The premier back court vs.
the premier frontcourt.
sean
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| 135.237 | Could be worse filler... | REFINE::ASHE | Here he comes... there he goes | Mon Mar 26 1990 14:47 | 4 |
| I don't mind the shots of non-players because they're a part of the
story too. Just don't overdo it. I'd rather see that than reminders
of how much money player x will make someday or how much that
conference will make by having n teams this far in the tournament.
|
| 135.238 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Mon Mar 26 1990 15:17 | 5 |
| TV sports needs to have a story line in addition to the game, both
to humanize the contest and also to attract the casual fan. I agree
that they sometimes overdo it.
John
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| 135.239 | Arkansas to spank Puke | PHILEM::SAPP | Get the point?Good,let's dance!! | Mon Mar 26 1990 18:20 | 9 |
| Duke is history Saturday.The only reason they won is because they've
been in the big games more than UCONN.If Tate George holds on to that
pass it's UCONN and Arkansas in the final four.It was a joke seeing
Abdulskamy dominating in the low post,and that was because UCONN has no
big men but the injury plagued Sellars.Hope this helps.................
O_J
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| 135.240 | Take the dog's except for UNLV | JURAN::MCKAY | | Mon Mar 26 1990 22:41 | 7 |
| Just a thought:
Since the conclusion of the first round 20 out of 25 dogs have
covered the spread( the duke uconn game was a pick ). That works out
to $1450 for a $100 dollar bettor. Not too shabby.
Jimbo
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| 135.241 | We're 65th!! We're 65th!!! | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Lisa,get away from that jazzman | Tue Mar 27 1990 11:23 | 9 |
| Anyone see the St. Louis - New Mexico game last night? Anthony
Bonner of St. Louis was awesome last night. He was the nations leading
rebouder this year with 13.7 or something like that, and he
had 19 last night. Reminds me of Larry Johnson, big, thick shoulders,
big arms, extremely strong hands. Drills anything within 15 ft.
Gets out on the break, outlet passes for the break, had 6 or 7
assists last night to go with his 23+ pts and 19 bounds. WOW.
Rich
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| 135.242 | | GENRAL::GIBSON | | Tue Mar 27 1990 11:42 | 8 |
|
Mike C.,
If UNLV goes on probation and Augman is a junior, can he transfer and
play next year? I thought that if a player transferred, he had to sit
out a year. Or, is "probation" the clearing house?
HOOT
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| 135.243 | LMU style hitting the playground? | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Tue Mar 27 1990 12:08 | 19 |
| Got to thinking about LMU and their brand of ball last night while
playing some pickup hoops. After not seeing the ball for about the
10th straight time down court (despite being wide open for an easy
layup a couple of times) I got to thinking about the effect Loyola
might be having here.
Just like Bird & Magic made the pass fashionable, Westhead's style, if
it catches on (God I hope not) could do exactly the opposite. IMHO the
way they play hoops ain't what Dr. Naismith had in mind when he
invented the game. It encourages selfishness, promotes bad defense
(i.e. gamble alot, if you don't get a turnover, who cares),
deemphasizes the pass, and doesn't promote fundamentals. I honestly
hope this style is an aberration and not a trend. I don't find it
particularly fun to watch, and I definitely don't find it any fun to
play.
- ACC Chris
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| 135.244 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Larry Bird, Player of the Month | Tue Mar 27 1990 12:11 | 8 |
|
If your team goes on probation you can transfer without loosing
eligbility or sitting out a year usually. Of course don't put it
past the NCAA to handle each case differently. Case in point Kentucky
was put on probation this year, Leron Ellis transfered to SorryExcuse
(tm) and played immediately....
mike
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| 135.245 | ~/~ | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Big Mac | Tue Mar 27 1990 12:50 | 1 |
| Chris, maybe noone *wanted* to pass you the ball.
|
| 135.246 | | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Tue Mar 27 1990 13:00 | 6 |
| That hurt Keith. It really did.
;^(
- ACC Chris
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| 135.247 | Either that, or you just plain sip! :-) | SASE::SZABO | Have you had your fahrvergn�gen today? | Tue Mar 27 1990 13:36 | 5 |
| ACChris, do you sometimes suffer from can't_find_the_hole_itis?
:-)
H�wk
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| 135.248 | Go ahead, get yer cheap shots in. :^| | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Tue Mar 27 1990 13:44 | 14 |
| Negative Hawkster. I can shoot fine, but being a Dean disciple
like to work for the best shot. Believe me, my teammates were not of
like mind last night.
- ACC Chris
BTW - For you DEC hoopsters out there, I played on the Refugees last
year (starting point guard mind you) that struggled through a
mediocre regular season (15-7, I think) but put together an end-
of-season peak to win the the whole darn enchilada, beating
the supposedly unbeatable Running Rebels 2 straight in the
Champeenship!!!
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| 135.249 | many smiles | LEVERS::STROUT | Bo knows Fahrvergn�gen's! | Tue Mar 27 1990 13:53 | 5 |
| Chris, I didn't know they allowed DECsters to play Elementary
school basketball??? I heard that starting line up for the
East Elementary Running Rebs was pretty brutal, featuring the
multitalents of 5th grade forward sensation 4'10" Punkie Brewster.
How'd you ever do it?
|
| 135.250 | I have no pride. | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Tue Mar 27 1990 14:21 | 8 |
| Yea, but you shoulda seen my post-up game 'gainst Punkie. Had that kid
crying for momma by the time I was done with him.
;^)
- ACC Chris
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| 135.251 | | VIEW3D::MACGREGOR | | Tue Mar 27 1990 14:27 | 3 |
| That's because you swung your elbows into his head. You brute you.
The Wizard
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| 135.252 | Not a bunch a ball hogs ... | FRSBEE::BROOKS | Not George Bush, dummy ..BROOKS ! | Tue Mar 27 1990 14:34 | 28 |
| Yo Chris, did your nickname, "The Human Turnover" have anything
to do with your teammmates reluctance ? :-)
Rumor also had it that you've invented a new shot :
The AirBrick.
Y'all can figure it out .... :-)
=========
re. LMU
Chris, take a closer look at LMU. Normally, they are a very unselfish
team, that in fact passes quite frequently to get the shot they
want. The UNLV game was not LMU at their best. Bo Kimble, for example,
is one of the most unselfish mega-scorers that I've seen. The
basketball is not a black hole when it gets near him, unlike many
other players I've seen.
Another thing, LMU generates a lot of points off their D - take
another look at them.
I get the impression that the UNLV game was the first time you had
a chance to see LMU at length - that's a pity. Their style is much
better than you give it credit for ....
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| 135.253 | | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Tue Mar 27 1990 15:23 | 9 |
| I'm only aware of the fack that I didn't get the ball enough last
night.
;^)
- ACC Chris
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| 135.254 | | REFINE::ASHE | Do the hustle... | Tue Mar 27 1990 16:22 | 1 |
| So where are you know? league wise....
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| 135.255 | | OURGNG::J_WARDLE | Better get a T-O Baby!!! | Tue Mar 27 1990 16:32 | 12 |
| Hey ACC_Chris,
Not to rub it in, but our team is City Champs for the second straight
year....
Digital Slamhounds '89 - 9 Wins, 0 Losses
Digital Slamhounds '90 - 9 Wins, 0 Losses
This is not in a DEC league....it's in the Colorado Springs City
League.
JoJ
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| 135.256 | HoopsManiaII coming this August | CNTROL::CHILDS | Larry Bird, Player of the Month | Wed Mar 28 1990 07:01 | 4 |
|
Jim what are doing you playing in a Women's league again?
mike
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| 135.257 | | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Wed Mar 28 1990 07:37 | 19 |
| > So where are you now?
I'm playing in the Wills Park Monday night pick-up hoops league, in
good ole Roswell, Georgia. It's a funny "league". Seems like every
Monday I end up on a different team, ... as does just about everybody
else! ;^)
> Not to rub it in, ... Women's League ... Digital Slamhounds ... 9-0
Not to discredit you or nothin' JoJ, but I just cain't get excited
'bout a team called the "Slamhounds" that plays in a women's league
and only plays nine games a year. What'd all your other games get
cancelled cause of snow or something? (i.e. not enough people
available to shovel the courts?) Heh heh! ;^)
- ACC Chris
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| 135.258 | | OURGNG::J_WARDLE | Better get a T-O Baby!!! | Wed Mar 28 1990 08:55 | 12 |
| Chris,
First of all, it ain't a womans league. But if it was, we'd still be
9-0.
As for Slamhounds...we are a bunch of slow white MBA's and we play the
team game very well. In fack, Chris, if you were on our team and you
were open, we would pass to you. Get off that Payola Moneycount clone
team that you play for and get on a real team like...THE UNDEFEATED
REPEAT CHAMPION SLAMHOUNDS FROM COLORADO SPRINGS!
JoS
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| 135.259 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Wed Mar 28 1990 09:21 | 3 |
| Hey JimWa, you think the Slumhounds could take on UNLV?
/D�n
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| 135.260 | | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Wed Mar 28 1990 09:30 | 36 |
| Yea, they play a different brand of ball down here in Dixie. There are
several ingredients:
1. There's no such thing as a bad shot, unless it's taken by somebody
else.
2. Cherry picking (basket hanging, whadever you want to call it) is
not only not condemned, but encouraged.
3. The score of the game is most often determined by the team with
the strongest will. i.e. "It's 6-5. No, it's 6-6. No, it's 6-5.
No, it's 6-6. No, it's ......... etc, etc. (The same is true of
fouls, BTW.)
4. If you're open, shoot. Doesn't matter if somebody's wide open for a
lay-up or any easier shot. I remember one of my first games at
Wills I passed up a 10-footer and heard a simultaneous mumbling of
explictives which, while hard to understand, was basically "Aw man,
shoot that ball man, awww, sheesh, man, etc, etc.".
There are some humorous aspects to all of this though. For example,
since there's usually alot of people waiting to play, watching the game
in process becomes a major entertainment source, rather than just
something to ignore until the next time you play. As such, the crowd
starts rooting for a team (always the underdog) and gets
involved. This little dude kept hitting shots the other night
(banking 'em in from the top of the key and other assorted rubish) that
had the gym rockin'!
Anyway, sounds like you Colorado dudes play me and Dean's game. (i.e.
search out that high percentage shot). Unfortunately, when you're in
Rome you gots to do as a Roman, and down here that means shoot de ball.
- ACC Chris
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| 135.261 | U.N.L.V. National Champions! | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Bump and Grind till there is no more! | Mon Apr 02 1990 21:23 | 7 |
|
U.N.L.V. in a runaway!!!! Duke didn't even show up! The score
isn't even an issue...
Oh well, there's always next year!(ha).
B.A.
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| 135.262 | The score please?????? | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Mon Apr 02 1990 21:27 | 6 |
| For those people who are working nights....
please let us know the score!!!
rub
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| 135.263 | | DEMING::MCKAY | | Mon Apr 02 1990 21:44 | 3 |
| the score was 103 - 73 Runnin Reb's
Jimbo
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| 135.264 | Random thoughts of an idle mind... | SHALOT::MEDVID | he buys love to sell tomorrow | Mon Apr 02 1990 22:20 | 52 |
| Some thoughts:
Epitomizing moment: Laittner gets smacked in the face by an
errant high five.
Duke showed a lot of class. Unlike some teams would have, they didn't
let absolute frustration get to them and start pushing and shoving and
fouling particularly hard. I thought UNLV was a bit obnoxious with the
blatant, in-your-face celebration with 3� minutes left...but I must
admit, the game was over long before.
During the first half, my girlfriend asked me why the two UNLV players
were on their knees pounding their hands on the floor. I replied,
"They are happy," and after thinking a second, added,"and
undisciplined."
Playing like they did tonight, UNLV could beat 25% of the NBA teams.
Billy termed it best: a clinic.
Why did Billy have to taint Tark's success by saying at the end: "A
well-deserved championship regardless of the troubles plaguing the
program."
Imagine how Ball State must feel.
Watching the replay of last year's final four on ESPN at 8:00 made me
wonder how Ramone Ramos is doing. Is he still in a coma?
The best commercial of the final four, IMHO, was for Mercedes: "Some
Mercedes endurance records take a lifetime to establish...some are
established overnight." Great visuals and terrific script.
If Duke doesn't have a replacement for Abdalnaby, they can say goodbye
to the final four for awhile.
If Larry Johnson turns pro, he will be taken in the top three. Only
Coleman and Felton Spencer are the big men who impressed me as much
this whole year.
After the game, Krzyzewski said "Jerry and his kids" were great. I
thought that didn't happen 'til Labor Day.
The local news just showed the Duke campus. About 30 students milling
around a bon fire. Hauntingly quiet. Then they showed clips of the
kids watching the game inside Cameron. They were all hoots and hollars
early. Later on they showed one girl balling like her dog died and
looking like she was ready to slit her wrists.
Pitt will be in the final four next year...OK, it doesn't hurt to start
wishing (and praying) now.
--dan'l
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| 135.265 | Clearly, UNLV spanked Duke with an excellent loss. :-) | SASE::SZABO | Have you had your fahrvergn�gen today? | Tue Apr 03 1990 07:14 | 1 |
|
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| 135.266 | Billy Packr is a gentlean and scholar! | FTMUDG::DUGGAN | | Tue Apr 03 1990 07:33 | 20 |
| Now THAT was basketball. Run up and down the court, shooting away, then
go back and play NASSSSSSSTy defense. That is the way the game should
be played. Run. Run. Run.
A couple of observations:
First, remember that UNLV did NOT win their conference... New Mexico
State did. By virtue of the tiebreakers, NMSU was awarded the
conference championship and first seed inthe conference tournament. I
would never go so far as to say the Aggies are better than the Rebs,
especially after last night, but my point is that we may be seeing
another shift, with Western conferences getting their share of the
acclaim again.
Second, and to reinforce the first, Billy said that the best game he
saw all year was when the Rebs came to Las Cruces and LOST to the
Aggies.
...mike the Aggie
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| 135.267 | UNC: Team of the 90's. | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Tue Apr 03 1990 08:02 | 39 |
| As an ACC fan I feel bad that a conference member lost in the finals.
As a Carolina fan it's very difficult to feel sad whenever the Nerds
get their butts kicked, which is obviously what happened last night.
How can a team on a 5-game winning streak play as poorly as Duke did
last night? Dunno, but the word "C H O K E" is on the tip of my
tongue. I can see getting beat, but they were humiliated. Course,
this isn't the first time this has happened to 'em this year. (The
Heels blew them away earlier in the year in case anyone forgets,
jumping out to a whopping 25-point 1st half lead. My was that sweet!)
Anyway congratulations are in order for UNLV which clearly
demonstrated they were the #1 team in the country. Awesome motherload
of talent. That kid Anderson "Ketchup" Hunt (;^)) is terrific, and
Larry Johnson and Stacey Augman are NBA players still in college.
And yes, congrats to the Nerds who, while gaining a reputation similar
to the Denver Broncos, have put together an impressive run of
Final 4 appearances. 4 outa 5 is just about unprecedented in this day
and age of parity. I'm looking forward to the day their AD gets off
the NCAA selection committee, but they still had to win a tough game or
2 along the way.
Looking ahead for Duke next year I do see trouble, but it's not cause
they lost Alaa. They also lose Henderson and Brickey, both significant
contributors. They'll be replaced by some excellent talent though, and
they've got a phenom coming in next year by the name of Grant Hill who
will probably compensate nicely for the lost forwards.
BUT, ... I see trouble at the point guard spot. Bobby Hurley is NOT a
good shooter. Not even a decent one. Next year I predict teams are
gonna start sagging off him King Rice-style. I almost fell off my
chair when I heard he hadn't made a field goal since the UCLA game.
He shot under 40% from the floor this year, which is not the trademark
of an outstanding point guard. We'll see, but keep your eye out.
(Plus he's got the ultimate crybaby face! ;^) )
- ACC Chris
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| 135.268 | | OURGNG::J_WARDLE | Broncos,Vikings,Blue_Devils | Tue Apr 03 1990 08:11 | 7 |
| After all the hoopla, the game sucked the big one. Duke had 12 first
half turnovers, and it seemed like they all resulted in UNLV jams.
Welp.....hopefully I'll get tickets to next years final four at the
Hoosierdome.
JoJ
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| 135.269 | Offense fills the seats; defense wins games | FTMUDG::DUGGAN | | Tue Apr 03 1990 08:31 | 11 |
| There are two ways to look at it. One is that the game sucked. I can
see some validity in that.
But the other way to look at it is that UNLV's DEFENSE (yeah, DEFENSE)
caused Duke to look as bad as it did. ANd that is what I think
happened. The disciplined opportinistic press (made possible by those
AMAZING quick guards) just took Duke right out of the court.
Pro-quality defense will do that every time.
...mike the aggie and GO Big West!
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| 135.270 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Bite the Towel! UNLV roolz! | Tue Apr 03 1990 08:36 | 16 |
| Funny no one made the comparison of Duke to the Broncos... pretty
ironic that the game was played in Denver, too.
Augmon is an incredible athlete. I hate to agree with Packer
but his fast break finishes are the finest I've seen in the NCAA
for quite a while.
Johnson was raining those 3 pointers down with zero effort last
night... Let's hope he doesn't decide to go to the NBA this year!
All in all a great game played by UNLV. They have one of the
strongest frontcourts around, which makes up for the lack of height.
Congrats UNLV. Pretty classy move on UNLV's part to wear the black
patches in memory of Hank and to have #44 etched on some players
hand bands.
sean
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| 135.271 | | OURGNG::J_WARDLE | Broncos,Vikings,Blue_Devils | Tue Apr 03 1990 08:49 | 5 |
| >> Funny no one made the comparison of Duke to the Broncos... pretty
Pardon me, but did you catch my new p-name...?
JoJ
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| 135.272 | misery loves company | GENRAL::WADE | Jests,Yanks,Wardles,WimpsRUs | Tue Apr 03 1990 08:53 | 3 |
| Go Blue Devils! My new, favorite college b-ball team!
Claybone
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| 135.273 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Bite the Towel! UNLV roolz! | Tue Apr 03 1990 09:02 | 8 |
|
re: .271
It's just starting to register.. 8^) Anyone see the pre game
Rumble in the Rockies show on ESPN? They should be fired for saying
"Babbbbby!" so many times 8^)
sean
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| 135.274 | sean battles C Washburn for SAT reading retention ;^) | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Tue Apr 03 1990 09:02 | 7 |
| > Funny no one made the comparison of Duke to the Broncos...
(From .267)
And yes, congrats to the Nerds who, while gaining a reputation similar
to the Denver Broncos, have put together an impressive run of
Final 4 appearances.
|
| 135.275 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Bite the Towel! UNLV roolz! | Tue Apr 03 1990 09:08 | 3 |
| Chris, Duke, as always, was just glad to be there. 8^)
sean
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| 135.276 | just stirring a little... | WXYZ::METZGER | Zeese trophies are not for bowling... | Tue Apr 03 1990 09:30 | 14 |
|
> Anyway congratulations are in order for UNLV which clearly
> demonstrated they were the #1 team in the country.
chris...
what happend to last weeks stance that the tourney winner wasn't neccesarily
the best team in the country ?
~/~
metz
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| 135.277 | | CSCOA3::ROLLINS_R | B.Knight: C.Williams's speechwriter | Tue Apr 03 1990 09:34 | 5 |
| > what happend to last weeks stance that the tourney winner wasn't neccesarily
> the best team in the country ?
They aren't necessarily the same team; however, UNLV has demonstrated that,
for this year, they are the same.
|
| 135.278 | Chris, give credit where it's due ! | LUNER::BROOKS | No, idiot ! Not Bush ...BROOKS ! | Tue Apr 03 1990 09:50 | 25 |
| Chris, to say that Duke choked is ridiculous. UNLV was teh superior
team going in, and played their best game - exactly the way a champion
should.
UNLV's defense was *superb*, they had Hurley picking up the dribble
near midcourt quite often, and their guards are so good, that they
could extend their defense out to the three-point line and beyond,
AND LOSE NOTHING.
And that, Chris is the main reason why UNLV was so dominant.
In addition, Hunt really stepped forward in the title game like
a champion, in fact, since the LMU game, he has been the top guard
in the tourny, giving the Rebs a outside threat to go with the
brillance of Augmon and Johnson.
BTW, I give high marks to Coach K for his post-game comments. He
was honest as hell, and pulled no punches. It takes a lot of class
to say what he did - I can think of a lot of coaches who would have
made excuses, or soemthing. He didn't.
Given the class Duke showed in defeat, it's hard to believe that
Coach K was a Bobby Knight disciple isn't it ? :-)
DrM
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| 135.279 | Rebels are champs. Let the NCAA investigation begin! | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Tue Apr 03 1990 09:50 | 11 |
| If you'll remember Metz, I did say that, of the 4, UNLV was the most
deserving. My only reservation was that they almost got beat by Ball
State. While this game was close, UNLV was pretty much in control. It
would've taken a miracle desperation shot for Ball State to tie (or
possibly win with a 3).
Based on their man-handling of Duke & Tech, I'm willing to concede
they're a deserving #1. (Pretty big of me, huh? ;^) )
- ACC Chris
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| 135.280 | Class <> CoachK | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Tue Apr 03 1990 10:00 | 27 |
| Slow down DocZilch. I never said the loss was the result of a choke.
They could've lost without choking. What I *DID* say was to ride a
5-game winning streak and get humiliated they way they did made me
consider the fact that the Nerds might've choked.
What's your definition of choke anyway? Mine is coming out and playing
as tight as a piano string, which is exactly what they did. The big
guys played passive, the guards were firing up air balls, Hurley looked
lost, committing turnovers and, as you pointed out, picking up his
dribble too soon. However you cut it, Duke played awful. Whether it
was an outright "choke" or not is somewhat irrelevant.
Figures you'd jump on the CoachK bandwagon Doc0000000000000000000000.
Sheesh. We're talking about a guy who pulled the school newspaper in
for a good ole tongue lashing, cause they had the nerve to critique his
players. Sure he's great at spin control with the media. Big deal.
Getting beat as badly as he did what excuses could he possible have
made without sounding ridiculous?
No 0, if you're looking for class you'll have to head southwest from
the Duke campus about 8 miles or so, as the crow flies. His name is
Dean and right now he's licking his chops thinking about the talent
that's rolling into town in about 5 months.
- ACC Chris
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| 135.281 | just more ammo for the cannon | CNTROL::CHILDS | Pudgy's is BACK, free eats tonight | Tue Apr 03 1990 10:02 | 7 |
|
yeah and we're all licking our chops at all the choke jobs Deanho
will pull with that squad.....
;^)
mike
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| 135.282 | | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Lisa,get away from that jazzman | Tue Apr 03 1990 10:09 | 2 |
|
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| 135.283 | | FTMUDG::REED | OklaSt--#29 NCAA Wrestling Championship | Tue Apr 03 1990 10:12 | 6 |
| The flatlanders from Duke seems to run out of gas early while UNLV
didn't look like the altitude affected them. Anyone know how the
two schools compare, elevation-wise, to MileHigh?
Cowboy
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| 135.284 | | FTMUDG::DUGGAN | | Tue Apr 03 1990 10:20 | 3 |
| Duke is in Durham, with an altitude of less than 1000' (I think.)
Las Vegas is at 2020' altitude, but UNLV plays a game each year at Las
Cruces, N.M. at 4700' and at Logan, Utah, which is over 4000'.
|
| 135.285 | | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Lisa,get away from that jazzman | Tue Apr 03 1990 10:20 | 6 |
| Damn, I hate when that happens :-) Duke was outplayed. Period.
UNLV shot >60%. Duke didnt have a chance from the start. Duke's
problem seemed to be that Henderson didnt get untracked, therefore
allowing UNLV's amoeba defense to dominate.
OAKLAND_Raider_Rich
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| 135.286 | Clearly, it's a tainted victory....... | SASE::SZABO | Have you had your fahrvergn�gen today? | Tue Apr 03 1990 10:56 | 9 |
| Damn, I knew it would come, a legit reason........ Put an * on this
BABY! UNLV plays in altitudes at least twice that of Duke, and several
games at 3-4 times Duke's altitude. Clearly, this is an advantage that
must be noted in the books......
And, did you see that guy on UNLV sweat, you know, the one who screamed
everytime he ripped down a bound? He musta been on cocaine.... :-)
H�wk
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| 135.287 | Gasping for air | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Tue Apr 03 1990 10:57 | 5 |
| Yeah, I agree, Duke had a hard time breathing. But I think
they would've had a hard time breathing if the game was played below
sea level.
/Don
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| 135.288 | Thanks for _clearing_ that up there, Slasher! | SASE::SZABO | Have you had your fahrvergn�gen today? | Tue Apr 03 1990 11:20 | 1 |
|
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| 135.289 | Not much air there | MAMIE::WENTZELL | That rabbit's DYNAMITE! | Tue Apr 03 1990 11:24 | 11 |
|
> Yeah, I agree, Duke had a hard time breathing. But I think
>they would've had a hard time breathing if the game was played below
>sea level.
> /Don
Yeah, I can see where playing underwater may be tough.
;^)
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| 135.290 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Bite the Towel! UNLV roolz! | Tue Apr 03 1990 11:25 | 2 |
| Did Hurley go without scoring a FG? I lost track within the
last couple of minutes. thanks.
|
| 135.291 | respectable man, NCAA needs more coaches like him | UPWARD::HEISER | Shut up! I'm doing a Nike commercial! | Tue Apr 03 1990 11:30 | 10 |
| > <<< Note 135.278 by LUNER::BROOKS "No, idiot ! Not Bush ...BROOKS !" >>>
> BTW, I give high marks to Coach K for his post-game comments. He
> was honest as hell, and pulled no punches. It takes a lot of class
> to say what he did - I can think of a lot of coaches who would have
> made excuses, or soemthing. He didn't.
DrM, I agree 100%! Shashevski (;-)) said a lot of great things about
UNLV that were probably tough to stay, but honest!
Mike
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| 135.292 | | COMET::JOHNSTON | namby-pamby bedwetting WHAT?!!? | Tue Apr 03 1990 11:44 | 16 |
| That didn't look anything like the Duke team I saw playing in their
previous two games.
They choked.
They took the tip, moved upcourt, and BONK!... off the rim. Next
possession...BONK! Off the rim. UNLV defense was good, but Duke sucked big
time. Zero to little movement away from the ball, horrendous passing, half the
time, it looked like they just couldn't get a handle on the ball. And they
never came out of it. Laettner alone must have missed ten shots from right
underneath. I was disappointed. I had picked UNLV to win, but would not have
been a bit upset if it had been Duke. I was just hoping for some great hoops.
Luckily, I was able to drink a lot of great beer (Dos Equis) so the evening
wasn't a total loss.
Mike JN
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| 135.293 | A good coach will get his team to the FF..... | SASE::SZABO | Have you had your fahrvergn�gen today? | Tue Apr 03 1990 11:44 | 10 |
| Say what you will about Hurley and the fact that he possesses no
offensive threat, but he impressed me with the hustle he exhibited for
the *whole* game. The UNLV guards are the quickest that I've seen in a
while, and Hurley's determination to stay with them every step was
admirable. Had the other 4 Duke players on the floor shown the same
intensity, they could've remained competitive. I think this kid is the
key to Duke seeing the Final Four again in the next few years, that is,
if he develops a confident jump-shot.
H�wk
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| 135.294 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Bite the Towel! UNLV roolz! | Tue Apr 03 1990 11:52 | 5 |
| H�wk, I wasn't slamming Hurley, I was just wondering if he got
a field goal in the game or not. He is definitely an offensive
threat when he is healthy.
sean
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| 135.295 | | SASE::SZABO | Have you had your fahrvergn�gen today? | Tue Apr 03 1990 11:58 | 11 |
| Sean, actually, I wasn't retorting to anyone regarding Hurley, it
justed came out that way..... :-)
I didn't realize that he is an offensive threat (already). I'll have
to keep a closer eye on him nexted year.
Now, Henderson, on the other hand, was a disappointment. I think it
was the Slasher who called it yesterday, that he only shows up every
3rd game. He musta been watching too much Larry Bird...... :-)
H�wk
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| 135.296 | | CAM::WAY | Outfielder in the Bourbon | Tue Apr 03 1990 11:58 | 9 |
| I'd like to hear more about the player who was on cocaine, screaming
as he pulled down rebounds... that truly sounded like the most
interesting aspect of the game.
Me? Oh, I watched Prime Time Wrassling.... I'd rather see men who
are on steroids than athletes on cocaine, screaming when they
pull down rebounds....
8^)
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| 135.298 | From now on, I'm taking it when I cain get it! :-) | SASE::SZABO | Have you had your fahrvergn�gen today? | Tue Apr 03 1990 12:06 | 6 |
| 'Saw, I wound up switching to PTW several times trying to salvage some
entertainment value for the evening. Heck, I even passed-up a very
willing wife (musta ran out of headache pills) for what should've
been an evening of championship college basketball! Oh well!
H�wk
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| 135.299 | | LEVERS::STROUT | Bite the Towel! UNLV roolz! | Tue Apr 03 1990 12:08 | 13 |
|
right, Hurley *creates* offense for Duke. He had an off game.
Hard to tell if it was because of his sickness or champeenship game
shakes or both or what. He's a lot like a Stockton or KJ (if I
can use those analogies). He penetrated the lane, picks up defenders
and scoops the ball to the open big man under the basket. 8^)
re: 'Saw
Yeah, Scurry's pretty loud ain't he? It's funny tho' 8^)
sean
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| 135.300 | should have knocked it off and got back to game after | CNTROL::CHILDS | Pudgy's is BACK, free eats tonight | Tue Apr 03 1990 12:11 | 6 |
|
Hawk, you've been married too long...... ;^)
Giantsmania T-shirts this year Hawk, you interested?
mike
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| 135.301 | Move over Bob. Derrick Phelps is taking up residence! | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Tue Apr 03 1990 12:26 | 16 |
| Actually Hawk it was me who was sayin' Hurley's a not-so-hot point
guard. (Guess sean's not the only one who doesn't read my notes. ;^(
)
Anyway don't make it seem like he just had one bad game. He hadn't
made a FG since the UCLA game, shot around 40% this year from the
field, and just doesn't look like he can shoot. I also watched him
completely disintegrate against UNC this year. Overall he's been up
and down and perhaps he's a bit worn down by now, being a freshman (and
kinda a frail one at that). My point is that he's got some work to do
before he convinces me he's one of the top point guards in the ACC, let
alone the USA.
- ACC Chris
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| 135.302 | | LEVERS::STROUT | 5 to 1... 1 in 5... | Tue Apr 03 1990 12:33 | 9 |
| Chris, you write toooo much! 8^) Hurley's not supposed to
be the shooter for the team. He brings the ball up and escapes
the full court pressure. He has remarkably good ball handling skill.
He's also a freshman, in time he'll probably take over more
responsibility for shooting, but as it stands now (or should I say
'stood'), his role is to draw pressure and dish the ball for an
easy 2.
sean
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| 135.303 | people in glass house.... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Pudgy's is BACK, free eats tonight | Tue Apr 03 1990 12:46 | 7 |
|
he's also done more in one year to live up to his potential
than King Rice has in 3 years....
;^)
mike
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| 135.304 | X-Large on the Giantsmania t-shirt! | SASE::SZABO | Have you had your fahrvergn�gen today? | Tue Apr 03 1990 13:16 | 5 |
| HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!1111 Yeah, I "should have knocked it off and got back
to the game after" but, I've been watching Al Bundy, an admirable man,
much too long! :-)
H�wk
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| 135.305 | Cheap shot Mike! | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Tue Apr 03 1990 13:22 | 2 |
|
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| 135.306 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Pudgy's is BACK, free eats tonight | Tue Apr 03 1990 13:26 | 2 |
|
well pay attention to his daughter then will ya....
|
| 135.307 | Deborah Don't Know Hoops | SHALOT::MEDVID | he buys love to sell tomorrow | Tue Apr 03 1990 13:27 | 25 |
| Anyone catch the Today Show at 7:30 EST this morning? If you didn't,
you missed a great "dumb blond" show. Bryant Gumbal is ill, so he's
not hosting. Deborah Norville, therefore, is forced to interview Tark
and Anderson Hunt.
You can tell she is totally reading from notes as she's trying to ask
questions and get a dialogue going. And she's showing a complete
ignorance to the game by the questions she's asking. For instance:
Norville: "Anderson, weren't you surprised at all those three pointers
you made?"
Hunt: "Not really."
Norville: "Come on. At one point you just had to say to yourself
'Sheeeesh!'"
Then she comes to Krzyzewski's name in her notes and totally botches
it. Came out something like Crazuski. Really added that special touch
of realism and concern that all journalists strive for.
Why isn't this lady a stewardess or something? Hell, she's dressed for
it!
--dan'l
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| 135.308 | | SASE::SZABO | Have you had your fahrvergn�gen today? | Tue Apr 03 1990 13:28 | 4 |
| Actually, I wouldn't mind swapping wives with Al Bundy, just for a
week, or two..... :-)
|
| 135.309 | ;^) | CNTROL::CHILDS | Pudgy's is BACK, free eats tonight | Tue Apr 03 1990 13:28 | 2 |
|
|
| 135.310 | | CAM::WAY | Outfielder in the Bourbon | Tue Apr 03 1990 13:42 | 14 |
| Maybe I'm just tooooo single, but my motto is:
Never, never, NEVER, pass it up when you cain get it.
I would have stopped watching UW-HH in the UC if someone there had
been willing at the time (hell, I was tapin it anyway)...
So, remember, certain fun comes too seldom in our lifetime (unless
her name is Maureen....remember my Maureen story Bubba?) and you
have to take what you cain get when you cain get it....
Some Chainsaw Philosophy....
'Saw
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| 135.311 | to think that Jammin was a thing of the past.... | CNTROL::CHILDS | Pudgy's is BACK, free eats tonight | Tue Apr 03 1990 13:48 | 8 |
|
Saw like everything else in life it's overrated, but even bad is
better than none at all.....
if it was me, I'd have waited till 1/2 time took care of business
and got back to the game....
mike
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| 135.312 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Tue Apr 03 1990 14:02 | 14 |
|
You were better off waitin' till after the game, Hawk. Once while
watchin' a game with my wife I thought knockin' off a quickie was
a good idea. That is, until we were escorted out of the Boston
Garden.
Oh, FWIW, the Boston Hearall(tm) had the television ratings for
last Saturday, and the number 1 show for the day was, believe it
or not, "Candlepin Bowling", which finished ahead of the Tournament,
the Bruins-Canadiens game, the Wild World of Sports, and even
wrasslin'. Go figure.
-Dick
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| 135.313 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Is Nothing Sacred? | Tue Apr 03 1990 14:06 | 9 |
|
> been willing at the time (hell, I was tapin it anyway)...
Some days the only choice is to watch the game live, and then view
some sex tapes afterward.
-Dick
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| 135.314 | Take a Goody's! | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Bump and Grind till there is no more! | Tue Apr 03 1990 14:19 | 7 |
| .298� entertainment value for the evening. Heck, I even passed-up a very
.298� willing wife (musta ran out of headache pills) for what should've
Maybe you should have taken the head-ache pills!:*) I'm sure
the Blue devils wanted some...
B.A.
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| 135.315 | | BUILD::MORGAN | | Tue Apr 03 1990 14:45 | 8 |
| The shots of the coaches wives is as outrageous as it can get. They
showed Mrs. Tark sitting there once with her head resting on the hand
rail in front of her. I was waiting for her to pick her head up to
show a damp white towel sticking out of her mouth!
Anderson Hunt reminds me of Ron Harper.
Steve
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| 135.316 | | LUNER::BROOKS | No, idiot ! Not Bush ...BROOKS ! | Tue Apr 03 1990 14:49 | 3 |
| re .315 (Tark's wife w/towel in mouth)
Flooooowaaaaarrd !!!! :-) She caint afford to look any worse !
|
| 135.317 | And he ain't a SOB either!!! 8^ | BAUCIS::SAPP | Get the point?Good,let's dance!! | Tue Apr 03 1990 14:55 | 13 |
| AN awesome display of talent!!!This is one of the best teams I'v e ever
seen!!
The thing is,they'll only get better.All of their key players are
Juniors(Hunt,Anthony,Johnson and of course Augmon).Johnson reminds me
of The TUB,except one difference,Johnson is better!!!
O_J
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| 135.318 | you can't be serious | CNTROL::CHILDS | Pudgy's is BACK, free eats tonight | Tue Apr 03 1990 15:35 | 7 |
|
O_J, please tell me that TUB refers to Barkley so I can keep on
rooooolllllllllllliiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnniiiiiinnnnn!!!!
;^)
mike
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| 135.319 | | BAUCIS::SAPP | Get the point?Good,let's dance!! | Tue Apr 03 1990 19:58 | 6 |
| Yes,Mike I am serious.When Johnson is at Barkleys stage of his
career,NO WAY is the TUB better than Johnson.Larry is headed for
greatness!!!
O_J
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| 135.320 | | MLNCSC::LASAGNA | Hunt-->Moses AAAAAARRRGGHHH !!!! | Wed Apr 04 1990 01:19 | 1 |
|
|
| 135.321 | Sixers 133 Rockets 112...Can anyone stop them? | CNTROL::CHILDS | Those hazy lazy days of summer are here | Wed Apr 04 1990 06:29 | 8 |
|
Johnson doesn't have Barkley's range or ball handling abilities for
starters. I seriously doubt that he or anyone else for that matter
will have Barkley's desire. O_J, we're talking about a guy who deserves
the nba MVP this year, Johnson may be a great player but I doubt that
he'll ever be able to carry a team on his back like Sir Charles....
mike
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| 135.322 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | G.H.C.C - Home of the Chokers! | Wed Apr 04 1990 08:12 | 9 |
| O_J
Sir Charles left for the NBA after his sophmore season, I believe.
He is far and away head, shoulders, and torso above Larry Johnson.
I like Johnson, but Charles is one of the best players in the NBA.
As Mike said, he does it all - and blows Johnson away in ball handling
and passing, and desire.
JD
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| 135.323 | O_J's right on this. | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Wed Apr 04 1990 08:37 | 19 |
| I think the point here is that Larry Johnson has the *potential* to
surpass Barkley's admittedly impressive NBA career. True, he hasn't
done a darn thing yet, ...
BUT, ... I do agree that comparing the 2 in the only way possible
(i.e. comparing Barkley when he was coming out of college and Johnson
as he's coming out - I'm assuming he's going hardship) I'd say Johnson
is better. Barkley was not a college superstar. He didn't make the
Olympic team. In fact, it was at the Olympic tryouts that Barkley
started turning heads, but Fight (tm) kept him off the team supposedly
cause his "D" wasn't up to snuff.
Larry Johnson has all the tools to equal Barkley's outstanding NBA
career. In fact, I'd say it's pretty clear he has more ability. Whether
or not he has the desire that Charles does (i.e. give it 100% every
night out) is open for debate.
- ACC Chris
|
| 135.324 | Bobby "The Weasel" Hurley | SAGE::ROSS | Noting Lambada-style | Wed Apr 04 1990 08:45 | 18 |
|
Sorry I'm late on the Bobby Hurley discussion, but I think we've seen
the peak of his career this year with no improvement in the future.
Terrible shooter... his jumpshot is a line drive and his layups are
of the "fling it up" variety. He can't defend anybody once they cross
the hash marks. I think his passing is helped by defenses that play
him too close.
But what bugs me the most about the guy is that, as the consummate
coach's son, he THINKS he's in control of the whole game. Early in
the second half when Duke still had a prayer of a chance, Hurley would
follow every made UNLV basket by WALKING the ball up the court... Then
when Duke couldn't stop the bleeding, I thought Bobby-boy was going
to pull a pout-muscle after every UNLV hoop.
Trust me. We didn't see the next John Stockton out there... we saw a
guy who's going to disappear by his senior year.
|
| 135.325 | not that bad | AUNTB::HAAS | same as talking to you | Wed Apr 04 1990 08:54 | 7 |
| Bobby Hurley is no James Worthy!
I kinda like Bobby. Sure he stunk up the place in the Final Four, but the
guy was suffering from emission control. I think you can wipe this
performance off.
TTom
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| 135.326 | | WXYZ::METZGER | Zeese trophies are not for bowling... | Wed Apr 04 1990 09:05 | 17 |
|
that's a weasly reply Chris...
Ralph Sampson had the potential to surpass Barkley's NBA career...
You have to remember that Barkley came out as a sophmore. Believe it or not
I already had the round mound predicted as a superstar before he left auburn.
Nobody in the NBA does as much with as little as Barkley. 90% of the NBA forwards
have more "ability" than Barkley. BY ability I mean the NBA 6' 10" + bodies...
When Johnson plays a full season in the NBA then we can start making comparisons
not until....
Metz
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| 135.327 | Johnson is *scary*. | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Wed Apr 04 1990 09:20 | 23 |
| re: Ross & Hurley-the-whiner
Exactly.
re: TTom & emissions control
Hahhah!!!!
re: Metz & Barkley
You're just confirming what I already said, which is basically:
a. Johnson has more ability than Barkley
and
b. Johnson hasn't proven anything yet.
Childs and JD were implying it was a foregone conclusion Johnson
would never be the player Barkley is. I disagree.
- ACC Chris
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| 135.328 | IF YUO THINK YUO CAN DO BETTER WY DONT' YUO? | SASE::SZABO | Have you had your fahrvergn�gen today? | Wed Apr 04 1990 09:41 | 6 |
| JONSIN IS MUCH BETTER THEN BARKLY SER CHARLS DIDNT EVEN MAKE THE
OLIMPIC TEEM! IF YOU WANT MEN LEAVE ME OUT OF THIS! AND HURLY IS NOT
TO BLAM FOR DUKES' LOSS BLAM ABBADABBANABBY AND LATENER! I NO BECAUZE
I CUT HURLYS' GRASS AND HES' A NICE GY SO DONT' BLAM HIM!
RH�WK
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| 135.329 | and I stand by what I've said | CNTROL::CHILDS | Those hazy lazy days of summer are here | Wed Apr 04 1990 10:44 | 11 |
|
When Larry Johnson can take a rebound and go coast to coast with it
might compare him to Barkley. When He can average double figure
rebounds night in and night out against guys bigger than himself
I might consider him comparable to Barkley. When Larry Johnson
can average 25 a game night in and night out against the big boys
I might compare him to Sir Charles. Until then forget it. He shows
great potential as a rebounder and a scorer nothing else. SIR CHARLES
DOES IT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!
mike
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| 135.330 | | IAMOK::AHEARN | Rams vs. Bengals in SB XXV | Wed Apr 04 1990 10:50 | 8 |
| Charles Barley is God!!!
Larry Johnson isn't even an apostle!!!
HTH,
Nelly
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| 135.332 | Johnson ought to try 82 games a year, too ... | SHALOT::HUNT | A single ping please, Vasily. | Wed Apr 04 1990 10:58 | 24 |
| From .329 (Mike Childs) ...
� When Larry Johnson can take a rebound and go coast to coast with it
� might compare him to Barkley. When He can average double figure
� rebounds night in and night out against guys bigger than himself
� I might consider him comparable to Barkley. When Larry Johnson
� can average 25 a game night in and night out against the big boys
� I might compare him to Sir Charles. Until then forget it. He shows
� great potential as a rebounder and a scorer nothing else. SIR CHARLES
� DOES IT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!
He is having an awesome year, ain't he ??? The Sixers have found
the "zone" lately and have kicked their game into a high gear not
seen in Philly since the 1983 "Fo-Fo-Fo" champions.
And, you might also want to add to your above analysis by stating
that ...
"When Larry Johnson can do all these things that Barkley does and
he can do them over an entire 82 game schedule coupled with the
insane NBA travel demands, then we *might* compare him to
Barkley."
Bob Hunt
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| 135.333 | | STRATA::CAPPEL | Hey Baseball, GET A REAL JOB | Wed Apr 04 1990 11:01 | 13 |
| The comment of this note is ACC Chris calling Duke chokers....
This is coming from a fan of a team that has.....
1. Been to the final 4 SEVEN times and came away with one tainted
title.
2. Suffered the 2nd biggest defeat in NCAA tourney history.
3. Probably have been a #1 seed more times in the past 20 years
than any team in the country.
Cap
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| 135.334 | | LEVERS::STROUT | 5 to 1... 1 in 5... | Wed Apr 04 1990 11:07 | 6 |
| > 2. Suffered the 2nd biggest defeat in NCAA tourney history.
Wasn't this the BIGGEST defeat ever in tournament history?
The previous was UCLA's bashing +23 or so...
sean
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| 135.335 | Stupid question | BUILD::MORGAN | | Wed Apr 04 1990 11:28 | 5 |
| We've all heard the talk about Walter Payton giving UNLV a pep talk
before Monday night's game. I've been wondering, what are his ties
with UNLV? Did he go to school there?
Steve
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| 135.336 | | FTMUDG::DUGGAN | | Wed Apr 04 1990 11:30 | 7 |
| Nope; Walter went to Jackson State.
I dunno what he was doing in the locker room, but it obviously
worked...
...mike
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| 135.337 | And this is the man I let research the NCAA tourney pct fact??? | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Wed Apr 04 1990 11:40 | 11 |
| You guys are way off on 2nd worst defeat ever. Sheesh there were
several teams that got blown away worse in *this* years tourney. Duke
over Richmond comes to mind. And what was the score of the Syrexcuse
Coppin State game?
To be accurate, it was *Dean's* 2nd worst defeat in NCAA tournament
competition.
- ACC Chris
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| 135.338 | I knew it ! Childs is an closet Sixer fan ! | EARRTH::BROOKS | Sucker that stole the soul ... | Wed Apr 04 1990 11:41 | 5 |
| re .329
Mike ! Calm down !
You don't sound a lot like a Jihad member do you ?
|
| 135.339 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers...Pants for |CENSORED|s | Wed Apr 04 1990 11:44 | 4 |
| Hey Doc, unlike the anti-Jihads, we Jihads are a fair minded,
objective bunch, like myself and Mike.
/Don
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| 135.340 | Given time, it's possible. | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Wed Apr 04 1990 11:45 | 12 |
| At no point have I ever said Sir Charles isn't an awesome hoopster.
I'd be a fool to say it - he's obviously one of the prime talents on
the planet. (And to think, he couldn't even make the Olympic team!
Chalk that one up to Bob's astute talent observation skills I suppose
...)
But this Johnson character is worth watching. I'll admit I haven't
seen him play much, but what I have seen is strictly man playing with
boys stuff.
- ACC Chris
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| 135.341 | | LEVERS::STROUT | 5 to 1... 1 in 5... | Wed Apr 04 1990 11:48 | 11 |
|
re: ACChris
I think we were talking about the worst Champeenship game defeat.
Just FYI though, the Duke-Richmond game was +25 and the Syracuse-Coppin
State was +22. Other big defeats were Connecticut-BU +24, LMU-Michigan
+34, UNLV-Little Rock +30, UNLV-LMU +30 and Arkansas-UNC +23.
The UNLV-Duke +30 was the biggest champeenship loss ever.
sean
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| 135.342 | Every city deserves a woody! | SASE::SZABO | Have you had your fahrvergn�gen today? | Wed Apr 04 1990 11:51 | 8 |
| Hey Dock, what the Slasher said.......
And, I wouldn't object to the people of Philly making a woody of Sir
Charles and placing it next to Rocky Balboa!
:-)
H�wk
|
| 135.343 | | RHETT::KNORR | VMS Workstations Support | Wed Apr 04 1990 11:54 | 11 |
| > This is coming from a fan of a team that has .......
> 2. Suffered the 2nd biggest defeat in NCAA tourney history.
Thanks sean, but if you reread .333 (see extract above) you'll have to
conclude that either you're wrong or Cap thinks UNC played in the
Championship game this year.
- ACC Chris
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| 135.344 | | LEVERS::STROUT | 5 to 1... 1 in 5... | Wed Apr 04 1990 11:58 | 4 |
| yep, your right Chris.. i misunderstood (the first setence
misled me!). Cap's to balm!
sean
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| 135.345 | | CAM::WAY | Outfielder in the Bourbon | Wed Apr 04 1990 12:08 | 8 |
| � -< Every city deserves a woody! >-
I have the biggest woody in Hebron....
HTH,
'Saw
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| 135.346 | Walk softly, and carry a big woody! :-) | SASE::SZABO | Have you had your fahrvergn�gen today? | Wed Apr 04 1990 12:17 | 1 |
|
|
| 135.347 | No 'Saw, you mean the biggest imagination! | GENRAL::WADE | Jests,Yanks,Wardles,WimpsRUs | Wed Apr 04 1990 12:17 | 1 |
|
|
| 135.348 | Lost the original one in the war.... | CAM::WAY | Outfielder in the Bourbon | Wed Apr 04 1990 12:44 | 5 |
| � -< No 'Saw, you mean the biggest imagination! >-
No, no, really, I have the biggest woody. Granted, it might
be the *only* woody, but I have the biggest one! ;^)
|
| 135.349 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Fargenuppagain | Wed Apr 04 1990 12:50 | 6 |
|
> -< Lost the original one in the war.... >-
Yeah, but was it an *excellent* loss?
|
| 135.350 | | CAM::WAY | Outfielder in the Bourbon | Wed Apr 04 1990 12:56 | 7 |
| >> > -< Lost the original one in the war.... >-
>> Yeah, but was it an *excellent* loss?
No, but the one I lost *was* excellent....
|
| 135.351 | NEVER is a lost woody an excellent loss...... :-) | SASE::SZABO | Have you had your fahrvergn�gen today? | Wed Apr 04 1990 13:06 | 1 |
|
|
| 135.352 | | CAM::WAY | Outfielder in the Bourbon | Wed Apr 04 1990 13:08 | 4 |
| � -< NEVER is a lost woody an excellent loss...... :-) >-
Woody isn't lost...he's on Cheers....
|
| 135.354 | | CAM::WAY | Outfielder in the Bourbon | Wed Apr 04 1990 13:21 | 1 |
| Besides, that was a iron, not a wood... a good golfer would know that....
|
| 135.355 | | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Lisa,get away from that jazzman | Wed Apr 04 1990 14:43 | 3 |
| >..pull a pout-muscle...
Rollllllwaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrddddddddd!!!!!!
|
| 135.356 | Get real | BAUCIS::SAPP | Get the point?Good,let's dance!! | Wed Apr 04 1990 15:15 | 14 |
| I am replying WAY back to the people commenting on Johnson/Barkley.
Dersire???What the hell do you mean??Just because Johnson doesn't cry
everytime a call goes against him or his team means he doesn't have
the desire??
So tell me gentlemen:How can you tell just HOW MUCH desire he has??
Many smileys,
O_J
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| 135.357 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Those hazy lazy days of summer are here | Wed Apr 04 1990 16:17 | 12 |
|
O_J never said Johnson didn't have desire just not as much. Desire?
going for every rebound, searching out the ball offensively, diving
for loose balls and taking charge.
Doc, it's a love/hate relationship with Philly and me. I absolutely
hate the suckers when they play the Celts, when they play anyone
else it's go Philly especially when they play the Lakers. Call it
eastern bias. I figure if we can win the title atleast someone in
our division should...
mike
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| 135.358 | Is it cause you hate UNLV Mike?? | BAUCIS::SAPP | Get the point?Good,let's dance!! | Wed Apr 04 1990 16:25 | 13 |
| Re Last
So what your saying is Johnson doesn't do these things as much??Give me
a break.Remember that play when the ball was seemingly going out of
bounds and Johnson almost ran into the crowd and made a beautiful
save!!(in the championship game)
Yeah,that's what I call a lack of desire!!
Later,
O_J
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| 135.359 | | COMET::JOHNSTON | namby-pamby bedwetting WHAT?!!? | Wed Apr 04 1990 16:33 | 12 |
| Johnson hit two 3 pointers early in the second half, and that was six points
that flat broke Duke's back, and destroyed whatever hopes they may have had of
making a run at UNLV.
Also.... don't ya just love the way he shoots free throws? Every time,
I thought he was taking the shot... then STOP... and he flips it in off the
fingertips. Swish! Every time.
He really looked good on that save he made, too. That involved body
control, ball control, hustle, and good eyes for finding the open man.
Mike JN
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| 135.360 | | ROULET::CAPPEL | Hey Baseball, GET A REAL JOB | Wed Apr 04 1990 16:50 | 20 |
| ACC Chris,
Excuuuuuuuseeeee Me!!!!
I was talking the worst champeenship loss ever. Remember the spanking
and coaching clinic that Mr. Wooden gave Smif' or do you tend to
forget certain losses after there has been SO MANY humiliating defeats.
Dean: 1 title in 7 tries in final 4 appearemces, 2nd worst defeat ever
and he's routinely outcoached when it comes to the crucial tourney
games.
Chris, Remember this equation:
Smif + Greatest recruiting class ever = More NCAA choke jobs(or
excellent losses as you would say).
Cap
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| 135.361 | I love it!!! | BAUCIS::SAPP | Get the point?Good,let's dance!! | Wed Apr 04 1990 17:06 | 1 |
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| 135.362 | NCAA notes!!! | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Wed Apr 04 1990 21:33 | 35 |
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Arkansas, Duke, Georgia Tech, and UNLV made about 1.43 million
dollars each for thier respective schools by reaching the final four.
During the regular season a few UNLV players were suspended one
game apiece by school officials for not paying hotel bills as little
as $3.00(no typo three dollars.)
Here is a few rule changes that will affect the game. None are
official.
1) Players will be suspended for one game for fighting during a
a game and second offenders will be out for the season.
2) Taunting or baiting or using "undesirable" language will result
in a tech. foul.
3) The three point line will remain at 19-9 but some conferences
will be allowed to experiment with the international line of
20-6.
4) Eliminating one time-out per team on televised games.
5) The 45 second shot clock will not be re-set when the ball is
blocked out of bounds.
6) GET THIS ONE!!!!!! The channels on the ball will be deepened
and widened to allow better ball-handling.
there is one more that I will put in the next note because I have
a question for all the basketball experts.
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| 135.363 | QUESTION!!!!! | ELMAGO::RBARELA | | Wed Apr 04 1990 21:45 | 18 |
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Ok here is the new rule.
1) A player will be given a technical if he hangs on the rim.
Hanging on the rim will be allowed when a player is avoiding
personal injuries or avoiding injury to other players.
QUESTION: A friend of mine here at DEC ABO said that it takes
270 pounds of pressure to "flex" a basketball rim after
a slam a la Larry Johnson. You know to pull it down
almost. 270 pounds of pressure is alot you know.
I will appreciate an answer if anyone knows it.
rub
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| 135.364 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Fargenuppagain | Thu Apr 05 1990 07:50 | 6 |
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ANSWER: Yes. I know 270 lbs is a lot of pressure.
8^)
-Dick
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| 135.365 | Fill 'er up, check the oil, kick the rim | FTMUDG::DUGGAN | | Thu Apr 05 1990 07:57 | 5 |
| Answer: Yes. Except that the pressure is adjustable in abot a 220-300
lb. range (Just before the championship rout, CBS showed a technician
setting the rim pressure to 230 lbs. Must have been lightweights there.)
...mike
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| 135.366 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Thu Apr 05 1990 07:58 | 20 |
| re: .362
The NCAA told UNLV to suspend the players because if a player runs
up incidental hotel charges while on a road trip it is the player's
responsibility to pay for those charges within a certain period
of time. The NCAA allows the school to provide only rooms and meals
for the players while staying in hotels. If a player orders from
room service, s/he has to pay for it. If a player uses the
pay-per-view movie, s/he has to pay for it. If a player makes a
phone call, s/he has to pay for it. Very often, these charges get
billed to the room as a matter of course so it's going to be a while
before the athletic department of the school finds out about the
expense and bills the player. UNLV was apparently not making the
players in question pay these bills.
As a further example, a player is not allowed to use the athletic
department phones for making personal calls, if this does happen,
the school is again required by the NCAA to bill the player.
John
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| 135.367 | CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY! (beat y'all to it) | FTMUDG::DUGGAN | | Thu Apr 05 1990 08:16 | 21 |
| It's a little more complicated than that in the case of UNLV. The
Athletic Department specifically told the hotels in question not to
honor room charges, and to report any attempt at making these charges
to the assistant coach in charge of logistics. For whatever reason,
three hotels, on two different road trips, did not honor this request.
What is stranger is that these hotels did not, as is the usual custom,
present these bills to the team at checkout time, and in fact, one
hotel did not contact UNLV until AFTER the hotel contacted the NCAA.
What is even stranger is that one of the players was adamant about
saying he did not incur the charge at all, and there is some evidence
that indeed he did not.
I was in Vegas when all this came down. I THINK what I just wrote is
what happened; it's hard to be sure, because the two papers in Vegas
reported two different stories.
But you can bet that UNLV will be making different accommodations in
Logan and Long Beach next year.
...mike
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| 135.368 | DUKE GOT LASTED GAME AND NEXTED GAM MIXED UP!!! | 4159::NAZZARO | Thanks Minutemen, for a GREAT year!! | Thu Apr 05 1990 08:32 | 8 |
| WAHT HAPENED TO ABBADABBANABBAY IN TEH CAHMPIONSHLIP GAME? IN
TEH LASTED GAME HE PALYED ECXELENT, BUT IN THE NEXTYED GAME HE
WAS'NT SO GOOD AS TAHT. WASHE TO BLAM? IF COACH KRUSHEIFSKI HAD
PALYED HIS LASTED GAME IN THE NEXTED GAME ANDA HIS NEXTED GAME IN TEH
LASTED GAME MABBEABBADABBANABBAY WOULDA BEEN BETTER VS UNLV.
MAKES SESNE TO ME!
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| 135.369 | | FTMUDG::REED | OklaSt--#29 NCAA Wrestling Championship | Thu Apr 05 1990 08:33 | 1 |
| Anyone know where to pick up a RCASO decoder ring?
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| 135.370 | | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Thu Apr 05 1990 08:45 | 7 |
| re: .last 2
Hah hah!!!
- ACC Chris
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| 135.371 | Question | BUILD::MORGAN | | Thu Apr 05 1990 08:45 | 4 |
| Let's put RCASO aside here for a minute. I'll ask again, in what way
is Walter Payton associated with UNLV, and/or the coach?
Steve
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| 135.372 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 292-2170 | Thu Apr 05 1990 09:02 | 8 |
| Walter Payton is in no way, shape or form associated with UNLV.
He's apparently admired the UNLV program for many years and has
become friendly with Tark the Shark over the years. Tark invited
him to speak to the team before the game.
"Sweetness" is a proud graduate of Jackson State.
John
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| 135.373 | Thanks, John. | BUILD::MORGAN | | Thu Apr 05 1990 09:33 | 1 |
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| 135.374 | More for you, Steve | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | G.H.C.C - Home of the Chokers! | Thu Apr 05 1990 10:37 | 7 |
| Steve,
I read that Payton sort of adopted the Rebels after watching them
on cable a few times. Liked the style of play. I believe he saw
them live a few times. That's the connection.
JD
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| 135.375 | TIHS IS AMIRICA, OR DO'NT YUO RMEMEMMEBR???! | 4159::NAZZARO | Keepin' Dad busy - 2 boys, 2 sports | Thu Apr 05 1990 14:15 | 8 |
| HEY YOU WAIT JUSTED A MINUTE HEAR!!! I AM NOT TO BLAM IF YUO OR
SOMONE ESLE DOES'NT APPRECAITE WAHT I HAVE TO SAY, BUT YUO HAVE NO
BUZINESS TO TELL UTHER POEPLE TO NOT GET WITH ME. I HAVE FEELINGS,
TOO, YUO KNOWW!!! JUST BECUSE YUO DO"NT AGREE WITH WAHT I SAY MEANS
NOT TO LET PEOPEL READ WHAT I WANT TO SAY!!! THIS ISS'NT RUSSIA YUO
KNOW, SO BAK OFF!!
THANKS FOR LETTING ME GET TAHT OFF MY CHEST.
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