Conference 7.286::sports_90

    Yankess Suck!

    Hey REK, guess the dog must have already driven you nuts; you've
    obviously lost touch....you caint even follow directions....
    (unless you think you're caso....)
    
    I'm really dissappointed in you.
    
    Ralph, where are you when we *really* need you ????????
    
    A new YANKEE note and look who replies first.
    
    Figures.
    
    Ras III
    

Okay, just because we have a new file doesn't mean that the KGP
is not present.

KGP rules say that the word 'suck' must be replaced with either:

	'sips through a straw'  -or-
	'inhales discreetly'

HTH,
Chainsaw, Supreme Kommandant, KGP

    Hey Ras, Who are you gonna call???
    
    Yank-me Busters!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
           REK
    
    The Gorge Stinkbrainers will be lucky to win 70 games this year!!!

    70 games?  I'd never thought REK would OVERestimate the Yankees. 

    
    Hey 'Saw (KG Commander), is it true you've gotten a petition together
    to rename the Hebron Fireman's ball the "Annual Incendiary Personnel
    Filbert Festival?"
    
    confused-who-needs-confirmation

    ...with a $300,000 per year raise!
                                 Denny

    
    HAHAHAHA.
    
    Golly, why can't the Sox get guys like that?  Parade down Broadway
    in October!
    
    -Dick

�          <<< Note 22.9 by 39131::DHAMEL "I saw Noriega in K-mart" >>>

	I HEARD JERRY GLANVILLE HAS LEFT TICKETS FOR HIM FOR THE NEXTED 
SOILERS GAME.

Mike JN

    Yanks just signed Damaso Garcia (from the Expos, I believe) for
    one year.
    
    Redmen Phil                                       
    

    Sad to see Billy Martin go the way he did........
    
    Whether you loved him or hated him, you know he was quite a character.
    
    Baseball's gonna miss Billy.......
    
    Hawk

    
    I heard Stienbrenner is going to bring Billy back in three days.
    
    -Dick

    No way. That only happened ONCE.
    
    Ras

    I read that Don Mattingly is being sued by Louisville Slugger for
    breach of contract.  What's the story?

       He caint hit any more.
                                        Denny

    RE: -.1
    
    >>           So let's say Will Clark gets a new endorsement contract for 
    >> 600k a year, while Mattingly is still getting a poultry 5k.
                                                       ^^^^^^^
    
    Does that mean he gets paid chickenfeed??  :-)
    
    Bo 

    It's probably because SLUGGER and Mattingly are mutually exclusive.
    
    JD

    	RE: a few back
    
    	Howsabout "paltry" for "poultry"?
    
    	Scott

    	I believe that Mattingly signed a long term contract with
    Louisville Slugger when he was in the minor leagues for peanuts.
    I believe Don wants to sign another more lucrative contract with
    someone else.  I read about it in the spring, but can't remember
    the details now.
    
    				/Don

    >    <<< Note 22.19 by RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO "Louie and the Redman #1" >>>
    >                    -< More overrated than Namath! >-
    
    You're a dead man, Devlin...  Don't come back to Massachusetts, or
    you'll be sleeping with the fish.
    
    Dan

Spoken like the True Onan of Sports(tm).....;^)


re Mattingly and Peanuts...

	Wouldn't that mean that he was only making a pachyderm 5k?

    
    Frank, that 5k is really 5,000k, but it must have gotten "trunkated"
    
    Bull
    

    
    so what's the scoop on ole George? I just read where he payed some
    guy Howard Spira 40 grand for damaging evidence against Winfield?
    
    This guy is incredible, I mean Winny does play for his tean doesn't
    he?
    
    George says he was just giving the guy 40 grand to turn his life
    around but that the guy had to sign a paper saying he wouldn't
    seek any publicity...
    
    mike

    Hey,where's JoJ?????
    
    
    
    
    O_J

    Don Mattingly signed a 5 yr extenstion through 1995.. whew.. good
    
    was getting a tad worried there
    
    
    
    dinz
    

YEAH, FOR 19 mIllion....

Seriously, when are we gonna start the Mattingly watch?  I mean, this
guy is making more money than Steve Austin was worth, and he's only
half as fast and half as strong, and cain't see as well....

8^)

    Jo? is "On the Road again" to Joisey.......
    
    Claybone

    
    So, whatever happened to Ras III?  I thought that, this time for sure,
    Ras returned, never to leave SPORTS again.
    
    You think maybe, that Ras and JoJ are one in the same?  This "return
    of" and "final chapter" stuff looks awfully fishy.......
    
    H�wk

    Shhhhss, it's very, very quiet in this note....
    
    Any Yankme fans still out there, or did you all jump on the Sox
    bandwagon?  :*)
    
    Lee_whose_Tigers_have_climbed_over_these_Yanks_and_Orioles

    	Skanks and Flops are yesterdays newz. 8^)  

    Cuz REK hasn't started one yet.
    
    Mark.

    Since folks have had great fun knocking Yankee pitching in years'
    past, I found it interesting that the Yankee staff has a 3.72 ERA,
    good for 4th in the league.  Not bad for a sub .500 team.
    
    JD

�    So why is there no Sox-Yanks rivalry note this year?
    
    Because there are already enough garbage notes in here?

>>    So why is there no Sox-Yanks rivalry note this year?

A stroke of good luck?

    
    Yanks sips... yes...  
    
    but 
        the
            SOX
                slurp....
    
    
    and in the meantime... Cleveland, Milwaukee and Toronto will
    battle it out for the AL East title....
    
    Sorry Detroit...  Cecil may be for real, but the team ERA
    is probably at its season's best... near 4.70.

    Don't be sorry for Detroit, we were supposed to be the cellar dwellers
    for the year.  Right now, tho, we're over the Yankmes and Zero's.
    So, it's something to be grateful for.
    
    Lee

    So what do Yank fans think about the Winfield trade?
    
    Paul, with 1/5th of the season gone, the Indians are still looking up
    at the Sox.

    
    re: -1
    
    Yeah, I'm real worried...  If the Sox had a starting staff, they might
    be dangerous... with what they have... they'll be lucky to finish
    .500 (but it might be enough to finish 2nd behind the tribe).

Article 2069 of clari.sports.baseball:
From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: clari.sports.baseball
Subject: Yankees obtain Nokes for McCullers, Parker
Date: 4 Jun 90 18:07:01 GMT
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	BOSTON (UPI) -- The New York Yankees, in serious need of help behind
the plate, Monday acquired catcher Matt Nokes from the Detroit Tigers
for pitchers Lance McCullers and Clay Parker.
	Nokes is batting .270 with three home runs and eight RBI. He made
15 starts behind the plate, throwing out 4 of 14 base stealers.
	In his more than three years in the majors, Nokes, 26, has a career
average of .266 with 63 homers and 194 RBI. Nokes, a left-handed batter,
was obtained by the Tigers in a six-player trade with San Francisco in
1985.
	The Tigers could afford to trade Nokes with regular catcher Mike
Heath hitting .349, second in the American League.
	This season the Yankees turned over their catching job to Bob
Geren. After 10 years in the minor leagues, he hit .288 in 65 games last
year with the Yankees to earn the No. 1 catching spot. But after 30
games he was batting only .218 with three homers and eight RBI. Rick
Cerone, 36, also received time behind the plate.
	McCullers, 26, appeared in nine games this year, all in relief. He
compiled a 3.60 ERA in 15 innings. The 26-year-old right-hander was
acquired by the Yankees after the 1988 season, coming from San Diego
with outfielder Stanley Jefferson and pitcher Jimmy Jones for outfielder
Jack Clark and pitcher Pat Clements.
	Parker, a right-hander, has been with the Yankees' Triple-A farm
team, Columbus of the International League, since May 15. In five games
with the Yankees this year, he was 1-1 with a 4.50 ERA.

    	Oh boy.  Now we get to listen to Dan tell us all summer long
    that Nokes is a better catcher than Pena.
    
    				/Don

    
    	Sorry guys...the best rookie catcher in the league today
    
    		is SANDY ALOMAR!!!
    
    	Of the Cleveland Indians.
    
    	The Chief!
    

Dan --

		Is not!
    

    Great to see the Yank-offs fill their needs--HAHAHAHA. They need a
    lefty power hitter, so they trade for a 3rd catcher. Man, they're in
    trouble. Go Sox!!
    			Rich
    

    Say what you want, Sox fans, but Matt Nokes is one of the best catchers
    in the Major Leagues.
    
    It was a most excellent trade, Dudes and Dudettes.
    
    JoJ

But JoJ Dude, you have made a most egregious error.  That
most triumphant trade will not help the heinous performance
by the Yankees....  Bucky is going to have to pull a most
excellent game winner out of his hat soon or he will be history...

'Saw

    
    If/when the Yanks lose their third game to the Sox this week, Bucky
    will be gone by noon of the following day.  Count on it.
    
    Dickster
    

>    If/when the Yanks lose their third game to the Sox this week, Bucky
>    will be gone by noon of the following day.  Count on it.
 

	Do they play Detriot nexted?  Isn't that were the last two were
axed?

mc    

    According to Spud in the BASEBALL conference, Bucky Dent has been
    fired and Stump Merrill has been named as his successor.

    
    re: -1
    
    Is Stump Merrill related to the captain from "Love Boat"?

    	Gee and I thought George would hire David Copperfield.  You
    gotta figure if he cain change a duck into a chicken and visa-versa
    maybe he could change the Yankees into a baseball team.
    
    				/Don

       Spleenbleeder is delivering the commencement speech at the Mass.
    Maritime Academy on Jun 17th.
                                         denny

    
    I wonder if Bucky got the news at Fenway.
    
    "But George! It's me!  Bucky Bleepin' Dent!  You can't fire me *here*!
    So many fond memories...don't you remember what I did here in '78?
    
    "You cursed rat! How could you have done this to me?  Oh, I'm
    melting... melting.... Oh, what a world..what a world...."
    
    Dickster
    

    They did hire David Copperfield. He made them disappear.

    Yanks sip...no doubt about it.
    
    JoJ

    When in the world will George realize that there are some years
    when a team needs to concentrate on rebuilding? This Yankee team
    is not a contender and any baseball person worth his/her salt would
    agree with this.
    
    The Yankees need to foster an atmosphere of teamwork with an
    understanding that the young players know they will get a fair shot.
    They need to be developed at the major league level. The Columbus
    shuttle does NOT work if you use it for 5 or 6 players on a regular
    basis. It was OK when the Yankees were packed with talent and only
    had a hole or 2.
    
    But this team has talent that should be nurtured and tutored without
    the pressure from an owner who expects his team will win it all
    every day of every year. It's nice to think but unrealistic in real
    life.
    
    George has to let his GM alone and allow him to make decisions based
    on baseball talent and development rather than immediate dividends.
    
    There's something wrong when you have the farm system the Yankees
    have in Columbus and Albany and then, at the major league level
    things go awry. Certainly the Mets handle things better as do the
    Orioles.
    
    But, hey, it sure is great whenever the Red Sox can beat the Yankees,
    no matter what the circumstances.
    
    Rich
    

Although I am a die hard Red Sox fan, I always admired the
Yankees as one of the great all-time teams.  Clearly, they've
won more titles 8^)

It is unfortunate that the Yankees are owned by George Steinbrenner,
because he has taken what was once a proud team, and basically
driven them into the ground with his shenanigans...

That's really too bad.

Chainsaw

    Ha ha, saw an interesting idea yesterday about the Yanks and George.
    
    The writer posed this thought:  Perhaps George is purposefully
    destroying his team so they can't win while he is on suspension
    for consorting with gamblers.  If they did go on a tear while he
    was out, then maybe he'd get the blame for their performance when
    he's there.
    
    Farfetched, but funny.
    
    Lee

    Sox beat Jays.... move into 1st.

Karen

>>    <<< Note 22.69 by CRBOSS::DERRY "LandOfTheFreeButOnlyIfYouAgree...." >

Great p-name,

>>    Sox beat Jays.... move into 1st.

lousy ball score.

The Jays fortunes should only improve since they go to Oakland after Boston...
Things may not look to good for the Skydomers a week from now.

rick ellis

>                             -< oops wrong note. >-

sure, Karen.

Joe

    Hey Joe... we all make mistakes.

�    Hey Joe... we all make mistakes.

Hey Joe, where ya goin' with that gun in you hand?

I'm going down to shoot my ol' lady, cause I caught her messin'
   round with another man.

Hey Joe, I heard you shot your ol' lady down, shot her down now..

Yes I did, I shot her, I gave her the gun!

Hey Joe, where ya gonna run to now?

I'm goin down south, way down south down Mexico way...ain't no
   hang man gonna put a noose around me....

    Sox beat Jays...move into a 1 1/2 game lead.

    Re. -2
    
    Play that gittar, Jimi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    My favorite cut from Hendrix's best album, his first.
    
    NAZZ

    Andy Hawkins pitches a no hitter and loses the game 4-0.  As Scooter
    said, "Unbelievable."

    Karen, that certainly ties in with the play of the Yankees this
    year.  Unbelievable!
    
    Lee

 Geez those Yankees will do anything to make the Records Book....

 hahahaaaa

 notice how they've bellied up since Dinz went public.. ;^)

 mike

    
    Sam  Adams  update..
    
    yanks are 4.5 games behind  bALT  and now the BREWERS are coming
    down..
    
    i like my chances
    
    
    dinz
    

    Dinz,
    
    As my mother always says "no brain, no pain."  Ha! You won't feel any
    pain till you have to get your wallet out!  Hahahahaha
    
    wheel

    
    see ya in september wheel, when youre crying over a sox  fade..
    
    isnt it time  for clementine  to complain about the pitchers  mound
    
    again?? 
    
    
    dinz
    

    Dinz,
    
    I was watching ESPN this weekend and they said that Clemens will
    probably be the first player to make 5m/yr.!!!!!  I doubt very
    much that I will be crying over the Sox in September.....Yanks
    are firmly implanting themselves in the cellar for the remainder
    of the year!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    wheel
    

Only the Yank-mes could pull that no-hitter deal off...

How sweet it is....

'Saw

    clemens making 5 million?  WHO cares... he still wont win the CY
     young  and he still wont have a world series  ring..
    
    
    dinz
    

   <<< Note 22.85 by COBRA::DINSMORE "Madonna and ASICS.. A WINNING COMBO" >>>

>and he still wont have a world series  ring..
    
What's Mattingly's excuse for not ever even winning the AL East?  

    
    well, you probaly have to ask him, since i cant speak  for Don
    Mattingly
    
    dinz
    
    

    Dinz,
    
    If *I* was making 5m/yr I wouldn't give a flying fig about a ring...I
    could always buy one!!  8^)    Hahahahahaha
    
    wheel

    
    all those  haaaaaaaaaa  turn to   waaaaaaaaaaaaa come september..
    
    well, the RYAN EXPRESS goes today... wheel, ya mentioned that
    
    that the yanks played well, but couldnt win this weekend, well they
    did  win 10-7 saturday.. i had  great joy watching the SOX flop
    
    on friday night  and then saturday [the stopper-reardon]
    
    
    rearded his ugly head and proceeded  to blow it..
                                                             
    
    dinz
    

> What's Mattingly's excuse for not ever even winning the AL East?  

Mattingly doesn't need any excuses...for anything.


re:  Boston Red Sox

They have as much talent as anyone in the division, and SHOULD win it, but
will they ?  Can Harris and Kiecker and Gardner be 3/5s of a division-winning
rotation ?  Is Morgan's (over)use of Reardon a sign of his true managerial
skills ?

The Red Sox not winning the AL East in 1990 will be more tragic than anything
that happens to the NY Yankees.


re:  Clemens $5M

Will Boston pay that price ?


Joe

>re:  Boston Red Sox
>
>They have as much talent as anyone in the division, and SHOULD win it, but
>will they ?  Can Harris and Kiecker and Gardner be 3/5s of a division-winning
>rotation ?  

Why SHOULD the Sox win it, Joe.  I mean if Boston has a much talent as ANYONE
in the division?  Does that include NY?

>The Red Sox not winning the AL East in 1990 will be more tragic than anything
>that happens to the NY Yankees.

I find that hard to believe.  But I suppose you need to say something to ease 
the pain.  

    
    Don Mattingly has as many HR's as Wade Boggs. 
    
    *EVERY* NL team has scored more runs that the Yankees this year.
     Only the punchless White Sox have scored less than the Yanks.
    
    
    Bruce 

>    *EVERY* NL team has scored more runs that the Yankees this year.
>     Only the punchless White Sox have scored less than the Yanks.
    
	Fortunatly the White Sox have some pitching...

mc

>>The Red Sox not winning the AL East in 1990 will be more tragic than anything
>>that happens to the NY Yankees.

>I find that hard to believe.  But I suppose you need to say something to ease 
>the pain.  

Let me put it this way Karen:

	Do you think the Red Sox are a better team than the Yanks ?
	Probably MUCH better, right ?  If that's the case, with the
	AL East as BAD as it is, how will you feel if they DON'T win
	the division (especially given that they're 6 up in the loss
	column over Toronto) ?


Joe

re: last
    
    Jeez, Joe, this is really hittin' you hard, huh?   Reach any further and
    you'll fall offada chair, dude!
    
    ML                               

    ML, I'd say it's hitting a good portion of the NY fans hard.  
    
    Oh Joe, I wouldn't say the Sox have more talent than the Yanks.  And
    I never think Boston is going to win anything.  That way you don't have
    far to fall when they blow it.  
    
    

    RE: The Yankees
    
    "They've fallen...and they can't get up!"

    This has got to be, by far, the bested note all day!

    ha.. set the markers.. its only  july.. is the season over yet?
    
    nope, CLEMENS is due to cpmplain about the mound soon,a nd go on
    
    a losing streak
    
    dinz
    

I see Donbo's back is acting up again... Or was he afraid of the 0-4
that would put him under .250???

He does have a higher slugging percentage than Sax and Espinosa, though.

Wonder if he can deal with all the fans asking "Hey, didn't you used to
be Don Mattingly?" 

>    Jeez, Joe, this is really hittin' you hard, huh?

Prune Face is ugly.  The Idiot is ugly.  Losing is UGLY !
I'm sure you know the feeling Dave.


Joe

I'm not Don Mattingly, but I play him on TV....

    With most of the experts picking the Sox to finish between 3rd and 5th,
    I think Joe is reaching a bit.  But then again, the Sox weren't
    supposed to do well in 1986 either.

>    With most of the experts picking the Sox to finish between 3rd and 5th,
>    I think Joe is reaching a bit.

Yeah, but Mac, my comments are based on what I'm seeing now (ie: Harris,
Kiecker, Quintana, Brunansky), so I'm sure that these same experts are
now picking Boston to win it.

Besides, other than Toronto and NY, everyone in the division was picked
to end up between 3rd and 5th. :-)


Joe

    kiecker and harris are coming back to earth...
    
    dinz
    

�    kiecker and harris are coming back to earth...
    
    Harris won his last start, and Kieker's left yesterday's game with a
    lead which the bullpen self destructed on.

    
    kiecker 4  walks... i thought HARRIS struggled his last start
    
    maybe  it was the one before that..
    
    
    gardner will get hammered tonight....  ryan outduels boddicker
    
    saturday,  
    
    
    dinz
    

    After closely looking at the AL east, I'm convinced that the Sox are
    the team that will win the division.
    
    JoJ

    Wardle, you butthole.  The KOD only works if you really mean it.
    
    Have a lousy day.
    
    Mark.

    Hey Mark, how does it feel to be the Docker clad mascot of my FFL team,
    the YUPPIES?
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHA(tm)

    Kicker hit 4 batters yesterday, I believe (or was it 3))....
    
    JD

    
    Wow.  Is this the Yankee note or what?  Last 10 or so replies only
    have to do with the Sox.  You guys must be really hurtin'.
    
    Anyway, again NY blows.... it.  Coulda picked up a few games on
    Boston.

    Some light on why Dinz is the ultimate Vane.......
    
    Seen yesterday at Cooperstown on a t-shirt:
              
             I only root for two teams, the Yankees
               and anyone that plays the Mets!
    
    Maybe Dinz is taking this a littler further.............
    
    HTH
    
    Wheel
    

>    Anyway, again NY blows.... it.  Coulda picked up a few games on
>    Boston.

Their goal isn't to get back into the pennant race.  They're rebuilding.
It's time to dump veterans (Hawkins, LaPoint, Righetti ?, Leary ?,
Barfield ?) for prospects, evaluate kids (Maas, Leyritz, Meulens ?,
Leiter ?, Adkins ?), and add pitching and a big bat thru free agency.


Joe

	Harris did struggle his last start walking a few, always pitching out
of jams and constantly pitching with a 3-something count.  

	Kiecker has hit a few batters this year, including Caseco the first 
time he faced him.  I like it, he's not afraid to come inside.

mc

Note 286.35                    1990 All-Star Game                       35 of 40
ITASCA::SHAUGHNESSY "Bush's lips: 'know new taxes!'" 28 lines  10-JUL-1990 10:01
                       -< Gorge SpleenBender Revealed! >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Hey, remember that nasty little squabble from a year or two back
    where I revealed that being a Stankee fan was tantamount to being
    a socialist?  You 'member, then Dan came in an cudgeled on about
    how I "had no proof" about SpendBlender being a tax-mooch and that
    he had squandered his daddy's fortune?
    
    Wail, as is always the case with me and Dan [sic], ultimately the
    facks come 'round to show that I was right and that he was, surprise!,
    all wrong.
    
    This month's Esquire magazine has a_article entitled "How the
    Government Feeds George Steinbrenner."  It details what a_abject 
    failure Gorge has been as a businessman, and how he has been on the
    public dole for decades, and how he's back to bribing public officials
    to stick is pig-like face into the trough.
    
    For those a you who ain't familiar with Esquire magazine, it's sorta
    a heterosexual GQ.  I don't subscribe to it myself, but got holt a
    the article in a_airplane.
    
    Btw, some Stankee fans won't be upset by this corroboration of my
    charges.  Pacifically I speak of Wardle, who's widely known as one a
    those guys who moons 'round the office with petitions and the like
    for whatever the latest socialist  pinko cause celebre might be.  I
    fear that the next time I see him he'll be wearing sandals and a 
    safron robe and a bald haid, but that's another story...
    
    MrT(erribly factual)
    

    I read that the MLB players union is backing Steinbrenner in the
    Winfield trade tampering case.

AXIS::ROBICHAUD "GeorgeForeman-NextHEAVYweightChamp"  4 lines  10-JUL-1990 10:59
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    	Bravo MrT!  Way to expose that sham of an owner (Spleenbender)
    and his devoted toadies like Wardle.
    
    				/Don
    

/Don, who cares about that stuff anyways. it isn't like ole George is
a US supported terroist and besides how many other business pull the
same sh*t while you and I pay the freight.

For all George has done to the Yankees, he should be a first ballot
HOF...  ;^)

mike    

Any Pirates fans in here know if the rumors about Pitts being interested
in Andy Hawkins are true ?  I heard over the weekend that Pitts was
poised to snatch-up Hawkins if the Yanks released him.

With them needing both a starter and a RH bat with power (Jesse Barfield),
it seems the Yanks have what they need.  But what would the Yanks get
back in return ?  You know the Pirates aren't going to part with one
of their big-3 OFs.  Do they have any phenoms in the minors ?  The
Yanks are looking for pitching, 3B, SS and OF prospects.


Joe

    Joe,
    
    The Bucs are loaded in the OF - at the major league level and at
    the minor league level, they have 3 great prospects in Moises Alou,
    Wes Chamberlain and Steve Carter...
    
    JD
    
    

    According to this morning's paper, Don Mattingly may miss the rest of
    the season due to a back injury.  He didn't appear in Ryan's bid for
    #300 last night and is currently listed as day-to-day.

    Boy!! Am I ever glad that the Sox didn't get stuck with that loser!!!
    
    
    REK

    
    re: -1
    
    They've got Boggs...  I laugh even harder when I remember the
    RED_SOX notesfile trade rumors...  Carter and Jacoby for Boggs...
    HA HA HA...  Jacoby is outproducing Boggs at the plate and playing
    much better defensively...

    We don't need Mattingly, we have Maas.
    
    When he does come back, they could be the new M&M boys.
    
    JoJ

    rock,
    
    carters having a terrible yr in diego
    
    

    
    Carter is not hitting well for average, but he is driving in runs...
    He'd have monster stats if he played 81 games in fenway.

    Rumors are floating that Carter is trade bait.
    
    Mattingly went on the DL.  The Yanks are still deciding which DL and
    the effective date.

Yankee bashers enjoy the present, 'cause you'll NEVER know these days
again.


God Bless America and Fay Vincent,

Joe

SASE::SZABO "Got nothing but hell to pay."           15 lines  31-JUL-1990 10:38
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    On the same (sort of) subject, the owner of the Falcons(?) is
    threatening to take back the $2 million signing bonus from Deion
    Sanders if he signs a contract with the Yankees to play-out the
    remainder of this season and all of next.  Sanders' comments were
    something to effect of, "They'll have to take a wing of my mom's
    million dollar home."
    
    First of all, what do the Yankees see in this guy that merits a
    contract offering?  And, I agree with the owner in this case, that he's
    entitled to the bonus money back as well as any portion of $'s that
    Sanders doesn't earn on the football field.
    
    This is going way too far........
    
    Hawk
    

    Sanders will be honoring his contract with the Falcons.  There were
    rumors that the Yanks would try and buy extra time for Neon to play
    baseball by paying him a bundle to finish the season as well as paying
    any fines he might incur.  I too question what the Yanks saw in this
    guy.  It appears to me that he only got brought to the show at this
    point in his career for his marquee value (or perhaps to discourage him
    from playing football).  A couple of years on the farm would probably
    have been alot of good.

    Don't know if this was already stated (my next unseen brought me to
    22.134) but Sanders has left the Yankees and is reporting to the
    Falcons!!  Seems that even George decided that PrimeTime wasn't worth
    the $$$ he was seeking.
    
    
    
    Nelly

	Steinbrenner's last official act was to withdraw the contract offer to 
Sanders. Sanders immediately packed his bags for Atlanta, blasting his
teammates on his way out the door(Didn't have the moxie to say it when he'd
have to face them the next day).

	What do the Yanks see in him?  I guess an athlete with blazing speed.
They see him roaming CF, tracking down every ball that's hit, stealing 70-90
bases, with maybe 10 HRs. The problem? His ego is so big, he can't believe
he could actually learn something in the minors, and Steinbrenner at least
was willing to feed the kid's ego by letting take up a roster spot. 

Think, Deion.
Didn't 4 years of college football prepare you for the NFL? Baseball needs a
similar investment in your time to learn the game.


	Anyway, the kid shows flashes and makes brilliant plays 2 or 3 times
a week. The rest of the time he struggles, like every kid who should be
in AA ball would.

Jim M

    I think Mac and Jim M. hit the nail on the head re "Not Ready For Prime
    Time" Sanders and baseball.  Deion has potential no question, but is
    far from a polished baseball player at this point in time.  Sanders 
    needs more minor league seasoning before he can be a consistently
    productive player on the major league level; seasoning which his ego
    won't allow him to go through.  With several young OF prospects now
    with the Yanks or within a year of the big leagues (Maas, Azocar,
    Meulens, and Williams among others), I don't think it's that big a loss
    if Sanders does not return.     
    
    
    py

Not to mention that Deon got burned more times than Toast last year in the NFL.
He also took a lot of cheap shots that will have people looking for a payback
this year...

My prediction is that he never becomes a good professional in either baseball 
or football. He doesn't have the fortitude to bother to learn the games. His 
incredible atheletic ability and speed have brought him to the Majors in both
leagues but his mouth and lack of patience and lack of intestinal fortitude will
eventually result in a shoulda been/coulda been career....


Metz

re:  Sanders

There's no doubt in my mind that he was brought up to change his
mind to make a full-time commitment to baseball.  The Yankees see
future stardom for him, but I'm sure they feel he'll achieve it
only by playing baseball full-time.

He's spent parts of the last 2 seasons at AAA, and has hit .300
consistently at that level.  I'm sure that in his mind he's ready
for the majors.  He certainly should be labeled a "prospect",
but his rush to the majors, and the $ he was demanding, aren't
right.

In a related situation, is Todd Van Poppel's contract appropriate ?
He hadn't even thrown a professional pitch yet ?


Joe

    Kevin  Maas hit his 12th homer in a 3-1 win.. Doug, if ya cruising
    through  this note, answer this one question, i guess we all know
    why  Don  Mattingly  was only hitting .250 this yr.. right?
    
    
    
    dinz
    

Because he thought he could help the team more as a walking wounded than getting
healed?   Is that admirable?   

Roger Clemens' is a faker.   Don Mattingly is a martyr.   That's it, right?

    nope, ya missed my point of course, dont put words in my mouth,
    
    i never clemens was a faker, aint nobody in this world a martyr, except
    the bug guy upstairs...
                                                          
    Mattingly  when  healthy is  not a .250  hitter..
    
    
    dinz
    

But don't you think Mattingly may have done the team more harm than
good by keeping himself in the lineup?   Maybe if he went on the DL
in May, he'd be back by now.

If Don Mattingly never returns to previous form, does he belong in the
Hall of Fame?   That will be a difficult question, I believe, for the
voters.   He certainly was one of the best players in baseball for several
years.  But does his career to this point warrant HOF INDUCTION -{ not 
consideration}.

    He very well may have hurt the team more by staying in... course,
    if Maas got gotten in earlier  who knows how many  homers he would
    
    have  now  :))),  does he belong in the hof if he never plays another
    game?  Good question there..
    
    dinz
    

    Be serious -- if Mattingly is thru, he should definitely NOT make the
    HOF.  Way too short of a career there.
    
    And you Yank fans should hope that Maas isn't the second coming of Sam
    Horn (14 dingers when he came up after getting 30 in AAA)......
    
    -- dg

    ha.. wishful thinking on your part don.. Maas  should put a couple
    out  in short right field in fenway come sept
    
    
    
    

>    And you Yank fans should hope that Maas isn't the second coming of Sam
>    Horn (14 dingers when he came up after getting 30 in AAA)......

Maas has been a .300 hitter through the Yanks minor league system.

Joe

On the news last night they made a big thing out of Maas 
resemblence to Rob Lowe.

Let's hope Maas' big stick only shows itself on the field 8^)

'Saw

PS  Now that we know that 13 homers in 110 AB is a record, can
    we get some stats for who's in second and third on that list?

    re .151:
    
    >	PS  Now that we know that 13 homers in 110 AB is a record, can
    >	we get some stats for who's in second and third on that list?
    
    Don't know, but Maas did set a record for fewest AB (87) needed to hit
    10 HR.  (The record was previously held by George Scott, who reached 10
    HR in 88 AB.)
                
    
    HTH,
    py

>PS  Now that we know that 13 homers in 110 AB is a record, can
>    we get some stats for who's in second and third on that list?

Sam Horn held the record for quickest to 13...he did it in 123 ABs.

Paul, I believe Maas got to 10 HRs in 77 ABs, beating Jeff Hostetler's
record of 78.


Joe

    Mel Allen says 87 ABs, beating George Scott's 88.
    
    Can anyone provide the number of ABs Henry Aaron took to hit 755?
    I presume he holds the record for fewest to that plateau.  ;-)

    re .154, those are the numbers that they showed on the screen during
    Saturday's Yanks-A's game....whatever the correct figures are, Maas is
    off to a riproaring start.  He certainly won't average 1 HR/8-9 AB over
    the rest of his career, but it's certainly reasonable to expect 25-30
    HR a season from Maas (he was a .280-.290 BA/15-20 HR a year man in the
    minors, and Yankee Stadium is a good HR park for a lefty pull hitter).
    
    
    py

    � Can anyone provide the number of ABs Henry Aaron took to hit 755?
    � I presume he holds the record for fewest to that plateau.  ;-)
    
    Perhaps not if you consider Sadaharu Oh.
    
    Oh, wait a minute, his don't count.  "Country" effects, right ???
    
    Bob Hunt

    Well, the Japanese ballparks ARE smaller (90 meters=300 feet down the
    line), then again, a guy who's 5-11 is considered "big". The Japanese
    game is very different than the US game, and Japanese players will
    readily admit that they are not of the same calibre as the top American
    (and Latin American) players. However, like international basketball,
    other nations are catching up with the US.  Japanese teams and players
    come here for spring training to learn from the US teams, and maybe
    some day they will be on par. No one can dispute their work ethic, so I
    don't think that will be TOO far away.
    
    Tom

    RE:  Maas, Aaron, et al
    
    Thought I saw where Maas only had 5 HRs last year in the minors. 
    Haven't seen his previous year totals......
    
    Interesting blurb about Aaron's 755 total.  Dale Murphy and Dave
    Winfield TOGETHER don't have more HRs -- and they are two of the active
    leaders (Dwight Evans isn't too far ahead of them)....
    
    -- dg

			'86	Oneonta-A	.356	0	18
			'87	Ft. Laud-A	.278	11	73
			'88	Prince William-A.296	12	35
				Albany-AA	.263	16	55
			'89	Columbus	.320	6	45 (injured)

He injured his knee 1/2-way thru the '89 season, thus his 6 HRs.

This year at Columbus he had 13 HRs in 2 months (he didn't come back
from last yr's injury until May).


Joe

Keep in mind that Maas' is not a pure power hitter.  He's a good contact
hitter, with a beautiful uppercut swing.  Darrell Evans (a terrific
pull-hitter) has been teaching Maas to open his stance, so that he can
pull more consistently (as he's done with Matt Nokes).  Evans' instruction,
along with Maas' natural swing should make him an awesome Yankee Stadium
HR hitter, and a decent HR hitter elsewhere.


Joe

I'm a Red Sox fan, but hey, this kid excites me.....

'Saw

    I don't know, Saw.  As a Sox fan, the names Sam Horn and Pat Dodson
    keep coming up in my mind.  I'll wait and see on Maas.

    i just knew ya say that mac, youre so predictable..
    
    dinz
    

wishful thinking on his part Dinz

Ah yess....  Sam Horn, who you could describe in four words:

		Big Stick, No Glove

I saw that man botch plays at 1B that a little leaguer could have made
blindfolded.

The only reason I don't think Maas will fit in that vane is that his
minors stats seem consistent, and he doesn't have a Sam Horn 
reputation.  Of course, in the Yank-me organization, *anything's* possible!

'Saw

does maas also remind you of mo vaughn??, or plantier??

just curious

    The Yanks are just lucky that George is out.  Otherwise, he'd trade
    Maas for a washed-up pitcher.  I hear Eric Show is available.......
    
    :-)  :-)  :-)
    
    -- dg

    Yanks lost 5th straight, 9-5.  Brewers won last night.  Things don't
    look to good for you, DinZ.

    i expect to see the /don and mike  c  beer watch any day now k.
    
    
    dinz
    

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Joe

    yanks do the sox a favor[they dont take advantage of it]
    
    yanks  3
    
    
    jays   2
    
    
    balboni   a homer, kelley 3 hits..
    
    this team ruins the pennant chances of the jays or sox in sept!
    
                               
    dinz
    

    >	this team ruins the pennant chances of the jays or sox in sept!
    
    No Dinz, your note 271 already ruined the Jays' chances in September.
    :-) :-)
    
    
    py

    i predict by  end of season, yanks will be under 10 games out
    
    
    dinz
    

>                 -< Way t'go Yanks!!!  Still 14 GONGS back... >-

Yeah, but GEORGE IS GONE !!!!


Joe

    But have you seen that standings lately?

    REK

>    But have you seen that standings lately?

Immaterial, in terms of the "big picture".  I'd come in last place
again, if necessary, to get rid of The Idiot.

    Was Bucky Dent that bad?  Is Stump Merril that good?  Was it really
    George all along?

    >Was Bucky Dent that bad?  
    
    In my opinion, he wasn't good.  But I didn't advocate giving him the
    gate, because I wanted stability more than a better manager.
    
    >Is Stump Merril that good?  
    
    Much better than Bucky.  Seems to have a nice plan, and really works
    better with the pitching staff.
    
    >Was it really George all along?
    
    There was no problem the Yankees have had that was bigger than their
    owner.
    
    Dan
    

>                    <<< Note 22.178 by FDCV07::GARBARINO >>>
>                       -< "it's a whole new ball game" >-
>
>>    But have you seen that standings lately?
>
>Immaterial, in terms of the "big picture".  I'd come in last place
>again, if necessary, to get rid of The Idiot.
    
    So, Joe, you'll be rooting for the Sox again nexted year?
    
    ML

>    So, Joe, you'll be rooting for the Sox again nexted year?

No way Dave...GO A'S !!!!

>No way Dave...GO A'S !!!!

check that:	GO JAY'S !!!!!!

    <<< Note 22.4 by NRADM::KING "My house has gone to the dogs!!!" >>>
    
    >The gorge Stinkbrainers willy be lucky to win 70 games this year!!!
    
    Give that main a cigar for his sage ability as a seer.
    
    MrT

    Neon Deion has been put on wiavers with the purpose of giving him his
    outright release.  Deion's average was the lowest in the majors among
    those players who have >125 AB's (but he may lose that honor to Danny
    Heep).

    
    Neon should stick to football.
    
    
    
    Steve

    re: .185
    
    	Who is Danny "Uriah" Heep playing for these days.  I lost track
    of him once the METS traded him away.
    
    	Thanks. 
    
    						 glen j.
    

    re glen j.:
    
    After a stint with the Dodgers, Heep has spent the last two seasons
    with the Red Sox.  He was a valuable LH bat off the bench/reserve for 
    the Sox last year, but has hit poorly this year (in part due to
    injuries).
    
    
    py