Conference 7.286::sports_90

    
    Re. Paul's previous p-string: "Wake-up call for Roland Hemond":
    
    Paul, at the Gammons/Shaughnessy event which Mark Fredrickson
    graciously invited me to the other night, I got a few Orioles' 
    questions in to Peter Gammons in between the Red Sox-bashing.  I asked
    him why the O's were so inactive at the winter meetings and on the
    free-agent market, and specifically what he thought of Roland Hemond
    as a GM.  His answers were generally favorable to Baltimore management.
    
    First off, Gammons stated that the Orioles have no surplus areas in
    which to trade, which I tend to agree with.  I don't consider Joe
    Orsulak as valuable trade-bait, and any young pitching talent is
    off limits.  He says that because the Orioles have several holes 
    to fill Hemond still considers the team to be on a three-year plan, so
    Gammons understands what they're doing.  The thinking is that *now* is 
    not the time to act on marginal free agents.  This makes some sense.  
    In my opinion, the inflated price of free agents tends to favor a more 
    equitable talent distribution, rather than the stock-piling by the 
    richest teams that everyone fears.  By the time teams like the Angels, 
    Royals, and Padres are through with their big-buck signings and appease 
    their own home-grown talent, they'll probably have to be relatively 
    inactive for a period of years due to an almost self-imposed salary cap.  
    Free agents will be available every year, and when the Orioles are in a 
    position where they're one or two players away, then they'll be in a 
    decent financial position to act.
    
    Gammons considers Hemond to be something of a character, an
    absent-minded professor type, but a very capable baseball man.  He's
    also got the more practical Doug Melvin around to straighten him out 
    when he gets a little carried away (no danger of that this winter, I
    guess).  One surprise though: Hemond was throwing Phil Bradley's name
    around the winter meetings last week, which is kind of surprising since
    the Orioles were very happy to acquire him last year, and supposedly
    Baltimore is the team Bradley has always wanted to play for.  He
    slumped badly in the second half of last year, but why can't this
    talented player stick anywhere?
    
    glenn
     

    Paul and Glenn  FWIW Roland Hemond is scheduled to be on tomorrow
    night's Sportsline show on WBAL from 6-8 PM. Rex Barney will be
    the host so don't look for too many difficult questions to be asked
    by him. If they open the lines to calls it might be a little more
    interesting. In trying to hype the show Jeff Rimer tonight stated
    Hemond continues to try to improve the club by exploring trade
    possibilities and while there are a few rumors (I haven't heard
    any lately) nothing appears imminent.
                                                                 
    
    kevin

    Forgot to mention that the '93 all star game will be played in
    Baltimore. The new stadium at Camden Yards will be the sight.
    
    Kevin
    

Kevin,

Maybe you could help me with this new ballpark thing. The O's are 
in a stadium that is less than 30 years old I believe, built in 
'53? 

Now, they're going out and building a new park. Nothing wrong 
with the old one, structurally sound and seating capacity not an 
issue.

The location would be the only reason that I could fathom. But, 
is that enough of a reason to go out and build a new park?

I understand that the other reason behind building a new park is 
because there is more real estate available right next door where 
the city would like to put up a football stadium and create a 
complex similar to Philly. Does Balt. really think they're going 
to get another NFL franchise? Am I right that this is the major 
reasoning behind this new park?

FYI, when I saw this new site, I was told that the builders were 
leaving one of the walls from a building that had been torn down,
it's going to be the left field wall, that's right, the 
brick monster?

daryll

    
    Daryll,
    
    Under the current Camden Yards design, the old B & O warehouse will sit
    *behind* the rightfield wall.  A small part of the rightfield wall,
    down the line, will be a tall structure as in Fenway, but it's not part 
    of the brick warehouse.  The warehouse may even be torn down, as it's not
    attached to the ballpark at all, but serves as sort of a historical 
    backdrop.
    
    There's plenty of good rationale for the park, even in the absence of
    the NFL returning to the city.  First of all, Memorial Stadium is about
    60% low-quality, low-price upper deck seating.  Secondly, it's
    inaccessible, especially to the large Washington-Maryland beltway
    market to the southwest of the city.  So there is solid financial
    reasoning behind the new stadium.  I like Memorial Stadium, but after I
    saw the beautiful designs for Camden Yards, I was completely sold on
    the idea.
    
    I don't know about Baltimore's chances for the NFL.  Personally, I
    could live without it (keep in mind I don't live in that area anymore,
    though, and have no plans to return).  As much as loved the Colts, after
    they've moved out the Orioles have enjoyed the greatest popularity in 
    their history.  It put an end to all talk of sharing the Orioles with 
    D.C., which is another plus for the strong commitment to the new stadium. 
    The new stadium will guarantee the Orioles' residence well into the
    21st century.
    
    glenn
          
                                                      

Thanks Glenn,

Maybe it's the fact that my brother-in-law won't be able to cater 
the clubhouses after the move that bothers me :-)

His restaurant is currently just down the street from Memorial.

And I agree with you, it's a hard commute getting in there.

daryll

    Reported today that the Orioles have traded Larry sheets to the
    Tigers for inf. Mike Brumley. ??? Not that I would expect that much
    back for Sheets but with the release of Traber there now appears
    to be a shortage of left handed bats. If Orsulak is to be the DH(?)
    I am not aware of any left hand hitting people on the bench if you
    assume that the outfield against most right handers would include
    Anderson and Finley. I think I recall Milligan having a high on
    base % vs righties halfway through the season but then cooling off
    a bit. Are they sold on Melendez?
    
    Kevin 

    Some of the things I have read or heard from the Sportsline programs:
    
    1) Rumor of a trade with the Orioles sending Worthington to the
    Royals for D. Tartabull. I'll add that this was one of four or five
    trades (Royals and other teams) which mentioned Tartabull's name.
    
    2) Juan Bell's experiment with ss is over. Apparently the club has
    decided if he's going to make it to the bigs it will be as a second
    baseman.
    
    The above two from the most recent Baseball America.
    
    3) Jim Rice but be invited as a non-roster player to spring training
    to be handled similar to Bob Horner last spring.
    
    Further on -1. The Orioles now seem to have an excess of backup
    infielders Hulett, Gonzales (who is working on his hitting this
    winter with one of the Oriole coaches) and now Brumley with Juan
    Bell ? waiting in the wings. Maybe this is a move that will lead
    to another. What's the story with Brumley? I think Detroit got him
    from San Diego if I remember correctly.
    
    Kevin   

re a couple back:

Kevin,

You have to use the Bermanickname(tm) when you talk about a baseball
player.  Larry, is, I believe, referred to as Larry "Satin" Sheets.

HTH,
Chainsaw

    
    I'm glad that Orioles don't want to trade Craig "Cal" Worthington 
    for Jose "Can You See" Tartabull.  Craig ("Cal") has got too much
    potential.  While I hadn't heard it before, the Globe indicated that
    Tartabull is not exactly the most liked guy in the clubhouse, either.
    
    Guys, what do you think?  Should we move the Orioles discussions to
    BASEBALL permanently (that's my preference)?  It's primarily a
    three-person note here, so whatever you guys prefer...
    
    glenn

    Fine with me. I also agree in not trading Worthington for Tartabull,
    this guys name is mentioned far too often in trade rumors to trade
    someone as valuable as Worthington for. The club does not need to
    risk a trade for a potential troublemaker at this point.
    
    Kevin 

    could someone out ther inform me as to how i can get to the baseball
    note........
    
    thankx
    steve

    Second star to the right, straight on til morning ...
    
    Or press KP7 to add ASABET::BASEBALL to your notebook.
    
    Bob Hunt

    OK, I keep seeing these KP7 tricks in here.  How are you setting
    them up??
    
    The Wizard

    Re: the KP7 thingie ...
    
    On Note .17, I did ...
    
    
    	Notes > MODIFY NOTE /CONFERENCE=ASABET::BASEBALL
    
    Bob Hunt

    
    TV GUIDE'S VIEWERS POLL TO THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN ON TELEVISION
    
    1.  Kathie Lee Gifford	       17,796 votes
    2.  Jaclyn Smith			3,603
    3.  Nicollette Sheridan		3,074
    4.	Delta Burke			2,746
    5.	Melissa Brennan			2,620
    6.	Kirstie Alley			2,470
    7.	Dana Delany			2,107
    8.	Connie Sellecca			2,014
    9.	Stepfanie Kramer		1,841
    10.	Jasmine Guy			1,822
    11. Valerie Bertinelli		1,808
    12.	Phylicia Rashad			1,617
    
    Honorable mentions:
    
    Jane Pauley 			1,294
    Vanna White 			1,291
    Markie Post 			  818
    Wendy Kilbourne			  752
    Holly Robinson			  674
    "Downtown" Julie Brown		  666
    Victoria Principal			  402
    Deborah Norville			  363
    Christina Applegate			  143
    
    K.C. 

    On the bottom, on the top, who cares...unless it's Delta Burke who you
    definitely don't want on top. ;-)
    
    But Christina is the only one with a sport named after her...
    
    
    
    Bundy Jumping!

    Naturally, we must "analyze" this listing ...
        
    1.  Kathie Lee Gifford	       17,796 votes
    
         Obviously, people just can't stand to look at Regis Philbin. 
         Either that or Frank Gifford stuffed the ballot boxes.   Kathie
         Lee is tough stuff but 17,000+ votes is a bit amazing.   I would
         take a Carnival cruise if I knew she'd be on da boat, however.
    
    2.  Jaclyn Smith			3,603
    
         Has-been.   Typecast forevermore as one of Charlie's Bimbi.  Must
         have been the sentimental vote.  Either that or the brain-dead
         vote.  Should stick to cosmetics ads.
    
    3.  Nicollette Sheridan		3,074
    
         Who ???
    
    4.	Delta Burke			2,746
    
         Yawn.   The South has thousands of women whom this designing woman
         would need to get in line behind.
    
    5.	Melissa Brennan			2,620
    
         At least it's not Melissa Gilbert.
    
    6.	Kirstie Alley			2,470
    
         Awesome.  A man's woman.   Won my heart when she told Arsenio that
         she fantasizes about riding nude behind her guy on a Harley. 
         Yowza.
    
    7.	Dana Delany			2,107
    
         Can go the distance.  A little too nice on "China Beach".  Now
         needs some "nasty" girl roles to increase her "guy" appeal.
    
    8.	Connie Sellecca			2,014
    
         Another has-been but she's got staying power.  Has to avoid the
         Lindsay Wagner syndrome of showing up in nearly every
         tear-jerkin', low-budget "Made For TV" movie about somebody's
         fight with cancer or booze or an airline hijacking or ...
    
    9.	Stepfanie Kramer		1,841
    
         Who ???  Is this the lady from "Heart To Heart" ???   If so, she's
         way over the hill.   Must be a "veteran's committee" vote.
    
    10.	Jasmine Guy			1,822
    
         So-so.   The "Whitley" shtick was enough to boot Lisa Bonet back
         to Big Daddy Cos' show but it gets a little old after a while. 
         You sorta root for the "Dee-Wayne" loser to pop her a good one
         upside da haid every once in a while.
    
    11. Valerie Bertinelli		1,808
    
         A serious case of "Lindsay Wagner" syndrome.  Needs some meaty
         roles in a big way.   Oh, and bring Eddie Van Halen with ya, Val.  
         If we start to yawn, we can always ask Eddie to play some riffs
         for us.
    
    12.	Phylicia Rashad			1,617
    
         Another so-so.   Nice smile, nice eyes, attractive figure.   Kinda
         plain and she plays the second fiddle to Cos too much.   Twelfth
         place is about right.   Sorta get the feeling she wears the pants
         in her and Ahmad Rashad's family.  I mean the guy proposed to her
         during the Macy's Parade, fer cryin' out loud.
    
    Honorable mentions:
    
    Jane Pauley 			1,294
    
         Who cares ???   I'd ask her what Garry Trudeau has planned next
         for Uncle Duke before I'd start sizing her up for fun 'n' games.
    
    Vanna White 			1,291
    
         Vastly under-rated.  The best letter turner in the business. 
         Women's version of Ed McMahon -- found a way to get paid an
         enormous sum for doin' absolutely nuttin'.   A woman to be
         admired.   And can go to her left with amazing speed and skill.
    
    Markie Post 			  818
    
         Not bad.  She's had a couple of "Night Court" episodes where she
         let her hair hang down, so to speak.  She's got the total package. 
         Just needs a chance to "play every day".
    
    Wendy Kilbourne			  752
    
         A little too sweet, a little too nice.   There were better ladies
         in "North and South" especially Leslie Anne Downes, Kirstie Alley,
         and the gal who played the big-time slut, Ashton.  Sigh.
    
    Holly Robinson			  674
    
         Who ???
         
    "Downtown" Julie Brown		  666
    
         MTV bubble-haid.  Go back to wherever you're faking that accent
         from.
    
    Victoria Principal			  402
    
         Another "Lindsay Wagner" syndrome sufferer.  Lost all respect for
         her after she "dreamed" Bobby Ewing back onto the show.   Nothing
         a few more Playboy spreads wouldn't cure, however.
    
    Deborah Norville			  363
    
         A TV news bubblehead.  Worse than an MTV bubblehead.   Rather have
         Jane Pauley tell me what's wrong with the world.   Hell, I'd
         rather have David Hartman tell me the news than this gal.
    
    Christina Applegate			  143
    
         Future star.  Has all the moves and has the perfect role.   The
         sky's the limit.
         
    Some others who were left out ...
    
    Paula Abdul
    
         Enough to make me buy stock in Diet Coke.   My, oh my, oh my.  Can
         have anything she wants from me.  Where do I sign ???
    
    Joan Lunden
    
         Not too shabby in a maternal kinda way.  Overplays the "mom" thing
         on "Good Morning, America" just a bit but ya gotta figure she
         didn't get all dem kids from doing crossword puzzles, right ???
    
    Alley Mills (sp?)
    
         Kevin Arnold's mom on "The Wonder Years" has got the right stuff,
         too.  You can do a helluva lot worse than a gal like her.
    
    Joanna Kerns
    
         Another "mom" type.  Plays Carol Seaver on "Growing Pains" and has
         to give way to Alan Thicke and Kirk Cameron.  But she is a
         stunning blonde who could be a "Lindsay Wagner" type if she's not
         careful.  Here's hoping she doesn't.
    
    Judith Light
    
         "Angela" on "Who's The Boss".  Lets Tony Danza and "Mona" steal
         the show too often but she can stun you.  Needs to just jump
         Danza's bones once and be done with it.  Otherwise, the "tease"
         label might stick.
    
    Alyssa Milano
    
         Danza's daughter on "Who's The Boss".   A superstar in the making. 
         Will be a top-drawer beauty by the mid-1990s.   Her face was the
         animator's model for Ariel, Disney's "Little Mermaid".   Can swim
         with the best of them.
    
    Sabrina Lebeauf
    
         The oldest daughter on The Cosby Show.  Tough stuff.
         
    Any more ???
    
    Bob Hunt

    Bob,
    
    FWIW, heard on the radio that poor Paula Abdul won't appear on
    the MTV awards because they showed a clip of her when she was
    14, fat, and had a different nose.......waaaaaaa!!

>>  3.  Nicollette Sheridan		3,074
>>      
>>         Who ???
 

 Bob,

  Go rent "The Sure Thing"  Great movie.  Nicollette is the sure thing.

 Mike

    � Go rent "The Sure Thing"  Great movie.  Nicollette is the sure thing.
    
    Oh my, am I red-faced.   I've seen "The Sure Thing" 2 or 3 times and it
    is a *FABULOUS* movie.    Hilariously funny in some spots like the
    hitchhiking scene and the beer shotgun scene.   Highly, highly
    recommended.
    
    I did not recall Nicollette's name in the movie but she was a serious
    stone fox.   Most definitely worth a ride across the country singing
    show tunes.  "Feelings, nothing more than feelings ..."
    
    What does she do in TV now ???   I didn't recognize her from anything
    current.
    
    She's way up there.   Way up.
    
    Bob Hunt

    .23�    2.  Jaclyn Smith			3,603
    .23�         Has-been.   Typecast forevermore as one of Charlie's Bimbi.  Must
    .23�         have been the sentimental vote.  Either that or the brain-dead
    .23�         vote.  Should stick to cosmetics ads.
    
    	You need to open you eyes! She's still one of the most AWESOME
    creatures around.  This pole is for looks, not brains!
    
    B.A.

    �	You need to open you eyes! She's still one of the most AWESOME
    � creatures around.  
    
    Old news, B.A., old news.   This is most definitely a "what have you
    done for me lately" issue.  Jaclyn had it and still does to some degree
    but we're talking some serious *yesterday*, dude.
    
    � This pole is for looks, not brains!
    
    Now there's a Freudian slip if I've *ever* seen one.   I think
    (snicker) you meant (heh-heh) to say (guffaw, guffaw) that the *poll*
    is for looks, not brains.
    
    And, furthermore, I am mortified to admit that I have forgotten one of
    today's most outstanding "talents".  All I can do is plead temporary
    insanity.   The one, the only ...
    
    Jamie Lee Curtis
    
         She's still new in the TV biz, appearing with Richard Lewis in
         "Anythig But Love", but this is *no* excuse for leaving her off
         the list.   Jamie Lee is first-ballot Hall Of Fame material. 
         She's the reason no one is allowed to tape over my copies of
         "Trading Places" and "A Fish Called Wanda".  Sheer beauty in a
         breathtaking package.  Our thanks to Janet Leigh and Tony Curtis
         for staying married long enough to give us this goddess.
         
    Bob Hunt
    
    P.S.  Disclaimer time -- I trust the women in this conference are
    reading all this as I am intending it -- with tongue planted firmly in
    cheek.  If I have offended, I am sorry.  No offense is intended.
    
    Oh, and please feel free to enter your own "commentary" about today's
    male personages.  We'd love to hear your thoughts.
    
    

    .28�         the list.   Jamie Lee is first-ballot Hall Of Fame material. 
    
    	But she has no T*ts! I'm sorry to see.  She has talent, but no
    looks!
    
    .28�    Now there's a Freudian slip if I've *ever* seen one.   I think
    
    .28�         "Anythig But Love", but this is *no* excuse for leaving her off
    
    	Right "Anything?"  Ok. I'm getting picky, not too worry, I'm only
    having fun. :*)
    
    B.A.

    �	But she {Jamie Lee Curtis} has no T*ts! I'm sorry to see.  She has
    � talent, but no looks!
    
    B.A.,
    
    With all due respect, you are out of your cotton-pickin' mind.   
    
    Jamie Lee Curtis has no "title"s ???   Get up, B.A.  Right now, B.A.  
    Drive down to your local video store and rent "Trading Places", B.A.  
    Stick in into your VCR, B.A.   That's good, B.A.   Now press "Play",
    B.A.   Good, B.A.
    
    Now watch it for about, oh, 45 minutes or so, B.A.  Okay, Louis
    Winthorp (played by Dan Akyroyd) is now a bum on the streets.  He's
    been fired from Duke & Duke and his fiancee and all his money, cars,
    clothes, and house are gone.  With me so far, B.A. ???  Good.
    
    Jamie Lee plays Ophelia, a Philly hooker, who unwittingly helps "Louie"
    lose his fiancee.  She takes pity on him and invites him to her small
    little flat in a run-down section of town.   There she makes him a deal
    that she'll help him get his act back together and he'll pay her a lot
    of cash.
    
    Okay, get your "Pause" button ready, B.A.   Ready ???
    
    She goes into her room and ...
    
                            * * * N O W * * *
    
    *NOW*, B.A., press "Pause" right freakin' *NOW*, B.A.   Dem is *MAJOR
    LEAGUE* titles, B.A.   Superstars.   La creme de la creme.  No doubt
    whatsoever.
    
    Okay, you can let go of the "Pause" button, B.A.   B.A. ???    B.A. ??? 
    Let go of it, B.A.   Let go of the "Pause" button, B.A.   You'll ruin
    the tape that way, B.A.    Look, you're finger is turning red, B.A. 
    You're holding the remote control way too tight, B.A.   You're gonna
    snap it, B.A.
    
    Help !!!  Is there a doctor in the house ???   Not you, Midnight.   
    
    "I said, "Doctor, doctor.  Mr. MD.   Won't you please come see, ooooh,
    what's ailing me."
    
    Man, she's one of the very finest.   
    
    Bob Hunt

    I'll second that Bob. I used to have a P-name that said
    'I'd trade places with Dan Ackroyd'
    
    Wayne

    
    Not that *I'd* ever consider extending a rathole or a junk note,
    but IMO, Kirstie Alleycat has a wide butt, runny eyes, and the most
    irritating whiney gravelly voice.
    
    Shari Belefonte, however, was most heinously left off the list.
    
    Dickster
    
    P.S.  Watch a lot of TV, huh Bob?
    

    � Not that *I'd* ever consider extending a rathole or a junk note, but
    � IMO, Kirstie Alleycat has a wide butt, runny eyes, and the most
    � irritating whiney gravelly voice.
    
    The Harley, Dickster, remember the Harley ...   The wind, the speed,
    the rumble of the machine underneath you and all you have to do is lean
    back a little and there she is.
    
    � Shari Belefonte, however, was most heinously left off the list.
    
    Agreed.  Great voice, too.
    
    
    � P.S.  Watch a lot of TV, huh Bob?
    
    I actually don't watch most of these shows, believe it or not.   Have
    seen bits and pieces of some of them.  I do refuse to miss "The Wonder
    Years", however.
    
    Bob Hunt

Well, I'm kind of partial to Markie Post myself.  As has been
previously stated, there's been a couple of HOT Night Court episodes,
but the one that gets me was her guest appearance on an early episode
of Cheers (during the Coach days).

As Hawk will attest to I'm sure, I had over a gallon of drool collected
after that episode.....

And Christina is still my honey....

'Saw

I believe Nicolette Sheridan is on Knot's Landing? 

daryll

    Yeah Nicolette plays "Page" on Knot's Landing.  Also, Holly Robinson is
    the gal from 21 Jump St.
    
    
    I'll second Jamie Lee in Trading Places! WOW!
    
    Mike_who's_wife_is_a_Knot's_Landing_fan

    I knew almost none of those names unfortunately.  Don't get to see too
    many TV shows...  But I do agree with a few comments.
    
    Bob, B.A. was right on.  There is not a more beautiful face to grace
    the television set in 20 years than Jaclyn Smith.  And the rest of the
    package is nothing to complain about.
    
    As for Jamie Lee, I've long been an admirer.  Her cleavage factor in
    "Wanda" was entirely off the scale!  I find her looking a little bit
    plain these days as she ages (gracefully).  But if you really went to
    get to know Jamie Lee Curtis, you just gotta see the movie she was in
    with John Revolting, where he was a Rolling Stone reporter and she was
    an aerobics instructor par excellance.  Don't remember the title, but
    it's not a bad movie and Jamie Lee excels.
    
    Two others that I want to add are Victoria Jackson on Saturday Night
    Live.  Yeah, a bit of an airhead, but so soft and cushiony looking. 
    The other is on a show that I've never watched more than 5 minutes of
    at a time - Charles in Charge.  Frank, this one is for you!  There's a
    girl of about 20 on this show which will just drop your jaw.  Makes
    Kelly Bundy look like Meatloaf.
    
    Dan

  �  Bob, B.A. was right on.  There is not a more beautiful face to grace
  �  the television set in 20 years than Jaclyn Smith.  And the rest of the
  �  package is nothing to complain about.
   
    Hey, Jaclyn Smith is *not*, repeat *NOT*, chopped liver.   Her "salad
    days" are behind her, that's all I meant to say.
     
    � As for Jamie Lee, I've long been an admirer.  Her cleavage factor in
    � "Wanda" was entirely off the scale!  I find her looking a little bit
    � plain these days as she ages (gracefully).  But if you really went to
    � get to know Jamie Lee Curtis, you just gotta see the movie she was in
    � with John Revolting, where he was a Rolling Stone reporter and she was
    � an aerobics instructor par excellance.  Don't remember the title, but
    � it's not a bad movie and Jamie Lee excels.
    
    "Wanda" was a riot.  I loved the scenes with her and John Cleese. 
    Cleese might just be the world's funniest man and it was a joy to watch
    his face and his expressions as Jamie Lee worked her charms.   I think
    her "Plain Jane" look right now is a result of the character she's
    playing on "Anything But Love".   No reason to expect her to keep
    this up long-term.
    
    The movie with Travolta, an under-rated actor who's picked some really
    bogus roles to work with, was called "Perfect".   The critics hated it
    but Jamie Lee's aerobics classes were worth the price of admission. 
    There was one class where Travolta, the reporter, was sweating along
    with the rest of the "students" and Jamie Lee, the teacher, was up on
    the podium looking right at him doing all kinds of ummm, well, never
    mind, you get the idea.  Whew, hot in here all of a sudden ...
    
    � Two others that I want to add are Victoria Jackson on Saturday Night
    � Live.  Yeah, a bit of an airhead, but so soft and cushiony looking. 
    
    Victoria Jackson is the real thing.  No doubt.  The dumb blonde thing
    is an act.  She can hit, hit for power, and has speed on the base
    paths.
    
    And Dan, "soft and cushiony" ???   Careful there, guy, that's a little
    too close to symptoms of "Alan Alda Disorder". Get a little more
    "ooomph" in your descriptions of these babes.   It's the '90s, man,
    time for us guys to toss the quiche out the window.   Hey, I saw it in
    "Redbook" just last month.
    
    Bob Hunt

       Speaking of Marina!! One of our 'field trips' while at DECWORLD was
    up to the GB. She's still performing there (at least 'a' Marina is
    there). One of the regulars said she isn't there all the time.
       MArkie Post also played a hooker in one a them 'made for TV' movies.
    Outstanding!! To say the least.
                                       Denny  

Yes, the girl in Charles in Charge is definitely something else.
I've often sat through many insipid episodes just to catch a glimpse
of her....

Victoria Jackson also gets a big vote from me too.

Another to look for is Courtney Thorne-Smith.  She played Kusacks girlfriend
on LA Law last season - her role was that of a Laker Girl/Dance Instructor
who Mickey met when Roxanne was taking singing/dancing lessons and had
an extra lesson in the law offices...  Courtney is certainly FINE.....

'Saw

    And speaking of LA Law, Michelle Greene is no slouch, either.  She
    plays Abby Perkins, the young and impetuous associate lawyer.   Very
    easy on the eyes ...
    
    There was another girl on LA Law from one or two years ago.  Remember
    the 20-ish girl who had the hots for the old goat Leland McKenzie,
    played by old pro Richard Dysart ???   Remember when he was daydreaming
    about her during a staff meeting ???   Whew, talk about your torts and
    acquittals ...
    
    And, of course, there's also (Corbin Bernsen) Arnold Becker's "stable"
    of young fillies.  He goes through 'em like candy.   And (Jimmy Smits)
    Victor Sifuentes doesn't spend too many nights alone, either.
    
    Definite high marks for quantity *and* quality on that show ...
    
    Susan Dey and Jill Eikenberry are ho-hummers.  Not too tart, not too
    sweet.   They're more into their legal crusades than the LA scene.
    
    Bob Hunt

The A-list
----------
Paula Zahn  - CBS morning show
Any of the "In Living Color" dancers
Doogie Howser's girlfriend Wanda
Jamie Lee Curtis
The daughter on "Coach"


The Z-list   {make sure your lunch has settled}
----------
Roseanne
Bea Arthur
Rue McClanahan
Betty White
Barbara Walters


and my ultimate fantasy girl...


Miss Jane from the Beverly Hillbillies.

    
    	Now that you've ask me to remove my racin'. wrestlin' and feetball
    tapes from the VCR, I must admit that J.L.Cur-minus the tis, had to use
    alot of kleenex to have that size.  It only took a second to realize
    that I've been wasting my time loking for something that isn't there.
    
    	Real women don't dream about riding Harley's naked, real women do
    it!
    
    Have a BIG weekend! Pun intended!
    
    B.A.

    re. Charles in Charge. Are you guys refering to the oldest daughter
    Jamie? He name is Nicole Eggert. If it is she has a pretty good scene
    in Bronson's Kinjite, she gets spanked in her undies as the cops break
    in and bust it all up. 
    
    
    re Joanna Kearns, she plays Maggie Seaver. Carol is played by Tracy
    Gold.
    
    My top ten.
    
    1. Christina Applegate - Married Wif 'Chillin
    2. Jamie Lunar - "Just the 10 of Us.
    3. Paula Abdul - 'nuf said
    4. Da playboy bunnie on Baywatch, you guys should see her playmate video.
    Damn near burned a hole in the vcr.
    5. Julie Mcculough (sp) - Kirk's love interest in Growing Pains.
    Another plamate.
    6. Heather LOcklear - whenever she is on T.V.
    7. Alyissa Milano - da only reason I ever see WHo's the Boss.
    8. The redhead in Haid of the class
    9. Nicollet Sheridan - Never seen KNots landing, but I did see The Sure
    thing.
    10. Lori Laughlin - The show where the 3 guys have three daughters
    
    Nexted 10
    
    11. Nicole Eggert - Charles in Charge
    12. Tracy Gold - growing Pains
    13. Holly Robinson - 21 Jump Street.
    14. The daughter on Coach
    15. Susan Ashley - Remote Control
    16. Brooke Theis - just da 10 of us
    17. Bob Uecker's wife on Mr. Belvadere
    18. Courtney Cox - Alex's girlfriend on Family Ties
    19. Melissa Brennen - Days of our lives
    20. Maggie Simpson - Sure know's how to blow the sax.
    
    Dem was just of da top of my haid

>    20. Maggie Simpson - Sure know's how to blow the sax.
 
     Isn't Maggie the baby?  She sucks a binky.  

>    Dem was just of da top of my haid

     You watch much tv or what?!  

    I watch very little tv, but if I'm home it is usually on no matter what
    I am doing. 

>
>    I watch very little tv, but if I'm home it is usually on no matter what
>    I am doing. 

I'm kind of the same way.  

The Simpson who blows the mean sax is Lisa I think.  Doesn't Marge
yell "Lisa, get away from that Jazz Man" when she sees her out
on the bridge jammin' wif da dude?

Another hot lady had a guest spot on 21 Jump Street, where she played
one of Johnny Depp's old girlfriends.  She's a really pretty 
redhead name Tracy Griffith.  She also played a psychic in 
"The First Power" which was a movie out early this summer....YUM....

later folks,
'Saw

    Read in the paper that Kathy Lee Gifford actually campaigned for the
    poll.  She asked viewers of Regis and Kathy Lee to vote for her.  Of
    all the egocentric nerve!
    
    The girl from Jump Street said she wished she had a talk show to do the
    same.
    
    And by the way, if Jackie Smith can get votes, then I guess we're free
    to vote for Jane Kennedy too.  There, we're back to sports!
    
    	--dan'l

Yup Kathie Lee did stoop to begging for votes. Now for Jamie Lee Fans if
you really want to see all that she is about you have to somehow find a
copy of an HBO movie she made title "Letters". She discovers in some letters
of her mothers that her mother had an extra-maritial affair and at the same
time she falls for a guy who's married. Good acting on her part even better 
T&A on her part...

mike

umm dudes...

I think the whole Kathi Lee shlomping for votes thing was her way of making fun 
at the whole poll. IMHO she did a great job at making the whole thing look
foolish.

Metz

    Think Rick Dees' co-host on "Into the night" has a brain?  She's
    fun to look at.   Definitely a "thumbs up for McKenzie's girlfriend
    and the Laker girl on LA Law too.
    
    -Walt

    On a sports-related tangent, whatever happened to Kerrie Ross, who used
    to do the late-night (2:30 AM EST) ESPN SportsCenter for about 6 months
    to a year.  It occurs to me I haven't seen her for a long time.  SHe
    mangled every single sports report, but was no slouch when it came to
    pretty faces in the middle of the night.
    
    Dan

    	I think Kerrie Ross now works for SNN.  I believe ESPN hired
    her because she was friends with the Oklahoma football coach.
    
    				/Don

   Almost the only thing I watch on Le Tube is sports... so I don't
   even know who half of these bim.. uh.. ladies are.

   `HOWEVER' he exclaimed, in a rare show of generosity `I'd be happy to
   take Bob Hunt's two HAS BEENS (Jaclyn Smiff and Connie Selleca), and
   board them at my house for a few years.'

   Mike JN's HHH Association (Home for Handpicked Hasbeens)

	The girl from Charles in Charge is hot.  Charles' friend (played 
by one of the kids from Eight is Enough) makes Woody from Cheers look like
a genius.  Has to be the dumbest character on TV.

mc

    
    I love da wimmens Billy Idol picks for his videos.
    
    Dickster
    

    If'n ya wanna talk about chicks in vids ya gotta talk about "Lay it
    Down" by Ratt. Maryanne Gravette (playmate of the year 1982) is in it.
    Too Hot.
    
    

    To digress further:
    
    FWIW, Billy Idol has withdrawn from playing the part of the Terminator
    in Terminator II.  I think he would have been great at this part.  No
    talking, just violence.  
    
    Oh well, guess they'll have to get Don Knotts now.
    
    	--dan'l
    

    
    Janet Jackson was *hot* on the MTV awards lasted night.  I almost
    fainted when she ripped open her shirt. (Although I don't care much
    for the lip-sync in front of a live audience.)
    
    Skinhead O'Connor:  Get a wig, willya.  Ya remind me of the kids
    in grammar school with cooties.
    
    Dickster
    

Dickster,

The radio station down here (WPLR 99 ROCK) calls her Shine-head....

She looked like Gandhi last night in that white dress.  But what
really made the outfit was those Army boots.  Geez, I could use
a pair like that when I go tramping through the pasture.

Arsenio's glasses had to go, but if I was casting Alice in Wonderland,
he'd make an EXCELLENT Mad-Hatter....

Only saw the tail end of the awards anyway...  though Cher was lookin'
good.....


'Saw

    
    Didja ever notice that in more and more of these award shows, it's
    only the winners that show up?  Like they know in advance who's
    going to win?  "What? they want me to attend an' I ain't gettin
    nuttin?  Tell 'em to piss off!"
    
    Also the awards always seem to go to whoever is the hottest at the
    time, not who is the best, simply for ratings purposes.  Dontcha
    think if the New Kids were available that evening, they "somehow"
    would have ended up with all kinds of awards.
    
    I didn't stay up for the whole thing, but from what I saw, Paula
    Abdul was getting stiffed left and right for her "Opposites Attract"
    video.  Again, no wonder she didn't show up.  Either that, or she
    couldn't make it so they gave all the awards to someone else.
    
    Sheesh, it's getting almost as bad as the baseball all-star voting.
    
    Dickster
    

    I think Sin�ad is classy.  She is herself.  She does not compromise for
    the sake of art or appearance.  I repect that.  
    
    I'm one of those "post-modern" types and so are most of my friends.  I
    know girls who had shaved heads before Sin�ad made it popular.  I know
    girls who wear "underwear" to clubs.  In fact, at my club here in
    Charlotte, Janet Jackson would have been overdressed.
    
    Arsenio's outfit was the deal.  If I had enough money, I'd wear that
    too (though I'd probably choose something other than lime green for my
    duster).  The silk pants were fabulous.
    
    But anyway, your comments are very welcome.  Just remember the whole
    message of last night's show and a message I think we're all pretty
    familiar with: Value Differences.
    
    	--dan'l

    >I think Sin�ad is classy.  She is herself.  She does not compromise for
    >the sake of art or appearance.  I respect that.
    
    I respect your opinion dan'l, but I disagree 100%.  I think her
    appearance has a purpose- to draw more attention to herself.  She could
    be a very attractive woman with a nice 'do, but she'd just be another
    pretty face with a decent voice.  Now, she's noticed because of the
    outrageous look first, and a decent voice second.  And that's just the
    bull that she says she's "not compromising".  I think she's riding the
    wave of the '60s anti-establishment revival.
    
    Now, I could respect her if she appears in a Sy Sperling commercial.....
    :-)
    
    Hawk

>            -< She's too ugly for me to buy any of her music..... >-

You'd head to the record store to buy her albums if she had hair?  
                                
>                                                                  She could
>    be a very attractive woman with a nice 'do, but she'd just be another
>    pretty face with a decent voice.  

*If* she let her hair grow she'd be just another pretty face with a decent 
voice.  But since she doesn't have hair, she's what?  I don't understand.

A decent voice?  Her voice is a tad more than decent.  Too bad her 
unconventional looks kept you from experiencing it.

    I caint beleive anyone actually watches the MTV video awards - at
    least anyone  over the age of say, 14.  I flipped through the stations
    and caught the 'banned in the USA' segment with 2 live crew.
    Absolutely horrible.   If I could believe any of the bozos were
    actually sincere in their motives, I might listen, but they are
    all shallow twerps who flit from 'cause' to 'cause' - as long as
    the camera is on them.   These bozos will do anything for publicity,
    and hey, it keeps the adolescents busy, doesn't it.
    
    JD

    	I thought the homeless were the latest cause celebre?  Guess
    it's back to status quo for them along with the starving.  Maybe
    a war in the mideast would give everyone a cause.  You know for
    and against.  MTV could have a special mud 'rasslin contest between
    the hawks and the doves.
    
    				/Don

I like Sinead's music.  I also think she has very pretty eyes, and
quite a few of my friends have said that it takes a pretty woman
to pull off the Marine Corps haircut she sports.

I didn't care for her outfit last night.  I thought it was pretty
ridiculous.  I mean, it is an awards show and all, and she looked
like she just came from mucking the stable.  The boots were too
much and she did look like Gandhi (or is it Ghandi?)


Personally I didn't feel that Sinead's video was all that great.
I thought the Paula Abdul video was much more intruiging and crisp.

And I also think that the point about who's hot now winning is
right on.

Finally, does anyone know what Micheal Penn said to get bleeped?

'Saw

PS  I think it stinks too that a video with a shi**y song can beat
    out a great song with a mediocre video.  Just shows the depth
    our culture has sunk too.....

    How dare you lecture me, young lady!  :-)
    
    Actually, I still wouldn't buy her music if she had hair.  I'll be
    honest that, when I first heard her "hit" on the radio, I was a bit
    intrigued by it and was curious who this Sinead O'Connor was.  Then,
    while flicking the remote past MTV one day, the tune caught my ear.
    Unfortunately, her appearance turned me off and it turned around that
    bit of interest that I did have.  See, I believe a performer must be
    somewhat pleasant in appearance, to accentuate their primary talent. 
    To purposely ruin your appearance, especially to make a "statement",
    makes no sense at all.
    
    Take a Tom Selleck or a Mel Gibson, for example.  They're great actors,
    and they're appearances have a great deal to do with their popularity,
    which undoubtedly has helped their acting careers.  Look at Normie on
    Cheers.  Do you think he'd still be on the show and doing beer
    commercials if he ruined his appearance by using Slimfast?  Would /Don
    Workouts be best-sellers if the Slasher looked like Isiah Thomas?
    
    I still think Sinead puposely makes herself look ugly to help her
    singing career.......  
    
    And, don't get mad, it's JMHO!
    
    Hawk Sperling

    RE: Sin�ad
    
    O'Connor had a shaved head long before she signed a record contract. 
    See the May issue of Rolling Stone.  I heard her music three years ago
    and ran right out to buy it.  I had no idea she had a shaved head and
    didn't care.  She truely has one of the most versatile and powerful
    voices, male or female, to hit the charts in quite some time.
    
    And I think she's beautiful.  But that's in the eye of the
    beholder...and boy would I like to be holdin her.
    
    RE: 2 Live Crew
    
    Last night's performance proves that these guys shouldn't be near a
    microphone.  This band would have been in the unemployment line by now
    if the ultra-conservatives would have kept their mouths shut.  Now
    they are millionaires because of controversy and not tallent.
    
    I passed the age of 14 twelve years ago.  I'm thrilled to see the music
    I've loved for most of my life, what MTV has termed "post-modern",
    finally win in the mainstream (i.e. O'Connor).  And as far as
    production goes, you had to see the whole show.  There was a message to
    America in the production and theme that even the biggest Jesse Helms
    moronish supportor couldn't miss.
    
    Ooops.  Sorry there for not valuing differences.  Jesse Helms is about
    as different as they come.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    MTV, in my opinion is the worst thing that has ever happened to 
    music. It's a joke. It's all metal, rap, crap and sap with a few
    good spots here and there. I'd rather watch the "North American
    Curling Championships than MTV.
    
    
    
    Steve

Well, I guess it's all personal tastes....

I like Sinead's music, and agree about her voice.  But Hawk has
a real good point too.

If I'm a heavy metal musician, I've got to look the part, really.
If I'm a rapper, I've got to look like a rapper and not like a 
heavy metal dude....

Oh well....
'Saw


PS  I'm glad censorship if finally becoming an issue, in that it's been
    one of my pet peeves for a *long* time!

    Actually, I should be thankful that Sinead O'Conner isn't another RAP
    band!  With that thought in mind, I kinda like her shaved head and
    Ghandhi military look!  :-)
    
    Hawk

>    How dare you lecture me, young lady!  :-)
 
You needed it, pops. (-:
   
>    Actually, I still wouldn't buy her music if she had hair.  I'll be
>    honest that, when I first heard her "hit" on the radio, I was a bit
>    intrigued by it and was curious who this Sinead O'Connor was.  Then,
>    while flicking the remote past MTV one day, the tune caught my ear.
>    Unfortunately, her appearance turned me off and it turned around that
>    bit of interest that I did have.  See, I believe a performer must be
>    somewhat pleasant in appearance, to accentuate their primary talent. 
>    To purposely ruin your appearance, especially to make a "statement",
>    makes no sense at all.
 
I wonder what you did before MTV ever graced your television.  Who was it
who said, "Video killed the radio star?"  What statement is she trying to
make?  
   
>    I still think Sinead puposely makes herself look ugly to help her
>    singing career.......  
 
That's asinine.  Perhaps one would shave their head to help a career but
it wouldn't help a *singing* career.  If that were the case, you could shave
your head and make millions, right?
  
>    And, don't get mad, it's JMHO!

I'm not mad.  Your opinion is that you think she's ugly and you don't like 
her song.  That's fine.  It's the rest of your note I find ludicrous. 
   
>    Hawk Sperling

Karen_who's_gut_plenty_o'_hair

    Boy, this is one of the best Fridays in here in a long time!  I love
    it.  Too bad I have so much work to do.  Grrrrrrr.
    
    Yes, appearance does have a lot to do with it.  By Hawks theory,
    though, he's just ruled out some of the greatest ugly singers of all
    time including Bob Dylan and Mick Jagger and Springstein.
    
    To some people, Jagger was sexy.  To others he was ugly.  But did those
    people stop buying his music just because he's ugly?  How close-minded
    can you be?
    
    Hey Hawk, move to NC and vote for Uncle Jesse!  No wait, he's ugly too
    and probably not worthy of your image-reliant opinions.
    
    	--dan'l

    Dan'l,
    
    Since your reply of a few back seemed to be directed at me, let
    me tell ya that the politics of Jesse Helms are further away from
    mine than Pluto is from Seattle.   As for Sinead, I bought her first
    album before it was played - however, I didn't buy her latest cuz
    I think it sips.
    
    As for MTV - I think it has been BAD for music - they have not moved
    music anywhere - they still cater to the top 40 and the BIG artists.
    And, they've made it clear that in order to be sucessful ya gotta
    look good on camera, and ya gotta hope the video is a sucess - not
    the music.  
    
    If a performer sell discs, makes money, and hopefully dresses funny/has
    some sort of cause/looks funny, then that almost guarentees success
    on MTV.
    
    And MTV's target audience is the lucrative 12-18 year old market.
    
    JD

    Re:  Lighten up America!
    
    dan'l, didn't you write that?
    
    > By Hawk's theory, he's just ruled out some of the greatest ugly
    > singers of all time including Bob Dylan and Mick Jagger and
    > Springsteen.
    
    Au contraire, dan'l!  These guys' appearances exactly fit their music,
    and as their music evolved, so did their "look".  They are exactly what
    my "theory" presents!
    
    Whoa, this is gettin' heavy, even fo' me......  :-)
    
    Hawk Fleetwood

Personally, when I feel like having this type of thing on in the 
background, I'll turn on VH1. Beats the hell out of MTV and 
doesn't have the lame Vj's to boot.

daryll

    RE: lame-o Vjs...  You must mean Adam "can't you tell I'm Farrah
    Fawcett's brother" Curry?  I like the guy who does The Week in Rock.
    
    

Yes, video has produced such wonderous modern talents as Milli Vanilli
and New Kids on the Block.....

Sorry folks, but I'm an old school musician.  If you can't cut the licks
with your ax live you ain't worth sh_t.  Emerson Lake and Palmer 
stretched my feeling quite a bit with some of their music, and 
Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody stretched it to the limit ( as much as I
enjoyed those groups).

Nowadays you have these lip sync wonders with a carefully created
image to sell to JD's aforementioned 12-18 year olds.

Personally, I'll take a band that can cut it with their axes.  Gimme
the Allman Brothers any day....

'Saw    
    

    When MTV and VH1 (or whatever the hell it's called) has people like
    Sarah Vaughan (RIP), Maureen McGovern and Ella Fitzgerald singing the
    finest music the Gershwin Brothers and Irving Berlin wrote, or when
    they start showing old videos of Glenn Miller and Benny Goodman, then
    I'll start watching.  Until then, I don't bother.
    
    John

Dan'l and Saw...


You're my kind of people...Personally I don't give a hoot what the performer 
looks like. I don't watch MTV so I couldn't even tell you what half of them
look like. I like alternative music (I just haven't been able to find a
decent radio station in Seattle yet) so I'd much rather load up the Sony with
5 cd's and listen to my music than the crap that MTV plays.

I've got friends that put it on as soon as they get home and leave it on all
night...talk about mind numbing....

Personal appearance....Bah..It's the music that counts...

You're trying to tell me that Tom Petty and Joe Strummer and Mark Knoffler
made it big in the music industry because they have looks? That's like says 
Jack Benny made it big on tv because he could play the violin :-)

It's talent...the good ones make it on talent...groups like Poison make it
on pretty boy looks and videos...they won't be around for long..


Metz

    Yeah, Hawk, it's getting heavy for me too.  And perhaps I was a bit
    overzealous about two things I'm very passionate about, music and
    fashion.  I guess I can now be in a league with Hal Whitehead when it
    comes to unnecessary overzealousness. :-)
    
    All I was trying to say was to discount a singer because of their looks
    makes you miss out on so much.  You said yourself that the song
    intrigued you, but when you saw her you developed a distaste
    for the song.  That just doesn't make sense to me, but to each his own.
    
    FWIW, I don't like Springstein, but it's because I think he can't sing,
    not because he's ugly.  Isn't there a difference in the two scenarios?
    
    I'm even confusing myself.
    
    Oh well, I know what I like.  And you know what you like.  And that's
    all that counts.
    
    In the tradition of this note, Christina Applegate looked good as ever
    last night.  And she had hair too.  
    
    	--dan'l  (who shaved his head once but that was for swimming,
    	 	  and ooooooooh didn't the women love it!)

    
    I'm not a 14-year old, but I play one in here.
    
    I usually switch to MTV and VH1 between commercials of whatever
    else I'm watching.  When these stations first came out, I watched
    them a helluva lot more than I do now.  I found out just how fast
    you can get sick of a song when viewing a video as compared to
    listening to the radio alone.
                                
    My folks got me to appreciate the Big Bands, and my wife got me
    interested in the classics, and I just assimilated that into the
    regular white boy stuff I grew up with.  I've never liked C & W
    because nobody I knew listened to it, and I never learned what it
    was about (but I think Infidelity, Dee-vorce, and Trucks about covers
    it 8^)).  I don't care for Rap, but my 14-year old does, and by
    watching at least a little bit of it, there's one more thing we
    can talk about.
    
    I thought Christina Applegate looked a little puffy in the face
    last night.  Could anyone tell if she was sweatin' a lot?
    
    Dickster
    

    Metz,
    
    If you like alternative music then you should recognize that most of my
    p_names are lyrics from alternative songs.  Except for the one I'm
    sporting now.  Well kinda.
    
    Last night my favorite local (Johnson City, Tennessee) played their
    final gig before calling it quits for a while.  Brian and the
    Nightmares was your average band that played: rockabilly blues country
    rock classic surf punk music.  Quite a combination.
    
    One fun song they had was about a guy who used his dead girlfriend as a
    surfboard.  It was called "She's a Surfboard Now."  Thus, today's
    p_name.  Then they'd follow that with some Stevie Ray or Guthrie cover. 
    Followed by an "I am a Rock" or "These Boots" rockabilly/blues cover.
    That's about as versatile as they come.
    
    Hats off to Brian and the Nightmares.  
    
    And if anyone down Houston way gets a chance, go see Brian Relleva in
    the near future, do so.  He's the lead singer who's going out on his
    own.  Why Houston, I don't know.
    
    Later.
    
    	--dan'l

Dickster --

re C&W....

	As probably the only person in the world who has a thing for
	C&W *and* Heavy Metal, I can comment.

	Like other musical forms these days, C&W has been vastly influenced
	by music outside the normal domain of CW.  Just as there
	are many forms of jazz, so are there many forms of CW.

	True, there's "classic" stuff by Hank Williams Sr, which I really
	love, but most of today's stuff is influenced by pop and rock.

	Groups like Alabama and Canyon blend traditional southern harmony
	with up tempo stuff.  Harmonies have always fascinated me, from
	barbershop quartet stuff to the Grateful Dead.  CW is *full*
	of harmonies...groups like the Kentucky Headhunters, 
	Wild Rose (not to be confused with Hartfords womens' rugby team ;^))
	and Sawyer Brown all fuse more or less traditional harmonies with
	other influences.

	True, subject matter is often about life's troubles and such, but
	so is 99% of the blues.

	And look at the crossover popularity of Hank Jr's parody of his
	own "All My Rowdy Friends" which is used to open MNF....

	Give country a listen sometime.  Personally, I can do without
	all the old twangy Tammy Wynette stuff, but Dwight Yoakam,
	Clint Black, Skip Ewing, Canyon, Alabama all can give you something
	easy to listen to that makes you feel good.

Would I use C&W to psyche up for a game, or to go lift weights?  Nah.
For that I use Dio's Last in Line or Led Zep's Immigrant Song....

'Saw

    Ummm, Daniel, we need to have a talk ...
    
    The man's name is spelled "Springsteen".   Please try not to misspell
    it again.   Us Jersey Shore boys take this kind of thing very
    very seriously.
    
    Bob "Who Bought His First Bruce 8-Track In 1973" Hunt

Bob, remember how popular Born To Run was when it first hit it big.

Too much.

I like the Boss.  A guy I was in the Fire Dept with was his Sound
Manager on one of his tours.  When they hit our area, Tony (A tried
and true Italian boy) had the Boss and company over to the house
for one of mama's spaghetti dinners.

What a zoo in his neighborhood that night.  The neighbors were all
but p*ssing themselves trying to get near the house to get a
glimpse of the Boss....

Too cool...
'Saw

   MTV's newest `shock' video (shown only after 9:00 PM) features Saddam
   (and his lovely wife Gomorrah) Hussein, in a Cage Match Death Duel with
   Tipper Gore and Jesse Helms, lip-syncing `I can't get no satisfaction'.

   (Michael Jackson is directing the video, so everyone has to wear at
   least one rhinestone-encrusted knee pad).

   Mike " Cinema Verit� " JN

    'Saw,
    
    I grew up on the Jersey Shore less than 20 miles away from Asbury Park
    and Freehold.   I was a freshman in high school in the spring of 1973
    when I bought "Greetings" on a 8-track cassette.  Played it to death. 
    Bruce was a local hero of the highest order.
    
    When "The Wild, The Innocent, and The E Street Shuffle" came out, I
    bought it on vinyl.   Still my favorite Bruce album.  Each and every
    single song is a classic.
    
    "Born To Run" came out in 1976 when I went away to school.  Suddenly,
    Bruce was everywhere.  And since I was no longer at the Shore,
    everybody treated him like he was the "new" king.   Which he *was* to
    everybody outside Jersey.   I really hated all the hype that people
    went through.  "Born To Run" was the *only* song they played and it got
    very tiresome.
    
    So, I cooled off on him.  I didn't believe he had sold out to the
    masses.  I just didn't want to get caught up in all the "nouveau chic"
    over a guy from Jersey that I had been listening to for more than 4
    years (at that time).
    
    Then "Darkness" and "The River" came out and I bought 'em like a good
    soldier.  Some classics, some ordinaries.  100% Bruce so I was pleased.
    
    Then he put out "Nebraska" in 1982 and I was back in swing full-time. 
    What a great album.  Stark and deadly serious.  Filled with incredible
    images in a sparse, no-nonsense package.
    
    Then back down again with "Born In The USA".  Again the mass hype went
    into orbit.  I remember one guy I knew who insisted that "USA" was his
    best effort since "The River".   Blech.  And I really lost it when
    Ronald Reagan completely missed the bitterness in "USA" and used the
    title as a campaign slogan.
    
    "Tunnel Of Love" was good, not great.  And the Live album was alright,
    too.   Of course, you just cannot capture a Bruce concert on a
    recording.  In that respect, it was a disappointment but an expected
    one.
    
    Now he's broken up The E Street Band so I don't know what his future
    holds.  The marriage thing and his new baby I kinda ignore.   Tabloid
    stuff.
    
    My favorite Bruce song is "Incident On 57th Street" from the "The Wild,
    The Innocent ..."
    
    Bob Hunt

    Re: making it on looks
    
    JonBomb(tm) is the ultimate poseur!  Bon Jovi wouldn't know cool if it
    bit him.
    
    Re: making it on talent alone
    
    I don't believe that happens.  If it were true, guys like Joe Satriani,
    Eric Johnson, Larry Carlton, Phil Keaggy, Michael Hedges, and even the 
    late Stevie Ray Vaughan would be household names.  People that go out
    of their way to see/hear the above guitar players are fellow musicians.
    
    Someone once posted a funny anecdote from a Larry Carlton concert in
    GUITAR notes once.  LC asked for a show of hands for all the guitar
    players in the crowd and 60% raised their hands.  He then asked, "How
    many play the guitar or came with a guitarist?"  Then 95% raised their
    hands.  LC then says, "What are the rest of you?"  The guy that posted
    the story was in the front row and said, "Keyboard players!"  LC then
    replied, "That's what I thought!"
    
    Mike

Yeah, Stevie Ray (RIP) was one ugly dude.  (Not as ugly as Elvin
Bishop, but close...)

Neither was Muddy Waters or Johnny Winter, but would that Muddy were
still around so I could see him get his mojo workin' live and
in concert.

Ya don't have to be truly beautiful, but it sure helps, especially
in this mass-marketed, techn-vinyl-weenie-pop culture today....


Man, I'll never EVER forget the night I saw Stevie Ray.  The dude
may have been high as a kite, but on that night, I'd put him up
against ANY of these weenie bands today that wouldn't know a good
lick if it bit 'em in the ass, and he'd have blown them away nuclear.
(In fact, I almost thought I saw Jimi standing next to him when
he played Voodoo Chile....)

The blues is where it's at.  It all starts there.  If you can't play
the blues, forget about even tryin.....

'Saw

Bob , I kind of never listen to Nebraska but got to say Bruce sipped big time
after the River, Sure he isn't the greatest singer in the world but could he
painted a story. Personal Favorites are Meeting Across the river and Point Blank

When I hear Born in the USa, Pink Cadallic, Glory Days I know the man sold his
soul for fame...

and when I want to rock Well Adan raised a Cain....

mike

    re-, few
    
    	Best lyrics by Bruce are the ones to Tunnel Of Love...Awsome
    lyrics!
    
    IMHO
    
    B.A._bet_bruce_can't_pitch!

Sorry BA but he's got atleast a dozen other songs with better lyric...
you must be another victum of the young man's syndroyne...

;^)

    Bruce has sold out... His best stuff was from 1975- 1983.. enuff said
    SOuth-Side-Johhny was very good.... he has not sold out yet...
    Neils Lofgren is one bad mother... never miss him when he hits Boston.
    No mercy is one *GREAT* song...
    
    Sinead is one UGLY bitch... a 2 bagger!!!!
    Madonna is overrated and over-exposed!!!
    10,00 Manics does not get enough air-time!!
    Phil Collins is the best to come since the Beatles!!!
    Tears-for-Fears is one band I would like to see!!!
    
    REK

    Dickster, you forgot a couple of themes for C&W songs:
    
    	Jail, boozing and trains are a few that come to mind.  :*)

    Lee  

    John Hendry, did you catch the "Echoes of The Big Bands" and "Jukebox
    Saturday Night" which were both on PBS a few weeks ago?  Great shows,
    I taped them both.
    
    I love the Big Band sound, and the sounds of the early 50's, like
    Patti Page, Theresa Brewer, "Four" groups such as Freshmen, Aces,
    Lads, Ames Brothers, etc.  I also love the early rock from the fifties
    and early sixties.  There are always groups and singles that I like,
    but I don't find that many in the late 70's and the 80's.  Getting
    old and set in my ways, I guess.
    
    Lee

My favorite Big Band tune has got to be Benny Goodman's
"Sing, Sing, Sing - Christopher Columbus".

Between Gene Krupa wailing on the tom-tom and the Harry James
trumpet solos it's just too cool.  Every time I hear that it makes
me feel like pulling out the zoot suit and dancing.

Glenn Miller is excellent, and, oh yeah, one cannot mention Big Bands
without mentioning one of the greatest of all time, Duke Ellington...

'Saw

PS  If you want the ultimate slow dance tune, put on Miller's Moonlight
    Serenade ;^)

    Ok, even though this discusssion is old, and the mods are either on
    vacation or figured it's a friday junk note that'll die by monday, but 
    I got to say that, in all honesty, I could care less how an artist
    looks.  That is, if I like their music, I'll listen and buy.  In
    Sinead's case, I don't care for her music (what I've heard of it).  She
    could look as hot as Annie Wilson of Heart, but I still wouldn't like
    her music any better.  And, because she makes herself look ugly, it
    doesn't make me dislike her music any more.  But, I still maintain
    that, as much as Madonna flings this sexy look to gain popularity, so
    does Sinead make herself look outrageously ugly (the opposite effect).
    I've read that she looks like this on purpose so people would like her
    for her music only.  That's what I question........
    
    Last note on this........
    
    Hawk

    Sh*thaid O'Conner (and Cupid, and Donner and BLitzin), IMO has about as
    much singing ability as I do. Same wif Mud-onna. They just got a
    gimmick. In today's woild of video this and video that it is natural
    that you need a gimmick to be popular. Da music industry is getting
    more and more like pro wrestling. Good gimmick = good $$$. And mikey
    heiser is right about JOnBOmb (tm) being a lousy act making it on their
    looks. Da entire music industry is viaing for the LGTB (tm) (Little
    Girl Teeny Bopper) dollar. 
    
    oh well I'm babbling.
    
    
    Speaking of Christina Applegate, has anyone seen her movie. I think it
    is called "Streets" or something.

    Top 10 Beauties
    
    	Tracy Lourdes.  In "Not of This Earth" she was out of this world.
    
    				/Don

    Where does Kathleen Turner figure on the list?   Huh??
    
    And how about Candice Bergen???
    
    You guys must have blinkers on..
    
    PJ

    Candice Bergen has no cleavage.
    
    HTH,
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

    
    PJ,
      Beatrice Arthur has a deep voice.  What a babe, huh? ;^)
    
    Dickster
    

    so does Mamma from "Throw Mamma from the Train".  What a babe, fer
    sure!

    .111 - yeah but she's dead... unless  you like that kind of thing...
    How come the slasher hasn't mentioned Hannah Storm?
    
    

    
    What about Dana Delany (China Beach)?

Dana Delaney (of China Beach) is to die for!
    

    
    Check out the picture (advert for china beach) of Dana Delany in Rolling
    Stone...  simply awesome...  the picture on the june 16-22 TV guide
    isn't too bad either...

dana Delaney is the best looking woman on TV.

Although marybeth and Kate on Dear John aren't too bad either...

and John Stamos girlfriend on full house...

Or Winnie Cooper if I was only 13 years younger...


Metz

    Has ayone mentioned...... Meg Ryan!! Totally awesome!!!
    
    I can't think of this girls name, but she plays on Growing Pains as
    Mike's girlfriend. I think!!! She has dark hair and is FINE!!!!! Can
    someone tell me her name???
    
    Donna Mills is sharp also!!!
                                                   M.J.

    I forgot a few others.....
    
    Cybil Sheppard
    Sigourney Weaver
    My wife
    
    PJ  :-)

     
    RE:21.119
    
    PJ,
    
    You have got to have a screw loose!!  Whoever said Cybil Shepard was
    in the top 10 should be dragged into the street and shot in the
    head!!  TWICE!!  eeeigh yuck!  Not if you paid me!
    
    Scott
    
    p.s. Paula Abdul- MINT!!!
    

    RE:21.95
    
    MIKE, 
    
    I fugured if I was gonna throw a jab, I might as well throw a couple.
    You have got to be kidding me.  You mean to sit there, being an axe-man
    yourself, and tell me Bon Jovi has no talent???  Don't get me wrong,
    I know it's all an image thing, but his music kicks. I also like the
    Satch, Tony MacAlpine, and Stevie-Ray, but Jovi is one of my Major
    Influences.  His music has great lyrics and emotion, maybe you just
    have blinders on.  'nuff said.
    
    Scott
    
    p.s.  I'm not a fourteen year old or a girl, so his image don't mean
          @#$& to me!!
    

    Scott,
    
    You ruined any credibility you had for the rest of your life in this
    conference by saying there's not enough $$$ for you to do Ms. Shepard. 
    Now you've lost the respect by fawning over Bon Jovi lyrics.  
    
    You better hang it up before it's too late.  You could be put on trial
    in this conference for statements like that.  They've tried ACChris for
    less.  8-)
    
    	--dan'l

    Scott u is a GMBGer (tm). JomBombsux (tm). JonBomb (tm) has no musical
    talent. He is a fine example of how MTV took the emphasis off talent
    and put it on looks. 
    
    GMBGer (tm) Girly-Mon Bubble Gummer.
    
    All (tm)s courtasy of the Heavy_metal notes file. 
    
    
    BTW Ms. Shepard can also moon me.

    Hey, wait a minute ...
    
    We have it on authority from the two great ones that Beethoven himself
    loves Bon Jovi.
    
    Bob Hunt

    
    Dan'l,
    
    Telling me I've lost all credibility in this conference doesn't bother
    me, especially coming from someone who is into that beastly female 
    thing. 
    
    Secondly, 'fawning' doesn't seem like the correct term to 
    use.  I appreciate the music, and the lyrics, not Jon himself. 
    Personally, I think he's questionable..... 
    
    But, if you insist on persuing the issue, far be it from me to stand in
    your way.  Just watch for the backlash  *8^).
    
    sincerely,
    Scott (BON JOVI FAN)
    
    p.s. Either Paula Abdul or Kathy Ireland could moon me.  (and whatever
    happens, happens!)
    
    

    
    RE:.125
    
    BTW, No offense intended to your wife.(first paragraph)
    
    Scott  *8^}
    

    
    
    AND.....MR.HERNANDEZ....All your (tm)'s directed to me.....
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
                              LAME!...Real Lame
    

    Hey Dan'l:
    
    Don't let Scott get to ya, he's just a youngster.
    Theres a problem with youth, it's wasted on the young.
    
    JaKe

    Hey, Medvid ain't no senior citizen, either, ya know ...
    
    Only the young, single and carefree (translation: "childless") can just
    merrily pack things up and head off to France to "work" for a couple of
    weeks.
    
    Yo, Dan'l, did you find that special little something I asked you to
    look out for ???   No, not *her*, the other special thang ...
    
    Bob Hunt

    Still lookin', Bob.  I even went to the cheap part of town.  No luck. 
    Today is my last chance.  I'll do my best, sir.
    
    	--dan'l

   Bon Jovi is alright, in my book.

   I seldom listen to lyrics.. just the music.

   Also like some of the stuff by Poison, Led Zeppelin, G & R, and Eddie
   Van Halen.

   Metallica sucks, big time.

   Mike JN

Not another music debate in SPORTS!  (yawn)

'Saw

    Another 'Saw reply in SPORTS! (yawn)