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    I am surprised that loss of Ceballos prior to finals was not mentioned
    as decisive factor in Suns loss.  His presence may have been enough to
    allow Suns to survive Seattle (where he got hurt).
    
    This seems to be a good enough excuse to run up the flagpole and see if
    Tom,Glenn,Jd salute
    
    Mr Helpful

    Hear they're putting two new faces on Mt. Rushmore????
    
    
    Mike Heiser
    
    
    
    
    

    I don't agree with much of what Mike puts in here, but is this  note
    really necessary?
    
    Mark.

    I don't agree with much Lufay puts in here, is HE really necessary????
    
    
    (8^)   (8^0   (8^)   (:^)
    
    JaKe
    

     Actually this note applies to the majority of folks in this conference
    myself included but not at this particular moment thank you :-)

    	Yeah even for ::SPROTS it's in bad taste.
    
    				/Don

    Glad to see there's some maturity in here.

      Mike,  you should know that maturity and sports don't go together;-)
    
      Tim

Mike, you been on vacation??

The Crazy Met

    no just working.  Vacation is next month.
    

    Why don't we ignore it?
    

    
    Hey, Jim McMahon was traded, didja hear?

Well, Mac has only gotten far enough in the Moderator's Manual to figure
out how to MOVE notes.  He got so enamored of that it's all he does.

Needle's busy with the projectile vomit stage.


Me, I just never delete notes.  I'd rather reply to notes than to delete
them......


hth,
'Saw

    
    
        Anybody hear Louis Lipps was let go?
    
    
    Chappy

>    
>        Anybody hear Louis Lipps was let go?
>    
    
Yeah, something about him not sticking....

	Ya know if TCM don't find his way into 125.* soon he may have a
	reserved seat here.

	Po' TCM


	billl

    
    
    I know he's acting like you know who.
    
    
    
    Chappy

    Hey Chappy, where are you moving to now that WMO is closing?
    
    REK

    Wow... That sucks the big one...... What is it, a 60 minute comute?
    
    REK

    re: .21
    
    Couldn't happen to a fan of a nicer team :-)
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    
        Try a 75 minute commute. I live in Athol and it's 18 minutes just
    to get to Westminster.
    
    
    Oh Wooooo is me.
    
    
    Chappy

    <<< Note 126.24 by WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M "No.3 looms over Fenway....." >>>

    
    
>        Try a 75 minute commute. I live in Athol and it's 18 minutes just
>    to get to Westminster.
    
    I hear you.  
    
    Mark (commuting from Hampton to Stow and back everyday - 72 miles each
    way)

    I do Athol to Marlboro (wow a few deccies out in athol) and its not
    too bad Im getting use to it...
    							MairB

    Maybe there is some purpose behind this note...
    
    I drive from Burlington MA to Westford.  Not that bad.  It's the
    sport activities to Shrewsbury, Marlboro, Greendale or Hudson that
    make that a pain.  Getting home at 10-12 each night ain't as nice
    as it could be.  So our group's going to MRO, so the household's
    loading up the truck and movin'...
    

      Whats all this got to do with Heiser?

    
     You're whining again, Mike.

    
    
         Funny how the Author of this topic is probably the biggest sore
    loser in here aint it.
    
    
    TCW (The crazy Welcher)
    
    
    
    Chappy

    re -1
    
     You've got everybody in here beat

    [same source again]
    
    Here are the perennial losers that have gone the most years without a
    division title.  This is before each sports '93 season:
    
    MLB                 NFL              NBA                 NHL
    Cleveland - 39      NY Jets - 23     LA Clippers - 24    Toronto - 30
    Texas - 33          Kansas City - 21 Indiana - 22        New Jersey - 20
    Seattle - 17        Green Bay - 20   New Jersey - 19     Winnipeg - 15
    NY Yankees - 12     Phoenix - 17     Golden St. - 17     Buffalo - 12
    Montreal - 12       Atlanta - 12     Cleveland - 17      Minnesota - 9
    
    Notes:
    ------
    MLB - Cleveland's last title was AL pennant.  Texas used to be in
          Washington.
    NFL - Jets last division title was in AFL.  Phoenix used to be in St.
          Louis.
    NBA - Clippers used to be in Buffalo and San Diego.  New Jersey's last
          title was in ABA.
    NHL - Toronto's last title was the NHL regular season championship. 
          New Jersey used to be in Colorado and Kansas City.
          Winnipeg's last title was in the WHA.

	I find it hard to believe that the Penguins aren't on that hit parade!
	That is unless it's only a current list and not a historical list.
	I believe 1991 was their 'first' divisional winner.


	billl

    Mildly amusing that the Yankees have now gone the 4th longest of 28 teams
    in MLB without winning so much as one division title.  With their
    resources that's taken some work.  And yet I keep hearing from the likes 
    of Chappy that this is the 13th year in row that the Yanks are the odds-on 
    favorite to win it all.  At least we Red Sox fans are realistic about
    our team's futility...
    
    glenn
    

I heard Buck Showalter (Show Walter what?) on WFAN last night, pulling
a Lou Holtz (sorry MikeL) about how tough the competition is going to
be in the new AL East this coming year.

He was saying that he was glad that Cleveland wasn't there, and that 
he thought that the Red Sox were tough, and that he thought that it would
be a real dog fight blah blah blah....

Sandbagging at its finest....8^)


Saw

    
    
    
           Glen,
    
          Please show me where I have said that the Yanks are or were Hands
    on favorites to win it all. Your Red glasses must be on kinda tight
    today.
    
            Though it's true we haven't won a Division title since 1981 we
    are a franchise back on the way up! Can you say that about yours? You
    Sox fans just keep celebrating your second place finish  in 1967.
    
       But you know the real  ??? IMPOSSIBLE DREAM ?? is the Sox winning
    any world Championships in YOUR lifetime.
    
    
    Chappy

    re: .37
    
    love that title!
    
    The Crazy met
    

>    Sox fans just keep celebrating your second place finish  in 1967.

Chappy, if you knew the first thing about Sox fans, you'd know that we
don't celebrate anything about 1967, 1975 or 1986.   However, I will
advance the premise that the 1975 Game 6 was the best ballgame ever
played.


>       But you know the real  ??? IMPOSSIBLE DREAM ?? is the Sox winning
>    any world Championships in YOUR lifetime.

Nah, the impossible dream is Don Mattingly.  Period.....


8^)

    
    
       Not Celebrating 1967!!!
    
    
             That 25 year celebration last year must have been my
    imagination than????
    
    
    Chappy

>    Though it's true we haven't won a Division title since 1981 we
>    are a franchise back on the way up! Can you say that about yours? 
    
    At this very moment, no (although as I've said in the Yankee note I
    think that NY's impending "resurgence" is starting to look more and 
    more like that check lost in the mail-- and so far this winter they've 
    done nothing but spin their wheels).  But if the Sox don't blow it 
    and do indeed land one of the brightest minds in baseball in Dan 
    Duquette, and if Trot Nixon doesn't blow out his arm in a barroom 
    brawl, who knows, in a couple of years that window of opportunity 
    may just yet open again as the Yankees' slams shut.  The Sox can get
    smarter but George'll always be ugly...
    
    glenn
    

    Don't worry 'Saw, I've already seen it...
    

    
    
    
             IF   IF    If   IF   IF
    
    
           If Lou Gorman. If Joe Morgan. If Bill Buckner. IF Clemens.
    IF Duquette....... Don't worry Glen you always got that old Red Sock
    credo....
    
    
                  "Wait til next YEAR"
    
    
    Chappy

�I heard Buck Showalter (Show Walter what?) on WFAN last night, pulling
�a Lou Holtz (sorry MikeL) about how tough the competition is going to
�be in the new AL East this coming year.
    
    No Holtzin' going on there.  The AL East is shaping up to be one of the
    toughest in baseball.  As much as it pains me to say it, the Yanks have
    been steadily improving.  Toronto is the defending World Champ.  The
    O's have been improving.  Get Detroit some pitching to go along with
    that potent offense and look out.
    
    And we all know that if Jeff Russell hadn't hurt himself at the end of
    last season, and if Roger Clemens was 3/4 of his usual self, we'd be
    looking at a Champeenship in Beantown.  Those guys will be back,
    they've signed superstar free agent Dave Valle, and Mo Vaughn will be
    immense.  How can they lose?

    
>    If Lou Gorman. If Joe Morgan. If Bill Buckner. IF Clemens.
>    IF Duquette....... Don't worry Glen you always got that old Red Sock
>    credo....
    
    Absolutely.  That's what I meant about being realistic; it don't pay to
    be otherwise if you're a Sox fan.  Still, I'll take this faint hope as 
    opposed to the "Donbo 199* MVP, WS champ!" rantings of a deluded Yankee 
    fan...
    
    glenn
    

What have you seen Walt?

re Celebration -- They were celebrating the pennant and the run to the
pennant and the team.  That was a magical season if you were a Sox fan,
because it ended the long, long drought.   

No one was celebrating getting beat by Bob Gibson in the series....


regarding Buck Show Walter To The Door, I think he was sandbagging.
The Sox aren't going to do Jack, and I've got more of a chance of taking
Tonya Harding's Spot on the Limp-Pic team than the Sox do of winning a
pennant this year.   NY's only competition is Torawna (eh), and Buck
was just Holtzing.....


JMHO,
'sAw

�I heard Buck Showalter (Show Walter what?) on WFAN last night, pulling
�a Lou Holtz (sorry MikeL) about how tough the competition is going to
�be in the new AL East this coming year.
>    
>    No Holtzin' going on there.  The AL East is shaping up to be one of the
>    toughest in baseball.  As much as it pains me to say it, the Yanks have
>    been steadily improving.  Toronto is the defending World Champ.  The
>    O's have been improving.  Get Detroit some pitching to go along with
>    that potent offense and look out.
 
    But the division as a whole is getting very old and is heading for a
    crash.  It may not happen this year, but when it does, whoever can 
    pull together the most remaining talent and get a bit of pitching may
    be in good shape for 1995-1997.  Many are saying that Cleveland made
    this great decision to go to the Central and that might be true over
    the very long haul, but going up against Chicago over the next 5 
    years doesn't look so painless.   
    
    glenn
    

�I heard Buck Showalter (Show Walter what?) on WFAN last night, pulling
    
    No need to show me, I've seen it...

    Buck got boggsie to go from 1st to 3rd on a single, I saw it with my
    own eyes.  Is that man a motivator or what?
    
    I think in all seriousness he managed to make that team play hard and I
    expect yankees to contend again.
    
    But Jays are the class of baseball and with the current economics of
    the game they will buy just enough pitching to support their superb
    core and if they need a Cone etc for stretch will simply make that
    move.
    
    It is nice of Jays to fool around until the end of july to allow for
    Sox to pretend-contend so they can draw their 2mil without having to
    invest in true quality (ex. Bill Hatcher 150+ games in centerfield).
    
    

    
    
    	Yabbut while channel surfing and stickin a bottle in the #1 intake
    lasted night I happened to see part of a replay of the press conference
    held right after the UNC - BC game.  Based on what I saw, I hearby
    nominate for a special place in thisted here note:
    
    
    			COACH DEAN SMITH
    
    
    	Man, what a crybaby!!!!!
    
    
    I remain,
    thinkin the Razorbacks might take it all
    Kev
    
    

    Yabbut, yerself
    
    what kind of bottle wuz you stickin' in who's #1 intake???
    
    /joek

    
    
    Yabbut ha ha ha!
    
    So tell me, how much work did YOU do on the pinewood derby car????
    
    
    hehehehe
    
    I remain,
    tellin ya it was a glass bottle, if'n ya really wanna know!
    Kev
    

    >> So tell me, how much work did YOU do on the pinewood derby car????
    
    Well, let's see.  Since the #1 son is 13 years old, I don't think he
    needs my help on a pinewood derby car.  And since the #2 son is 7 going
    on 22, and will probably forgo Penn State for the State Pen...
    
    But I did agree to let the Packs borrow the PA system & microphones!

	To: Ted and Jane (Turner)

	The Braves won but I hope yer brie turns bad and ya gain fifty pounds
	of celulite from all the partying.

IROCZ::BKWAL

Boy, you don't note much, but you're a lot better at entering stuff in the
right note than most of us!

I'm happy for the Braves, but I hope Jane gets isolated in a crowd of 50
Vietnam vets.

	Pats stink for first 6 games, so I finally pick against them in
	game 7 and they upset Buffalo.  I'm eliminated from KOH.  Then Pats
	revert to form and lose to Carolina.  It must have been Tommy's
	destiny to be KOH this year.

	RE: -2

	Well, I maybe a whiny sore loser but I try to be honest(*). While I was
	rooting for Cleveland I'd have preferred any team not owned by the T's.



	(*)Disclaimer - Any pretense of honesty is explicitly denied when being
	questioned by the wife at 3am as to (A)What was I doing out until that
	hour in the morning and (B)Exactly how many beers did I drink.

>	Well, I maybe a whiny sore loser but I try to be honest(*). While I was
>	rooting for Cleveland I'd have preferred any team not owned by the T's.

Wasn't trying to get on your case - I thought it was great... :-)

I like Ted - he went so far as to have dinner with Sparky Mortimer.  It's Jane
I can't stomach...

    
    RE: -1
    
    No problems. I was just having a little fun.

    Regarding the Turner's - 
    
    - I'm a Braves fan and looking at Jane still makes me want to heave.
    
    - After watching all of local TV's on-field interviews with Ted after
    the game, I came to the conclusion that finding him at the top of
    clocktower with a rifle would not be a suprprise. In one interview in
    particular it looked as if the local sportscaster almost dreaded what
    he was gonna say or do next.  Oh well, at least he spends the bucks!:-)
    
    
    UMDan
                                            

>    I came to the conclusion that finding him at the top of
>    clocktower with a rifle would not be a suprprise. In one interview in
>    particular it looked as if the local sportscaster almost dreaded what
>    he was gonna say or do next.  Oh well, at least he spends the bucks!:-)

In terms of a sports owner, it doesn't *get* any better than this!  Think of
all the fat, boring, rich dweebs sitting in their luxury boxes wearing gray
suits on Saturday and Sunday.  A loose cannon provides *much* more 
entertainment value...

    Most people in this note know my usual distain for Boston College, but
    I was actually rooting for them against that pencil-neck geek Holtz
    lasted Saturday.  I only watched part of the 4th quarter, but guess how
    many times ABC showed that geek during the long drive that salted the
    game away for ND?  ELEVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Give me a break, PUH-LEEEEEZZZZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    NAZZ

    No surprise, NAZZ.  I stopped watching ANY ND games a few years ago
    because NBC (or whoever) was virtually showing him after EVERY damn
    play.  It got sickening.  You wondered if there was a coach on the
    other team or if anything else mattered.
    
    Just think, if he scratches himself, we'll get to see it.  (Well, I
    won't.)
    
    I can hear the guy in the truck:
    
    "Cue Holtz.  Show play.  Cue Holtz.  Show play.  Cue Holtz. 
    Commercial.  Cue Holtz.  Show play.  Cue Holtz.  Show play
    
    on and on...
    
    
    Spud