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	Is Buffalo really favored by 2 over Miami? Even as a Bills fan I
	find that hard to fathom, considering that:

	Bennet will not be 100%, and that's if he plays at all
	Bruce Smith is definitely sore
	The game is in Miami, and thus on grass
	About five other important Bills are banged up

	I realize that the Bills won in Miami earlier this year, but I
	forsee a very tough game this week.

	Roy

>	Here's the note for the Buffalo Bills, who are currently trying
>	make their third straight superbowl.

It's ironic that they're playing the only team that has ever been to 3 straight
Super Bowls.


Joe 

    
    
       Hey welcome bacjk Roy. Just in time for the Bills to lose to the
    9ers in the SB...:-)
    
    Chappy

	Welcome back Roy.

	Jim M.

Roy, Roy, Roy -

So, do you get yer franchise back in FFL-C??

Welcome back.  You back in the N.H. Area??

JD

	Yep, I'm back in NUO. Just bought a house in Merrimack, NH.

	It is somewhat ironic that the Bills could be the first team to
	play in three consectutive superbowls. Actually, when the Eagles
	and Bills were both so hot around week 5, I had visions of
	Buffalo losing to 4 NFC East teams in 4 years: NY, Washington,
	Philly, and Dallas. Still could happen, if you switch the last
	two. 

	Roy

      Its not suprising that the Bills are favored since they beat Mihamy
    11 of the last 13 meetings.  I hope Mihamy wins,  but for some reason I
    don't thin they will.
    
      I think that Either of the AFC teams can beat the cowboys in the SB, 
    but not SF.
    
      Tim

    Tyson Wings
    Red Hot Sauce
    Some tobasco
    Cayenne Pepper
    Butter.

>>    Butter.
    
    
      Parkay!
    

    There are four key things to good wings.
    
    1. Crispness (not dried out, just crisp)
    2. Sauce
    3. Celery and blue cheese
    4. Beer.
    
    1. Crispness - The only way to be able to cook more than 10 wings at a 
       time and get them crisp on the outside is to get a big industrial 
       sized deep fryer.  Since most of us don't, you  need to cook between
       5 and 10 in your small "fry-boy".  The key when cooking them is to
       have the oil hot (375-400) and cook them for about 10 minutes.  The
       reason you can't throw too many in the oil at once is because it
       will drop the temperature down too low.  By the time it gets back
       up to 375, the wing is cooked but not cripsy.  Further cooking to
       get crispness will only dry the meat out.  A good thing to look for
       when checking for doneness is that the wings will have been floating 
       for a few minutes.
    
    2. The Sauce - You have to trust me on this.  There is only one recipe
       where you will consistently get real Buffalo-style flavor.  It's so 
       simple you will doubt it.  Durkee Red Hot (Cayenne sauce in most
       supermarkets) and dilute it with melted butter to you heat level.  
       That's it!  Place the sauce in a tupperware container, throw in the 
       wings, put the cover on,shake it up, pull out with tongs and you're 
       done.  be careful because the heat from the wings will create a lot
       of steam.  The steam will do two things.  1) Blow the top off when 
       you're shaking it and 2) blind you with a cayenne steam bath when
       you open it.  But hey! that's the fun of it.  
    
       I have tasted wings from all over the country.  I have also tasted 
       people's home concoctions.  The more ingredients you add to the
       sauce, the less it will taste like true Buffalo wings.  It's
       axiomatic.
    
       Breaded or Bar-b-q flavored wings may taste good but they are not 
       Buffalo-style.  It's like saying Dominoes is real pizza.
    
    3. Celery and blue cheese - Celery is celery, but I've found that 
       Wish-bone or Maries are the best blue cheeses.
    
    4. Beer - I can't preach what beer is good here.  As long as it's beer
       it should do the trick.  However, if you want the true Buffalo
       experience, you should get a case of Gennesee Cream Ale pounders (16
       oz).  That will guarantee extending the Buffalo experience well into
       the next day on the john.
    
    

	re .10

	Your note is exactly correct, and does the best job I've ever
	seen of explaining exactly how do make true wings. And hey -
	I've even been to the Anchor Bar for the *REAL* real thing,
	along with growing up right outside Buffalo.

	You wouldn't believe how many baked, breaded, and barbecued
	things are being passed off as Buffalo wings. They may be good,
	but they just aren't Buffalo wings. Period.

	Roy

    
    I was at the Anchor, too, on one 4th of July and got hellaciously 
    drunk during the process of downing Buffalo wings and raw oysters.  
    I got one question, though-- I didn't eat the wings with celery or 
    the blue cheese.  Is this optional?  Could I have been thrown out of
    the place for such an indiscretion?  
    
    glenn
    

	Celery and Blue (bleu) cheese are definitely optional. In fact,
	if the wings are hot engouh, you're better off not pausing
	between wings to eat celery. It always seems to get hotter when
	you stop eating and drinking.

	Roy

    A way to tell a non-Buffalonian who is eating wings...
    They only eat the drumstick pieces.  If you're good, and it takes a lot
    of practice, one can take one of the two-boned wings, grab the knuckle
    (where the bones meet) put it in your mounth, pull it out and have all
    the meat off.  It really makes you look like you know what you're
    doing.   I tend to avoid the drumstick pieces cuz you have to nibble
    around it like corn on the cob whilst the good wings are being gobbled
    up.
    
    Celery and blue cheese should be served with wings, but while you're
    pigging out, you should concentrate on the wings.
    
    RE: Roy
    I'm from Buffalo.  I actually grew up in the city (Bailey-Delevan).  I
    went to St. Joe's and UB.

    Re: -1
    
    Reminds me of the story where Tim Kempton swallowed a Big Mac in one
    bite.

>    I'm from Buffalo.  I actually grew up in the city (Bailey-Delevan).  I
>    went to St. Joe's and UB.

	I'm from Elma, but since nobody has ever heard of it I just say
	"near Buffalo." Iroquois high school, then on to RPI. 

	Roy

    
    >>	I'm from Elma,
    
    Yeah, well I'm from Richard, Sr. and Roberta!!
    
    What's parental lineage have to do with this????
    
    JaKe
    

    Roy,
    
    My sister just had her wedding reception at Kloc's Grove.  I think
    that's in Elma or darn near it.  Great food
    
    -paul

    Redhot+butter aren't hot enough for me and my roommates (roommates
    are from Tonawanda).  That's why I said Cayenne on top of the RedHot.
    I agree Celery (or carrot sticks) are optional.  Beer is important.

	I wouldn't be a fan if I didn't enter a few comments about the game
	yesterday...

	I was worried when Kelly threw his first interception - I thought
	back to the first Miami-BUffalo game, and had pictures of turnovers
	dancing in my head. Luckily it was Miami that got bitten harder by
	turnovers, and the BIlls finally capitalized.

	The defense has simply been outstanding for the last 2.5 games,
	especially the defensive line. They have pressured Moon, O'Donnell,
	and now Marino (4 sacks) without having to resort to many corner and
	safety blitzes. (And, as an aside, I believe that the poor first
	half against the Oilers was duje in large part to the 6-DB
	alignment. When they went back to their normal D, they did much
	better - just goes to show that you want your best players out there
	at all times.)

	The offense was decent if nto spectacular. The extra week off will
	be a big help for the Bills, so that Thurman will be at full speed
	and the rest of the recently-returned players will have more
	practice time to be ready. The O-line has been playing well, and will
	have to be in top form against the Cowboys. 

	My highest accolades go to the coaches. The game plan was well
	designed and the play calling was right on target, especially all of
	the screen passes and short stuff to exploit the Miami defensive
	tendencies. Had they called that type of game in the superbowl
	against the Giants, I believe that the Bills would have won (not a
	prayer last year, though).

	So now it's on to Pasadena against the Cowboys. Both teams have
	outstanding RB's who are excellent receivers, strong passing games,
	and very god defenses. I would have to give Dallas the edge in
	defense, rate the teams about even in offense, but I give all the
	intangibles to Buffalo. How will this work out? I dont know - if the
	Bills can stop the running game as they have in the past three
	weeks, then they will win. If the Bills can hold off the Dallas pass
	rush, Buffalo will win. But anybody can figure that out. Either way
	I think that it will be an exciting game, with the score something
	like 27-24.

	Roy

Congrats to the Bills.

This was a no-win situation for me.  ONly reason I'd want the
Dolphins to win would be for Shula the genius to lose his
record 5th Superbowl.

I'll have to jump on the Bills bandwagon, because I loathe Dallas,
their fans, and Jimmy Johnson.  I couldn't root for Jimmy
=
Johnson if he was arm wrassling Jeffrey Damher.

Go Bills (sour tast im my mouth...)

JD

	I personally can't stand Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones - I find them
	obnoxious, and can't stand what Johnson did at the University of
	Miami (the way he let his players act, especially).

	But I have to hand it to both these guys for going from 1-15 to the
	Superbowl in what, 3 years? Johnson is an excellent coach, and they
	have run their organization very well (I loved the way they handled
	the draft). 

	Both my personal dislike and and the amount of respect I have for
	their professional abilities will make it sweeter - *if* the BIlls
	win.

	Roy

What's the deal with Jim Kelly wanting to re-negotiate his contract
for more money?

As I understand it, the Bills are re-negotiating with several current
players who will soon be free agents.  I guess that they want to
prevent losses to free agency like they had this year.  Jim Kelly
wants to get in on this act.

Is there anything to this?

Jerry

    re-1
    
      Seems like you answered your own question.
    
      Sign them before free agency,  that way they are bound to the team
    via contract (for whatever those are worth).
    
      Kelly is a good QB,  but he's only as consistent as the rest of the
    team.  Maybe they should sign Riech (sp?) for more?  The Bills are
    going to go downhill this year IMO.  3 straight SB losses can kill ya
    emotionally,  though they are deeper in talent than most other AFC
    teams, including bench.
    
      Tim

 It looks like no one pays much attention to this note anymore, 
(0-3 and counting in the SB might have somethin' to do with it) 
 but I'll ask the question anyway.

Up here in upstate NY we here all about how the Bills avenged the
last three Super Bowl losses by beating Dallas (w/o Emmitt), the NYG
and finally the Skins. I was wondering, does the league hand out rings
for all this revenge ?

    If 'ya want I can look up for you the phone number for the NFL office
    in NY and you can call and ask them yourself.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    
         Allright lets make an alltime Buffalo Bills team.
    
    :-)
    
    Chappy

�                      -< But they are doing it daddy MAC >-
    
    I have no problem with stuff like this.

    
    	Hmmm, I actually went out and bought a bunch of chicken wings
    	last night with the full purpose of making them up for the SB.
    	Does anyone have a good recipe for hot wings?
    
    	Thanks in advance!
    
    		Hal

    
    
    Molasses
    Red Hot sauce
    Terriyaki sauce.
    
       The hotter you want em add more RH Sauce.
    
    
    Chap

    I don't bother with the molasses or terriyaki sauce like Chappy does.  
    Keep basting them with the Red Hot sauce, Hal.  Put some more on before
    eating 'em.  Burns the hell right out of your mouth and swells your
    lips to twice their size.  I love it.
    
    					Steve

    I just bake 'em (unmarinated) and then cover the lot with red hot.
    Sometimes I add a little cayenne and garlic to the red hot first.
    
    If I am trying to make milder wings I melt some butter in with the
    Durkee Red Hot.
    
    Murph
    

    While we are talking recipes...
    
    The ultimate Chile Chicken Cheese dip... guaranteed to please.
    
    Take 1 Large Can of Tomatoes, crush and add 1 tablespoon of pepper and
    1/2 teaspoon (2-3 clove parts minced) in a pot and simmer.
    
    Add 1 small can chopped green chiles and 2 tbsp Jalepenos.
    Simmer 20-30 min.
    
    Add 1 can (undiluted) Cream of Chicken Soup, slowly, while stirring.
    Add 1 pound of grated cheddar cheese. Simmer until cheese is mostly
    melted.
    
    Wimps can reduce Pepper and Jalepenos.
    Studs add more Japs.
    
    I make this every Super Bowl - it rarely lasts past halftime.
    
    Murph
    

    Hal, see note .10 in this string.  Chappy, them's faux wings and you
    know it.

    I have one beef with note .10
    
    I like my wings baked, not fried. Get a baking dish (like you'd
    bake a cake in, not a flat pan) and a rack that fits in it. Put
    the wings on the rack so's the drippings fall below and you're
    not too greasy. Bake on 350 until golden (20-25 min?).
    
    Murph
    

The MrT method would be to place them in a snowbank, light them
on fire until black, then extinguish with a show shovel.

Best prepared if you're naked except for a bathrobe....


'Saw

    at least the cold-front provides the proper temperature too.

what cold front? it's supposed to be 40-50 today.
of course the storm they expect for Sunday night is supposed to
be a doozy.

The Crazy Met

    yeah but what's the evening low?  Our low is equal to your high.

all relative. when it hits 40 it becomes shirt sleeve weather.

low will likely be high 20's - low 30's

btw this is for the Boston area, subtract 5-15 degrees as you move 
North and/or West.

The Crazy Met

    Hope this isn't too stupid, even for here and maybe Jake or someone
    will back me up... but
    
    does anyone else eat the wings whole and enjoy grinding up the bones?
    
    Just a habit I got into and stopped when I sorta rejoined the world 15
    years ago, but just liked wings better that way - didn't like to throw
    away good food while the bangladesh were starvin
    
    

> when I sorta rejoined the world 15  years ago,

ok, where were you until then??

The Crazy Met

    Thanks for sharing that with us, bill.  That explains alot.

    
    >>I make this every Super Bowl - it rarely lasts past halftime.
    
    Murph,
    
    Do ya serve lots of ice cream afterwards, too????  that way, on Monday,
    when yer dying on the throne from the "burn twice" effect, ya cain root
    fer the ice cream to kick in,  "C'Mon Ice Cream, C'Mon ice cream".
    
    
    Schnorttt Schittt Schleppps
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Well, I don't care if they call it bandwagon-jumping or not,
    when my #1 team gets mathematically eliminated, I move on
    to my second favorite, and I don't need no stinkin' excuses
    to do it.  :^)
    
    Go Bills!!!!!!!!!
    
    - Sean
    

    
    Speaking of Buffalo Wings, I've had the oppurtunity to make
    'em lots of different ways these days, what with the booming
    micro-hot-sauce industry (it's almost as bad as microbreweries
    now)...
    
    If you ever want to try the hottest sauce in the universe
    
    < disclaimer - Every sauce says they're the hottest.  Every >
    < sauce has funny labels about how you will literally die   >
    < if you even put an eye-dropper's worht on your wings, so  >
    < I know the hype that's out there and I know everybody has >
    < a different idea of hot, so having said that............. >
    
    and I mean sauce that I can't even fathom a reason for 
    making it's so hot, a sauce that is really only good for
    those of you who like Wings to be a challenge, a contest,
    a test of manhood, get...
    
       Dave's Insanity Sauce.
    
    Ye-ow.  
    
    Good hot sauces that are tasty but won't kill you are:
    
       Capital Punishment
       Melinda's XXXX
       Habenro Hot Sauce from Hell
       
    - Sean     

A great hot sauce that has excellent flavor:

		Inner Beauty

    
    Inner Beauty is great, but you have to get the right one.
    They have a few versions out, but they don't clearly distinguish
    on the label the differences.
    
    Get the Inner Beauty where Costa Rican scotch bonnet peppers
    are high on the ingredients list.
    
    - Sean
    

    Dave's insanity sauce tells the whole story of these sauces and those
    who imbibe them.  The trick is to get them little wing pieces nice and
    crispy so you can just crunch them up and not worry about what to do
    with the pieces.

re: Dave's insanity

A buddy of mine has a bar and he keeps a variety of hot sauces for people
to try. He'll get some guy bragging about eat hot stuff and my buddy will
offer him a taste of Dave's Insanity on a toothpick. It's usually good
for the immediate purchase of a couple of beers.

It's actualy humorous watching the macho guys trying to tough it out with
the usual results being failure to be able to talk and a steady flow of
tears.

TTom

    
    Right now I can only have Dave's on a toothpick or diluted in
    some tabasco or Red Hot or something.
    
    If I hadn't been pre-warned, I would have just slobbered this
    over something and probably be dead right now.
    
    - Sean

	A friend of mine grows his own speecy-spicy peppers.
	He makes his own salsa.  Not for the faint of heart.

	One night he brought a bag of mixed peppers into the
	Legion for someone.  The bartender at the time, a 
	poster child for Air Heads, says, "That orange one
	looks good. Let me try it."

	The grower slices a very small sliver of it.  The
	Bimbette complains that he's being a chauvinist.
	The grower gladly hands over the entire habanero, 
	all the while trying to talk her out of plopping
	the whole thing into her mouth.  No luck.

	The dance performed afterwards was memorable to 
	say the least.


	billl

I used to work for a caterer, a_ol' guy, who had lost a lot of his taste
buds over the many years of cooking and eating spicy foods.

The way he selected the hot peppers was to bite into one and see how much
he sweat came outta his forehead.

TTom

    Here's a chart for rating the heat index of peepers. 


    Shown below is a rating scale for the heat of hot peppers, useful as an
    index for the desired amount of self-abuse.  It was ostensibly
    developed at Texas A&M University, and appears in the Feb 93 issue of
    Organic Gardening magazine.  Its called the Scoville rating:
    
    		-----------------------------------------------
    		PEPPER TYPE		    SCOVILLE HEAT UNITS
    		-----------------------------------------------
    		Habanero			200K - 300K
    		Carolina cayenne		100K - 105K
    		Tabasco				 30K -  50K
    		Chile pequin			 	40K
    		Cayenne					35K
    		Chile de arbol			 15K -  30K
    		Serrano				  7K -  25K
    		Hungarian wax			2.5K -   6K
    		Jalapeno			3.5K - 4.5K
    		Ancho/Pablano			2.5K -   3K
    		Anaheim, New Mexico chiles	.25K - 1.4K
    		Bell 					 0
    
    For those not aware, K represents 1000 heat units.
    
	Also the worst thing you can do after eating pepper is try to wash the
 fire out. Drinking liquid after bitting into a pepper, just moves the fire 
around the inside of your mouth.   Alos never let them touch your lips!!
 

>    		Carolina cayenne		100K - 105K

It shoulda been the Charlotte cayenne but the Richardsons wanted to be
able to soak the rest o' both states with that PSL scam.

>	Also the worst thing you can do after eating pepper is try to wash the
> fire out. Drinking liquid after bitting into a pepper, just moves the fire 
>around the inside of your mouth.   Alos never let them touch your lips!!

My worsted incident came trying a jalapeno that had been pickled.
Thinking that it had lost some its heat units, I chomped hard. The
onliest thing I had to drink was room temperature single malt scotch
which I tried. I immediately began foaming at the mouth. Luckily it was
winter so I just went out side to cool down.

TTom

	What is even more decieving to me is the color thing.
	Typically the milder color ones (orange, yellow or
	green) are hotter than the red ones.  Goes against
	everything you would expect.


	billl

    
    Habanero/Scotch Bonnet.  I always hear that one or the other
    is hotter.  I thought they were both really kind of the same
    thing.
    
    My indoor batch of habaneros (tough outside in NE) is just 
    starting to get ripe!
    
    Dave's also makes a Dave's Insanity Speical reserve, claimed
    to be twice as hot (impossible) that comes in a wooden box
    (coffin) with yellow caution tape wrapped around it.  Signed
    and numbered by Dave.
    
    Here's some Web sites vies on the hottest sauces...
    
From "Hot Hot Hot"
=================

We always get asked: What's your hottest sauce? 
Rather than just giving you just the hottest sauce, 
we're going to give you our 10 hottest sauces:

  1.Dave's Insanity Sauce (made with an extract, it's off our heat scale)
  2.Stonewall Salsa Habanero 
  3.Peppa-po 
  4.Pure Hell 
  5.Triple Barn Burner 
  6.MF Peckerwood 
  7.Melinda's XXXtra Hot 
  8.Flounder Juice 
  9.MP Flambeau 
  10.Jamaica Hellfire - Doc's special 

From Hot Sauces with a Heat Level of: Please Kill Me!
=====================================================
Hot Sauce Name                     Pepper
---------------------------------- ---------------
After Death Sauce                  Pepper Extract
Andy's XXXtra Hot Haba�ero Salsa   Haba�ero
Dave's Insanity Sauce              Pepper Extract
El Yucateco Hot Sauce, Red         Haba�ero
Endorphin Rush                     Pepper Extract
Hot Raspberry Thunder Sauce        Pepper Extract
Mad Dog Inferno                    Pepper Extract
Peppa-Po Hot Sauce                 Scotch Bonnet
Pure Hell                          Pepper Extract

>  6.MF Peckerwood 

Ya gotta luv these names!

TTom

>>  6.MF Peckerwood 

Anyone catch one of the recent Picket Fences shows where Judge Bone
and the coroner are playing some word game (scrabble ?) and the coroner
guy spells "peckerhead" and the Judge wouldn't accept it as a valid
word ?

    
    I saw that....  Picket Fences was my favorite show the last
    few years.  This year it really stinks.  Big Time.  It's got
    no guts anymore.

>    I saw that....  Picket Fences was my favorite show the last
>    few years.  This year it really stinks.  Big Time.  It's got
>    no guts anymore.

Two *almost certain* ways to kill a good show:

	1-  change writers (which Picket Fences did this year)

	2-  move it to another time slot

Not surprising, the best show of the season was a couple of weeks ago
(the Pope's visit to Rome, WI), when the original writer came back for
one show.

    
    Thankfully, the Bills finally put Alex Van Pelt in as the backup QB
    instead of Todd Collins.
    
    I always thought he should have been #2.  Not that I had much to go
    on, but he definitely looked better in preseason, and I have a sneaking
    suspicion this guy might make it eventually.

    
    Nice win by the Bills the other day!
    
    Even the Pats showed that you can run agains Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh,
    so I don't think a Bills win there is out of the question.  
    
    If they do win, I think they are golden.  I know its a little too hip
    to count out KC, but I do count them out, honestly.  I, in fact, think
    the Colts may beat them.
    
    An all AFC East Championship would be cool...
    
    - Sean

    
    
    
    	I know this was mentioned last year, but I'll ask the question
    
        anyway! Is this finally the demise of the Bills? 
    
    
    
        RM

>    	I know this was mentioned last year, but I'll ask the question
>       anyway! Is this finally the demise of the Bills? 


	No.  Their defense is still good enough to win in the weak AFC.
	While I don't see them winning the division (especially if Miami gets
	a disciplinarian who will weed out the malcontents), they certainly
	should be expected to make the wild card round again next year. 

I agree.

The AFC East is week. Miami is at best in a state of flux. Who know's
which New England team will show. Indianapolis may be the class of the
division and the Jets are definitely the doormat.

Buffalo will eventually have to bite the bullet and it looks like they've
started. Barring major acquisitions, Van Pelt is likely to take over at
QB and Derrick Holmes looks like tomorrow's RB. Neither Kelly nor Thomas
have many years left.

Paup will help stabilize the D but Bruce Smith is no spring chicken,
neither.

So what you're looking at is at best in and out of the playoffs afore it
gets to the conferences.

TTom

    
    Van Pelt is the new Sonny Jergunson!  :^)  I love it!
    
    - Sean

>	should be expected to make the wild card round again next year. 

I don't know about *expected*.  AT BEST, the Bills might be able to
maintain their current level of performance...ie: tread water, run in place.
That may not be good enough to get them in the playoffs next year.

As mentioned, Indianapolis appears to be legit.  Miami with Johnson is
AT LEAST Buffalo's equal, and most likely better.  Will Parcells' team
have another poor/under-achieving season ?  And that's just the East.

In the Central, Pittsburgh will remain good, as long as they re-sign
O'Donnell.  Cincinnati is on the rise, should have a winning record
next year and contend for a WC spot.

Out West, EVERYONE is a playoff contender.  Erickson looks to have
Seattle headed in the right direction.  Shanahan will be in his 2nd
year, after having one of the NFL's best offenses in his 1st.  Beathard
will always have talent on SD.  KC is legit.  Surprisingly, Oakland may
be the question-mark of the bunch.

>... Miami with Johnson is
>AT LEAST Buffalo's equal, and most likely better.  ...

Miami has some problems that Johnson may not be able to fix in just a
year. His main challenge is to simultaneously rebuild and compete.

Miami won enough to end up below the middle of the pack in the draft.
While there's a lot of the "stars" on thised years version will not be
re-signed, there's no Herschel Walker to trade except for Marino which
Johnson may resort to but which will really set 'em back.

TTom

    
    	It all depends on how Johnson can get some revenge against the
    Cowboys. Does he want to stay in the NFC with Tampa Bay. Or go
    to the AFC with the Dolphins. When does he want to bounce the Boys
    from the playoffs. In a NFC championship game or the Super Bowl?
    Or does he want to prove how good of coach he is, by taking a
    perenial loser in Tampa Bay and bring them to the playoffs.
    
    Ron

Johnson won't take the Tampa Bay job without a commitment from the owner
to keep 'em in Florida. Apparently, the owner won't do that feeling that
he's in a good position to make some bucks if'n he shops the team around.

TTom

	Van Pelt!  Is this guy a tubbo or what!  I think
	he probably out weighs everyone on the Bills' 
	O-line.


	billl

    
>	Van Pelt!  Is this guy a tubbo or what!  I think
>	he probably out weighs everyone on the Bills' 
>	O-line.
    
    Was just as fat at Pitt.  More like Alex "Arn City (No Light)" Van 
    Pelt...
    
    glenn
    

    
    Jim Kelly affectionately calls him "The Pill" after the
    Pillsbury Doughboy.
    
    - Sean

	I know he was 'beefy' when he played at Pitt, but
	he now looks like he would tip the scales at close
	to 300#.  



	billl


	

    
    > -< a definite impairment to mobility >-
    
    So?  Drew Bledsoe's not mobile, either, yet I keep hearing he's
    gonna take the Pats to an NFL championship.
    
    Not that you were saying anything like this but it reminds me of
    something that irks me.
    
    I don't understand why physical handicaps that impair performance
    are not acceptable, but the same symptoms are tolerated if due to
    other causes.
    
    For instance, Flutie gets railed for tipped balls because he is too
    short, while other "respected" QB's get excused for the same symptom
    because "they throw sidearm."  Same with mobility - if we accept 
    immobile QB's for their other assets, why can't they be great immobile
    QB's because they're chunky :^)
    
    - Sean
    

	If'n yer waiting around for Alex "Pass the Potatoes" Van Pelt
	to become a "great" quarterback, I hope you have 10 years 
	worth of The Wall Street Journal to read while you wait.



	billl

    
    I hear he's got contest going with Roger Clemens....