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Conference foundr::firearms

Title:God made man, but Sam Colt made men equal
Notice:Welcome to the firearms conference!
Moderator:PEAKS::OAKEYIN
Created:Tue Mar 04 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6616
Total number of notes:49869

5437.0. "Interesting articles repository available" by VSSTEG::TOWLE (Corky) Thu Dec 31 1992 06:56

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5437.21UCR reports of interestTPWORM::BRYANTThu Oct 21 1993 11:1312
5437.27SUBPAC::SADINcaught in the 'netWed Jan 11 1995 11:0614
5437.29MIGHTY::WILLIAMSBryan WilliamsWed Jan 11 1995 13:147
5437.31Kansas City Gun ExperimentSUBPAC::SADINcaught in the 'netWed Jan 11 1995 16:3413
5437.32INFO TO COPY!SUBPAC::SADINcaught in the 'netThu Jan 19 1995 10:1025
5437.33URGENT NRA ALERT ABOUT H.R.3! from Tanya MetsakaSUBPAC::SADINcaught in the 'netMon Jan 23 1995 09:22258
5437.34sharebooks on government agenciesSUBPAC::SADINcaught in the 'netThu Jan 26 1995 09:50111
5437.35From the nra mailing listSUBPAC::SADINcaught in the 'netMon Jan 30 1995 07:14137
5437.36England tightens it's grip on the people!SUBPAC::SADINcaught in the 'netThu Feb 02 1995 13:0945
5437.37SNOC02::HAGARTYDMein Leben als HundThu Feb 02 1995 17:4223
5437.43NRA takes ban to court! (finally!)SUBPAC::SADINcaught in the 'netTue Feb 07 1995 09:28111
5437.44Call!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Feb 08 1995 13:09174
5437.45SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Feb 08 1995 13:09316
5437.46rebuttle to HCI's criticism of KleckSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Feb 09 1995 07:3872
5437.59warrantless searches!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon Feb 13 1995 13:2571
5437.60Mailing in an order today for 100 postersGENRAL::KILGOREThe UT Desert Rat living in COMon Feb 13 1995 14:356
5437.61SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Feb 17 1995 15:19178
5437.63One down, 49,999 to go.STAR::OKELLEYKevin O'Kelley, OpenVMS DCE SecurityFri Feb 17 1995 16:5518
5437.66SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Feb 21 1995 09:12349
5437.68NRA TV channel!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Feb 21 1995 14:2321
5437.73SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Feb 22 1995 16:411000
5437.75SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Feb 23 1995 07:08122
5437.76anti article reaffirms rights!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Feb 23 1995 13:0191
5437.77old but worth a readSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Feb 23 1995 13:01119
5437.78good facts on the militia!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Feb 23 1995 13:02135
5437.79SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Feb 23 1995 13:02182
5437.80patrick henry's famous speechSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Feb 23 1995 13:02131
5437.84Correction to poster size - 2ft x 3ftGENRAL::KILGOREThe UT Desert Rat living in COFri Feb 24 1995 14:197
5437.85the devil made me do it :-} ;-}TIS::HAMBURGERREMEMBER NOVEMBER: FREEDOM COUNTSFri Feb 24 1995 14:5712
5437.86SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Feb 24 1995 15:037
5437.87I vote Yes for .GIF :^)OOU812::LEIBRANDTFri Feb 24 1995 16:082
5437.88SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Feb 24 1995 16:5913
5437.92SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon Feb 27 1995 12:40353
5437.93SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon Feb 27 1995 12:41645
5437.94SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon Feb 27 1995 14:4757
5437.96legislation to eliminate marksmanship program!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Feb 28 1995 09:1734
5437.97pro-gun speakersSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Feb 28 1995 09:18265
5437.101SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Feb 28 1995 15:2087
5437.102ladies, call and write family circle magazine!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Mar 01 1995 09:3076
5437.103SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Mar 02 1995 11:0045
5437.105SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 03 1995 07:12249
5437.106SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 03 1995 07:13120
5437.107SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 03 1995 09:4412
5437.108SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Mar 07 1995 05:49138
5437.109SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Mar 07 1995 05:49143
5437.110SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Mar 09 1995 07:4736
5437.111SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Mar 09 1995 10:38150
5437.112SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Mar 09 1995 10:39147
5437.113SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Mar 09 1995 10:39100
5437.114NRA tv show summarySUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Mar 09 1995 12:30300
5437.115my directory listingSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Mar 09 1995 12:43196
5437.116SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Mar 09 1995 14:2738
5437.117SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 10 1995 16:0144
5437.118great pro-2nd amendment stuff.SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Mar 14 1995 13:12275
5437.119more good pro-gun stuffSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Mar 14 1995 13:1382
5437.120SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Mar 14 1995 13:29180
5437.121SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Mar 14 1995 13:34167
5437.122SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Mar 14 1995 13:46206
5437.123SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 17 1995 04:51687
5437.124SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 17 1995 04:52402
5437.125from Http://www.cdc.gov - Center for Disease ControlSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 17 1995 07:0192
5437.126Gentlemen, I present the enemy.SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 17 1995 07:21219
5437.127weapons carry in high schoolsSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 17 1995 08:47174
5437.128deaths from firearms and carsSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 17 1995 09:29205
5437.129homocides of persons 18 or underSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 17 1995 09:56192
5437.130SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 17 1995 10:15162
5437.131SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 17 1995 14:10730
5437.132Know any cops on restraining orders?SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 17 1995 16:00111
5437.133SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CSat Mar 18 1995 07:249
5437.134that gif file is of terrible quality, any chance of a better one?FIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Sat Mar 18 1995 11:096
5437.135SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CSat Mar 18 1995 11:498
5437.136SNOC02::HAGARTYDMein Leben als HundSun Mar 19 1995 18:553
5437.137huh ?ZEKE::MAURERSW Licensing & Business PracticesMon Mar 20 1995 13:5618
5437.138SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon Mar 20 1995 15:2082
5437.139well written pieceSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon Mar 20 1995 15:20186
5437.140GRANPA::MWANNEMACHERNRA member in good standingMon Mar 20 1995 16:598
5437.141SOLVIT::CHENTue Mar 21 1995 09:0550
5437.142select exerpts from:SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Mar 21 1995 09:5867
5437.143SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Mar 22 1995 10:18284
5437.144SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Mar 23 1995 13:57108
5437.145SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Mar 23 1995 14:30243
5437.146Massachusetts arroganceSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 24 1995 11:1962
5437.147NRA's refuse to be a victim course.SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CSat Mar 25 1995 11:30291
5437.148Send a letter peeps! E-mail address at bottom!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon Mar 27 1995 07:0048
5437.149SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon Mar 27 1995 17:3249
5437.150SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Mar 29 1995 07:3754
5437.151NYPD hit/miss ratiosSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Mar 29 1995 07:3772
5437.152fax/phone alert!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Mar 29 1995 07:3883
5437.153SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Mar 29 1995 07:3983
5437.154subcommittee on crime! Call Today!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Mar 29 1995 07:4072
5437.155SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Mar 29 1995 15:39109
5437.156FYISUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 31 1995 07:1040
5437.157SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 31 1995 07:1180
5437.158SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Mar 31 1995 07:14115
5437.159gun confiscation in Canada!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon Apr 03 1995 14:43180
5437.160SNOC02::HAGARTYDMein Leben als HundMon Apr 03 1995 21:266
5437.161can't happen here? It already has!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Apr 04 1995 14:37151
5437.162SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Apr 06 1995 12:52113
5437.163SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Apr 06 1995 12:5369
5437.164Bobbies arming!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon Apr 10 1995 09:4276
5437.165SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Apr 12 1995 11:3961
5437.166Lest we forget how others have sufferedSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Apr 12 1995 11:42130
5437.167DECWET::PENNEYJohnny's World IIWed Apr 12 1995 11:4817
5437.168SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Apr 12 1995 12:2658
5437.169The repeal of the AW bill sponsors....SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Apr 12 1995 12:5411
5437.170SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Apr 12 1995 12:5888
5437.171SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Apr 12 1995 13:02218
5437.172SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Apr 12 1995 13:0288
5437.173SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Apr 13 1995 10:2789
5437.174SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Apr 13 1995 11:5774
5437.175SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Apr 13 1995 11:5777
5437.176SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Apr 13 1995 11:57310
5437.177Chucky doesn't know the BoR. What else doesn't he know?VMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyThu Apr 13 1995 13:5713
5437.178When the Law breaks in...SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Apr 14 1995 08:09110
5437.179SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CSat Apr 15 1995 08:18340
5437.180SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Apr 18 1995 11:4565
5437.181SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Apr 18 1995 11:4582
5437.182SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue Apr 18 1995 11:45189
5437.183SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Apr 20 1995 17:15801
5437.184read carefullySUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Apr 26 1995 10:1878
5437.185letters between schumer and doleSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Apr 26 1995 13:17145
5437.186SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Apr 26 1995 13:3487
5437.187SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Apr 26 1995 13:3878
5437.188Oh boy...there really going for it now...SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed Apr 26 1995 17:5468
5437.189DECWET::PENNEYJohnny's World IIWed Apr 26 1995 19:377
5437.190SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Apr 27 1995 08:068
5437.191what part was unacceptableTAMDNO::WHITMANthe 2nd Amendment assures the restThu Apr 27 1995 09:2516
5437.192GRANPA::MWANNEMACHERNRA member in good standingThu Apr 27 1995 10:118
5437.193NRA member for 15+ years and proud of it!LUDWIG::BINGThu Apr 27 1995 10:2420
5437.194SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Apr 27 1995 11:1722
5437.195STAR::OKELLEYKevin O'Kelley, OpenVMS DCE SecurityThu Apr 27 1995 11:3019
5437.196you mileage may vary...DECWET::PENNEYJohnny's World IIThu Apr 27 1995 11:4926
5437.197What the NRA does for meTAMDNO::WHITMANthe 2nd Amendment assures the restThu Apr 27 1995 11:5931
5437.198GRANPA::MWANNEMACHERNRA member in good standingThu Apr 27 1995 12:0412
5437.199SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Apr 27 1995 12:1412
5437.200that's all, folks!DECWET::PENNEYJohnny's World IIThu Apr 27 1995 12:3337
5437.201I would advise caution.STAR::OKELLEYKevin O'Kelley, OpenVMS DCE SecurityThu Apr 27 1995 13:0125
5437.202STAR::OKELLEYKevin O'Kelley, OpenVMS DCE SecurityThu Apr 27 1995 13:1222
5437.203Jackboot? I use bootjacks, but never heard of jackboots.FIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Thu Apr 27 1995 13:2522
5437.204I'll not pursue this further, honestTAMDNO::WHITMANthe 2nd Amendment assures the restThu Apr 27 1995 14:1737
5437.205I like the NRA, not necessarily WayneVMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyThu Apr 27 1995 15:2022
5437.206SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu Apr 27 1995 16:1857
5437.2073 articles from the netLUDWIG::BINGFri Apr 28 1995 10:29128
5437.208SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Apr 28 1995 11:2094
5437.209SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Apr 28 1995 11:2120
5437.210SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Apr 28 1995 12:2724
5437.211SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Apr 28 1995 14:3160
5437.212SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri Apr 28 1995 17:2830
5437.213POBOX::ROGERShard on the wind againFri Apr 28 1995 17:343
5437.214terrorist profileSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CSat Apr 29 1995 07:21142
5437.215POBOX::ROGERShard on the wind againSun Apr 30 1995 23:394
5437.216SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon May 01 1995 08:205
5437.217SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon May 01 1995 08:21131
5437.218some new quotes in hereSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon May 01 1995 08:21149
5437.219SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon May 01 1995 11:03156
5437.220SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon May 01 1995 11:0429
5437.221SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon May 01 1995 11:12117
5437.222another voice silencedSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon May 01 1995 11:19175
5437.223SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 02 1995 11:04102
5437.224SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 02 1995 11:06140
5437.225SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 02 1995 11:06132
5437.226SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 02 1995 11:0674
5437.227OKC blastSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 02 1995 11:0925
5437.228SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 02 1995 11:16270
5437.229LogicalMINOTR::BANCROFTTue May 02 1995 16:128
5437.230SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 03 1995 07:0118
5437.231Re: 5437.223YIELD::ACARLSONThu May 04 1995 09:59155
5437.232SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu May 04 1995 10:256
5437.233SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 05 1995 08:2114
5437.234SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 05 1995 08:2143
5437.235SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 05 1995 08:221136
5437.236SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 05 1995 08:2343
5437.237SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 05 1995 08:2368
5437.238SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 05 1995 08:24112
5437.239SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 05 1995 11:05176
5437.240SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 05 1995 11:58102
5437.241SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 05 1995 11:5958
5437.242SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 05 1995 12:55261
5437.243Violent militia's are already outlawedSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 05 1995 17:03280
5437.244NPSS::RAUHALAFri May 05 1995 19:0415
5437.245stuck between a rock and a hard placeHOTLNE::BURTSat May 06 1995 08:4027
5437.246What about the scouts ?ASABET::MCWILLIAMSMon May 08 1995 09:398
5437.247SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon May 08 1995 13:2839
5437.249SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon May 08 1995 13:2828
5437.250What does this have to do with guns?!?!TOOK::NICOLAZZOA shocking lack of Gov. regulationTue May 09 1995 09:504
5437.251SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 09 1995 11:0711
5437.252CSC32::J_FELDMANlightwriting in my camera obscuraTue May 09 1995 12:3927
5437.253SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 09 1995 13:56372
5437.254HOTLNE::BURTTue May 09 1995 14:553
5437.255GRANPA::MWANNEMACHERNRA memberTue May 09 1995 15:227
5437.256If you spewed over the last one, you'll love this!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 09 1995 15:4329
5437.257GRANPA::MWANNEMACHERNRA memberTue May 09 1995 15:537
5437.258SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 09 1995 17:02174
5437.259SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 09 1995 17:0574
5437.260SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 09 1995 17:0577
5437.261from Neil SchulmanSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 10 1995 10:11118
5437.262WSJ article on Clintons Michigan speechSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 10 1995 10:1265
5437.263SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 10 1995 10:1298
5437.264SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 10 1995 10:2879
5437.265He forgot something.VMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyWed May 10 1995 11:216
5437.266Oh crap...he was a member!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 10 1995 11:447
5437.267SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 10 1995 17:22125
5437.268globe slams militia's/NRA!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 10 1995 17:5057
5437.269Boston Globe internet addressesSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 10 1995 17:5116
5437.270this is the automated reply from the GlobeSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu May 11 1995 08:1178
5437.271SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu May 11 1995 12:5091
5437.272SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu May 11 1995 12:50116
5437.273Whats GB gonna run for now?LUDWIG::BINGThu May 11 1995 13:506
5437.274GRANPA::MWANNEMACHERNRA memberThu May 11 1995 14:405
5437.275Bush? was he the guy that banned inports of guns that looked like assault rifles?FIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Thu May 11 1995 17:350
5437.276PEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesThu May 11 1995 22:177
5437.277SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 12 1995 08:11187
5437.278SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 12 1995 08:1183
5437.279SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 12 1995 08:12369
5437.280SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 12 1995 08:13101
5437.281SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 12 1995 08:1712
5437.282George Bush's resignation letterSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CFri May 12 1995 10:3152
5437.283more fallout re. OK CityDECWET::PENNEYJohnny's World IIFri May 12 1995 10:5615
5437.284SNOC02::HAGARTYDMein Leben als HundSun May 14 1995 23:095
5437.285SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon May 15 1995 08:26164
5437.286SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon May 15 1995 08:28528
5437.287SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon May 15 1995 08:29128
5437.288SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon May 15 1995 08:29156
5437.289CSC32::J_FELDMANlightwriting in my camera obscuraMon May 15 1995 13:2529
5437.290SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CMon May 15 1995 13:3958
5437.291SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 16 1995 08:0131
5437.292old NRA stuffSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 16 1995 11:25142
5437.29374.5million rounds being returned by BATF!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 16 1995 11:2578
5437.294interesting info about OKCSUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 16 1995 11:42328
5437.295More political BSYIELD::ACARLSONPhil Gramm in '96Tue May 16 1995 11:5118
5437.296SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CTue May 16 1995 15:1281
5437.297Here's a mailing list you might like to join!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 17 1995 08:15225
5437.298SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 17 1995 08:1631
5437.299SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 17 1995 08:1728
5437.301SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 17 1995 08:1943
5437.302SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 17 1995 08:2158
5437.303a win in Texas!SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 17 1995 08:2223
5437.304SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 17 1995 08:2452
5437.305SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 17 1995 12:4326
5437.306SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 17 1995 12:43163
5437.307SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 17 1995 12:44132
5437.308SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CWed May 17 1995 12:44143
5437.309Duh! ;-)DECWET::PENNEYJohnny's World IIWed May 17 1995 12:464
5437.310Read it again :-)SNOC02::HAGARTYDMein Leben als HundThu May 18 1995 07:0616
5437.311SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu May 18 1995 08:1953
5437.312SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu May 18 1995 08:19140
5437.313another story about media not telling the whole storySUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu May 18 1995 08:22126
5437.314SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu May 18 1995 11:1926
5437.315SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu May 18 1995 11:1969
5437.316media report - NRA apologyDECWET::PENNEYJohnny's World IIThu May 18 1995 11:377
5437.317Pointer to tech article CADPOLAR::ROBINSONPLiv'er on the edgeThu May 18 1995 12:296
5437.318SUBPAC::SADINOne if by LAN, two if by CThu May 18 1995 13:34218
5437.319SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Mon May 22 1995 08:0640
5437.320Good riddens to Tom Foley. NRA should've kicked him out like Bush.MARKO::MCKENZIEMark S. McKenzie - CSS/RSG - DTN: 264-0873Tue May 23 1995 09:2977
5437.321SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Tue May 23 1995 10:0180
5437.322SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Tue May 23 1995 10:01322
5437.323SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Tue May 23 1995 10:02231
5437.324SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Tue May 23 1995 10:0345
5437.325SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Tue May 23 1995 10:0489
5437.326Founding FathersNWD002::SCHWENKEN_FRSocial Security is a loaded .45Tue May 23 1995 16:4359
5437.327the latest directory listing for my directorySUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Tue May 23 1995 17:39314
5437.328SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed May 24 1995 08:236
5437.329SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed May 24 1995 08:2368
5437.330SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed May 24 1995 08:2433
5437.331SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed May 24 1995 08:2524
5437.332SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed May 24 1995 10:4435
5437.333SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu May 25 1995 08:1332
5437.334SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu May 25 1995 08:14178
5437.335NRA banned in Texas!??!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu May 25 1995 08:2026
5437.336SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu May 25 1995 11:1973
5437.337a little tongue in cheek.SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu May 25 1995 11:2298
5437.338SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu May 25 1995 11:23133
5437.339you're safer owning a firearm than owning a car!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu May 25 1995 15:0516
5437.340SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu May 25 1995 15:1625
5437.341SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu May 25 1995 15:1726
5437.342MPGS::MARKEYThe bottom end of Liquid SanctuaryThu May 25 1995 15:2525
5437.343SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu May 25 1995 15:4013
5437.344SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri May 26 1995 09:3224
5437.345SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed May 31 1995 08:2881
5437.346SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed May 31 1995 08:29134
5437.347SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 01 1995 12:58263
5437.348SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 02 1995 08:2064
5437.349SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Mon Jun 05 1995 08:27670
5437.350SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Mon Jun 05 1995 08:27669
5437.351SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Mon Jun 05 1995 08:28107
5437.352SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Mon Jun 05 1995 08:5379
5437.354SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Tue Jun 06 1995 08:188
5437.355SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Tue Jun 06 1995 08:1915
5437.356http://www.iquest.net/lugar/lugar.htn appears to be bogusFIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Tue Jun 06 1995 08:560
5437.357SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Tue Jun 06 1995 09:067
5437.358this is what I get...nice homepage graphics too!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Tue Jun 06 1995 10:1548
5437.359the senator's biographySUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Tue Jun 06 1995 10:23150
5437.360NOVA::FISHERnow |a|n|a|l|o|g|Tue Jun 06 1995 10:316
5437.361SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Tue Jun 06 1995 11:0991
5437.362SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Tue Jun 06 1995 11:09206
5437.363SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Tue Jun 06 1995 11:10112
5437.364more on Luger....SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Tue Jun 06 1995 11:5749
5437.365not firearm related, but interesting infoSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 09 1995 08:25163
5437.366read this! very interesting...SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 09 1995 08:51340
5437.367video on the OKC bombingSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 09 1995 16:11141
5437.368SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 09 1995 16:1275
5437.369some good quotesSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 09 1995 16:1275
5437.370MIGHTY::WILLIAMSBryan WilliamsFri Jun 09 1995 20:17409
5437.371the clinton chronicles. Interesting reading.SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Mon Jun 12 1995 08:182100
5437.372SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Mon Jun 12 1995 08:4814
5437.373a cry for help!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Mon Jun 12 1995 09:4790
5437.374SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jun 14 1995 08:4697
5437.375SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jun 14 1995 08:4695
5437.376SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jun 14 1995 08:5321
5437.377pro-gun radio!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jun 14 1995 09:3765
5437.378ammo raid blunderSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 15 1995 08:26112
5437.379SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 15 1995 08:2640
5437.380SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 15 1995 08:2725
5437.381SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 15 1995 08:2746
5437.382now this is sillySUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 15 1995 08:2825
5437.383looks like our friends in Canada lostSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 15 1995 08:2851
5437.384SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 15 1995 14:0811
5437.385notice how much publicity govt screwups get?SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 15 1995 14:0946
5437.386I would've had a freakin' heart attack!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 15 1995 14:1099
5437.387SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 15 1995 19:3911
5437.388goal is on the web!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 15 1995 19:52189
5437.389SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 15 1995 20:5412
5437.390Machine Gun News is on the web too! Wow! :)SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 15 1995 20:5830
5437.391on the lighter side. :*_)SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 15 1995 21:01157
5437.393Suter refutes Kellerman's latestSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 16 1995 18:5942
5437.394e-mail addresses of congresscritters...SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 16 1995 19:02420
5437.395I got this off the United Nations homepage! Hmmm...SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 16 1995 20:42329
5437.396select excerpt from...SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 16 1995 20:5432
5437.397A very very interesting report! read carefullySUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 16 1995 21:04396
5437.398SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Jun 17 1995 10:5495
5437.399DOJ report on firearms and crimeSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Jun 17 1995 18:07233
5437.400DOJ report on firearms and crime - 1994SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Jun 17 1995 18:08233
5437.401SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Jun 17 1995 18:096
5437.402all the more reason to carry a gun I say!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Jun 17 1995 19:0680
5437.403SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Jun 17 1995 19:06102
5437.404SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Jun 17 1995 19:321303
5437.405excerpt from:SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Jun 17 1995 19:4836
5437.406good place to get some data!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Jun 17 1995 19:5445
5437.407SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 22 1995 11:2528
5437.408Interstate transport of firearms - U.S. CodeSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 22 1995 13:3651
5437.409You can bring action against the state for being denied!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 22 1995 13:5444
5437.410firearms in a federal building (post office, etc).SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 22 1995 13:58107
5437.411dang....:)SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 22 1995 14:0121
5437.412Loan or rental of firearms. I found this interesting!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jun 22 1995 19:2632
5437.413can't afford the stamp? Send petitions to Congress for free!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 23 1995 08:2440
5437.414SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 23 1995 13:0926
5437.415SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 23 1995 13:0940
5437.416Objectivism Study GroupSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 23 1995 19:47335
5437.417Where to get the 1993 UCRSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Jun 24 1995 20:1038
5437.418Judge slams the NRA!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jun 28 1995 11:2819
5437.419FCOSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jun 28 1995 11:281416
5437.420Tanya Metaksa on H.R. 1488SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jun 30 1995 08:34127
5437.421a rather uplifting piece!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Jul 01 1995 11:34100
5437.422SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Jul 01 1995 18:21113
5437.423list of campaign net sites....SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 05 1995 08:3768
5437.424SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 05 1995 08:38292
5437.425GRANPA::MWANNEMACHERNRA memberWed Jul 05 1995 09:224
5437.426SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 05 1995 13:1571
5437.427SNOC02::HAGARTYDMein Leben als HundThu Jul 06 1995 03:029
5437.428SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jul 07 1995 08:3735
5437.429SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jul 07 1995 08:3769
5437.430SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jul 07 1995 08:38291
5437.431SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jul 07 1995 08:3899
5437.432SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jul 07 1995 08:38325
5437.433call call call!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 12 1995 08:4010
5437.434NUBOAT::HEBERTCaptain BlighWed Jul 12 1995 10:064
5437.435Oh no...not another Kennedy in office...:*(SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 12 1995 11:4448
5437.436STAR::OKELLEYKevin O'Kelley, OpenVMS DCE SecurityWed Jul 12 1995 12:328
5437.437SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 12 1995 12:564
5437.438atoms don't kill, people do! Interesting quote.SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 12 1995 13:0111
5437.439This quote seems appropriateMCITS1::TEJAWed Jul 12 1995 13:487
5437.440SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jul 13 1995 08:03391
5437.441Anytime someone complains about the NRA's statement, use this!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jul 14 1995 08:329
5437.442SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jul 14 1995 08:33163
5437.443Some rambelingsTPWORM::BRYANTFri Jul 14 1995 11:2322
5437.444CSC32::D_PELTONENLifestyles of the Fat and UglyFri Jul 14 1995 13:058
5437.445PEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesFri Jul 14 1995 13:083
5437.446SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jul 14 1995 13:106
5437.447HOTLNE::BURTFri Jul 14 1995 14:1316
5437.448In the Gravest ExtremeCIVPR1::STOCKFri Jul 14 1995 16:5112
5437.449DECWET::LOWEBruce Lowe, DECwest Eng., DTN 548-8910Fri Jul 14 1995 17:377
5437.450.448 = yesNWD002::SCHWENKEN_FRFri Jul 14 1995 18:083
5437.451MPGS::MARKEYThe bottom end of Liquid SanctuarySat Jul 15 1995 15:1112
5437.452SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Jul 15 1995 15:454
5437.453SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 19 1995 12:3237
5437.454SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 26 1995 12:23616
5437.455anti group in CO!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 26 1995 12:24211
5437.456SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 26 1995 12:2433
5437.457SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 26 1995 12:25318
5437.458SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 26 1995 12:25362
5437.459col cooper speaks!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 26 1995 12:26322
5437.460SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 26 1995 12:2675
5437.461SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Jul 26 1995 12:2794
5437.462SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Jul 27 1995 10:1797
5437.463SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Jul 28 1995 15:4015
5437.464bible info!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Aug 02 1995 11:2297
5437.465law reviewSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Aug 02 1995 11:22160
5437.466SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Aug 02 1995 11:23110
5437.467JPFO releaseSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Aug 02 1995 11:24158
5437.468SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Aug 04 1995 10:4925
5437.469Hmmmmm....SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Aug 05 1995 08:3087
5437.470SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Aug 05 1995 08:3240
5437.471file is 400+blks longSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Aug 05 1995 09:3012
5437.472SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Aug 16 1995 08:4055
5437.473SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Aug 16 1995 08:4065
5437.474SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Aug 16 1995 08:4153
5437.475SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Wed Aug 16 1995 08:4311
5437.476complaints to media...SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Aug 17 1995 11:4414
5437.477SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Aug 17 1995 11:44145
5437.478SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Aug 17 1995 11:4491
5437.479SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Aug 17 1995 11:4544
5437.480SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Aug 17 1995 11:47117
5437.481munitions t-shirt! :)SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Aug 17 1995 11:4858
5437.482SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Aug 17 1995 18:0626
5437.483SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Aug 17 1995 19:40167
5437.484protect those ears!SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Aug 17 1995 20:0430
5437.485SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Aug 18 1995 11:37100
5437.486SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Aug 18 1995 11:3751
5437.487good readingSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Aug 18 1995 11:39117
5437.488SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Fri Aug 18 1995 17:1951
5437.489mostly repeat offenders...why am I not suprised?SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sat Aug 19 1995 18:17162
5437.490SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Sun Aug 20 1995 14:15251
5437.491SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Aug 24 1995 12:26103
5437.492SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Aug 24 1995 12:27839
5437.493SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Aug 24 1995 12:30110
5437.494women against gun-control web pageSUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Aug 24 1995 12:3224
5437.495message in a firearms forum...SUBPAC::SADINWe the people?Thu Aug 24 1995 12:3461
5437.496spewGRANPA::MWANNEMACHERNRA memberThu Aug 24 1995 12:442
5437.497DECWET::LOWEBruce Lowe, DECwest Eng., DTN 548-8910Thu Aug 24 1995 15:144
5437.498SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Thu Aug 24 1995 19:568
5437.499send mail to newsweek about erroneous reporting!SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Fri Aug 25 1995 08:3239
5437.500Add USA Today to the Pinko list, IMHODPDMAI::EYSTERTexas twang, caribbean soulFri Aug 25 1995 13:2413
5437.501SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Fri Aug 25 1995 19:025
5437.502SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sat Aug 26 1995 08:13128
5437.503SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sat Aug 26 1995 08:14395
5437.504Web site of anti clinton stuff STUDIO::PALUSESBob Paluses @MROMon Aug 28 1995 11:078
5437.505must keep 'em busy with updates, 'eh?DPDMAI::EYSTERTexas twang, caribbean soulTue Aug 29 1995 13:550
5437.506SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Thu Aug 31 1995 08:2851
5437.507web pageSUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Thu Aug 31 1995 08:2875
5437.508SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Thu Aug 31 1995 08:2986
5437.509SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Thu Aug 31 1995 08:2973
5437.510SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Thu Aug 31 1995 08:291114
5437.511SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Thu Aug 31 1995 08:30344
5437.512write to this guy if you support him!SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Thu Aug 31 1995 08:3157
5437.513SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Thu Aug 31 1995 10:0383
5437.514paintballers targeted by SWAT team!SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sat Sep 02 1995 07:5691
5437.515what to say when the guvmint comes knockin'....SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sat Sep 02 1995 08:25137
5437.516what it means to be a demSUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Sep 03 1995 15:1374
5437.517terrorism billSUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Wed Sep 06 1995 08:16259
5437.518Jefferson on the newspaperSUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Wed Sep 06 1995 08:1883
5437.519SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Wed Sep 06 1995 08:1964
5437.520ar-15 deal for SAF members!SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Wed Sep 06 1995 11:0359
5437.521SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Wed Sep 06 1995 11:04138
5437.522SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Sep 10 1995 12:27234
5437.523know thine enemySUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Sep 10 1995 12:28128
5437.524good speechSUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Sep 10 1995 12:29306
5437.525Gun Control and Economic DiscriminationSUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Sep 10 1995 15:00105
5437.5261-800# for congress!SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Tue Sep 12 1995 07:274
5437.527Ruby RidgeSUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Tue Sep 12 1995 07:2729
5437.528My latest directory list. Please copy on off hours!SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Tue Sep 12 1995 08:13386
5437.529SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Tue Sep 12 1995 19:1267
5437.530SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Tue Sep 12 1995 19:13196
5437.531SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Wed Sep 13 1995 13:36165
5437.532SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Wed Sep 13 1995 13:37141
5437.533SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Wed Sep 13 1995 13:38138
5437.534SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Wed Sep 13 1995 13:38104
5437.535SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Wed Sep 13 1995 13:3927
5437.536SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Wed Sep 13 1995 13:4212
5437.537good ol' Mr. Kennedy is at it again!SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Sep 17 1995 16:14354
5437.538SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Sep 17 1995 16:1581
5437.539SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Sep 17 1995 16:1529
5437.540big brother is watchingSUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Sep 17 1995 16:1697
5437.541SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Sep 17 1995 16:1677
5437.542SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Sep 17 1995 16:16100
5437.543more interesting readingSUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Sep 17 1995 16:19147
5437.544SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Mon Sep 18 1995 14:0169
5437.545call call call callSUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Tue Sep 19 1995 10:4692
5437.546SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Mon Sep 25 1995 09:0823
5437.547SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Mon Sep 25 1995 09:08123
5437.548SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Mon Sep 25 1995 09:0839
5437.549for informational purposes onlySUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Mon Sep 25 1995 09:08113
5437.550SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Tue Sep 26 1995 08:2988
5437.551G. Gordon Liddy's e-mail addressSUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Tue Sep 26 1995 08:3148
5437.552some interesting thoughts on the LA shootingSUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Wed Sep 27 1995 08:03180
5437.553local news article!SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Wed Sep 27 1995 08:22192
5437.554thought for the daySUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Wed Sep 27 1995 08:2330
5437.555SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Oct 01 1995 15:07268
5437.556SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Oct 01 1995 15:0829
5437.557SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Oct 01 1995 15:08121
5437.558supreme court rejects gun ban in public housingSUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Tue Oct 03 1995 08:1121
5437.559a view on the 2nd amendmentSUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Wed Oct 04 1995 11:1495
5437.560SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Sun Oct 08 1995 10:00826
5437.561anti-gun article in T&GSUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Tue Oct 10 1995 16:31247
5437.562A four thousandths of one percent problem?PEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesTue Oct 10 1995 17:0016
5437.563SUBPAC::SADINfrankly scallop, I don't give a clam!Tue Oct 10 1995 17:4813
5437.564Gee, open enrolement is coming up for Fallon...time to get out?FIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Wed Oct 11 1995 09:530
5437.565LUDWIG::BINGWed Oct 11 1995 10:3415
5437.566CSC32::VISAGEWed Oct 11 1995 13:174
5437.567SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Oct 17 1995 08:2423
5437.568SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Oct 17 1995 08:2490
5437.569SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Oct 17 1995 08:26464
5437.570SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Oct 17 1995 08:26528
5437.571SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Oct 18 1995 11:3582
5437.572on buyback programsSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Oct 18 1995 14:00109
5437.573SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 22 1995 07:3819
5437.574SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 22 1995 07:3845
5437.575SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 22 1995 07:39602
5437.576SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 22 1995 07:40115
5437.577SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 22 1995 07:4018
5437.578SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 22 1995 07:4015
5437.579SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 22 1995 07:4074
5437.580SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sat Oct 28 1995 13:429
5437.581Amos and Tanya's last correspondence.SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sat Oct 28 1995 13:4331
5437.582SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sat Oct 28 1995 13:4375
5437.583SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sat Oct 28 1995 13:44147
5437.584SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sat Oct 28 1995 13:4464
5437.585A quote to "inspire" you....SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sat Oct 28 1995 13:454
5437.586SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sat Oct 28 1995 13:4726
5437.587SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sat Oct 28 1995 13:4864
5437.588SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sat Oct 28 1995 13:49112
5437.589SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sat Oct 28 1995 13:5077
5437.590This is rich...SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 29 1995 16:3036
5437.591docs are packin' heat! :)SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 29 1995 16:4040
5437.592Phil Gramm and the NRASUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 29 1995 18:24157
5437.593Phil Gramm on the 2nd amendment and gun controlSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 29 1995 20:1961
5437.594know thine enemySUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Nov 01 1995 08:5488
5437.595I feel a mailing coming on...:)SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Nov 05 1995 10:5516
5437.596GOP not on the ball?SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Nov 05 1995 10:5680
5437.597SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Nov 05 1995 10:5647
5437.598Good news for gunners!SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Nov 05 1995 15:3384
5437.599Thief awarded money after being shot!SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Nov 07 1995 07:349
5437.600SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Nov 07 1995 08:42355
5437.601SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Nov 07 1995 08:4224
5437.602GRANPA::MWANNEMACHERRIP Amos, you will be missedTue Nov 07 1995 13:443
5437.603PRO RKBAAWECIM::SCALZIFri Nov 10 1995 23:054
5437.604SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Nov 13 1995 11:36927
5437.605Schumer at it again! Let's get this bum out!SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Nov 14 1995 07:15220
5437.606still don't believe we live in a state of emergency?SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Nov 14 1995 07:1671
5437.608It's why the federal gov't is so big, not a clinton problemVMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyTue Nov 14 1995 17:4613
5437.610Nobody will do it, unless "helped"VMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyTue Nov 14 1995 20:2112
5437.611Day twoDPDMAI::EYSTERLife is lived best one day at a timeWed Nov 15 1995 10:0215
5437.612GRANPA::MWANNEMACHERRIP Amos, you will be missedWed Nov 15 1995 10:476
5437.613PEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesWed Nov 15 1995 12:295
5437.614Love itMINOTR::BANCROFTWed Nov 15 1995 12:446
5437.615ACISS1::ROGERSRhard on the wind againWed Nov 15 1995 17:2114
5437.616Ever wanna just throw up after reading something?DPDMAI::EYSTERLife is lived best one day at a timeThu Nov 16 1995 10:271
5437.617if it only saves one lifeTAMDNO::WHITMANthe 2nd Amendment assures the restThu Nov 16 1995 13:0216
5437.618PEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesThu Nov 16 1995 14:1618
5437.619;^)SCASS1::GUINEO::MOOREPerhapsTheDreamIsDreamingUsThu Nov 16 1995 18:325
5437.620HOTLNE::BURTFri Nov 17 1995 11:3413
5437.621PEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesFri Nov 17 1995 12:2911
5437.622STAR::OKELLEYKevin O'Kelley, OpenVMS DCE SecurityFri Nov 17 1995 13:0311
5437.623Playing the odds.....PEAKS::LILAKWho IS John Galt ?Fri Nov 17 1995 13:3529
5437.624Governor Schumer? ACK!!!!SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Nov 19 1995 07:2943
5437.625this'll send a chill up yer spineSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Nov 19 1995 07:3088
5437.626SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Nov 19 1995 07:3189
5437.627SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Nov 28 1995 12:1024
5437.628SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Nov 28 1995 16:1976
5437.629gift ideasSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Nov 28 1995 16:2017
5437.630why do I even bother?SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Nov 28 1995 17:3763
5437.631Free GPS seminarSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Fri Dec 01 1995 14:3910
5437.632gone????MKOTS3::LECLAIRFri Dec 01 1995 16:588
5437.633SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Dec 03 1995 07:168
5437.634GOAL homepage!SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Dec 03 1995 08:56108
5437.635Outdoorsman is next to Duncan Donuts...across the street and 400 yds twrds WorcesterFIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Sun Dec 03 1995 14:060
5437.636SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Dec 04 1995 07:00112
5437.637WacoSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Dec 04 1995 07:00150
5437.638forget gun control....let's talk knife control!SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Dec 11 1995 06:588
5437.639I believe this is in all our interests....SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Dec 11 1995 06:59248
5437.640tongue in cheekSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Dec 12 1995 09:55152
5437.641SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Dec 13 1995 11:1244
5437.642Texans....look!SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Dec 17 1995 15:5374
5437.643col Ian Philpott is alive and well!SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Dec 19 1995 14:5751
5437.644WLW::KIERMy grandchildren are the NRA!Tue Dec 19 1995 20:2812
5437.645BIGHOG::PERCIVALI'm the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROWed Dec 20 1995 00:425
5437.646HmmmmmMAY30::FURBECKMEMBER: Norwegian Elkhound Fan ClubThu Dec 21 1995 10:263
5437.647HUUMMMMM is rightTIMMY::FORSONFri Dec 22 1995 11:295
5437.648Muzzle velocity close to light speed ;^)SCASS1::EDITEX::MOOREPerhapsTheDreamIsDreamingUsWed Dec 27 1995 00:416
5437.649Rhino ammo marketed under Razor brand nameTAMDNO::WHITMANthe 2nd Amendment assures the restWed Dec 27 1995 08:287
5437.650extrapolation ?ZEKE::MAURERSW Licensing & Business PracticesThu Dec 28 1995 10:0611
5437.651Assault-weapons ban articleGENRAL::KILGOREThe UT Desert Rat living in COThu Dec 28 1995 10:59107
5437.652GRANPA::MWANNEMACHERRIP Amos, you will be missedThu Dec 28 1995 14:327
5437.653NWD002::SCHWENKEN_FRThu Dec 28 1995 15:139
5437.654STOWOA::ROSCHThu Dec 28 1995 15:1610
5437.655A life is a life, badge or otherwize.OGOPW1::MICHAELSONThu Dec 28 1995 15:287
5437.656STOWOA::ROSCHThu Dec 28 1995 15:387
5437.657yet another view DECWET::PENNEYJohnny's World IIThu Dec 28 1995 15:5923
5437.658defiance of authorityTAMDNO::WHITMANthe 2nd Amendment assures the restFri Dec 29 1995 08:237
5437.659An answerMINOTR::BANCROFTFri Dec 29 1995 09:2922
5437.660GRANPA::MWANNEMACHERRIP Amos, you will be missedFri Dec 29 1995 10:1222
5437.661HOTLNE::BURTMon Jan 01 1996 11:5718
5437.662Some perspective:NWD002::SCHWENKEN_FRMon Jan 01 1996 16:1133
5437.663SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Jan 01 1996 16:351217
5437.664SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jan 02 1996 06:37271
5437.665SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jan 02 1996 07:18147
5437.666constitution of Bosnia/Herzegovina...the future for us?SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jan 02 1996 07:19229
5437.668SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jan 02 1996 07:2191
5437.669A time to reflectSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jan 02 1996 07:21165
5437.670STOWOA::ROSCHTue Jan 02 1996 09:5522
5437.671Coming soon to home injury/death handgun statistics....ALFA1::ALFA1::FALVELLATue Jan 02 1996 10:0425
5437.672Wrong number/group.FOR200::JOHNSTue Jan 02 1996 10:5310
5437.673SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jan 02 1996 11:207
5437.674PEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesTue Jan 02 1996 12:074
5437.675found this on the web....firearms in CanadaSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 14 1996 15:2360
5437.676Now don't you wish Mass was like this?SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 14 1996 15:53116
5437.677SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jan 16 1996 12:0740
5437.678SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jan 16 1996 12:07136
5437.679L. Neil SmithSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Jan 17 1996 10:55113
5437.680VMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyWed Jan 17 1996 14:4712
5437.681SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Jan 17 1996 15:534
5437.683BSS::BUCHHOLZWed Jan 17 1996 17:217
5437.684I hadn't read all of this before...interestingSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 21 1996 13:46239
5437.685Charlie Schumer at it again!SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 21 1996 13:4844
5437.686My my my...lookit all the stuff you can find...SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 21 1996 13:5189
5437.687I'm getting illSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 21 1996 13:54209
5437.688SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 21 1996 14:188
5437.689SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 21 1996 16:03121
5437.690good article!SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 21 1996 16:12217
5437.691law review of 2nd amendmentSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Jan 22 1996 10:3292
5437.692Militia program on discovery channel..repeat!SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sat Jan 27 1996 13:4820
5437.693SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 28 1996 07:21250
5437.694non-lethal weapons?SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 28 1996 07:21281
5437.695SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 28 1996 07:24669
5437.696SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 28 1996 07:24475
5437.697Overhead high in anti-gun orgsSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 28 1996 15:1716
5437.698Love her or hate her, this is good reading!SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Jan 29 1996 11:35534
5437.699the police will protect you! (not)SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jan 30 1996 06:5913
5437.700SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jan 30 1996 18:3247
5437.701SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Jan 31 1996 06:5079
5437.702SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Feb 04 1996 08:48278
5437.703SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Feb 06 1996 07:2511
5437.704WMOIS::GIROUARD_CTue Feb 06 1996 09:235
5437.705SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Feb 06 1996 09:337
5437.706MIMS::HENDERSON_JTue Feb 06 1996 09:5311
5437.707SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Feb 11 1996 07:2917
5437.708gun sweeps SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Feb 11 1996 07:3051
5437.709FYI...interesting numbersSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Feb 11 1996 07:3028
5437.710Big Brother is watchingSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Feb 11 1996 16:49151
5437.711SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Feb 12 1996 06:4847
5437.712a note from GOA on the Terrorism billSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Feb 14 1996 07:0567
5437.713interesting .sigSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Feb 14 1996 15:1311
5437.714ADL on militiasSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Thu Feb 22 1996 14:151366
5437.715Big Brother is getting smarterSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Feb 25 1996 07:1691
5437.716FCO report....Neal KnoxSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Feb 25 1996 07:171348
5437.717SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Feb 26 1996 18:3563
5437.718SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Feb 26 1996 18:37103
5437.719Dole and gun controlPEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesTue Feb 27 1996 12:31106
5437.720Dole more recently...FIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Tue Feb 27 1996 16:2313
5437.721MAYDAYVMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyTue Feb 27 1996 17:0210
5437.722SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Feb 27 1996 17:307
5437.723VMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyTue Feb 27 1996 17:4314
5437.724SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Feb 27 1996 17:587
5437.725SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Mar 03 1996 07:28139
5437.726Ruby Ridge officers honoredSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Mar 03 1996 14:5173
5437.727SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Mar 10 1996 11:17402
5437.728SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Mar 10 1996 11:22455
5437.729Terrorism bill.....call today!!!!SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Mar 10 1996 14:17147
5437.730food for thoughtSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Mar 11 1996 06:5176
5437.731children's defense fund...aka HCISUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Mar 12 1996 08:26142
5437.732just a little reminder about the goal of HCI et alSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Mar 13 1996 08:4510
5437.733blockbuster video...fyiSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Mar 24 1996 07:2747
5437.734SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Mar 24 1996 07:281313
5437.735HOTLNE::BURTMon Mar 25 1996 08:4211
5437.736ban killer jazz! I'd laugh if this guy wasn't seriousSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Mar 25 1996 19:3943
5437.737STOWOA::ROSCHTue Mar 26 1996 08:587
5437.738SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Mar 31 1996 08:25448
5437.739SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Mar 31 1996 08:2967
5437.740on the quest for disk spaceSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Mar 31 1996 15:0018
5437.741Facts about Canada's firearms lawSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Apr 01 1996 13:54322
5437.742Call and complainSTAR::BUDAI am the NRATue Apr 02 1996 18:0323
5437.743SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Apr 03 1996 07:5214
5437.744SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Apr 08 1996 13:3486
5437.745law articles regarding 2nd amendmentSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Apr 14 1996 15:04136
5437.746remember Morton Grove! don't let it happen here!SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Apr 14 1996 15:05705
5437.747SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Apr 22 1996 07:52570
5437.748hmmmSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Apr 23 1996 07:5344
5437.749DECWET::LOWEBruce Lowe, DECwest Eng., DTN 548-8910Thu Apr 25 1996 18:1413
5437.750CX3PST::TARGAS::THOMASThu Apr 25 1996 18:295
5437.751SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sat Apr 27 1996 12:268
5437.752Here we go....you knew it was coming...SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Apr 28 1996 08:1126
5437.753you knew it was comingSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun May 05 1996 08:0931
5437.754SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun May 12 1996 08:2042
5437.755SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon May 13 1996 11:038
5437.756HELP FOR GOAL GUNSHOW!SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed May 15 1996 20:0942
5437.757SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon May 20 1996 08:2826
5437.758SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon May 20 1996 08:2829
5437.759SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon May 20 1996 08:3010
5437.760WMOIS::GIROUARD_CMon May 20 1996 10:162
5437.761SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon May 20 1996 13:356
5437.762re 5437.713FIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Wed May 22 1996 16:237
5437.763SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed May 22 1996 16:574
5437.764PEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesWed May 22 1996 19:324
5437.766SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed May 29 1996 11:28112
5437.767SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Jun 03 1996 13:0063
5437.768for the purists among us. ;*)SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Jun 10 1996 08:0932
5437.769 ??? MINNY::ZUMBUEHLSapere aude !Tue Jun 11 1996 05:0815
5437.770SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jun 11 1996 08:1810
5437.771Which Service Uses It?SMURF::LIUChase the dream - not the competitionTue Jun 11 1996 08:5911
5437.772ALFSS2::HENDERSON_JTue Jun 11 1996 13:0312
5437.773\CSC32::HADDOCKSaddle RozinanteTue Jun 11 1996 13:578
5437.774yearly qulifyingKURIUS::LIBS_CTue Jun 11 1996 14:489
5437.775Marines are organized around combatVMSNET::RRICKI'd rather be fishing!Tue Jun 11 1996 16:5114
5437.776help needed for bone marrow transplantSUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Jun 12 1996 15:5722
5437.777SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jun 16 1996 09:1937
5437.778SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jun 16 1996 09:20691
5437.779SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jun 16 1996 09:20680
5437.780SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jun 23 1996 08:30945
5437.781SUBPAC::SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jun 23 1996 08:3123
5437.782how long before it's like this here? time to speak up!FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Jul 03 1996 07:4010
5437.783dunblane still in the newsFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sat Jul 06 1996 08:1811
5437.784USA Today articleFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jul 07 1996 11:0499
5437.785tell me this doesn't make you a BIT nervous.FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jul 09 1996 09:0186
5437.786not nervous about this oneNEWVAX::WHITMANgun control = 5% gun + 95% controlTue Jul 09 1996 10:1112
5437.787FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jul 09 1996 11:3410
5437.788CSEXP2::ANDREWSI'm the NRATue Jul 09 1996 14:136
5437.789Why trace when you don't need the answer?RANGER::WASSERJohn A. WasserTue Jul 09 1996 15:3817
5437.790PEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesTue Jul 09 1996 17:213
5437.791FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jul 09 1996 18:314
5437.792project LEAD...FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Jul 10 1996 07:59358
5437.793Info from BRADY?NETCAD::MCGRATHWed Jul 10 1996 09:438
5437.794NEWVAX::WHITMANgun control = 5% gun + 95% controlWed Jul 10 1996 09:478
5437.795ALFSS1::NEWSHAMJames Newsham @ALFWed Jul 10 1996 09:516
5437.796separate issuesNEWVAX::WHITMANgun control = 5% gun + 95% controlWed Jul 10 1996 09:599
5437.797at last look criminals did not fill out transfer forms for stolen firearms...boondogleFIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Wed Jul 10 1996 15:000
5437.798NEWVAX::WHITMANgun control = 5% gun + 95% controlWed Jul 10 1996 15:5118
5437.799What Brady Info?NETCAD::MCGRATHWed Jul 10 1996 17:1313
5437.800I see your pointNEWVAX::WHITMANgun control = 5% gun + 95% controlThu Jul 11 1996 09:0813
5437.801HOTLNE::BURTThu Jul 11 1996 09:3519
5437.802follow your noseNEWVAX::WHITMANgun control = 5% gun + 95% controlThu Jul 11 1996 15:2721
5437.803August 31st rally in DC!FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jul 14 1996 08:0650
5437.804FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jul 14 1996 12:2196
5437.805FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jul 16 1996 11:3376
5437.806Here we go again. FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Jul 17 1996 07:489
5437.807this should scare youFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Jul 22 1996 07:528
5437.808fco reportFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jul 30 1996 14:411540
5437.809good report! read on.....FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Aug 13 1996 15:501096
5437.810ow! don't sleep with your gun. :)FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Aug 13 1996 20:0228
5437.811lovelyFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Aug 14 1996 07:4210
5437.812Gives the term "bang" a new meaning!BSS::PROCTOR_RNatural born followerWed Aug 14 1996 11:451
5437.813Must have been 'cocked'ROWLET::AINSLEYLess than 150 KTS is TOO slowWed Aug 14 1996 13:041
5437.814Now it's 'De-cocked'NETCAD::MCGRATHWed Aug 14 1996 14:371
5437.815Oh Come on!FOR200::JOHNSThu Aug 15 1996 17:3417
5437.816NWD002::SCHWENKEN_FRWe're #2 in the Food Chain.Thu Aug 15 1996 19:103
5437.817FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Aug 25 1996 18:1349
5437.818four americans speak on firearms ownershipFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Aug 25 1996 18:1434
5437.819more quotes with footnotesFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 04 1996 08:04136
5437.820FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 04 1996 08:04288
5437.822FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 04 1996 08:0665
5437.823FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 04 1996 08:0677
5437.824FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 04 1996 08:0794
5437.825FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 04 1996 08:0799
5437.821anti-gun orgs. html junk removed. Thanks Judy!FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 04 1996 14:22838
5437.826Local politicians need help!FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 11 1996 08:0047
5437.827Goal stuffFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 11 1996 19:3121
5437.828PEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesWed Sep 11 1996 20:176
5437.829FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 11 1996 20:437
5437.830FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 11 1996 20:579
5437.831no so fastCSC32::J_HENSONDon't get even, get ahead!Thu Sep 12 1996 11:2218
5437.832STAR::OKELLEYWhere am I? #2: In The Village.Thu Sep 12 1996 11:4726
5437.833BSS::PROCTOR_RNatural born followerThu Sep 12 1996 12:0714
5437.834Some discussion off the IPSC list..PEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesThu Sep 12 1996 13:0258
5437.835Huh?CSC32::J_HENSONDon't get even, get ahead!Thu Sep 12 1996 13:1715
5437.836SUBSYS::NEUMYERYour memory still hangin roundThu Sep 12 1996 14:035
5437.837HOTLNE::BURTThu Sep 12 1996 15:1714
5437.838SSDEVO::LAMBERTShort TimerThu Sep 12 1996 15:476
5437.839SUBSYS::NEUMYERYour memory still hangin roundThu Sep 12 1996 15:514
5437.840CSC32::HADDOCKSaddle RozinanteThu Sep 12 1996 16:4715
5437.841PEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesFri Sep 13 1996 01:1513
5437.842We charge by the bit don'cha see..BSS::PROCTOR_RNatural born followerFri Sep 13 1996 01:495
5437.843FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Fri Sep 13 1996 08:088
5437.844remember in novemberFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 18 1996 08:14200
5437.845FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 18 1996 08:1596
5437.846so much for gun control in GB! :)FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 18 1996 08:169
5437.847PEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesWed Sep 18 1996 13:2111
5437.848DECWET::LOWEBruce Lowe, DECwest Eng., DTN 548-8910Wed Sep 18 1996 13:252
5437.849LUDWIG::BINGWed Sep 18 1996 13:455
5437.850It's impossible, the control will come gradually (like were seeing)VMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyWed Sep 18 1996 15:2110
5437.851if the govt. was that efficient, then ...DECWET::PENNEYWed Sep 18 1996 16:088
5437.852Seen it in actionSNOFS1::HAGARTYDMein Leben als HundWed Sep 18 1996 22:0910
5437.853IMO we got a bigger problem to prepare forVMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyThu Sep 19 1996 10:2819
5437.854But it _could_ all be coincidence...SSDEVO::LAMBERTShort TimerThu Sep 19 1996 12:4515
5437.855from goalFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Sep 23 1996 08:2684
5437.856FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Sep 23 1996 08:27113
5437.857MINOTR::BANCROFTTue Sep 24 1996 15:379
5437.858FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 25 1996 08:17613
5437.859FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 25 1996 08:171322
5437.860FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 25 1996 15:3262
5437.861re .-1. Wow; 70 some-odd years old & still true!BSS::PROCTOR_RNatural born followerWed Sep 25 1996 18:361
5437.862volunteers needed!FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sat Oct 05 1996 15:5231
5437.863gun free school zones are back! they snuck this one by!FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Oct 08 1996 13:46104
5437.864cool. will forward this one.BSS::PROCTOR_RNatural born followerTue Oct 08 1996 18:073
5437.865CSC32::HADDOCKSaddle RozinanteWed Oct 09 1996 15:598
5437.866FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 13 1996 08:16381
5437.867big surprise here (NOT)FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Oct 16 1996 08:028
5437.868FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 20 1996 08:2420
5437.869regarding the Aussie gun banFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 20 1996 08:25296
5437.870fco reportFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 20 1996 08:251375
5437.871FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 27 1996 17:5110
5437.872first guns, then knives.FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Oct 27 1996 17:528
5437.873FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Nov 03 1996 14:269
5437.874FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Nov 03 1996 14:2610
5437.875a bit of good news for our friends in EnglandFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Nov 13 1996 06:538
5437.876Aussie ammo unsafe! Beware Hirtenberger 9mm.FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Nov 13 1996 10:1029
5437.877BSS::PROCTOR_RNot with a bang, but with a whimperWed Nov 13 1996 10:541
5437.878it could disassemble your 9mm pistolFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Nov 13 1996 13:525
5437.879more on knife control in GBFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Nov 17 1996 11:3836
5437.880bjs report...longFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Nov 17 1996 12:56885
5437.881FBI UCR highlightsFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Nov 17 1996 12:57224
5437.882this note will be deleted shortly...FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Nov 17 1996 18:334
5437.882from GOAL!FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Nov 19 1996 17:0538
5437.883FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Nov 25 1996 17:5429
5437.884FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Nov 25 1996 17:541218
5437.885PEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesMon Nov 25 1996 17:5910
5437.886FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Nov 26 1996 06:4514
5437.887How do our English friends feel about this? I'd be outraged!FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Dec 09 1996 07:4810
5437.888PEAKS::OAKEYMon Dec 09 1996 11:404
5437.889DUH!SSDEVO::PULSIPHERTue Dec 10 1996 10:1712
5437.890FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Dec 10 1996 10:229
5437.891*8)BSS::PROCTOR_RFound in the Lab of Doom & PepsiTue Dec 10 1996 11:018
5437.892Unload != pull triggerNETCAD::MCGRATHTue Dec 10 1996 12:4413
5437.893CSC32::J_FELDMANlightwriting in my camera obscuraTue Dec 10 1996 16:1321
5437.894this one (3 shots, 3 guns) has come up before...is it another urban legend, or real?FIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Tue Dec 10 1996 17:560
5437.895I don't think it's a legend, but...CSC32::PLIERS::R_RHODESRich Rhodes, MCSThu Dec 12 1996 18:044
5437.896Hearing in Worcester!!!FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Dec 18 1996 10:0434
5437.897ASIC::RANDOLPHTom R. N1OOQFri Dec 20 1996 08:0559
5437.898Language added mean "done/approved" ??NPSS::WALTHALLFri Dec 20 1996 10:5425
5437.899Matt Rearwin's account of last night. email address attached.FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Fri Dec 20 1996 12:12202
5437.900Lew Horton's Gun Shop Aricle in The Boston Globe.NPSS::WALTHALLMon Dec 23 1996 08:5144
5437.901FYI. Lott/Mustard study on line. GREAT study.FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Dec 23 1996 15:294
5437.902someone had asked about a progun internet providerFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Dec 23 1996 15:3411
5437.903a report from Down UnderFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 05 1997 13:24121
5437.904Propoganda Phrase!!!!MINOTR::BANCROFTMon Jan 06 1997 08:276
5437.905FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Jan 06 1997 09:145
5437.906ASIC::RANDOLPHTom R. N1OOQMon Jan 06 1997 09:488
5437.907CSC32::HADDOCKPas Fini!Mon Jan 06 1997 10:398
5437.908ALFSS2::HENDERSON_JMon Jan 06 1997 12:118
5437.909check this out! GOAL update...FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Mon Jan 06 1997 18:0153
5437.910reprinted from the december G&AFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Tue Jan 07 1997 07:1246
5437.911FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 12 1997 09:421715
5437.912FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 26 1997 16:4193
                                       January 13, 1997
                                        SENATOR DUKE
                                        (719) 481-9289
                                       
                   By Senator Charles R. Duke
                       Colorado District 9

               THE END OF A CHAPTER, NOT THE BOOK

     For those who have read and commented about this column, 
let me say how deeply grateful I am for your support.  For those 
editors who have withstood its contents, I am truly appreciative 
of your courage, which is the appropriate word. A simpler and 
less complicated word would not apply. 
     Through this column, I have tried over the years to be a 
witness and to document the constitutional violations of those 
in office, both at the state and federal level.  Most who took 
the trouble to read it have appreciated the stands I have taken 
for truth, honor, and justice.  Some have, of course, used this 
column against me, twisting and distorting the words and phrases 
to something that was not at all intended.  I will not judge 
these latter people.  That is an exercise left for others. 
     If you read this column regularly, you also know that I go 
to great lengths to not personalize my columns.  This one has 
undoubtedly not escaped your notice that it is different.  It is 
intended to be a personal communication from me to you. 
     While it is more or less a trademark of mine to not mince 
words, you have probably gathered that I am leading up to 
something in a roundabout way.  This has been one of my more 
difficult columns, not to gather the thoughts, but to actually 
commit the words to paper. 
     You see, this is my last regularly scheduled column. 
     There may, on occasion, be future articles about one thing 
or another that I believe worthy of your time.  Hopefully, these 
will relate to events that are current and sufficiently 
controversial to merit public debate. 
     This particular column will be appropriately controversial 
and there will be those who disagree with its premise, some 
perhaps strongly.  Nothing would be better than for the entire 
country to disagree and be motivated to prove me wrong. 
     It is my belief that we have now reached the point of 
diminishing returns in our battle to restore the Constitution.  
We would serve each other better to spend our time and energy 
learning how to survive in a country devoid of freedom, which 
is, I believe, the unstated goal of powerful interests who are 
now running our nation, both politically and economically.  You 
may not at this time share this belief with me, but the day may 
come very soon when you will. 
     In several previous columns, I went on record stating that 
1996 was a critical year and that the only known peaceful 
solution to reclaiming our Constitution was a public outcry for 
that at the November elections.  While there were some notable 
exceptions, on balance the status quo won in November.  In 
Colorado, every legislator candidate for re-election who had a 
strong unconstitutional record was returned. 
     Since carrying the nation's first Tenth Amendment Resolution
three years ago, my life has indeed been very different in both 
positive and negative ways.  I do not wish to dwell on those 
occurrences, which have been considerable, and which have been 
directed at me.  Suffice it to say that I have a much more real 
and personal appreciation now for what happened to the signers 
of our Declaration of Independence. 
     More important than the attacks against me has been the 
dissolution of the many support groups that have helped us, not 
only in the Tenth Amendment battle, but also the defeat of the 
Conference of States (COS).  This COS broadside attack on our 
Constitution will return in some other form and should, this 
time, be successful.  There are not now enough people who care 
about our Constitution to present a respectable defense. 
     This has come about, partly by design, through the 
deliberate miseducation by the K-12 teaching establishment of 
our Constition and related documents.  This has also come about 
because many patriots are now weary from an almost superhuman 
effort to raise constitutional issues with little or no results 
from our government.  Powerful interests have stolen everything 
in America that was of value.  The ultimate responsibility for 
allowing this theft belongs to the people, who stood idly by in 
an idyllic dream while the values that our Founding Fathers shed 
blood and died for were pilfered from them right under their 
noses. 
     Benjamin Franklin said, "They that can give up essential 
liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither 
liberty nor safety."  The lack of American concern will assure 
that America is probably going to get the future it deserves. 
     I have always strived to tell you the truth, some would 
say, to a fault.  You may rest assured that I will continue to 
do that as long as humanly possible.  As the final chapter 
closes on The Great Experiment, some of us reaffirm the 
admonition that it is dangerous to be right when the government 
around you is wrong. 
                             End

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5437.913FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Sun Jan 26 1997 16:42235
STOP ALL FEDERAL ABUSES NOW!
S.A.F.A.N. Internet Newsletter, No. 256, January 20, 1997

H.R. 186 HANDGUN REGISTRATION ACT
by Michigan Militia Newsletter ([email protected])

[ED. NOTE: Just one quick question, since when does the Feudal (oops,
federal) government TELL the states to pass a law?....Jeff S.]

Handgun Registration Act of 1997 (Introduced in the House)
HR 186 IH
105th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 186

To provide for the mandatory registration of handguns.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 7, 1997

Mr. HASTINGS of Florida introduced the following bill; which was 
referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
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A BILL

To provide for the mandatory registration of handguns.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Handgun Registration Act of 1997'.

SEC. 2. FEDERAL HANDGUN REGISTRATION SYSTEM TO APPLY IN ALL STATES NOT
ESTABLISHING STATE HANDGUN REGISTRATION 
SYSTEM THAT MEETS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS.

(a) IN GENERAL- Beginning 2 years after the date of the enactment 
of this Act, the Federal handgun registration system to be established 
by the Attorney General under section 3(a) and the amendment made 
by section 3(b) shall apply in any State during any period in which the
Attorney General finds, after opportunity for a hearing on the record,
that such State is not complying substantially with the requirements
of subsection (b) of this section.

(b) REQUIREMENTS OF STATE HANDGUN REGISTRATION SYSTEM- 
The requirements of this subsection are as follows:
(1) REGISTRATION REQUIREMENT- State law must require each
individual who owns, possesses, or controls a handgun in the
State to register such handgun--
(A) in the case of handguns owned, possessed, or controlled
on or before the effective date of the State law--
(i) with a State law enforcement agency; and
(ii) within 90 days after such effective date; and
(B) in the case of handguns owned, possessed, or controlled
after such effective date--
(i) with the licensed dealer (as defined in section
921(a)(11) of title 18, United States Code) from whom
such handgun was last purchased; and
(ii) at the time the handgun is first owned, possessed,
or controlled by the individual.
(2) IMPOSITION OF PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS- State law must

impose the following penalties for knowing violation of the 
registration requirement specified in paragraph (1):
(A) NON-SERIOUS VIOLATIONS- In the case of a violation 
which is not a serious violation, the violator shall be 
imprisoned not less than 1 year.
(B) SERIOUS VIOLATIONS- In the case of a violation which is
a serious violation, the violator shall be imprisoned not less

than 12 years.
(3) DEFINITION OF SERIOUS VIOLATION- State law must define a
serious violation of the registration requirement specified in
paragraph (1) to be any violation with respect to which 2 or more
of the following conditions are satisfied:
(A) MULTIPLE UNREGISTERED HANDGUNS- The violation 
consists of the violator possessing, owning, or controlling 2 
or more unregistered handguns.
(B) UNREGISTERED HANDGUN IS OF HIGH CALIBER- The 
caliber of any handgun which is the subject of the violation
is
greater than 0.22.
(C) VIOLATOR HAS PREVIOUS FELONY OR FIREARMS 
CONVICTION- The violator has been previously convicted of a 
felony, or of a violation of any Federal or State law relating

to firearms.
(D) UNREGISTERED HANDGUN READILY ACCESSIBLE TO 
VIOLATOR- Any handgun which is the subject of the violation 
was readily accessible to the violator at the time of the 
violation.
(4) EASILY RETRIEVABLE RECORD OF HANDGUNS- State law 
must require the State to maintain an easily retrievable record 
identifying--
(A) each individual who--
(i) resides, or regularly or frequently appears, in the
State; and
(ii) possesses, owns, or controls a handgun; and
(B) such handgun.

SEC. 3. FEDERAL HANDGUN REGISTRATION SYSTEM.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT- The Attorney General shall establish a Federal
handgun registration system which contains, in an easily retrievable
record, information sufficient to identify--
(1) each resident of each State to which this subsection applies
who owns, possesses, or controls a handgun; and
(2) such handgun.
(b) HANDGUN REGISTRATION REQUIREMENT- Chapter 44 of title 18, 
United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

Sec. 931. Registration of handguns
(a) Each individual who owns, possesses, or controls a handgun in 
any State to which this section applies by reason of section 2(a) of 
the Handgun Registration Act of 1997 shall register such handgun--
(1) in the case of handguns owned, possessed, or controlled on
or before the effective date of this section--
(A) with a Federal, State, or local law enforcement agency
or the licensed dealer, if any, from whom such handgun was
last purchased; and
(B) within 90 days after such effective date; and
(2) in the case of handguns owned, possessed, or controlled
after such effective date--
(A) with the licensed dealer from whom such handgun was
last purchased; and
(B) at the time the handgun is first owned, possessed, or
controlled by the individual.
(b) Whoever knowingly violates subsection (a) shall be fined not 
more than $250,000, imprisoned not less than 15 years, or both. The 
court shall not suspend a sentence of imprisonment imposed for an
offense under this section, and shall not impose a probationary 
sentence for an offense under this section.
(c) As used in subsection (a):
(1) The term `handgun' means a pistol or revolver originally
designed to be fired by the use of a single hand and which is
designed to fire or capable of firing fixed cartridge ammunition,
and any other firearm originally designed to be fired by the use
of a single hand.
(2) The term `State' includes the District of Columbia and the
territories and possessions of the United States.'.
(c) EFFECTIVE DATE- The amendment made by subsection (b) shall 
apply to conduct engaged in 2 or more years after the date of the
enactment of this Act.

SEC. 4. TERMINATION OF CERTAIN FEDERAL ASSISTANCE.
The Attorney General shall order the termination of all assistance
under each of parts D, E, and G of title I of the Omnibus Crime
Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 to each State, and each 
recipient in such State, during any period in which the Federal 
handgun registration system established under section 3(a) of this 
Act applies to such State.

SEC. 5. DEFINITIONS.
As used in this Act:
(1) HANDGUN- The term `handgun' means a pistol or revolver
originally designed to be fired by the use of a single hand and
which is designed to fire or capable of firing fixed cartridge
ammunition, and any other firearm (as defined in section
921(a)(3) of title 18, United States Code) originally designed to
be fired by the use of a single hand.
(2) STATE- The term `State' includes the District of Columbia 
and the territories and possessions of the United States.

PFC Jeff S.
CMRM, 15th Brigade - Kent county
Central Michigan Regional Militia Home Page: http://mmc.cns.net

"...Stage III...would proceed to a point where no state would have the
military power to challenge the progressively stregthened U.N. peace force
...The manufacture of armaments would be prohibited...All other armaments
would be destroyed..." -Department of State publication number 7277

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --- Claire Wolfe
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S.A.F.A.N. Internet Newsletter, No. 255, January 20, 1997

SHERIFFS SUE AGAINST GUN BAN
by Jan Farmer ([email protected])

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Three deputy sheriffs filed a lawsuit Thursday 
to block enforcement of a federal law that prohibits anyone convicted
of domestic violence from carrying a gun. 

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms said that the 
law, which took effect Oct. 1, gives no exemption to the military or 
law officers, for most of whom a gun is a job requirement. In most 
states, crimes of domestic violence are prosecuted as misdemeanors. 

The deputies from Los Angeles County, named as Doe 1, Doe 2 and 
Doe 3, had their guns confiscated and were reassigned to civilian 
duties after being involved in domestic violence incidents, the lawsuit 
said. 

Two officers pleaded no-contest to domestic violence charges and 
the third was convicted of a misdemeanor charge of domestic 
violence. 

The sheriff's department policy dictates that all peace officers must
be able to carry a firearm, according to the lawsuit. 

The new law applies to anyone convicted of a misdemeanor for using 
or attempting to use physical force on an intimate partner or a family 
member. The penalty is up to 10 years in prison and up to $250,000
fine. 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the
system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --- Claire Wolfe
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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SAFAN Internet Newsletters are archived on David Feustel's Page
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5437.914GOALFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Sun Jan 26 1997 16:4242
January 23, 1997

THE GOAL WEB PAGE IS MOVING! Sometime during the next couple of days, the
GOAL web page will be moved.  Our new website will be:
        http://www.goal.org.

Public thanks and the gratitude of all GOAL members are due to C.D. Tavares
for hosting our site for so long.

Would you like to teach a kid to shoot?  Watch a kid shoot an air gun for
the first time?  Well, the Eastern Fishing and Outdoor Exposition will be
held from February 6th to 9th at the Centrum in Worcester.  GOAL is seeking
volunteers to run the air gun range.

Could you donate three or four hours of your time towards this worthy cause?
If so, please send me e-mail, or call me as soon as you receive this
message. (our e-mail address will remain [email protected]).

In the state house news, the committee assignments have been announced.
Some of these will help, and some may make life more interesting.  If your
local paper has announced that your state rep or state senator was given a
committee chairmanship, please drop them a brief note of congratulations.
If your own rep or senator was given a seat on the Public Safety Committee,
drop them a friendly note of congratulations, and thus establish a base of
communications from which to work.  At this point in time, we should not yet
be "pressuring" anyone!

With regard to the Sportsman's Guide not shipping to Massachusetts, we have
heard from GOAL members that they've been told the problem is very specific
to that company.  The Attorney General's office is alleging (I stress this
is all subject to verification) that the Guide sold an air rifle to an ten
year old, who used it to injure someone.  The AG's office received a
complaint, and investigated it.  When asked how they determined a person's
age, the Guide allegedly said they went by the voice.  Given a purported
sale to a ten year old, this is a dumb answer. The AG conveyed the specific
impression that when the Guide comes up with a better policy, sales can
resume.  GOAL has asked Sportsman's Guide for more information, as well as
the AG's office and received nothing from EITHER ONE.  If I am maligning the
Guide by repeating the above story, my apologies, that is not my intent.

Hope to see you on the air gun range at Worcester.
Nancy Snow
5437.915FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Tue Jan 28 1997 17:478
<><><><><><><><>  T h e   V O G O N   N e w s   S e r v i c e  <><><><><><><><>

 Edition : 3730              Tuesday 28-Jan-1997            Circulation :  3753 


    LAWYERS acting for gun enthusiasts are planning a challenge to the
    Firearms Bill, due to become law next month.
5437.916FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Tue Jan 28 1997 17:4912
    
    
    	Just a quick couple of items:
    
    	Goal still needs some volunteers to run the air gun tables at the
    centrum on saturday Feb8th and Sunday Feb9th. Call goal for details or
    send mail to [email protected].
    
    	Senator Jacques has introduced S148. Call GOAL for info..
5437.917FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Sun Feb 02 1997 13:3577
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                              Online Report
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                   F I R E A R M S   C O A L I T I O N
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January 30, 1997                                          Special Report
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A friend sent me a note this afternoon saying that Pop had made the
front page of the New York Times Fax edition.  You'll likely be seeing
more of this story in the general press in the coming days.  CNN, Fox
and CBS will carry the story in the morning.  Wayne has apparently gone
very public.

You've seen the rumors and reports, much of it played out on the Net.
Make up your own mind, but remember this through it all.  Neal Knox has
been at the front of the gun rights movement for over thirty years.
For over twenty years he has badgered, pestered, led, and badgered
again NRA into the gun rights battle when much of its leadership,
including some who have been fairly vocal of late, wanted to make nice
and appease the beast by accepting partial bans and limited
restrictions which would be guaranteed to grow, exactly as they have in
England and Australia.

Here is the current message on the legislative update line.

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January 29 Update

HCI will be rejoicing when they read tomorrow's New York Times judging
by what the reporter told me, NRA Executive Vice President Wayn is
saying or implying that I want his job and that I'm an extremist.  

I might not believe one reporter, but two others have told me
essentially the same thing.  And that's not good for Wayne, me or the
organization.  Truth is, there are a large number of board members who
are pushing to remove Wayne fom office at the Board's meeting next
week.  NRA's financial affairs are a mess.  We've lost about $70 Mil in
assets during his tenure, almost all of it before the present board
became a majority.  

We've been able to maintain a balanced budget for the last couple of
years only because of fundraising miracles.  But the membership is
getting tired of being inundated by begging letters.  I know too much
about the difficulty of being EVP to want the job.  But I'll admit that
a lot of directors have been after me to take it.  And I might have to.

But want it?  Not a chance.  

No matter how this shakes out, there's not really anything for HCI to be
pleased about.  This board is not going to allow any EVP or any ILA
director to let up on the gas.

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5437.918FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Tue Feb 04 1997 16:30115

Case against Oklahoma bomb suspect collapses

by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Sunday Telegraph (London, England) February 2, 1997:

THE government case in the Oklahoma bombing trial, due to open next
month, is disintegrating. It is now quite possible that Tim McVeigh,
the main suspect, will be acquitted.

The latest blow to the prosecution is a report that the FBI crime lab
altered forensic conclusions to accommodate government claims that the
blast, which killed 168 people in the spring of 1995, was caused by a
4,000 lb ammonium nitrate bomb.

The report, by the Justice Department's Inspector General, found that
some lab officials have been pressed to falsify evidence and commit
perjury to support prosecutions. With the FBI crime lab going through
the worst crisis in the history of the Bureau, everything it touches
is now tainted.

But there are deeper problems with the case, the deadliest act of
terrorism ever committed on American soil, one that precipitated a
witch hunt against the militia movement and, by raising the spectre of
Right-wing extremism, arguably helped President Clinton's re-election.

The prosecution has been tying itself in knots from the beginning.
This is chiefly because it insists on a 'lone bomber theory'- - with
another man, Terry Nichols, helping in the background - when the
evidence clearly indicates a more complex conspiracy involving a
terrorist cell.

Last week it became clear that the Justice Department is willing to
let the case collapse rather than risk collateral revelations. On
Thursday the FBI arrested Michael Brescia, the man alleged to be the
mysterious 'John Doe II' seen with McVeigh in the days before the
bombing. Brescia has been named in a private lawsuit by victims of
the blast as a co-conspirator of McVeigh.

But in keeping with the "Alice in Wonderland" character of this
investigation, Brescia was arrested for his alleged role in a series
of bank robberies carried out by a neo-Nazi group called the Aryan
Republican Army. McVeigh is also tied into this ARA cell, and his
sister told the FBI in May 1995 that her brother had been involved in
bank robberies. But the Justice Department does not want to know.

Indeed, it has gone to hazardous lengths to stamp out talk of a
broader bombing conspiracy involving the Aryan Republican Army. On
Wednesday, the day before Brescia's arrest, it announced that John Doe
II - the subject of the massive FBI manhunt in the weeks after the
bombing - had never existed.

The Justice Department stated that Tom Kessinger, a clerk at the Ryder
rental agency where McVeigh allegedly rented the bombing vehicle, was
confused when he helped to produce a artist's sketch of a second man
with McVeigh. This is highly contentious. Mr Kessinger provided the
famous John Doe II sketch immediately after the blast. Almost two
years later he abruptly changes tack and asserts that he muddled John
Doe II with a soldier named Tod Bunting who came into the office on a
different day.

Unfortunately for the prosecution, Mr Kessinger has already given too
many interviews ridiculing the Bunting canard. "He was laughing about
it and said 'I don't know how they came up with that one'," said Glenn
Wilburn, a bombing victim, when he visited Mr Kessinger last year. The
Justice Department has now destroyed Mr Kessinger's credibility, so it
can no longer put him on the stand to identify McVeigh as the man who
rented the Ryder truck. But the prosecution does not have much else
to rely on.

The original FBI statements by the employees at the Ryder rental
agency describe the man supposed to be McVeigh - who used the alias of
Robert Kling - as heavy-set, 5ft 11in, stocky, with a pock-marked
face. This bears no resemblance to the lanky, 6ft 3in, baby-faced
McVeigh. The prosecution, of course, can draw on an army of
witnesses who saw McVeigh with a Ryder truck shortly before the bomb
went off at 9am on April 19 1995. But they all saw him with other
suspects, making a mockery of the claim that McVeigh acted alone.

So it appears that none of these witnesses is going to be called to
testify. Instead, the prosecution is relying on a single man who
thought he might have seen McVeigh getting out of a Ryder truck. Why
is the Justice Department destroying its own case? A clue came last
Tuesday in an Oklahoma newspaper, the McCurtain Daily Gazette, which
has gathered evidence that the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and
Firearms (ATF) was monitoring the bombing conspiracy from the very
start.

According to the Gazette, a paid informant working for the Tulsa
office of the ATF has come forward to admit that she used hidden
cameras to film three members of a neo-Nazi group in Oklahoma
discussing plans to blow up a federal building.

One was Andreas Strassmeir, a former German army officer with ties to
McVeigh. Strassmeir shared a house at the time with Michael Brescia of
the Aryan Republican Army underground. The story helps to explain how
bomb squads could have been seen in downtown Oklahoma hours before the
explosion. It also butresses testimony that McVeigh appeared to be
operating as part of a team on the day of the crime in Oklahoma City.

The only conclusion that one can draw is that the Justice Department
is protecting a federal informant who had penetrated the bombing
conspiracy - probably Strassmeir, but possibly also Brescia - and is
trying to cover up a bungled sting. McVeigh's defence lawyer, Stephen
Jones, says that the American people will never be able to think
of their government in the same way once they learn the full truth
about the Oklahoma bombing. Is he just bluffing?

Copyright Telegraph Group Limited 1997.

Posted here February 3, 1997
Web Page: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
5437.919Oklahoma Bomb Story TonightNETCAD::MCGRATHFri Feb 07 1997 09:4736
    
    
    Oklahoma City Bombing - Story tonight may uncover the ATF knew more
                            about the bombing than they admitted to.
    
    Heard a retired USMC Kernal on a radio program this AM that said
    ABC was suppose to expose that the ATF had a paid female informant
    within a neo-nazi group that warned them of a planned bomb attack
    at some federal building in either the Oklahoma or Tulsa area. 
    
    The people (retired kernal and others) who were working with people
    from 20/20 said they were told that the show would air upto 1 hour
    before the show, but it didn't.  ABC news said they felt uncomfortable
    with the story.  The kernal also stated that he became aware that NBC
    also (surprise) had people working the story, so he contacted NBC and
    they plan on airing the story tonight.  Apparently most of the info
    this retired kernal is claiming has been confirm by (I forgot which)
    government officials. 
    
    The kernal said that there was alot of unusual activity (police and
    ATF bomb squad) on the day of the Oklahoma bombing before the bombing
    took place.  This was reported recently on one of the ABC news
    magazine shows recently as well.  Serveral people witnessed this
    unusual activity.  
    
    In that show people reported that ATF people were told not to report
    to work on the day of the bombing.  There were only 2 (I beleive) ATF 
    people in the building that day.  I know this story has been
    circulating almost since the bombing, but the the ATF/government has
    denied ever warning the ATF employees about a possible bombing.
    
    It'll being interesting to see what is reported/verified tonight...
    
    Roger
5437.920CSC32::J_FELDMANlightwriting in my camera obscuraFri Feb 07 1997 12:3413
    Umm not to be too picky, but...
    
    kernal - Usually used when refering to a seed of corn, but occasionally s/w
    
    kernel - The core of a OS, typically Unix derived, although also used
    in VMS terminology
    
    Colonel - Military rank
    
    I'm sorry if I missed a smiley in your use of Kernal.
    
    jim
5437.921More CDC stats....GENRAL::KILGORELeadership = action, not positionFri Feb 07 1997 12:4247
Gunfire claiming more U.S. youngsters - Murder, suicide rates soaring
Reprinted from the Colorado Springs Gazette Telegraph, dated 07-Feb-1997

Associated Press
ATLANTA -- American youngsters are 12 times more likely to die by gunfire 
than their counterparts in the rest of the industrialized world.

The gun deaths are part of an overall surge in murders and suicides among 
the nation's youth, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said
Thursday.

"Our children are getting killed or killing themselves at higher rates than
any other country,: said Dr. Etienne Krug, a CDC medical epidemiologist.
"No child should die a violent death in the most industrialized country in 
the world."

American children are five times more likely to be killed than those in the
rest of the industrialized world: The homicide rate is 2.57 out of every
100,000 children under 15.  That compares with an overall rate of .51
in the 25 other countries surveyed, the CDC said.

Youngsters in the United States also are twice as likely to commit suicide.
The U.S. rate is .55 out of every 100,000 children, compared with .27 for 
the rest of the world. 

And deaths caused be firearms amount to 1.66 out of every 100,000 children
in the United States, compared with .14 in the other nations.

From 1950 to 1993, murder rates have tripled and suicide rates have more than
doubled among U.S. children under age 15, the CDC said.  In 1950, 0.8 per
100,000 U.S. children under 15 were killed, compared with 2.57 in 1993.  And 
the suicide rate was 0.2 per 100,000 children in 1950, compared with 0.55
per 100,000 in 1993.

The CDC study reflects figures from 1990 to 1995.  Each country surveyed had
more than 1 million people, similar economies and a system that recorded 
death rates.

Gun Owners of American, a pro-gun organization, was skeptical of the CDC's 
findings.

"It's meaningless to compare the U.S. to other countries lumped together like 
that," said John Velleco, a spokesman for the Springfield, Va., group.

"I think there is a problem with our young people with our young people.  It's
a serious problem not tied to the availability of firearms.  They have never 
been more strictly regulated."
5437.922HUH??????MINOTR::BANCROFTFri Feb 07 1997 13:184
    I believe the percentage of people owning guns is decreasing.
    If the number of kids dying from firearms is increasing, is that not a
    statistical proof that the availability of firearms is unrelated to the
    death trend?
5437.923NonsequitorCSC32::HADDOCKPas Fini!Fri Feb 07 1997 13:466
    Firearms were every bit, if not more, available in the 1950's as they
    are now.  If availability of guns is the problem, why wasn't this stuff
    happening then?

    fred();
5437.924CSC32::HADDOCKPas Fini!Fri Feb 07 1997 15:0315
    

    If these people want to look at children dying, they should look
    at drunk drivers.  Every 3-5 years more _children_ are killed by
    drunk drivers than there were American soldiers killed in Vietnam,
    and there  people _trying_ to kill them.  Yet *many* of the
    same people who try to tell us we need gun control will also
    advocate the legalization of drugs which will turn yet another
    hazard loose on our highways.

    I recall way back when an article in Readers Digest that said it
    was safer in Vietnam than on the Pennsylvania Turnpike during the 
    Christmas Holidays.

    fred();
5437.925CSC32::HADDOCKPas Fini!Fri Feb 07 1997 16:337
    

    On the other hand there _is_ a one-to-one correspondence to the rise
    in death rates and the rise in the popularity of computers. %^}
    Hmmmmmmmm.
5437.926bills in the house and senate...yikes!FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Sun Feb 09 1997 07:0979
========================================================
12 . Twelve is Enough Anti-Gunrunning Act (Introduced in the House)
[H.R.12]
26 . To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide that the firearms
prohibitions applicable by reason of a domestic violence misdemeanor
conviction do not apply if the conviction occurred... (Introduced in the
House) [H.R.26]
27 . Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 1997 (Introduced in the House)
[H.R.27]
95 . Private Property Protection Act of 1997 (Introduced in the House)
[H.R.95]
102 . To require the national instant criminal background check system
to be established and used in connection with firearms transfers by
November 28, 1997. (Introduced in the House) [H.R.102]
115 . To prohibit the transfer of a firearm to, and the possession of a
firearm by, a person who is intoxicated. (Introduced in the House)
[H.R.115]
116 . Gun Safety Act (Introduced in the House) [H.R.116]
138 . To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to prohibit
contributions by nonparty multicandidate political committees.
(Introduced in the House) [H.R.138]
147 . Ethnic and Minority Bias Clearinghouse Act of 1997 (Introduced in
the House) [H.R.147]
169 . No Frills Prison Act (Introduced in the House) [H.R.169]
186 . Handgun Registration Act of 1997 (Introduced in the House)
[H.R.186]
187 . Congress 2000 Commission Act (Introduced in the House) [H.R.187]
207 . Hate Group Public Funding Exclusion Act (Introduced in the House)
[H.R.207]
327 . Anti-Retroactive Taxation Act (Introduced in the House) [H.R.327]
345 . To repeal the National Voter Registration Act of 1993. (Introduced
in the House) [H.R.345]
428 . Innocent Owners' Forfeiture Protection Act of 1997 (Introduced in
the House) [H.R.428]
445 . To provide that the firearms prohibitions applicable by reason of
a domestic violence misdemeanor conviction do not apply to government
entities. (Introduced in the House) [H.R.445]
476 . To prohibit the possession or transfer of non-sporting handguns.
(Introduced in the House) [H.R.476]
492 . American Handgun Standards Act of 1997 (Introduced in the House)
[H.R.492]
43 . To throttle criminal use of guns. (Placed in the Senate) [S.43]
59 . Extremely Low Frequency Communication System Termination and
Deficit Reduction Act of 1997 (Introduced in the Senate) [S.59]
70 . American Handgun Standards Act of 1997 (Introduced in the Senate)
[S.70]
92 . Workplace Religious Freedom Act of 1997 (Introduced in the Senate)
[S.92]
101 . Domestic Violence Identification and Referral Act of 1997
(Introduced in the Senate) [S.101]
112 . Law Enforcement Officers Protection Amendment Act of 1997
(Introduced in the Senate) [S.112]
132 . Destructive Ammunition Prohibition Act of 1997 (Introduced in the
Senate) [S.132]
133 . Real Cost of Destructive Ammunition Act (Introduced in the Senate)
[S.133]
134 . Handgun Ammunition Control Act of 1997 (Introduced in the Senate)
[S.134]
135 . Violent Crime Control Act of 1997 (Introduced in the Senate)
[S.135]
136 . Violent Crime Reduction Act of 1997 (Introduced in the Senate)
[S.136]
137 . Real Cost of Handgun Ammunition Act of 1997 (Introduced in the
Senate) [S.137]
171 . To amend title 18, United States Code, to insert a general
provision for criminal attempt. (Introduced in the Senate) [S.171]
191 . To throttle criminal use of guns. (Introduced in the Senate)
[S.191]
206 . To prohibit the application of the Religious Freedom Restoration
Act of 1993, or any amendment made by such Act, to an individual who is
incarcerated in a Federal, State, or local correctional,... (Introduced
in the Senate) [S.206]
213 . To amend section 223 of the Communications Act of 1934 to repeal
amendments on obscene and harassing use of telecommunications facilities
made by the Communications Decency Act of 1996... (Introduced in the
Senate) [S.213]
230 . Freedom From Union Violence Act of 1997 (Introduced in the Senate)
[S.230]
5437.927anti-gun conference in Boston...FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Wed Feb 12 1997 07:2623
    
    
    	Coming to the JFK Library and Museum Feb 23, 1997 (2pm-4pm):
    
    	FROM ARMS RACE TO HUMAN RACE
    	A Conference on Proposals to Control the Global Weapons Trade
    
    	Folks, from the flyer I receive in the mail, this is a gun-control
    freaks wet dream. They even have Ben and Jerry's giving an ice-cream
    reception following the conference (and we all know B&J's stance on gun
    control)! Anyone in the area who can attend this should go and voice a
    pro-gun point of view. I've been to one of these before, and just the
    few words I said at the microphone (they asked for questions at the end
    of the conference) got me comments like "That's interesting...I didn't
    know that" etc (it also got me a lot of boo's, but that's par for
    course). 
    
    	For more info on the conference, call 617-929-4553 and ask for John
    Stewart (at the Kennedy Library). For reservations, call 617-929-4571
    and leave your name, address and day-time phone number. 
    
    
    jim
5437.928FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Sun Feb 16 1997 14:5726
From:	SUBPAC::CRL::"[email protected]" 11-FEB-1997 07:24:11.32
To:	[email protected]
CC:	
Subj:	GOAL MEMBER TACTICS UPDATE

In our last alert, we asked you folks to call  your legislator and ask for a
copy of S.148, the gun ban bill filed by Sen. Jacques and Attorney General
Harshbarger.

Now that you've all got copies of S.148, start calling your legislator once a
week to ask if a hearing has been set.  When you are told of the date, launch
into your spiel (you have time to prepare it NOW) about why you want your
representative or senator to testify against S.148.  

(Common tactics for citizen activists, and they do have an impact.  So do it
even if you think your legislator is anti-gun.  If your legislator is one of
the sponsors of this legislative trash, instead prepare a statement as to why
you are strongly opposed to this bill.  Mention how you will be working with
other folks from the district to get a crowd to go to the hearings.)  

Nancy Snow

P.S.  We've got about two openings each for the two workshops on giving
testimony on February 19 and 22.  RSVP soon if you're planning on going.
5437.929Current bills at the Federal levelPEAKS::OAKEYWed Feb 19 1997 07:5399
Searching on ammunition, guns and firearms, this is the list of bills at the
federal level.  With maybe one or two exceptions, they're all bad.  And even the
"not bad" ones are a mixed bag...

For actual text of bills visit thomas.loc.gov, select bill text for 105th
congress.

(note that some bills appear in multiple lists)


Your search is: ammunition

[S.15]     Youth Violence, Crime, and Drug Abuse Control Act of 1997
[S.112]    Law Enforcement Officers Protection Amendment Act of 1997
[S.132]    Destructive Ammunition Prohibition Act of 1997
[S.133]    Real Cost of Destructive Ammunition Act
[S.134]    Handgun Ammunition Control Act of 1997
[S.135]    Violent Crime Control Act of 1997
[S.136]    Violent Crime Reduction Act of 1997
[S.137]    Real Cost of Handgun Ammunition Act of 1997
[S.262]    To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide for the prospective
           application of certain prohibitions relating to firearms.

[H.R.116]  Gun Safety Act
[H.R.186]  Handgun Registration Act of 1997
[H.R.278]  Balanced Juvenile Justice and Crime Prevention Act of 1997
[H.R.787]  Public Health and Safety Act of 1997
[H.R.788]  Firearms Safety and Violence Prevention Act of 1997


Your search is: gun

[S.1]      Safe and Affordable Schools Act of 1997
[S.15]     Youth Violence, Crime, and Drug Abuse Control Act of 1997
[S.43]     To throttle criminal use of guns.
[S.70]     American Handgun Standards Act of 1997
[S.133]    Real Cost of Destructive Ammunition Act
[S.191]    To throttle criminal use of guns.

[H.R.27]   Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 1997
[H.R.116]  Gun Safety Act
[H.R.278]  Balanced Juvenile Justice and Crime Prevention Act of 1997
[H.R.492]  American Handgun Standards Act of 1997
[H.R.741]  Migratory Bird Treaty Reform Act of 1997
[H.R.787]  Public Health and Safety Act of 1997
[H.R.788]  Firearms Safety and Violence Prevention Act of 1997


Your search is: firearm

[S.3]      Omnibus Crime Control Act of 1997
[S.10]     Violent and Repeat Juvenile Offender Act of 1997
[S.15]     Youth Violence, Crime, and Drug Abuse Control Act of 1997
[S.43]     To throttle criminal use of guns.
[S.54]     Federal Gang Violence Acta
[S.70]     American Handgun Standards Act of 1997a
[S.133]    Real Cost of Destructive Ammunition Acta
[S.135]    Violent Crime Control Act of 1997a
[S.136]    Violent Crime Reduction Act of 1997a
[S.137]    Real Cost of Handgun Ammunition Act of 1997a
[S.148]    Comprehensive Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Prevention Act
[S.168]    To reform criminal procedure, and for other purposes.
[S.191]    To throttle criminal use of guns.a
[S.262]    To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide for the prospective
           application of certain prohibitions relating to firearms.

[H.R.3]    Juvenile Crime Control Act of 1997
[H.R.12]   Twelve is Enough Anti-Gunrunning Act
[H.R.26]   To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide that the firearms
           prohibitions applicable by reason of a domestic violence misdemeanor
           conviction do not apply if the conviction occurred...
[H.R.27]   Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 1997
[H.R.102]  To require the national instant criminal background check system to
           be established and used in connection with firearms transfers by
           November 28, 1997.
[H.R.115]  To prohibit the transfer of a firearm to, and the possession of a
           firearm by, a person who is intoxicated.
[H.R.116]  Gun Safety Act
[H.R.186]  Handgun Registration Act of 1997
[H.R.218]  Community Protection Act of 1997
[H.R.278]  Balanced Juvenile Justice and Crime Prevention Act of 1997
[H.R.339]  To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a national standard
           in accordance with which nonresidents of a State may carry certain
           concealed firearms in the State, and to exempt...
[H.R.424]  To provide for increased mandatory minimum sentences for criminals
           possessing firearms, and for other purposes.
[H.R.445]  To provide that the firearms prohibitions applicable by reason of a
           domestic violence misdemeanor conviction do not apply to government
           entities.
[H.R.450]  Distilled Spirits Tax Payment Simplification Act of 1997
[H.R.454]  Crimes Against Children and Elderly Persons Increased Punishment Act
[H.R.476]  To prohibit the possession or transfer of non-sporting handguns.
[H.R.492]  American Handgun Standards Act of 1997
[H.R.787]  Public Health and Safety Act of 1997
[H.R.788]  Firearms Safety and Violence Prevention Act of 1997

[H.CON.RES.2] Expressing the sense of Congress with respect to the threat to the
           security of American citizens and the United States Government posed
           by armed militia and other paramilitary groups...
5437.930FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Sun Feb 23 1997 18:165
    
    
    	scarey stuff, eh kids? and people wonder why I'm paranoid....
5437.931FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Thu Feb 27 1997 13:09460
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                                 Online Report
                                     to the
                      F I R E A R M S   C O A L I T I O N
                       Box 6537, Silver Spring, MD 20916 
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February 24, 1997                                          Vol. 4, No. 1  
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In this issue:

    Hard Corps Report for February 20, 1997 (abridged)

========================================================================

A note from Chris

You know, I was never comfortable with Pop in the NRA establishment.  
Now that another fight has stirred up, it feels like things are back to 
normal.  

With the unprecedented media blitz coming from current NRA staff and a 
dissident Board minority, I figured I'd better get this out quickly.  
There's much to tell, much more than I'm forwarding to you here.  Pop is 
travelling through the Northwest and hasn't checked in over the past 
couple of days.  One of our supporters who already has his copy of the 
Hard Corps Report scanned it and sent the file to me.  I'll be sending a 
more complete edition once I get the files directly from Dad.  

                           * * * * *

Although it has had comical moments -- not least of which is the full-
page ad near the ballot in the NRA publications -- this fight is 
personally painful for Mom and Dad.  Wayne and especially Tanya are old 
friends.  They have watched each other's families grow and shared joy 
and grief.  This is like a family breakup.  People disagree and go their 
separate ways every day.  They get past it, and sometimes even grow with 
the experience, but it still hurts, and it's still a tragedy.

                           * * * * *

I'm trying to figure out what "The Committee for a Strong And Powerful 
[SAP?] NRA" is trying to accomplish.  If the past 20-odd years has 
proven anything, it's that Neal Knox will not quietly fold up his cards 
and go home.  Look back at any of his writing going all the way back to 
the original Gun Week, and especially in Rifle and Handloader in the 
mid-1970's.  Over that time everything he has said or written can be 
boiled down to this:  The Second Amendment recognizes a fundamental 
human right.  NRA's job is to safeguard that right and never to 
compromise the principle.  If that's an extreme position, so be it.

========================================================================
Chris Knox wrote and is solely responsible for everything above this 
line.
========================================================================

UNPRECEDENTED AD IN NRA PUBS

	An unprecedented ad urging members to "Vote Against" eight NRA 
Board Candidates -- including 1st V.P. Neal Knox and 2nd V.P. Albert C. 
Ross -- was placed near the ballot in the current, election issue of 
NRA's magazines.

	The ad violates NRA election rules because it was not placed until 
about Jan. 31-Feb. 1 -- almost six weeks after the announced political 
advertising deadline That could not have occurred without orders from 
Wayne LaPierre.

	Further, despite the ad's implication, Directors on the "Vote For" 
list support candidates on the "Vote Against" list. They did not give 
their permission for their names to appear.

	Knox has requested that his supporters vote only for the eight 
improperly targeted Nominating Committee candidates:

	Richard Carone, Weldon Clark, Howard Fezell, Fred Griisser, Neal 
Knox, J.O. McFalls, Joe Olson, and Albert Ross of Texas.

	The fewer votes cast on a ballot, the greater the impact of each 
vote


========================================================================


NRA Argument Breaks Into Public View

	NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre's future with the 
organization was the underlying issue in the longest, most-contentious 
Board of Directors meeting in history Feb. 8-9 -- an argument lavishly 
reported by a mainly hostile news media.

	The meeting ended at almost 4 a.m. Feb. 10 without change in the 
leadership, but most believe it will begin anew at the annual meeting in 
Seattle in May -- whether or not LaPierre's supporters succeed in 
defeating both NRA First Vice President Neal Knox and Second Vice 
President Albert Ross in the Board election now underway.

	An ad has been placed in NRA magazines calling for their defeat, 
along with Finance Chairman Richard Carone. Similar ads are reportedly 
being prepared for other gun publications, placed by Directors Sue King, 
Kayne Robinson and Barbara Phillips.

	The internal wrestling match, which has been developing for almost 
a year, broke into the public arena Jan. 30 with a New York Times 
article extensively quoting LaPierre as claiming that his detractors, 
"NRA Directors led by Neal Knox," are "extremists" who would turn NRA 
"into the John Birch Society'' and make it "irrelevant."

	Those "dissident directors" - as LaPierre called them - have been 
attempting to remove LaPierre, or get him to accept a non-management 
role, for almost a year. Knox said it was an attempt to "end NRA's 
financial hemorrhaging" and restore NRA's financial security; LaPierre 
said Knox merely wanted his job.

	On Feb. 3, Knox informed directors that he would not accept the 
E.V.P. post at the February 8-9 meeting even temporarily.

	During open session, LaPierre claimed that the NRA's financial 
health was good, and that it concluded the year on a "balanced budget."

	But he was challenged by Directors who pointed out that about $10 
million of NRA's net cash income for the year came from the "fire sale" 
of memberships, including $750 Life Memberships for as little as $400, 
and Endowment and Benefactor memberships being sold for a fraction of 
the Board-established prices.

	Without that sale of hard and soft assets at distress prices, they 
pointed out, NRA would have ended 1996 several million dollars in the 
red.

	Further, budgets have been balanced in the last three years - 
after three years of devastating deficits - only because of 
contributions of generous NRA members, despite continuing member 
complaints of excessive and costly fundraising mailings.

	In a closed session that lasted almost all night Feb. 9, weary 
Directors were told the complex details of an internal management audit 
directed by Finance Chairman Carone.

	As reported outside executive session, the audit shows not so much 
mismanagement by LaPierre as failure to manage, poor internal controls, 
too much dependence on outside vendors, failure to follow Board policies 
requiring officer approval of agreements involving over $100,000, and 
operating multi-million dollar agreements without written contracts.

	After the New York Times article appeared, Carone authorized Knox 
to report some of the audit's findings, including business consultant 
Dan Avidan's finding that the total decline in NRA assets under LaPierre 
has been more than $85 million.

	LaPierre told the press the management audit was "a hatchet job 
prepared by Neal's henchmen."

	However, discussions of Carone's early findings, and a brief look 
by the Board, caused Directors to change the Bylaws in September to 
remove the NRA Treasurer from LaPierre's control. The Treasurer now 
reports directly to the NRA Board.

	Major newspapers reported that the main objective of the meeting 
was to remove LaPierre by passing a bylaw allowing removal of officers 
by majority vote - instead of the presently required three-quarters 
vote. Several reports also said that Knox and "dissident" directors 
intended to remove President Marion Hammer and ILA Executive Director 
Tanya Metaksa, which Knox denied.

	In a dramatic move early in that lengthy debate, Second Vice 
President Ross pointed out that each of the officers will stand for 
reelection by a simple majority when the Board meets at Seattle. He 
suggested that much public wrangling could be avoided if he and each of 
the officers - including LaPierre - would resign and immediately stand 
for re-election.

	Knox stood and indicated he was willing, but President Hammer 
declared "I have no intention of resigning."

	An overwhelming majority of the Board voted to consider the Bylaws 
Committee report first. After hours of parliamentary maneuvering, 
President Hammer ruled that the officer removal	bylaw change required a 
two-thirds vote to pass. The proposed amendment fell seven votes short 
of passage - though a 39-30 majority supported the change by record 
vote.

	President Hammer ruled a motion for her removal from the chair 
because of possible conflict of interest "out of order;" Legal Counsel 
Stephen Shulman noted that the Bylaws call for the President to preside 
at meetings.

	In contrast, despite the fact that the Bylaws state that they may 
be changed by a simple majority vote, Shulman counseled that the two-
thirds vote was required to change the Bylaws because a New York statute 
that applied only to organizations without members might be held to 
apply to NRA.

	One reason for the long meeting was a lengthy recess the afternoon 
of Feb. 8 during which Directors attempted to mediate the dispute, 
retaining LaPierre in a different NRA role; LaPierre eventually rejected 
the proposal, telling the press "It was never a good-faith offer."

	The New York Times interview which originally kicked the dispute 
into the public eye was supposedly in response to an article by Rolling 
Stone writer Peter Stone in National Journal. The Times article appeared 
to be part of a carefully orchestrated campaign that included heavy 
coverage in the Associated Press, Washington Post, Washington Times and 
Knight-Ridder newspapers, plus Cable Network News and Fox Network News 
just before and during the February Board meetings.

	The lengthy New York Times article said "In an interview at the 
N.R.A.'s headquarters in Fairfax, Va., LaPierre suggested that Mr. Knox 
would marginalize the association into a smaller band of militia-type 
gun devotees whose style would alienate supporters on Capitol Hill and 
ultimately destroy the gun lobby.

	"We don't want to be about training for war in the woods or 
extremism of rhetoric," Mr. LaPierre said. "They represent the fringe 
... I don't intend to stand by and let the N.R.A. be turned into the 
John Birch Society and made irrelevant."

	Knox had declined to respond to the New York Times' allegations as 
to what LaPierre had said about him and other Directors - which were 
read to him verbatim during a telephone interview initiated by the 
reporter Jan. 29.

	However, he responded to calls from reporters the day the story 
came out "in order to defend myself against false accusations." He said 
he did not talk to any reporters after that day, except for appearing on 
the G. Gordon Liddy radio show with LaPierre three days after LaPierre 
had said on the program that Knox had gone to the press first and 
released confidential documents.

	The Jan. 18 National Journal article was one of a series claiming 
- - and hoping for -- NRA's imminent demise due to financial problems. In 
it, Stone cited a third-quarter report from the Treasurer's office which 
showed NRA was $59.8 million in debt.

	Stone has been fed such damaging internal financial documents over 
the last two years and has often quoted former NRA Director Dave 
Edmondson.

	In early January, Stone had called Knox, cited items from 
Edmondson's latest newsletter, and asked if Knox supported the just-
distributed-to-directors proposed NRA Bylaw changing the officer removal 
requirement from a three-quarter vote to a simple majority.

	Knox refused to comment, and accused Stone of "slipping a shiv 
into our ribs at every opportunity," but was quoted saying he might 
support changing "the structure" to agree with the New York laws under 
which NRA is organized.

	Immediately after the call, Knox called Treasurer Wilson Phillips 
advising him of the call and what Stone seemed to be working from. 


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President Calls For Trigger Locks To Slow 'Youth Crime'

	President Bill Clinton Wednesday called for mandatory safety locks 
on handguns, supposedly to prevent household accidents and deter theft.

	Focusing primarily on youth crime during a speech In Boston 
Wednesday, he also called for opening juvenile records to inspection 
when purchasing a gun-but didn't mention that persons
under 21 cannot buy guns from dealers. 

	Clinton wants to expand the authority of federal prosecutors to 
try juveniles accused of violent crimes as adults, but also proposes 
more money for social programs such as "1,000 after-school programs to 
keep kids off the streets."

	Rep. Bill McCollum (R-Fla.), chair of the House subcommittee on 
crime, wants to focus on accountability: "Only 10 percent of all violent 
offenders are placed in detention facilities. Most youthful offenders 
commit many crimes before any meaningful punishment is imposed."

	Rep. McCollum has introduced a bill that would require adult 
prosecution for all juveniles 14 or older who commit federal violent 
crimes or drug trafficking offenses, and optional adult prosecution for 
juveniles 13 or older who commit any other federal felony.

	Congressional Democrats have announced a crime package with few 
anti-gun provisions. It would increase the penalties for possessing or 
using laser sights or body armor during the commission of a crime.

	Senate Republicans, while announcing their crime bill, cited Prof. 
John Lott's research showing reductions in violent crime after states 
enacted right-to-carry legislation.

	The bill, introduced by Sen. Orrin Hatch as S. 3, provides grants 
for concealed carrying training for civilians, supports interstate 
compacts for recognizing state carry licenses, authorizes law 
enforcement officers to carry in other states, and exempts persons 
protected by court orders from firearms waiting periods.

	Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) is pushing her so-called "Junk Gun" 
bill, promising to attempt to attach it to any firearms related 
provision that moves in the Senate. The bill would apply to domestic 
production the arbitrary "point system" that prevents "non-sporting" 
handguns from being imported.

	One reporter asked if her bill didn't discriminate against the 
poor. The millionaire Senator sweetly responded "We don't say we should 
have cheaper cars for poor people."

	The House sponsor is Rep. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), who has also 
introduced a one-gun-per month bill. 


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Texas, Kansas Hold RTC Hearings

	Hearings were held this week in Topeka on a resurrected mandatory-
issuance "right to carry'' license bill, and in Austin on significant 
improvements in Texas' year-old law.

	James Brady testified for Handgun Control Inc.: "The gun lobby 
wants more guns on our streets, and allowing virtually unrestricted 
carrying of loaded, concealed weapons will do just that."

	The Senate committee will not vote for at least two weeks; the 
House panel is expected to vote Tuesday.

	Kansas passed a similar bill through one house last year. The 
stickiest issue may be whether to submit the issue of concealed carry to 
a public vote, which is what Gov. Bill Graves wants.

	Under the bill considered by the Texas Senate Criminal Justice 
Committee, licensees could carry firearms in public buildings, churches, 
hospitals and amusement parks.

	The bill's principal sponsor, Sen. Jerry Patterson (A-Pasadena), 
challenged opponents to cite incidents involving licensed concealed 
handgun carriers that caused danger to the general public.

	In Texas, 116,000 licenses were issued in the law's first year; 
there have been only 57 incidents involving licensed carriers.

	Surprisingly, the usually anti-gun Austin Amencan-Statesman, cited 
the few problem incidents as the "reality why (Sen. Patterson) probably 
will have little trouble getting his 'cleanup' amendments 
passed....(G)iven the sterling record of license holders ... (opponents) 
need to make their case based on facts, not emotion."


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Hearings Set On 'Domestic' Ban

	Hearings are scheduled next week on Rep. Bob Barr's (R-Ga.) bill 
(H.R. 26) to limit the domestic violence gun ban to misdemeanors 
committed after the law went into effect.

	Surprisingly, Sen. Paul Wellstone has introduced a similar bill in 
the Senate.

	Rep. B art Stupak (D-Mich.) has filed a bill that would exempt 
police and the military from the ban.

	NRA-ILA is seeking outright repeal, but is finding few takers due 
to opposition of feminist groups to any change in the law.

	The law has caused an uproar among police departments for many law 
enforcement officers have old domestic violence convictions. The 
Fraternal Order of Police, and other police groups, has filed suit 
against the law, challenging its constitutionality as an after-the-fact 
penalty.

	The FOP's press release said they voted to oppose the Lautenberg 
amendment last summer, but they didn't say a word about it when NRA -and 
Rep. Barr -- were trying to kill the gun ban, or make it less severe.

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food, when even hope is gone, we'll have the rifle.
     John Steinbeck _The Grapes of Wrath_
5437.932FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Tue Mar 18 1997 09:0079
From:	SUBPAC::CRL::"[email protected]" 18-MAR-1997 07:35:36.54
To:	[email protected]
CC:	
Subj:	WHAT'S NEW

Greetings, friends of GOAL.

Much is happening now - it's the busiest time of year, legislatively
speaking. GOAL is tracking approximately 150 bills, which are being spread
out over six committees. To confirm, the three hearings at which most of
these bills will be heard are:

April 9, 10 AM room A-1 of the State House, Joint Committee on Public Safety
May 14, 1 PM, room B-2, Joint Committee on Criminal Justice
June 2, 10 AM, room B-2, Joint Committee on Natural Resources & Agriculture.

The Joint Committee on Public Safety hears generally the bills regarding
licensing and such. For example, GOAL's licensing reform bill, S.1135, will
be heard, as well as a bill toallow cities and towns to ban handguns.

The Joint Committee on Criminal Justice hears bills which primarily deal with
penalties. To the best of our knowledge, the Jacques, Thompson and Weld gun
bans will be on the list for this hearing.

The Joint Committee on Natural Resources and Agriculture hears hunting and
fishing related bills.

WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING.

1) Preparing testimony for your legislator.  Remember, testimony can be
written or spoken, but it should be brief.  If you don't have the time to
read a book at work, then it's safe to assume your legislator doesn't either.


2) Working with other members of your club, preparing to send a delegation to
the State House this spring.  This is where a few can represent many - and
will be dramatically effective.

3) Preparing testimony for the public hearing, if you are able to attend.
Please use the guidelines printed in the March issue of THE MESSAGE. It is
very important to strive to leave a coordinated, professional image.

AND IN THE GOOD NEWS DEPARTMENT
A group of legislators who support civil rights have formed a legislative
caucus. Called the Conservation and Public Safety Caucus, (CAPS) this group
has as its stated purpose:

To serve as a focal point for legislators who believe law abiding citizens of
the commonwealth have a fundamental right to own and use firearms and to
preserve and promote the traditional rights of citizens to hunt and fish;

With educationand public awareness as our primary focus, our goals are: to
safeguard civil rights by preserving the citizens right of lawful firearms
ownership; to 
protect the environment through professional scientificmanagement of the
Commonwealth's wildlife, fisheries and other natural resourcs compatible with
public use; to enhance public safety by leadng a concerted effort to
establish severe penalties for anyne who commits crimes with firearms; 

To develop an understanding of the legal uses of firearms; including
collecting, target shooting, personal protection and the important role
hunting plays in wildlife management;

To inform and educate members and the public by providing forums and seminars
on the  various aspects of our three primary purposes;

To provide information regarding issues of public policy relating to the
goals of the corporation;

To act as a clerainghouse for ideas and information relating to the goals of
the corporation;

To periodically publish the findings of the association as they relate to
both historical and current statistics regarding our primary goals.

The Chairmen of the Caucus are Senator Richard T. Moore and Representative
Ronald Gauch. Please do not bombard them with information.

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5437.933A deviation from the real purpose of GOAL?NPSS::WALTHALLTue Mar 18 1997 11:5943
    
    
    "the commonwealth have a fundamental right to own and use firearms and
    to preserve and promote the traditional rights of citizens to hunt and
    fish;"
    
    AND SELF DEFENSE!! NUMERO UNO!! Omitted from the purpose statement!
    
    Although self defense was mentioned further down in the outline.
    I was not placed with much priority.
    I get the feeling GOAL is whitewashing the Personal Protection
    scenario in order to gain audience in the ANTI-GUN state. I feel
    this is a BIG MISTAKE.
    
    Hunting and Fishing are sports, not rights to self defense. To my
    understanding, they pale in comparison of importance when defending 
    your RKBA. 
    
    Scenario1: We request our constitutional RKBA be upheld so that we may
    	       go out into the woods and murder God's creatures.
    
    	Canned response: Well, we've outlawed hunting in this State and 
    			 therefore no real reason for you to own a gun.
    			I'm sorry but there is abslutely nothing in the
    			US constitution which forbids any state from
    			restricting/prohibiting hunting. 
    
    Scenario2: We request our constitutional RKBA be upheld so that we may
    	       provide protection for our families and country. This is
    		stated in the US constitution.
    
    	Canned response: Well, it is stated in the US constitution that
    		the general public has the RKBA for the purpose of
    		defense of person and property and an unorganized
    		militia. So until we find a loop hole in that clause , 
    		I guess we can't override the US constitution. 
    
    
    	Maybe not stated in elequent terms, but you catch my drift?
    	First things belong first !
    
    -Tom
5437.934Self Defense CoveredNETCAD::MCGRATHWed Mar 19 1997 09:4121
    Tom,
    
    I hear what you are saying as to not being "up front and in the wide
    open" with the self defense clause. But, the stated purpose you quoted
    says "law abiding citizens of the commonwealth have a FUNDAMENTAL 
    RIGHT TO OWN AND USE FIREARMS `AND' to preserve and promote the 
    traditional rights of citizens to hunt and fish;"  (emphasis added).
                                    
    It is presented as a list of items, not a dependency. For example
    you usually don't fish with a firearm, although you could if it were
    legal ;-).  USE to me means legal use of firearms, which self defense
    is just one of many uses, that is, until they make it illegal.
    
    They probably tried to keep it general so not to attract to much
    attention from the wrong crowd... 
    
    My 2 cents.
    
    Roger  (don't be to hard on pols willing to stick there necks out)
5437.935BIGHOG::PERCIVALI&#039;m the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROWed Mar 19 1997 10:3130
                    <<< Note 5437.934 by NETCAD::MCGRATH >>>

>    I hear what you are saying as to not being "up front and in the wide
>    open" with the self defense clause. But, the stated purpose you quoted
>    says "law abiding citizens of the commonwealth have a FUNDAMENTAL 
>    RIGHT TO OWN AND USE FIREARMS `AND' to preserve and promote the 
>    traditional rights of citizens to hunt and fish;"  (emphasis added).
                                    
>    It is presented as a list of items, not a dependency. For example
>    you usually don't fish with a firearm, although you could if it were
>    legal ;-).  USE to me means legal use of firearms, which self defense
>    is just one of many uses, that is, until they make it illegal.
 
Roger,
	Look at all the trouble the following wording has caused.

	"A well regulated Milita, being neccessary to the security of
	a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms,
	shall not be infringed".

	Once you start listing ANY reasons in the same sentence with
	rights, you are asking for trouble.

	A nice straightforward resolution would put a period after the
	word "firearms".

	If they want to include hunting and fishing, make it a seperate
	paragraph.

Jim
5437.936Impact is differntNETCAD::MCGRATHWed Mar 19 1997 13:0419
    Jim,
    
    I agree, the 2nd has led to a lot of confusion for some people.
    In the 2nd they are stating "a" reason, not the only reason, why
    our rights shall not be infringed.  There is a big difference in
    scope between a constitutional amendment and a stated purpose of
    some group of pols (very pro gun pols).  
    
    When I read the stated purpose I simply read it as 2 objectives.
    1) citizens having a FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT to own and use firearms, 
    and 2) to preserve the TRADITIONAL RIGHTS of citizens to hunt and
    fish.  It looks to me that they understand the difference between a
    fundamental right vs a traditional right.  
    
    Again, I think they were careful in their "stated purpose" so to not
    attract to much (negative) attention in the press.
    
    Roger
5437.937Oh Well...EPS::BIONDIGuns, The Teeth of LibertyThu Mar 20 1997 09:1033
    Let me say right off, I don't have any better suggestions to increase
    the effectiveness of our effort as it regards not offending anyone or
    telegraphing any real intentions via the wording in question.
    
    That being said, the language in debate is concessionary, indicitive of
    weakness and willingness to comprimise and shows a fundamental lack of
    direction if the primary purpose of this organization is to protect the
    right of us people to keep and bear arms?
    
    What is the mission statement of a/the gun owners action league?  Maybe
    I'm way off the mark here but this type of wording is characteristic of
    successful subversion tactics from within, at least from the perspective 
    of a purist that does not care to water down his position in consideration
    of the meek at heart.  Some say the NRA conceded in this fashion in regard
    to abandoning those members of the firearm community that have a preference
    to military firearms during the 1980's, which is before my time as I am
    a relative new arrival on this scene.
    
    Concession is a bad habit when you're dealing with core values. 
    Eventually you end up like Bob Dole, who couldn't even win an election
    in a country where the overwhelming majority of the voters think his
    opponent is a dirt bag.  True, Bob Dole had a long and prosperous
    career - and left quite a wide wake of questionable results behind for
    the rest of the country deal with.
    
    Shmuck Shumer and his kind go for the throat every time.  When they
    concede, the line they draw in the sand gets closer to their enemy,
    only to be drawn closer in the future.
    
    I think it's a mistake. (Just in case anyone wonders "where" I'm going
    with this.)
    
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -X
5437.938ASIC::RANDOLPHTom R. N1OOQThu Mar 20 1997 10:5227
I'd have to agree. Pandering to the "we'll let you hunt and target shoot, but
nothing else" crowd will lose us all of our self-defense rights.

The plain truth is, most people have no idea what the 2nd (or any other)
Amendment is for, and have little interest. It's some dead history fact they
had to learn in high school. We're losing our country because nobody knows
what it was REALLY supposed to be about, schools aren't teaching it, and
nobody misses it.

It's very simple really. The founders had just fought a war to throw off
tyrannical, oppressive government. The Amendments were added to help keep the
new Constitutional government from getting like that. They were a club to
beat over the government's head, to say "you can't do this!".

What do kids learn in school? That the 1st protects the right of Nazis to
march; that the 2nd is dead, it was about fighting indians; the 3rd is dead,
nobody knows what it was about; the 4th doesn't apply if we don't feel like
it, just declare some drug emergency; the 5th is what criminals do when they
want to hide their guilt, and all your property belongs to the state, anyway;
and so on...

Contrast with the real purpose of the 2nd Amendment, the one everyone's
afraid to talk about: that you have the right to take back your government by
force, and shoot your oppressors, when they finally get so out of control
that you can no longer live your life in peace. That's what the Amendments
are about. Keeping government in control, forcefully if necessary. You'll
never read it in a public school textbook.
5437.939Wonder if???MINOTR::BANCROFTThu Mar 20 1997 13:074
    Wonder if the Constitution said:
    "Because the moon is made of green cheese, Congressmen and
    representatives are immune from lawsuits"  if there would be any
    arguement about the meaning?  Bet the second phrase would govern?
5437.940PEAKS::OAKEYThu Mar 20 1997 16:3716
When someone is trying to rationalize the 2nd amendment to mean something that
it isn't, try this:

A well educated populace, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
right of the people to keep and read books, shall not be infringed.

Then ask: Does this imply that that you need to be well educated before you can
keep and read books, or does it imply that the ability to keep and read books
will result in a well educated populace?

(of course, we all know it's the latter).

                                  Roak

Ps.  No, I didn't come up with that.  The history behind it is in this file
somewhere...
5437.941Outstanding!!!!!MINOTR::BANCROFTThu Mar 20 1997 16:525
    Gosh!! I LOVE -.1!!!!
    Also discussion of the old phrase "INFRINGED" which is very different
    from "denied".  It means "paws off", "do not even touch the FRINGE of
    this".  That means no !@^%%*&* licenses, laws restricting etc (Like
    Vermont where I hope to go when I die).
5437.942J. Neil Shulman's "Stopping Power"NEWVAX::WHITMANgun control = 5% gun + 95% controlFri Mar 21 1997 09:5615
<A well educated populace, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
<right of the people to keep and read books, shall not be infringed.

   It's located on page 157 of J. Neil Shulman's "Stopping Power". The line is
not footnoted, as is much of his book, so I assume it's an original statement
of Shulman's. He is presenting it to Prof. Roy Copperud for grammatical
analysis and comparing it to the sentence structure of 2nd Amendment... 

   For those wishing to take on the anti-gun establishment and have tons of
material at your disposal, I strongly recommend you get a copy of "Stopping 
Power".  It's not about terminal ballistics, it's about stopping the bureaucrats
from messing with the RKBA...


Al
5437.943Wording is plain enoughNPSS::WALTHALLFri Mar 21 1997 16:0821
    From the Second amendment to the US constitution:
    "right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"
    
    From The American Heritage Dictionary:
    
    infringe (in-frinj')
    verb: in-fringed, infringing, infringes
    1. To break or ignore the terms of; violate.
    2. To trespass; encroach.
    
    
    Looks like all those bureau-crats are dead guilty of #1, big-time!
    
    To bad the NRA /Goal can't file a suit against the government
    or any state which "infringement" can be proved.  with all the millions
    of dollars they collect. It seems it's spelled out plain as can be.
    Any records of the US trying any cases like this?
    
    Tom
5437.944they understand "infringe" it's "people" that boggles themNEWVAX::WHITMANgun control = 5% gun + 95% controlFri Mar 21 1997 16:2917
   The word they seem to have the most trouble with is "people".  In the other
9 "Rights" of the Bill of Rights, "people" means the individual citizen, but 
in the 2nd Amendment they think the word "People" means the "state", as in the
National Guard or State Militia (their interpretation, not mine).

    As far as I know the SCOTUS has not ruled on any 2nd Amendment Case in the
last 50 years and the NRA/GOA/SAF etc are supposedly waiting for a case which
meets the criteria for a SCOTUS hearing (i.e. Federal courts have had mixed
decisions about the constitutionality of a given law.) 

  If this type of thing interests you, you really  get a copy of J. Neil
Shulman's "Stopping Power" book.  It's a bit redundant in places as it is a
collection of papers on the efforts the author, among others, has made to get
anti-gun laws overturned or kept off the books.

Al
5437.945fco reportFABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Sun Mar 23 1997 10:48502
A second PGP signed document follows this one.  It's Neal Knox's
letter to NRA secretary and the board making his "Sherman
Declaration." 

cwk

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                                 Online Report
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March 22, 1997                                            Vol. 4, No. 2
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In this issue:

    Shotgun News Columns

    Letter from Neal Knox to NRA Secretary Jim Land -- Knox not running

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A note from Chris

     Dad and I talked on the phone this afternoon and he chided me for 
not getting this out sooner.  Among the latest developments in the 
current NRA fight is a letter signed by past presidents of NRA which I 
understand quoted me.  It's always nice to know that someone's paying 
attention.  

     Bob Corbin is one of the signatories to the past presidents' 
letter.  His was a disappointing presence, but not altogether 
surprising.  The former Arizona Attorney General was and remains a 
politician and he is sensitive to the direction of the political wind.  
I learned that over ten years ago when he voted to boot Neal from the 
NRA board for opposing, always with the disclaimer that he was speaking 
only for himself, the gutting of the McClure-Volkmer reforms to the 1968 
Gun Control Act.  It is likely that since much of the mismanagement 
being alleged by the Board majority happened on Corbin's watch that he 
doesn't want to acknowledge it, as that would force him to admit that he 
got scammed. 

     It is troubling from a tactical standpoint that Corbin signed the 
letter.  That indicates that Corbin's readings have the "whining team" 
coming out on top.  That could well be true, particularly since there 
are half a dozen or more carefully targeted mailings out there.  
Somebody is spending big money to keep Wayne in the EVP chair.  And all 
indications are that they are using NRA-owned mailing lists, 
particularly the NRA Grassroots list, to do it.  If you receive one of 
these mailings compare the mailing label to any other mail you get from 
NRA.  It might be fun to call NRA and ask them how this political group 
could possibly have gotten your name.  That would also be a good 
question to direct to Colonel R. K. Brown of Soldier of Fortune 
Magazine.

     The overwhelming majority of what I see in the Net's firearms 
community is pro-Neal or at least anti-Wayne.   That's both good and 
bad.  It's good because it indicates that those who can muster enough 
brain power to use a computer have considered the situation and come 
down opposing the current NRA management.  But it's bad because we in 
the Net tend to grow insular and forget that there is a world beyond 
this little screen where people never heard of a newsgroup.  I'd suggest 
printing some of the information you see in the Net and posting it at 
your club or taking copies to a Friends of NRA banquet.

     Finally, there is the issue of who should be EVP if not Wayne.  At 
least one director friendly to Knox has said that given a choice between 
Wayne and nobody would pick Wayne (so much for Neal "controlling" the 
Board).  The best decision right now is to refuse to renew Wayne's 
contract and direct the Board to form a search committee.  The search 
committee could then select a panel of candidates for the board to 
choose from.  

     Knox was the only potential candidate who could challenge LaPierre 
in a head-to-head election.  And, as has been demonstrated, LaPierre and 
the interests behind him are willing to go to war to stay in power.  No 
one else with the stature to beat Wayne is likely to step up if it means 
walking into a media buzz-saw.

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                         Clinton's Quest
                          By NEAL KNOX
     WASHINGTON, D.C. (March 5) -- President Bill Clinton, flanked
by Jim and Sarah Brady and a few state police officers, this
morning unveiled his "gun control" offensive.

     As stated, Clinton's proposal would ban all hunting rifle
ammunition.  He said "any bullet which will cut through a bullet-
proof vest like a hot knife through butter should be outlawed."

     That describes virtually any center-fire rifle bullet.  

     When I asked for clarification of the President's comments,
the White House sent a fact sheet stating that the proposed ban
would "prohibit the manufacture, importation and distribution of
handgun ammunition that can pierce standard bullet-proof vests."

     That poses a problem for more-potent handgun loads, and
raises questions about handloading -- particularly if the bill
requires BATF approval prior to "manufacture."  

     But Bill Clinton has consistently said he wants more than
even that.  And we should pay attention to what he says.

     Also, according to the Associated Press, Clinton signed a
directive requiring "all guns carried by Federal law enforcement
officers be equipped with child-safety locks."  

     That conjures up FBI agents and Border Patrolmen asking
crooks for a time-out while they unlock their triggers.  

     In fact, the Presidential directive merely requires issuance
of a trigger locking device and instructions with every Federally
issued firearm.  It doesn't mandate that they be kept installed
- -- but the legislation Clinton is pushing, his so-called "Anti-
Gang Bill," would require civilians to keep locks on their guns,
making them less-useable for self-defense.  

     Clinton's directives also require proof of 90-day residency
for legal aliens who want to buy a gun.  

     That's in direct response to the unprecedented isolated case
of the Palestinian who killed one person and wounded six on the
Empire State Building observation deck -- with a handgun
purchased after three weeks' residence at a Florida motel.

     Surprisingly, the President said almost nothing about the
bloody Los Angeles bank robbery.  

     The LA authorities are being unusually quiet about the dead
robbers' guns, maybe because police recently caught those two
guys with a trunkful of guns and ammo, including a MAC-90 (the
wood-stocked thumbhole version of the AK-47), disguises and
Kevlar clothing.  A judge ordered them released and everything
returned.

     The AK-47 semi-auto (and the MAC-90) is quite difficult to
convert to full-auto fire, so there's speculation that the gun
used may have been a "live" AK-47 smuggled in from the Vietnam
war.  (Such guns reportedly are common among LA gangs.)

     Clinton broke off the press conference when reporters
started asking questions about whether China was attempting to
influence U.S. foreign policy by contributing to his
administration and the Democratic National Committee.

     It would be ironic if that full-auto AK-47 proved to be one
of the more than 2,000 smuggled into the country last summer by
the Chinese Army-owned manufacturing company whose top officer
was hosted at one of Clinton's White House fundraising coffees
last year.

                           * * * * *

                       Last Chance To Vote
     When highly paid NRA staffers Executive Vice President Wayne
LaPierre and ILA Executive Director Tanya Metaksa appear in ads
urging members to "Vote Against" nine unpaid board members ... 

     When President Marion Hammer (a quasi-staffer whose salary
from Unified Sportsmen of Florida has been paid for 18 years by
an NRA-ILA grant) is also featured in those ads ...

     And when the directors targeted for defeat include both Vice
Presidents Neal Knox and Albert Ross, and the just-resigned
Finance Committee Chairman Rick Carone (whose Management Audit
has found severe financial troubles in NRA) ...

     We've obviously got problems.

     Albert, Rick and I want to clean up the mess that we've
uncovered.  So do the others on the "Vote Against" list:  J.O.
McFalls,  Weldon Clark, Howard Fezell, Fred Griisser, Joe Olson
and Mike Slavonic.

     We'll appreciate your vote -- and the support of any of your
friends who haven't used the ballot in their March NRA magazines.

     The question is whether the NRA will be run by the staff or
the board of directors.  The ballots are good until April 13.  

     I hope you will dig them out.  I want to finish what we've
started.  And some don't want us to.


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                         Clinton Tactics
                          By NEAL KNOX
     WASHINGTON, D.C. (March 10) -- Even anti-gun commentators
are acknowledging that President Bill Clinton is trying to use
his trigger lock proposal, newest armor piercing bullet ban, and
whatever else he can think of to divert attention from his
fundraising scandals -- and the all-too-successful buying of the
White House by Red China.  

     It isn't working.

     Sunday's Washington Post bannered Bob Woodward's report that
Red China appropriated at least $2 million to buy influence with
U.S. politicians through campaign contributions -- and to keep
friends of Communist China in office.

     Both California senators, Barbara Boxer (who is trying to
ban "non-sporting" handguns) and Dianne Feinstein (who gave us
the ban on over-10-shot magazines and so-called "assault
weapons") were warned by the FBI that they were targeted to
receive illegal campaign contributions from China.  

     Yet Sen. Feinstein accepted $12,000 in contributions that
appear to have come from Red China; she has now decided to give
it back.  Sen. Boxer won't talk about her contributions.

     Incredibly, though the FBI warned at least six members of
Congress about the influence-buying scandal, the President is
claiming that the White House wasn't told.  But the FBI is
insisting that it was.

     Red China, which Clinton described in Friday's press
conference as a "former communist power," must have been amazed
by their success.

     Not only have they retained Most Favored Nation trading
status, Clinton personally assisted in leasing the former Long
Beach Naval base to the "People's Army"-owned Chinese Overseas
Shipping Company, COSCO, which smuggled in those 2,000 full-auto
AK-47's last year.

     The guns came in from Norinco and PolyTech, also owned by
the "People's Army."  However, the chairman of PolyTech was
hosted by President at a White House fundraising coffee last
year!  

     All this has nothing to do with gun legislation, but
potentially everything to do with gun legislation, for as Clinton
(and now Vice President Al Gore, who has admitted apparent fund-
raising violations) are tarnished, their ability to influence
Congress to pass more gun laws is severely limited.

                           * * * * *

                        NRA At Crossroads
     If you're a voting member of NRA, you've probably been
besieged with mail describing me as a "radical,"  "destroyer of
NRA" and worse.  Members won't vote for the next Executive Vice
President at Seattle in May, but they're now voting for the Board
of Directors -- which will make the choice.

     Those "Dear Voting Member" mailings -- and I'd like to know
who divulged that list, and who paid for the postage -- contain
reprints of unprecedented ads that ran in the NRA magazines, Gun
Week and Shotgun News urging members to "Vote Against" nine
candidates, including Vice Presidents Neal Knox and Albert Ross,
and Finance Committee Chairman Richard Carone.

     Like Clinton's "gun control" tactics, those diversionary
letters are long on invective and short on facts.  

     The facts are that NRA Executive Vice President Wayne
LaPierre has wasted many millions of NRA's dollars on excessive
membership and fundraising mailings, ineffective public
relations, and much else.  He is determined not to be held
accountable by the board majority -- which has wanted to ease him
out of NRA's management for almost a year.

     Despite what the Clinton-like diversionary ads and letters
claim, I've made no effort to defeat President Marion Hammer, ILA
Director Tanya Metaksa or Secretary Jim Land -- and have told
them so.  

     At least some of NRA's dwindling resources are being used to
propagandize the members.  

     The American Rifleman ad was "sold" to Wayne's supporters
(long after the deadline) for considerably less than NRA's actual
cost to print and mail that page -- about a third the column-inch
price of our Second Amendment Action Committee ad supporting the
Nominating Committee slate.  [After this went to print NRA directors 
learned that the full page ad near the ballot was bought for about 
$8,900, less than half the $20,000 full page rate listed for political 
ads on the rate card.  The Second Amendment Action ad of less than a 
full column cost $6,000.  Rifleman editor Red Bell described the 
discrepancy as "a mistake." -- CK]

     The objective is to remove Albert Ross and me from the board
and thereby the vice presidency, where we are exercising our
authority to limit NRA's expenditures to vendors.  And Wayne's
handlers intend to shut up and shut out critics such as Finance
Chairman Carone, Weldon Clark, Howard Fezell, Fred Griisser, J.O.
McFalls, Prof. Joe Olson and Mike Slavonic.

     Because Wayne's supporters are attempting to divert
attention from his mismanagement to my supposed lust for his job,
I again declare:  I am not a candidate and refuse to accept the
post of E.V.P. 

     If re-elected to the Board, I hope to again be elected First
Vice President.  For, in another year, I would probably be
elected President of NRA -- and that's a huge honor.

     If you, or any of your friends haven't used the ballot in
the March NRA magazines, please dig it out and get it in before
April 13.  Triple the impact of your ballots by voting only for
the nine of us on the "Vote Against" list.
     NRA's future is at stake.

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I have said repeatedly that I didn't want the job of EVP, and that I
had made the mistake of saying I would accept it in order to move WLP
into another spot.

In the last few weeks (just like Clinton raises the phony issue of
triggerlocks to divert attention from his fundraising scandals) some
of you folks have been having great fun with messages and expensive
mailings trashing me (such as Rambo Bob [Brown of Soldier of Fortune -ck]
calling ME a radical) and thereby diverting attention from our need to 
fulfill our fiduciary duties.

Yesterday, at the end of a long meeting of Marion, Albert, Land and me
going over contracts (with Marion on the phone since she was too ill
to travel) I gave each a letter asking Land to advise the Nom
Committee chair that I am not to be considered for EVP, for I won't
take such a nomination from the committee or from the floor.

A copy of that letter is attached, and I've asked Jim to send it to
all directors and candidates.

Now, folks, let's talk about the real issues:  NRA's serious financial
mismanagement, the spending of funds at variance with board policies,
the question of whether NRA Board or staff will direct the
association's affairs, the active campaigning of staffers against
their bosses, etc, etc.

No more diversions or distractions.  Let's get it on.  And may the
Devil take the hindmost.  -- Neal

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                                                  Neal Knox
                                                  P.O. Box 6537
                                                  Silver Spring, MD
                                                  March 15, 1997




Mr. Edward J. Land, Secretary
National Rifle Association
Fairfax, VA                                       BY HAND

Dear Jim,

     Since the obvious purpose of the libelous and slanderous
mail campaign against me is to divert attention from the serious
financial problems facing NRA, I have told friends, the press and
published in my own writings that I am running only for the Board
of Directors, and, if re-elected, hope to be re-elected as an
officer at the annual meeting in Seattle.

     Please advise the Chairman of the Nominating Committee
that
under no circumstances will I accept nomination as Executive Vice
President.  Further, I will not accept nomination from the floor.

     Please send a copy of this letter to all Directors and
nominees to the board.

     I pray that this action will eliminate the Clinton-like
effort to distract attention from the critical issues facing the
NRA.

                             
Yours for the Second Amendment,


Neal Knox



cc: President Marion P. Hammer
    Second V.P. Albert C. Ross



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5437.946BIGHOG::PERCIVALI&#039;m the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROMon Mar 24 1997 09:1121
                    <<< Note 5437.936 by NETCAD::MCGRATH >>>

>    When I read the stated purpose I simply read it as 2 objectives.
>    1) citizens having a FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT to own and use firearms, 
>    and 2) to preserve the TRADITIONAL RIGHTS of citizens to hunt and
>    fish.  It looks to me that they understand the difference between a
>    fundamental right vs a traditional right.  
 
	Just as when I read the 2nd, I have no problem determining was
	was intended. But, unfortunately, the wording is such that
	misinterpretation is not only possible, but likely.

>    Again, I think they were careful in their "stated purpose" so to not
>    attract to much (negative) attention in the press.
 
	I'm sure that this is true. I'm just pointing out the problems
	with that particular wording may cause.

	Those who do not learn from history.........

Jim
5437.947Gun Dealers in VermontEPS::BIONDIGuns, The Teeth of LibertyMon Mar 24 1997 17:1818
    Moderator, please move if this belongs in a better place.
    
                   Gun Dealers in Vermont Decline after Law
    
    		              Associated Press
    
    
    Burlington, VT. - Tougher regulations under the federal Brady law have
    reduced the number of licensed gun dealers in Vermont by 60 percent
    during the past five years, according to a published report.  The
    Burlington Free Press said yesterday that in 1993, there were 1,635
    people or businesses in Vermont with federal gun dealer licenses. 
    Today there are 661.  The decline in the number of licensed gun dealers
    in Vermont mirrors that nationally.  In 1993, there were about 287,000
    licensed gun dealers nationally; the number has declined to about
    124,300 (AP) 
    
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March 23, 1997                                            Vol. 4, No. 2a
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In this issue:

    Shotgun News Column March 20 -- More on NRA fight

    Telephone Updates -- A diary of the Second Amendment movement

         March 10-March 21 

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A Note From Chris
     Dad wanted to get this out quickly.  We're running short on time 
to vote.  If you haven't yet, read this and think about it.  

     I recently got a copy of the past presidents' letter I mentioned
in yesterday's bulletin.  I will be posting that and I expect to get 
a note from Pop soon answering the charges point by point.

     Funny, but I don't see the "whining team" posting any of Neal's 
stuff or pointing to specific examples of lying or extremism
Probably just my genetically extremist mentality expecting to see 
something like that.

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  Chris Knox wrote and is responsible for everything above this line.
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                         Nasty NRA Fight
                          By NEAL KNOX
     WASHINGTON, D.C. (March 20) -- There is no fight in the
halls of Congress so nasty as the one going on within NRA.

     I'm amazed and appalled -- particularly since I'm the main
target.  

     NRA voting members across the country, most of them
legislative activists, got a mailing this week saying "YOU! Can
Stop Neal Knox From Destroying the NRA."

     The flyer called for preserving the Second Amendment -- as
if I didn't.

     Competitors got a mailing this week saying "SAVE NRA
COMPETITIONS!  Neal Knox And His Faction Would Eliminate Support
For Competitive Shooters and Shooting Events."

     I got it from a high-power rifle shooter who said he had
shot with me at Camp Perry last summer, but that he understood
NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre isn't a shooter and
barely knows which end the bullet comes out (and his
understanding is correct).

     According to both mailings, I want to remove Wayne from the
office of E.V.P.   And that's true.   

     The Competitors' flyer says I also want to remove Marion
Hammer; the Second Amendment-focussed flyer adds ILA Director
Tanya Metaksa.  That's not true, and I've told both of them so.

     The photos of all three appear in "Support NRA's Winning
Team" ads near the ballot in the March NRA magazines, plus
Shotgun News and Gun Week.  The ads urge members to "Vote
Against" both the vice presidents -- Albert Ross and me --
Finance Chairman Rick Carone, plus Weldon Clark, Howard Fezell,
Fred Griisser, Gen. J.O. McFalls, Prof. Joe Olson, and, on some
lists, Mike Slavonic (who protested being put on the
Rifleman/Hunter ad's "Vote For" list).

     (If you haven't voted, I urge you to vote for ONLY these
nine before April 13.)

     Despite a mid-December deadline, the NRA magazine staff
didn't get a firm order for that full-page "Winning Team" ad
until Jan. 31 -- the day after the New York Times article in
which LaPierre called me an "extremist" and said "I don't intend
to stand by and let the N.R.A. be turned into the John Birch
Society."

     You know better than that -- and so does Wayne.

     The copy for their ad was received Feb. 5, the day NRA Board
meetings were starting; the insertion order was received Feb. 6;
the magazines were printed Feb. 8 and 9 while Directors were
spending hours trying to negotiate with Wayne -- who knew about
the ad, while they didn't.   

     (But he told the press the Directors weren't negotiating in
good faith!)

     The quarter-page Second Amendment Action ad supporting the
Nominating Committee slate cost us about $6,000.  The full-page
"Winning Team" ad cost Sue King -- or someone -- less than
$9,000.  We were "overcharged by mistake."

     All that is minor compared to the major problems NRA is
facing if Wayne continues as E.V.P.  But the incident of the
magazine ad tells you what we're up against.

     So do all those perfectly targeted expensive mailings.  Who
provided the supposedly secret NRA voting member lists?  Whose
money paid?

     Do you suppose it could be some of the vendors who have been
making huge profits from the NRA?

     If Wayne is no longer E.V.P., some of NRA's vendors are
going to have to go on a diet.

     I suspect we're going to see a lot more mail, and a lot more
ads, and no telling what else by the time the NRA members meet in
Seattle.

     It was in Seattle in 1985 that Wayne (and Marion) opposed my
candidacy for NRA E.V.P.  Tanya Metaksa was my campaign manager. 

     At that meeting the members gave up their right to elect the
E.V.P. -- undoing the Bylaw I introduced at the Cincinnati
meeting in 1977.  So the most Wayne's supporters can do at the
meeting is engineer a big show of member support, hoping to shave
votes from his opponents on the Board.

     I'm not running for E.V.P. this time.  I withdrew in hopes
that the Board would focus on NRA's problems instead of being
distracted by personal attacks on me.

     The leader of those attacks, Director Sue King, who placed
the "Winning Team" ad, is a member of the Finance Committee which
unanimously voted "No Confidence" in Wayne's leadership Dec. 7,
1996.  She vociferously argued that the Board should appoint a
search committee to find a person of stature to select Wayne's
replacement.

     It was a good idea.  But considering Sue's selective memory,
she may not remember saying that.  There were 12 other witnesses.

     At the February Board meeting (despite the NRA Bylaw
allowing amendments by a simple majority) the President ruled a
two-thirds vote was required to allow the E.V.P. to be removed or
suspended by majority vote.  The Bylaw amendment failed --
despite a 39-30 majority.

     That's why Wayne's supporters are saying "Vote against" nine
director candidates.  Given the power of "negative advertising,"
we may lose.

     The 76th Director will be elected from the floor by ALL
members at the May 3 meeting in Seattle.  That Director may be
the deciding vote on whether Wayne LaPierre continues to lead NRA
toward bankruptcy.

     Confused about who's telling you the truth about NRA
matters?  Be there if you possibly can, and ask plenty of hard
questions.  Remember: Someone is lying to you.

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Telephone Updates March 10 to March 15

March 10
     Over the weekend even anti-gun commentators were acknowledging 
that President Bill Clinton was trying to use his trigger lock 
proposal, and other issues to divert attention from his fundraising 
scandals, and the buying of the White House by Red China.

     NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre was on C-Span's
"Reading the News" program with "Public Citizen" President Joan
Claybrook yesterday.  I wish he'd pointed out the news that was not
reported in the Sunday papers -- the fact that in the President's
press conference Friday Clinton referred to Russia and China as
"the two great former communist powers."

     Can you imagine what the press would have said if Ronald
Reagan, Dan Quayle or Bob Dole had said that?

     Considering that yesterday's Washington Post bannered Bob
Woodward's report that Red China had appropriated at least $2
million to buy influence with U.S. politicians through
contributions, and found Clinton easily bought, maybe Clinton is
trying to ease his conscience by calling China a "former communist"
nation.

     The Chinese Communists must have been amazed by how easy it
was to buy the President, the White House and the Democrat National
Committee, and how huge the payoffs have been.  Not only did China
retain Most Favored Nation trading status, the President personally
assisted in turning over the former Long Beach Navy base to that
city, so it could be leased to the huge Chinese Overseas Shipping
Company, COSCO, which smuggled in those 2,000 full-auto AK-47's
last year.

     The guns were owned by Norinco and PolyTech, companies owned
by the Red Chinese Army.  Several Chinese arms company officials
were indicted, but none from the shipping company.  The chairman of
one of those arms companies was hosted by President at a
fundraising coffee in the White House last year.

     Both Sen. Barbara Boxer, who is trying to ban "non-sporting"
handguns, and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who gave us the ban on over-
10-shot magazines and so-called "assault weapons," were targeted by
Red China's influence-buying scheme.  Sen. Feinstein said the FBI
warned her about it, but she nevertheless has now decided to give
back $12,000 in tainted Chinese political contributions.

     Incredibly, though the FBI warned at least six members of
Congress, the White House is claiming they weren't told.  Right.

     During the C-Span debate with LaPierre yesterday, Joan
Claybrook at least had the honesty to say that she wanted to
"eliminate all guns" -- which few of the anti-gun crowd are willing
to admit.

     When Wayne said the solution was to lock up the criminals,
Claybrook said the solution was to "lock up the guns so there
wouldn't be so many criminals."  

                           * * * * *

     One of those who won't admit to his gun-banning objectives,
Rep. Charles Schumer, said during last week's House hearings on the
misdemeanor gun ban that NRA was trying to drive a wedge between
police and victims' rights groups.  Nope, police should have no
more privileges than other Americans; in fact, I don't think they
or other government employees should have exemptions from the
prohibitions on gun ownership for felons.

     By the way, while I want to see Wayne Lapierre doing something
else than NRA EVP, his supporters have claimed it's only because I
want his job.  Not true.  As I've said repeatedly, I'm running for
re-election to the NRA Board and hope to be elected NRA President
at or by next year's annual meeting.  I have no intention of
stepping out of the officer chairs to take a paid staff job even
temporarily.

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March 15
     While fundraising scandals continue to dominate Capitol 
Hill's attention, much is happening in state legislatures.

     Concealed carry reciprocity bills have passed both houses or
at the governor's desk in Utah, Arkansas, and Mississipi.  

     A mandatory "safe storage" bill in Indiana was substituted by
a call for putting the NRA Eddie Eagle safety program into the
schools.

     In Virginia, a bill to extend the term -- while lowering the
cost -- of a concealed carry license is sitting on Gov. George
Allen's desk.

     Problem is:  It contains a requirement for applicants to
submit -- and get back -- fingerprints for an FBI background check. 
The state police are claiming that without fingerprints, the FBI
won't conduct a check, but that issue is in dispute.

                           * * * * *

     One reason for the Clinton Administration ramming through
citizenship papers without the required background check was that
the FBI was taking 60 to 90 days, and sometimes half a year.  They
wanted the citizenship papers granted quickly, in time for the new
citizens -- including those who shouldn't be here -- to vote for
Bill Clinton and Democrats like Loretta Sanchez who edged out Bob
Dornan.

     Despite the 30-day limit on action on Virginia licenses, the
reform bill would allow Clinton and Louie Freeh's FBI to determine
the time to issue concealed carry licenses -- simply by giving
those checks the lowest priority.

                           * * * * *

     About 20 organizations which lobby Congress and have political
action committees, ranging from the Realtors to NRA held a joint
press conference on Capitol Hill yesterday to denounce the McCain-
Feingold Campaign Finance "reform" bill, which would prohibit such
groups from informing their members of of candidates' positions on
their issues.

                           * * * * *

     The problems with Red China being allowed to lease the Long
Beach Naval Station, with Bill Clinton's personal assistance, were
made obvious by yesterday's report that U.S. Customs agents had
seized two truckloads of grenade launchers and full-auto M2
Carbines -- which came in through the Long Beach port.

     Customs isn't talking about who brought them in, but the word
is:  COSCO, the Chinese Army's ships that last summer brought in
2,000 full-auto AK-47's destined for Los Angeles gangs.  The maker
and owner of the AK's was the Red Chinese Army-owned Poly-Tech and
Norinco, whose chairman attended one of the Bill Clinton's
fundraising coffees at the White House last year.

                           * * * * *

     With that going on in suburban Long Beach, the Los Angeles
City Council this week piously banned the manufacture of so-called
Saturday Night Specials, ordered the drafting of tighter
restrictions on gun ownership and prohibited the sale of guns in
residential neighborhoods -- all in flagrant violation of the
state's preemption law.

                           * * * * *

     With rare exception, those most in favor of banning guns are
most opposed to banish criminals to prison.  California's much-
derided three-strikes-you're out law was this week given full
credit by Attorney General Dan Lungren with reducing the crime rate
by 12 percent.

     It's simple: If criminal repeaters are in prison they can't
commit crime.  That's why Floridians are outraged by a judge's
decision to order the release from prison of thousands of hardened
criminals because the rules allowing early release were changed.

                           * * * * *

     This week marked the anniversary of the Dunblane Scotland
kindergarten massacre by sacrificing most of the privately owned
pistols in the United Kingdom.  Who said paganism is dead?

     British target shooters were ordered to turn in all handguns;
those over .22 rimfire will be destroyed.  The .22's supposedly
will be re-registered, then returned to their owners -- who must
keep them forevermore in armories at gun clubs.

                           * * * * *

     To the delight of Sarah Brady and company, the NRA internal
wars are getting even nastier.  I'm the main target of  editorials 
in the New York Times and elsewhere, and of nastygrams from former 
friends on the board -- for some folks don't want reforms on the way 
NRA's Executive Vice President is handling the association's money.

     To try to focus attention on NRA's problems, instead of me, I
have formally informed the NRA Secretary -- as I have repeatedly
stated to the press and in my writings -- that I will not accept
the E.V.P. post.

                           * * * * *

     March 21 update --  Sen. Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey and
Rep. Charles Schumer of Brooklyn have been scurrying around the
Hill support for their proposal to prohibit the purchase of more
than one handgun per month.  

     I suspect we'll be hearing more about it before too long.

     Last week's press conference featuring the swarm of
politically and legislatively active organizations opposing so-
called Campaign Reform seems to have slightly diminished the noise
on the McCain-Feinberg bill.

     With all the diverse groups from all over the political
spectrum opposing the bill, from NRA to NEA to ACLU to Christian
Coalition, it would be hard to find a Congress-type who isn't on
friendly terms -- and didn't receive financial or other help --
from at least one of those outfits.

                           * * * * *

    An Illinois House committee Tuesday advanced legislation that
would allow most residents over 21 to carry concealed handguns. A
short time later, a second House committee advanced a second,
similar measure.

    Both bills now move to the full House, where both sides of the
issue say they can win.

     The Nebraska legislature is expected to consider a similar
carry bill Monday.

     In West Virginia a bill to increase training requirements and
make other unwanted and unnecessary changes to the state's carry
law has passed the Senate and is awaiting action by the House
Judiciary committee.


                           * * * * *

     The bloodiest shirt that anti-gun forces wave against carry
laws is the spectre of two legally armed motorists getting into an
argument at a stoplight and shooting it out.

     It finally has happened -- more than 20 years after the anti-
gunners predicted it would be a regular occurrence in Georgia, and
every other state that has passed such a law.

     But the armed confrontation was between two out-of-uniform Los
Angeles police officers.  

     Just for the record, there are now more legally armed
civilians than there are cops.

                           * * * * *

     Armed robberies of homes are rare in the U.S., even here in
the crime-plagued suburbs of Washington, D.C.  So it's major news
that Montgomery County, Md., homes are being invaded in the wee
hours of the morning, and homeowners awakened by men wearing ski
masks and carrying guns.

     The men speak with a British accent.  That's interesting, for
armed robberies of homes are common in the United Kingdom, where
self-defense guns are rare and just got made rarer.

     Care to bet whether there's a run of gun purchases in the most
anti-gun county in the anti-gun state of Maryland?

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5437.949I just called...it took about 30seconds.FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Tue Mar 25 1997 15:5024
From: "C. D. Tavares" <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:16:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Get counted -- now

Our second-favorite anti-gun newspaper, the Worcester Telegram and
Gazette, is running a phone-in poll today (Tuesday).  The question is:
Do you agree with the decision by Worcester school officials to
suspend a 5-year-old boy for bringing a toy gun to school?

Lots of NO votes would give the editors a reality check -- plus a very
visible black eye, in view of their smarmy editorial of just a few
days ago.

The phone number is (508) 792-9400, extension 1200, then press 2 to
vote NO.

Votes have to be registered by 9 PM.
- --

[email protected]      --If you presume that I speak for my company,
users.aol.com/Tavares/    write now for my special Investors' Packet!
5437.950FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Sun Mar 30 1997 09:45184
From:	SUBPAC::CRL::"[email protected]" 29-MAR-1997 13:03:07.11
To:	Multiple recipients of list <[email protected]>
CC:	
Subj:	Knox response to NRA past presidents

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From: Neal Knox                              
To:  NRA members
Subject: Open Letter

     The widely distributed "Letter From NRA Past Presidents" is
also running as a Gun Week ad and was commercially faxed March 24
to news media around the country.  It says I've been a
"troublemaker" for 20 years and that I've misrepresented NRA's
financial situation "so Knox could take over the reins of NRA."

     I'm the "troublemaker" who tore up the NRA Old Guard's
playhouse at the 1977 annual meeting -- as the one who introduced
each of the "Cincinnati Reforms."   Past Presidents Jim Reinke and
Howard Pollock were on the Board when I was one of the three who
led NRA members in firing all the officers and top staff, and
transferring power to the voting membership to nominate directors
and elect the Executive Vice President.

     I am honored that they've never forgiven me.  

     Pollock was President during the 1985 Seattle meeting, and led
the effort to cause the members to give up their right to change
Bylaws from the floor.  Reinke was President during the 1987
meeting in Reno, and led the effort which caused the membership to
give up their power to elect the E.V.P.

     All four of the signers of that letter voted to remove me from
the Board in 1984 -- not by a three-quarters vote as they claim, or
even a two-thirds vote (March 1984 American Rifleman, p. 50).  

     To put it mildly, these Past Presidents are not unbiased.

     They say I'm trying to take over NRA.  On March 15, before the
"Presidents" Gun Week ad was placed, or the letter faxed to the
news media, I formally notified President Marion Hammer and
Secretary Jim Land that I was not a candidate for E.V.P. 

     Some months ago I told a group of board members who wanted to
remove Wayne LaPierre as E.V.P. that I would reluctantly step out
of the officer chairs to fill that critical job, if there were a
vacancy.  Bear in mind that under normal circumstances I would have
become NRA President in only 1 1/2 years.  

     It was a mistake for me to have made that commitment, for
Wayne went into near-hysterics at the thought of losing that
$190,000 job, plus $7-8,000 per month expense account.  Suddenly it
was a "coup" in which I "wanted" the job, and I became the issue
instead of Wayne's poor management and NRA's financial condition.

     Apparently, the vendors who are feeding so well at NRA's
trough also went into hysterics; some believe they are paying the
huge cost of the professional advertising and mailing campaign to
save Wayne.  Where did they get the lists of "NRA Voting Members"
to whom so many of those letters are addressed.

     As has been reported on the Internet, the Finance Committee,
meeting in Dallas on Dec. 7, after reviewing the 1996 financial
reports cast a unanimous vote of "No Confidence" in Wayne's
leadership.  Director Sue King (a member of the Finance Committee
who subsequently placed the "Support NRA's Winning Team" ad in NRA
publications and Gun Week) has frequently called for the creation
of a search committee to find Wayne's replacement.

     President Marion Hammer promptly declared that Dallas meeting
"illegal," though she, Wayne and other staffers attended. 
(Marion's salary has effectively been paid by NRA-ILA since 1978
from what has become a perpetual grant, presently $100,000, to
Unified Sportsmen of Florida.)

     In the January 30 New York Times Wayne called me an
"extremist" and said "I don't intend to stand by and let the N.R.A.
be turned into the John Birch Society."  Those were low blows, and
insults to the entire Board -- particularly his critics on the
Finance Committee, whom he told the press were "Neal's henchmen."

     Wayne has told the Board he didn't say those things to the
press, that he was quoted out of context and from old speeches. 
But where are his complaint letters to the press?

     At the Winter Board Meetings the following week, a strong 39-
30 majority supported a bylaw that would have allowed Wayne to be
removed by a simple majority instead of three-quarters -- but the
President ruled it required a two-thirds vote to pass (though the
Bylaws say they can be amended by a simple majority).

     That's the reason the Past Presidents make the claim I "was
removed as an NRA Board Member for violating Board policy by a
three-fourths affirmative vote of the full Board of Directors." 
Not true; the vote was 45-24.  And I didn't violate Board policy.

     As a private citizen I had lobbied Congress against the
amendments that gutted the McClure-Volkmer bill.  "No amendments"
WAS board policy, and the then-Director of ILA had assured the
members at the 1983 Phoenix meeting that he opposed those same
amendments -- but he later endorsed them without even informing
Sen. James McClure, who was also angry about the amendments.

     The four Past Presidents who signed the letter voted to expel
me -- though I received no advance notice of the expulsion, and
though NRA precedent (from May 1977) is that only the body which
elected a person can expel him.  Members elected me, not the board.

     The Past Presidents say our auditors and mortgage holder told
them our financial trend is "positive and comforting."  If so, was
Wayne lying when he sent countless desperate fundraising letters
telling members how badly NRA needs cash?
     At the Dallas Finance Committee meeting we were told by the
Treasurer that NRA would have closed 1996 several million in the
red except for last fall's fire sale of $750 Life Memberships for
$400 and $500 -- in violation of board-set rates.  

     Much of that cash has already been SPENT, but those members
must be provided benefits, including receiving their magazines, for
an average 30 years.  That $10 million influx of cash is the only
reason the bar chart in the Past President's letter shows a 1996
increase in NRA's cash and investments.

     When I helped elect Wayne in 1991, NRA's net worth -- what we
have less what we owe, including future commitments to long term
members -- was $12 million.  Today our net worth, or membership
equity, is about $50 million in the hole.  

     Net worth is the measure by which every business (and
personal) balance sheet is judged, but that critical figure was
left out of the Past Presidents' soothing letter.  

     In February, when the Board majority failed to take action on
his warnings of NRA's financial problems, Finance Committee
Chairman Rick Carone (a former Vice President of Chase Manhattan
Bank) resigned. 
  
     Three years ago, then-Finance Committee Chairman Max Goodwin,
who retired as Chief Financial Officer of Coors Brewery, wrote
then-President Corbin:  "There are flaws in the financial reporting
for the corporation. ...  Commitments are being made for large
amounts of money and for multiple years without the approval or
even knowledge of the board or the Finance Committee. ... The
disintegration of the assets of the NRA under current spending
policies have eroded our future viability ... Some action must be
taken to correct this situation."

     No corrective action was taken.  Max resigned.

     Carone's Management Audit has shown that the same problems
still exist -- including tens of millions spent at variance with
board policies, much of it without written contracts.  And we're
called "extremists" because we're trying to correct those problems.

     I don't enjoy washing NRA's dirty linen in public, but it must
be made spotless if NRA is going to have the funds, programs and
members to carry out its critical mission of defending the Second
Amendment in the years to come.

                              Yours for the Second Amendment,



                              Neal Knox
                              1st Vice President, NRA            

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5437.951FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Sun Apr 06 1997 14:4259
From:	SUBPAC::CRL::"[email protected]"  3-APR-1997 13:59:22.65
To:	[email protected]
CC:	
Subj:	SPECIAL ALERT FOR GOAL MEMBERS

On Wednesday, the Committee on the Judiciary held a hearing on H.2508, AN ACT
REGARDING CERTAIN INJURIES FROM FIREARMS.  Filed by Senator Travaglini and
Boston Mayor Thomas Menino, this bill would by default end all firearms sales
in
Massachusetts.  It is not a product safety proposal and has nothing to do
with reducing firearms injuries.   It is a back door attempt to ban guns and
should
be defeated.  Ask your representative to rush you a copy of this insidious
bill (We'll be posting a copy of this bill on our web site within few days).

Most importantly, once you've looked over the bill, GOAL asks that you
contact the  chairmen of the committee on the Judiciary (Senator William R.
Keating and Representative John H. Rogers) as soon as possible to tell them
why this bill should be given an ADVERSE (that is, ought not to pass) report.
You should do this before next Wednesday.

Obviously, if you are calling with your testimony, you don't need to speak to
those persons directly, you can speak to the staff. If sending written
testimony, address it to the attention of the chairmen. Calm and reasoned
responses only - let's be very professional BUT LET'S DO IT.  The supporters
of the bill put on a nice little show and gun owners should put our best foot
forward on this one.

Don't forget that next Wednesday is the annual hearings of the Joint
Committee on Public Safety.  We expect the following bills, which GOAL filed,
will be heard that day.  We would appreciate folks planning to submit written
or oral testimony in SUPPORT of these bills (if you do plan on testifying
send me a quick note to that effect):

S.1135	GOAL's fair licensing bill
S.1136 GOAL's bill on property rights
S.1137 GOAL's bill  to increase the term of the non-resident (temporary)
licenses
S.1138 GOAL's bill to replace lost or stolen licenses
S.1139 GOAL's bill on license reciprocity

You may also wish to prepare testimony AGAINST the following bills:

S.1114, H.1567 and H.2549, which rewrite the FID card statute.
H.544 which would allow cities and towns to enact their own gun laws.
H.3526 and H.3705 which would require handguns to be insured

This is a very busy time of year for GOAL. Not only are we preparing huge
amounts of testimony, we must get our Annual Mailing in the mail. We're
having an envelope stuffing party here this weekend on Sunday afternoon
between 1 and 6 PM. Many volunteers are needed. Bring your favorite CD (we'll
take turns!), your reading
glasses if you wear them and a light heart.

If you can help - give me a quick call at the office by Friday afternoon, and
leave a phone number where I can reach you in case of inclement weather.

Nancy Snow, Executive Secretary
5437.952FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Sun Apr 06 1997 14:4321
From:	SUBPAC::CRL::"[email protected]"  4-APR-1997 18:59:06.86
To:	[email protected], [email protected]
CC:	
Subj:	change of hearing time

As is typical at the State House, when a hearing gets close the jockeying for
the best rooms begins.  The net effect to us is that the Committee on Public
Safety hearing is now at NOON on THIS WEDNESDAY APRIL 9 in GARDNER
AUDITORIUM.

Please be advised that if you plan to stroll into the city at 11 AM you are
likely to find no parking.  GOAL suggests you come earlier than noon time,
and plan to fill in the time by visiting your representative and senator, and
by eating lunch prior to the hearing.

If you think you may testify, please re-read the testimony guidelines printed
in the March issue of The Message.  Let's put forth a very professional and
prepared image!  Thank you.

Nancy Snow, GOAL Executive Secretary
5437.953FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Mon Apr 07 1997 08:31467
From:	SUBPAC::CRL::"[email protected]"  7-APR-1997 04:14:55.63
To:	Multiple recipients of list <[email protected]>
CC:	
Subj:	FCO 4-6-97


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                              Online Report
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April 6, 1997                                              Vol. 4, No. 3
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In this issue:

    Shotgun News Column April 1 -- No joking, this is why Neal was fired

    A response to T.J. Johnston -- T.J. will vote for Wayne over nobody

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A note from Chris

     Wayne LaPierre's fight, apparently with the assistance of NRA 
vendors, to keep his job goes on.  Despite the fact that Neal Knox has 
formally declared that he is not a candidate and will not accept the 
Executive Vice-Presidency, a professionally orchestrated public 
relations campaign making Neal Knox rather than Wayne LaPierre the issue 
continues.  The professional aspects have apparently shown up in the Net 
with a few postings to firearms-oriented newsgroups and mailing lists 
from anti-Neal zealots that no one had seen or heard of before.  And 
I've had a couple of notes show up among the flood of support that I can 
only consider trolls -- a net term meaning a post or email intended 
strictly to provoke a reaction.  

     One note called Harlon Carter's 1982 firing of Neal Knox from the 
Executive Director ILA post "regrettable, but justified."  Odd, Harlon 
never justified it.  He only said it was in the interest of "unity, 
harmony and for the good of the NRA."  I asked my correspondent, who 
said he was a researcher, for a citation of facts and he replied that I 
was being defensive.  

     Now, after fifteen years, Dad can tell why he was fired.  He has 
tapes to prove it.  When I get a copy I will post an audio file to the 
Firearms Coalition web page.

                           * * * * *

     The second item in this issue is Dad's response to an open letter 
from T.J. Johnston.  Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of T.J.'s letter 
as I write this, although I expect to receive one soon.  I will post it 
to the list and place it on the web page as soon as I receive a copy.  
The response contains some important facts, possibly too many -- it's 
pretty long, but it's written for people who read and think.  
Incidentally, it shows that T.J., generally considered a Knox ally, can 
think for himself and that his thinking can run counter to Neal's.  So 
much for Pop "controlling" the board.

                           * * * * *

     Finally, a few words about the list itself.  I have received at 
least one note to the effect that the information in this newsletter is 
often repetitive.  The reason for that is that I often include scripts 
for the Firearms Coalition legislative hotline (1-900-225-3006 $0.89 per 
minute).  Those scripts form the basis for most of Dad's writing over 
the month.  I include them whenever I get them and believe I have at 
least 80% of the scripts used since inception some three years ago.  

     I always run the telephone scripts in chronological order while 
Shotgun News appear columns in reverse chronological order.  This may 
seem strange, but it serves the purpose of putting the most current (and 
presumably most important) columns at the top of the list, while the 
telephone logs have the feel of a diary, which is why I dubbed the 
feature "A Diary of the Gun Rights Movement."

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Chris Knox wrote and is solely responsible for everything above this 
line.  Unless specifically noted otherwise, Neal Knox wrote and is 
solely responsible for everything below this line.
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                  Why Neal Was Fired From ILA 
                          By NEAL KNOX
     WASHINGTON, D.C. (April 1) -- Fifteen years ago this month,
then-Executive Vice President Harlon Carter fired me as the
Executive Director of the NRA Institute.  

     He never told me or the members why; but I knew, yet for the
good of gun owners, could not tell -- until last November when
vindictive Bob Dole was out of the Senate and out of the
Republican leadership.  

     My problems with Dole began in 1979 when NRA-ILA opposed
President Jimmy Carter's appointment to the "Second Highest
Court" of Rep. Abner Mikva -- the leading anti-gunner in the
Congress and the first to call for banning handguns.  

     Republicans wanted him out of the Congress; we knew Carter
intended to move him up to the Supreme Court, but couldn't after
Ronald Reagan won. (Mikva later resigned from the Appeals Court
to become Bill Clinton's White House Counsel.)

     In the middle of the Mikva confirmation fight, Sen. Dole
called Harlon and received assurances that NRA wouldn't use the
Mikva vote against Senators in the next election.  I heard the
tape.  

     Harlon ordered me not to do anything more to block Mikva's
confirmation.  

     After the 1980 election, Director Paul Heath Till heard that
Dole was angry at me for "reneging on a promise."  I had believed
Harlon's promise only extended to Republican senators; we had
used the Mikva vote to help defeat some Democrats (which was one
reason Republicans gained control and Dole became Senate Majority
Leader).

     Judge Till bounced me about it at the NRA Legislative
Committee; Harlon cut off my explanation with a surprisingly
accurate account of his deal with Dole.  I still have the tape. 

     In March 1982, Harlon called me and Wayne LaPierre (then
Director of Federal Division) to his office -- the only time in
51 months at ILA that Harlon asked me to bring one of my staff.

     Harlon told us that many among the 55 Senate co-sponsors of
the McClure-Volkmer "Gun Decontrol Bill" didn't want to actually
vote on it.  That was hardly news to us; for months Strom
Thurmond's Senate Judiciary Committee had been stalling, despite
a formal on-the-record promise of a vote before Christmas 1981.

     Harlon repeated Dole's argument that while we could pass it
in the Senate, House Judiciary Chairman Peter Rodino had said the
bill would be "Dead On Arrival" in the House -- so we were
forcing Senators to cast a vote that would upset the press on a
bill that would never reach President Reagan's desk.

     I reminded Harlon that we intended to use a "discharge
petition" to force the bill out of Rodino's committee (the plan
eventually followed in 1986).

     He wanted to know how much chance of success we thought the
discharge petition would have.  I said "Fifty-fifty."  Wayne said
"Ten percent."  (I could've pinched his head off.)

     Harlon said "Ten percent's not good enough!"

     I went through the roof:  "Do you want us to just quit?"  

     Harlon knew that if he told us to stop pushing the bill
written at my desk three years before -- and planned from my
first week at ILA -- that I would resign and have it out with him
on the floor of the Philadelphia meeting.  Thanks to my 1977
Cincinnati Bylaw, the members still elected the E.V.P.

     Harlon told us we could keep pushing.

     About that time Harlon told me he had selected Dole to be
our Annual Banquet speaker.  When that was announced, Director
Bill Greif began organizing a protest:  asking members to turn
their backs on Sen. Dole.

     I asked Bill not to do it, but he was determined.

     To avoid the embarrassment, Dole sent his wife,
Elizabeth, to be our banquet speaker!

     A week after the Philadelphia meeting Harlon fired me --
because I was determined to force Mr. Dole's Senate to pass
McClure-Volkmer.

     The following week, the Judiciary Committee approved the
McClure-Volkmer bill -- after first approving the Kennedy-Dole
amendment calling for a 7-day waiting period on handgun
purchases.

     Harlon publicly declared that waiting period was "reason
enough" to withdraw support from the bill.  And the Senate never
had to vote on the original bill, which would have left the Gun
Control Act a lifeless shell. 

     And that was Mr. Dole's intention all along.


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An open letter to T.J. Johnston


                                        Neal Knox
                                        March 30, 1997

In Response to Friend T.J.'s Open Letter,

     First, it's refreshing to read something on the net or in
the mail that doesn't eviscerate me with virulent, venomous
invective.  T.J. Johnston had the grace to recognize what I've
done for the good of the cause over the years -- and I appreciate
it.

     I can also appreciate that the "fight between Wayne and
Neal" is a difficult choice for T.J.  But it wouldn't be so
difficult if he didn't see it as a personality clash or a power
play, the way it is being spun by professional spinmeisters. 
That's not what this is about, and I had hoped the real issues
would come into focus by my pulling myself out of the running as
Wayne's replacement.

     It's not just me who is concerned about where we're headed. 
There's far more than a simple majority of Directors, who are
nervous enough about NRA's finances, and concerned enough about
Wayne LaPierre's deliberate disregard for board directives and
rudimentary business procedures -- and his careless handling of
millions of NRA members' dollars -- that they are worried about
the liabilities to themselves if they fail to exercise their
fiduciary duties.

     No matter how this plays out, those of us who have been
trying to blow the whistle on Wayne's mismanagement have
inoculated ourselves from the NRA members' lawsuits that may very
well come.  Admittedly, some of us should have acted in 1994 when
Finance Committee Chairman Max Goodwin warned us what was
happening; I didn't heed that warning because I erroneously
believed that the charges were merely political -- promulgated by
Tom Washington and Jim Porter.  Come to think of it, I was told
that by Wayne and some of the same vendors who are now telling
the Board that the current accusations against Wayne are merely
political.

     Even then I realized that those efforts weren't purely
political.  When the Board caucus decisively rejected Porter's
resolution to eviscerate the Board, and prevent mainly
legislative activists from being able to serve because of
expense-paid work on behalf of state and local organizations, I
told Wayne after Porter withdrew it, before we left the dais at
the next break:  "No longer will financial problems be raised for
political reasons; from now on, financial issues will be raised
for the purpose of fixing the problems."   Wayne had no response.

     At issue now, as T.J. recognizes, is the future of NRA.  We
can't continue down the financial path that Wayne has been
leading us.

     Frankly, I doubt that Wayne is any more venerated than it
was once said I was, when Harlon fired me as Exec. Direc. of ILA 
- --  not for "extremism" as the New York Times and Washington Post
gleefully repeated Wayne's words last month, but for upsetting
Bob Dole, by attempting to require him and other Republicans to
uphold their pledge to vote on McClure-Volkmer (which was co-
sponsored by 55 of the 100 Senators).  But that's another story;
I can tell it now that last November's election is behind us,
after avoiding the question of why I was fired for 15 years.  

     Point is:  NRA will survive the loss of any personality.

     If we aren't in serious financial shape, why did Wayne say,
as he did with the press present in the open Feb. meeting, that
if he's not the head of NRA, in six months we'd be bankrupt?  
Are we teetering so near the edge of insolvency that Wayne
confirmed the views of Finance Chairman Rick Carone (former vice
president of Chase Manhattan, whose job was to analyze
businesses' financial health).   If not, how does Wayne account
for his statement that if his airplane fell out of the sky, or
some oncoming speeder jumped the center median into his Jeep,
that NRA would be six months from bankruptcy?

     But there are things other than financial that T.J. hasn't
considered.  For one thing, what CEO could survive if, in an
effort to save his job, he trashed the 1st v.p. by calling him
the most damaging word possible:  "extremist?"   Or if he trashed
the majority of the Board by saying that we wanted to turn NRA
into a Birch Society?  Or that the Finance Committee members who
were critical of his management (saying precisely the same things
that the previous resigned Finance Chair had said) were merely
"Neal's henchmen."

     The idea of splitting the E.V.P. role into management and
Public Relations isn't new.  While we were gathered for the
emergency Executive Committee meeting last June, some of us
pointed out that Wayne had eliminated the (non-bylaw) position of
Chief of Staff, who nominally directed the huge expenditures for
PR, membership promotion and retention, and NRA's incessant
fundraising.  (Wayne actually ran those functions, but had turned
those crucial operations over to the vendors who were well-paid
for the work which THEY decided should be done.)    

     Wayne had also fired the Executive Director of General
Operations, who, according to the Bylaws, is responsible for all
operations except ILA.  We had prepared a resolution calling for
the Chief of Staff's duties to go to the E.D.-G.O. and creating a
search committee to find a chief operating officer to carry out
those functions.

     Wayne wouldn't hear of it.  Our only option would have been
to suspend him at the meeting, which would have required the
three-quarter vote ridiculously demanded by the present Bylaws. 
If we had had that three-quarters (it would have been close) it
would have caused the present unseemly uproar right in the middle
of the primary election season.  Further, we would've had the
fight over permanently removing Wayne at the September BOD
meeting, less than two months before the general election.  

     Some directors, including Sue King, were angry with me for
arguing against taking action against Wayne because of the
outside political impact.  (Yes, you heard me right; Sue, who
allowed her name to be put on the ad demanding salvation of Wayne
and the "Winning Team," wanted to remove him last June.  Further,
she is a member of the Finance Committee, which, as has been
reported on the Internet -- but not leaked by me or with my
foreknowledge or assent -- unanimously voted No Confidence in
Wayne last Dec. 7.)

     T.J.'s supposition that the BOD would have restored the 3/4
vote for suspension of an officer after removing Wayne is 
nonsense.  I was elected an officer by simple majority; I serve
at the pleasure of those who elected me.  If a simple majority
wants to remove me, so be it.  Second V.P. Albert Ross made the
point at the February Board meeting that we would all be standing
for reelection by majority vote in 90 days, and that we could
save a lot of rancorous debate if each of the officers would
resign at that time and immediately stand for reelection.  I
indicated my willingness, but President Marion Hammer said she
had no intention of resigning.  Wayne said nothing.

     If Friend T.J. were truly so enamored of our Bylaws, he
would have noted that they specifically state that the Bylaws may
be amended by a Majority Vote (Article XV, Sec. 1). 
Nevertheless, Marion ruled that a 2/3rd vote was required to
amend the Bylaw, based on a highly debatable opinion from
Outside Counsel Steve Shulman, who cited a section of New York
law that made such a requirement for stockholder organizations. 
NRA is a membership organization.  T.J. voted for 2/3rds; and he
voted among the 39-30 minority against changing the 3/4 bylaw. 
The 39 who wanted the change were a majority, but not a super-
majority.

     Further, if T.J. will study our Bylaws he will note that the
E.V.P. "shall conduct the affairs of the Association in
accordance with the programs and policies established by the
Board," so a bifurcation of responsibilities probably wouldn't be
legal [particularly since Wayne has demonstrably ignored Board
policies such as requiring officer approval of large contracts]
unless a majority of the members approved of a Bylaw change by
mail ballot.  In my view, that wouldn't be proper even if legal,
for if separate power centers are created in NRA, then we'll have
perpetual conflict -- just as we once had between the E.V.P. and
the Treasurer, who the Board elected and allowed to mete out
money to the E.V.P., effectively controlling his operations.  (I
had precisely that problem while Executive Director of ILA, when
the Treasurer attempted to use the power of the purse to control my
legislative and political operations.)

     As for the notion of having a search committee find a
management person to either take over the E.V.P.'s duties, or
(illegally) share those duties, that's ludicrous.  No substantial
person would accept such a non-post knowing that he would be
merely volunteering for a no-holds-barred, ear-biting, eye-
gouging and reputation-trashing battle with Wayne and those loyal
to Wayne (or his contracts).

     So, Friend T.J., if you want to find a qualified person to
run NRA's affairs, you'll first need to get Wayne to agree to
move into some position other than E.V.P. so he may continue to
sign fundraisers and do PR (which is what some of us quietly
attempted to get him to do for the past year, without success). 
Then you will indeed need to vote for "Nobody" for E.V.P.,
leaving the job open for E.D.-G.O. Craig Sandler to handle until
you find someone.  


Neal Knox

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5437.954FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Tue Apr 08 1997 08:197
    
    
    	If anyone receives the Worcester Telegram and Gazette, check out
    saturday's editorial section. You will find a few paragraphs from myself
    entered there. Reads well I think...:)
5437.955WT Is Anti-Gun...WMOIS::GIROUARD_CTue Apr 08 1997 08:337
    Just for the record, I get at least 1 call every two months from the
    WT soliciting delivery.
    
    I always tell them I am not interested due to their general bias
    on gun control, thank them for calling, then hang up.
    
    Chip
5437.956FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Tue Apr 08 1997 13:185
    
    
    	I'm fighting them from the inside.....:)
5437.957what does this mean for us? Anything????FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Sun Apr 13 1997 10:2421
From:	SUBPAC::CRL::"[email protected]" 11-APR-1997 14:06:48.52
To:	[email protected], [email protected]
CC:	
Subj:	regulations to be rescinded? 

As a public service, GOAL is posting the following notice, as printed in THE
MASSACHUSETTS REGISTER.

"The Department of Public Safety is hereby rescinding 520 CMR 7.00 "The Sale
of Ammunition, and the Sale, Rental or Lease, and the Possession and Carrying
of Firearms, Shotguns, Rifles and Machine Guns."  Pursuant to M.G. L. C.140,
sections 121 to 131H amended by St. 1996, Chp 151, sections 300 to 336 the
jurisdiction for firearms has been transferred from the Department of Public
Safety to the Criminal System History Board.  The Department of Public Safety
has scheduled a pubic hearing on April 18 1997 at 10:00 AM at the McCormack
Building, 1 Ashburton Place, Conference Room #3, Boston MA 02108.  All
comments, data views or arguments must be submitted in writing to Steven P.
Osgood, Esq, at the Department of Public Safety no later than April 17 1997.
Please send comments to the Department of Public Safety, 1 Ashburton Place,
Room 1301, Boston MA 02108."
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                                 Online Report
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                      F I R E A R M S   C O A L I T I O N
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April 11, 1997                                             Vol. 4, No. 4
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In this issue:

     Shotgun News Column April 8 -- Why Neal got kicked off the Board

     Telephone Updates -- A diary of the Second Amendment movement

         April 5

     T.J.'s Open Letter -- As promised last week.

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A Note From Chris

     Dad revealed in his last Shotgun News column why Harlon Carter 
fired him from his post as Executive Director of ILA, breaking a fifteen 
year silence.  This column covers his ejection from the NRA Board of 
Directors a year later.  Note in both of these columns the references to 
verifiable facts, something conspicuously absent from other quarters.

     Also in this issue is a copy of T.J. Johnston's open letter 
explaining his position in voting against the bylaws changes which I 
promised to send with this issue.  Dad's reply, which explains much 
about that. All of this information is in the Firearms Coalition web page 
at <http://www.crl.com/~cknox/fco.html>.

                           * * * * *

     My feelings about the First and the Second Amendments are 
consistent.  I believe that in the long run, the good drives out the 
bad.  I believe that the best solution to misuse of arms is the proper 
use of arms, by both constituted authority and by the People who do the 
constituting.  Likewise, I believe that the best solution to "bad" 
speech -- here meaning speech I don't like, whether it be slanted news 
coverage, violent or pornographic entertainment, malicious political 
campaigns, or a statement I simply don't agree with -- is more speech.  
And more thought.  

     In that spirit I am including in this issue a copy of T.J. 
Johnston's open letter which Dad replied to in the last issue.  It is in 
that same spirit that I posted the NRA past presidents' letter in the 
web page, as well as posting a link to Bob Brown's frothy editorial on 
Soldier of Fortune's web page.  It's at 
<http://www.sofmag.com/urgent.html>, in case you're interested.

     I encourage you to read all of these sources and I challenge Bob 
Brown, Jim Rienke, Bob Corbin and Dick Reilly, Sue King, Tanya and Wayne 
to circulate what Neal has to say as widely as I've circulated what they 
have to say.  

                           * * * * *

     In case anyone had forgotten, there is still a bubbling controversy 
over firearms, the Second Amendment and the security of a free state.  
For information on that I've included a script of the Firearms Coalition 
Legislative Hotline.

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                     Neal's Board Expulsion
                          By NEAL KNOX
     WASHINGTON, D.C. (April 8) -- When the New York Times
devotes an editorial to trashing me, I'm honored.  

     On Feb. 3 they huffed that "Mr. Knox has been a dark force
in the N.R.A. since his days as the group's chief lobbyist. He
was kicked out of that job in 1982 and expelled from the board in
1984 for 'extremism.'"

     As reported in my last column, "extremism" had nothing to do
with my firing -- not unless it is "extremist" to insist that
Sen. Bob Dole and the other 54 co-sponsors of the McClure-Volkmer
"Gun Decontrol Act" bring it to a vote and pass it, as they had
promised to do.

     Similarly my removal from the Board in 1984 had nothing to
do with "extremism."  

     But it was again tied to my all-out effort to pass the
McClure-Volkmer bill, which would have cut the heart out of the
Gun Control Act of 1968.  I helped write the McClure bill in
1979, and began the groundwork -- by "Declaring War on BATF's GCA
'68 enforcement tactics -- the week after I became ILA Executive
Director in January 1978.

     The week after I was fired, the Senate Judiciary Committee
finally approved the long-stalled McClure-Volkmer bill -- but
only after adding the Kennedy-Dole amendment calling for a 7-day
waiting period on handgun purchases (a concept Dole had been
quietly pushing for a couple of years).

     Instead of working to remove the Dole-Kennedy amendment, my
successor at ILA, J. Warren Cassidy, happily quit supporting
McClure-Volkmer.  The relieved Senators who didn't want to vote
on it -- led by Dole -- were pleased.

     But NRA members wouldn't back off.  They demanded that NRA
and Congress move the bill.

     In early 1983 Cassidy took two copies of the bill to Sen.
Jim McClure, showing the amendments wanted by the "Reagan
Administration" -- BATF and the Justice Department.  Sen. McClure
gave me one of his copies and asked me to give him a report of
their effect.

     To my astonishment, the modifications weren't to the
original version, but to the committee-passed version -- which
had the Dole-Kennedy waiting period.

     The Administration/BATF amendments gutted the bill.  For
instance, the heart of GCA '68 was its prohibition of virtually
all interstate transfers.  The original M-V eliminated those
prohibitions unless the laws of either state restricted such
transfers.  
     I was reared on both sides of the Red River dividing Texas
and Oklahoma, and had families in each; neither state restricted
my purchase of any type gun, but under GCA '68 my uncle couldn't
give me a gun without both of us committing a Federal felony.

     One of the dozen BATF amendments to M-V would have retained
the total prohibition on interstate handgun transfers and allowed
long gun purchases only from dealers.

     At the 1983 members' meeting in Phoenix, Cassidy claimed he
hadn't asked Sen. McClure to support those amendments -- but
that's not what Sen. McClure told me.  

     Harlon did his best to get the Board not to seat me, saying
"We must excise this cancer."  But he couldn't get the board to
agree.

     That fall, Cassidy got Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) to support
the BATF amendments.  Sen. McClure was furious.

     I prepared written testimony -- as a private citizen --
opposing the amendments and presented it to the Senate Judiciary,
which wouldn't let me testify.  And I lobbied friends on the
Hill, some of whom I had known for 15 years, and probably none of
whom knew I was on the NRA Board.

     When I blasted Cassidy in Gun Week for supporting the
amendments, he denied it, citing weasel-worded committee
testimony.  Only long after, when the hearing report came out,
did I learn that Sen. Thurmond had demanded -- and got -- a clear
written statement in support of the amendments.

     Late on the night before the January 1984 Board Meeting, I
was informally told that there would be an effort to expel me for
opposing the position taken by ILA.  I received no official
notice.  The Board voted 45-24 (just short of two-thirds; not the
three-quarter vote claimed in a recently distributed letter from
four past presidents, all of whom voted against me).

     Actually, in opposing any amendments to McClure-Volkmer, I
was lobbying in support of long-established Board policy.  

     Board members asked me if I would promise not to do it
again; I replied that I could not make such a promise because I
couldn't know if NRA were going to at some future time act
against the best interests of the members.

     If that be "extremism," make the most of it.


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     April 5 update -- Congress will be back this week, but I doubt
that we're going to see them get off high-center, despite Newt
Gingrich's greater strength as a result of his China trip -- where
he came off looking far better than Vice President Al Gore.

     Sarah Brady held a Washington press conference pushing for
Clinton's trigger lock bill this past week, and they've been making
similar efforts around the country.  They keep talking about how
that's going to save the lives of "children killed by gunfire" --
defined as anyone under 20, most of whom are gang members and drug
dealers.  Only a relative handful of young children could
conceivably be protected by a trigger lock bill, and those few are
mainly from the families who are least likely to comply with any
such law.

                           * * * * *

     Both houses in the Kansas legislature have passed a shall-
issue concealed carry handgun bill.  It has been sent to a
conference committee where differences are expected to be ironed
out without much difficulty.  The problem is whether Gov. Graves
will veto it; long-time personal friend Bob Hodgdon was quoted in
Kansas newspapers that the chances of the governor's approval are
"no better than 50-50."

                           * * * * *

     In Georgia, Gov. Zell Miller signed a bill further improving
the state's two decades-old mandatory issuance concealed carry law,
clarifying more areas where licensees may lawfully carry.

                           * * * * *

     The Iowa senate this week will consider a bill to allow deer
hunting with handguns, my favorite big game hunting, next to turkey
with handguns.  The Texas spring turkey season opened this morning
with bright sunshine after days of rain, and I couldn't be there.

                           * * * * *

     New Jersey anti-gunners are having a fit because two guns on
the banned "assault weapon" list have been stricken -- simply
because the manufacturers removed the bayonet lug from the AR-15
and the flash suppressor from the Springfield M1A.  

     The opponents are screaming those are only cosmetic changes,
and they're right -- which is what we told them when they passed
these cosmetic laws in the first place.

                           * * * * *

     The acclaimed documentary "Waco:  The Rules of Engagement,"
previously shown only at the Sundance Festival in January and a San
Francisco theater, is beginning to get around the country.  It will
be in Dallas April 21, Austin May 2-8, then Houston.

     According to experts, the  FLIR -- Forward Looking InfraRed --
tapes taken from BATF's plane overhead at the time of the fire
shows full-auto firing INTO the Davidian church/residence from
outside.  That FLIR tape came out of the trial records; I saw it
two years ago.  I know nothing about FLIR, but the flashes looked
exactly like the fireball and trace from small arms fire at night.

                           * * * * *

     Washington, D.C. Council Chairman David Clarke died this week
of cancer.  As a young Council member in 1976 he pushed through
D.C.'s handgun ban, which has helped push the District's crime rate
through the roof -- and didn't prevent D.C. from becoming the
murder capitol of the world.

     Can you imagine the kind of laws the anti-gunners would be
pushing in D.C. if their gun ban didn't exist -- but they've
already got it all, and it did no good, and probably did much harm.

                           * * * * *

     The NRA meetings are shaping up to be another media circus.
Vultures from the establishment press will be at Seattle in force,
hoping to pick the bones of NRA's carcass after a destructive
internal fight.  They'll be disappointed, for NRA isn't going to go
away.

     I got a call this week from NRA-hater Jack Anderson's office
this week, wanting an interview.  That's a switch.  Anderson's
byline appeared on a trash-NRA book in which I was a major figure. 
Never once did the writer of the book interview me; they didn't
want their piece of fiction cluttered up with facts.

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T.J. Johnston's Open Letter
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Neal Knox took strong issue with this letter from Board member T.J. 
Johnston.  His reply appears in the previous issue which can be found at 
<http://www/crl.com/cknox/fc/fc4-5-97>.  It appears here in the interest 
providing an opportunity for thorough discussion.
========================================================================

March 22, 1997

     An open letter to NRA Board Members, NRA Members and Second 
Amendment Supporters,

     First, let me state that as a member of the NRA Board, the current 
conflict between Wayne LaPierre and Neal Knox is one of the most painful 
experiences in my adult life. I Consider both individuals personal 
friends in our fight for our freedoms. Wayne and I Have spent many days 
together, working to maximize the efforts of the NRA here in California. 
Neal Knox was the initial driving force to help us organize our 
grassroots effort here in California. He has spent many nights here in 
Southern California, on my couch in my home guiding Cathy and I in our 
struggle.

     This struggle between them is a personal disaster as well as 
dangerous to our Association.  It's like having to pick sides and choose 
between your left lung and your right. Without both we are greatly 
diminished. We need BOTH to be effective.

     This issue is personally painful. Because I care deeply about both 
individuals, at the last board meeting, I had to base my decisions on 
objective criteria. This was extremely difficult. I labored with putting 
friendship aside and judging what would be best for our Association.

     It is my concern that our board maintains order by conducting 
business within a structure framed by our bylaws. Within these bylaws 
are the means to remove a standing officer with, or without cause. If 
there was indeed a crisis (of which I'm still not convinced even after 
three hours of listening to a financial specialist brought in by Finance 
Chair Rick Carone) there is an orderly system of bringing charges 
against Mr. LaPierre, and taking steps to conscientiously and 
deliberatively removing him from office.

     At the last Board meeting, because of my votes, I was allied with 
the Wayne LaPierre camp. This is not entirely accurate. In my opinion, 
it is improper to disregard these bylaws, or run roughshod over them, or 
replace them with other bylaws which momentarily suit our whim. The 
proposed bylaw changes were being promulgated by a lynch mob. Their only 
purpose was to remove Mr. LaPierre as quickly and as summarily as 
possible. I question why those individuals did not pursue the obvious 
course of action of following our currently established procedure.

     It is my opinion that we must carefully consider any change to our 
bylaws.  That is why we have such a stringent system of sending them out 
weeks in advance and having a committee of lawyers (!) review them and 
make recommendations to the Board. Bylaws need to be seriously 
considered from the perspective of what benefits or liabilities they 
will create in the future of our Association.

     I did not vote for Wayne LaPierre. I voted against the casual and 
careless disregard of our bylaws. You must agree, that if we had allowed 
the bylaws to be changed to allow the instantaneous elimination of Mr. 
LaPierre, as soon as we elected Neal or someone else in current favor, 
at the next meeting, we would have changed the bylaws back to protect 
them. I am adamant when I say this is not appropriate. Neal Knox taught 
me that we should view all legislation as if the laws were to be used by 
an enemy against us. Having just recently rid our Association of the 
"Old Guard" and their Management Committee(remember that?), this 
certainly holds true of our bylaws.

     Wayne LaPierre must stand for reelection this May. This will be the 
appropriate time to evaluate his efforts and decide if we want him to 
continue as our Executive Vice President. I promise you that if we are 
presented with a better candidate for EVP, I will support that candidate 
without hesitation. We don't need a lynch mob. We need a clear choice of 
candidates.

     Without a clear choice of viable candidates, I am beginning to 
appreciate an idea being promoted by Russ Howard to bifurcate the 
responsibilities of the EVP.

     The majority of our members revere Mr. LaPierre, whether we think 
he is doing a good job or not. This is a critical statement. If the 
majority of our members want to keep LaPierre and the Board fires him, 
we will have a tremendous credibility problem for which we will have to 
answer. If the Board determines that Mr. LaPierre must go, they need to 
deal with this problem NOW, FIRST, before they take any action!

     "None of the above" is NOT a responsible choice when the Board is 
to elect the EVP. It will be imprudent to leave the position vacant. If 
we are serious about removing Mr. LaPierre from the position, then we 
should be engaged in an aggressive search for a replacement right now. 
We must not decapitate our Association without having a suitable 
replacement waiting in the wings. I suspect that I am not alone when I 
say: if given the choice of Mr. LaPierre or nobody, I will vote for 
LaPierre.

     It is my opinion that the Association would greatly benefit by 
retaining Mr. LaPierre as a fund raiser and as a spokesman for our issue 
(until or unless we can promote a better individual to carry our image 
to our members and to the public). If we are going to make this change, 
we need to begin a search for a credible manager who could assume the 
position of General Manager to run the daily business of the 
Association. Perhaps Mr. LaPierre will not stand for this change. If the 
Board wants to establish this new structure, he will have to make a 
decision.

     Let me clearly state that I do NOT oppose Mr. Knox. I'm sorry that 
he has decided to remove himself from consideration as a candidate for 
EVP at the upcoming meeting in May. I would consider current Board 
member Al Rubega for the position. What is important is that we have an 
excellent slate of candidates from whom to choose. That would make good 
business sense. It would be appropriate, and in accordance with our 
bylaws.

     I hope you appreciate my thinking and will not dismiss me for being 
in one camp versus another. I am not an apologist for Wayne or Neal. I 
want to support only those actions that will help our cause and better 
our Association. I take my position as a member of the Board very 
seriously, and am forced to put aside friendships and past loyalties to 
consider what is best for the future of the Association and, ultimately, 
for our country. Because I Consider the NRA to be the last bastion of 
defense for our much-endangered liberties, I think you will agree with 
my reasoning.

     Thank you for the opportunity to respond,

T.J. Johnston
NRA Board of Directors




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Telephone log For April 12 -- Early election returns
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     Preliminary and incomplete returns from the NRA election are  
trickling in.  Secretary Jim Land obtained a preliminary count from  
the CPA firm handling the election late yesterday, but is only telling  
individual candidates how they did.

     To the dismay of some folks, I was elected to a three year term, 
2nd Vice President Albert Ross is "in the gray area between a one and 
two year term" with about 10,000 votes yet to be counted.

     Other directors on the unprecedented "Vote Against" list in the  
"Support the Winning Team" ad in the Rifleman, Hunter and elsewhere are  
not doing well.  Those who I have heard from are "on the bubble" with  
their election in doubt. 

     Mike Slavonic, who was on the "Vote For" list in the American  
Rifleman and Hunter "Winning Team" ad, but was on the"Vote Against" list  
when the ad appeared in other publications, has been reelected. 

     Negative campaigns work.  

     This one is the nastiest in NRA history, and I'm sure we'll see 
more of it at the annual meeting in Seattle. 

     Yesterday I saw an advance copy of the American Spectator article  
about the NRA ruckus.  The Spectator is afraid the internal fight  
may make it harder to keep the Republicans in nominal control of the  
Congress.  I'm the bad boy in that long, rather boring article by  
David Brock.  That doesn't surprise me when Mother Jones, Rolling Stone 
or even the mainstream media is writing about NRA, but I had expected  
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5437.960reply .957 on Mass Gen LawNPSS::WALTHALLMon Apr 14 1997 09:4210
    reply .957
    
    What exacty is the Criminal System History Board in Massachusetts ??
    
    When I recieved my renewal for LTC last week it came from the
    Mass State Police, Div. of Public Safety... So does that mean the 
    Mass State Police is removed as well ??
    
    -Tom
5437.961FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Mon Apr 14 1997 14:265
    
    
    	Time to call GOAL, me thinks.
5437.962FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Tue Apr 15 1997 17:1532
From:	SUBPAC::CRL::"[email protected]" 15-APR-1997 15:25:24.01
To:	[email protected], [email protected]
CC:	
Subj:	TWO IMPORTANT EVENTS!  (spread the word)

REFUSE TO BE A VICTIM SEMINAR TO BE HELD THIS SATURDAY APRIL 19 FROM 10 AM TO
1 PM AT tOM FOOLERY'S RESTAURANT IN WESTBORO.  
    How often have you walked to your car, arms loaded with groceries
withkeys buried in your purse, thinking about everything but what's going on
around you?  Awareness is key to avoiding criminal attack.  The NRA's Refuse
to Be a Victim seminar helps you determine your safety options and have a
personal safety plan in place BEFORE it is needed.
     The Refuse to be a Victim program helps women develop a personal safety
plan for home, car and personal security.  
      This free workshop is sponsored by GOAL.  CALL 800-861-1166 FOR MORE
INFORMATION.

and...

On Saturday, May 3, GOAL will be hosting a workshop and strategy session on
creating testimony at the Braintree Rifle & Pistol Club.  If you plan on
attending the May 14 hearing before the Joint Committee on Criminal Justice
and think you might talk, this workshop would be a "must"!  We'll not only
review how the legislature works, and how to make your testimony have more
impact; we'll also share ideas to ensure we're not carbon copies of each
other.

To reserve your space at this workshop, call the GOAL office at 508-393-533.
 All we'll need is your name and phone number (in case of crazy New England
weather).

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5437.963FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Sun Apr 20 1997 16:04218

            1997: Waco Questions Congress Refuses to Answer
 
by Carol Moore, member, Committee for Waco
Justice and author "The Davidian Massacre"
[email protected]  202/635-3739
 
     In early 1995 many Americans held high hopes that 
Republican-promised "Waco hearings" would finally expose federal agents' 
crimes against the Davidians and the government coverup of those crimes. 
The House of Representatives held 10 days of "Waco" hearings in the 
summer of 1995.  The Senate held two days of such hearings in the fall. 
The hearings did reveal over-aggressiveness and duplicity by agents and 
officials of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) and the 
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).  However, Congress' final 
conclusion followed the party line--the Davidians ambushed BATF and 
committed mass suicide.  Questions of crimes by these agents were rarely 
raised and evidence of such, when alleged or chanced upon, discounted. 
     Nevertheless, citizens continue to produce new books and films 
cataloguing compelling evidence that hyped-up BATF agents shot first as 
David Koresh opened the front door, even as other agents shot from 
helicopters, killing four Davidians.  BATF left ample bullet hole 
evidence in the walls and roofs of the building of this indiscriminate 
and illegal gunfire.  The Davidians repeatedly told negotiators that when 
this evidence was discovered Davidians would be freed and federal agents 
would be prosecuted. Fearing they were right, and angry at the deaths of 
four BATF agents, FBI Hostage Rescue Team agents deliberately destroyed 
evidence of BATF gunfire outside the building.  And they repeatedly 
sabotaged negotiations and pushed for a gas and tank attack that 
could--and ultimately did--destroy the building and its incriminating 
evidence.
     Many Americans believe the U.S. Congress cares more about protecting 
these federal agents from prosecution than about protecting the American 
people from such agents. If Congress is to reassure the American people 
this is not true, it must re-open hearings on Waco to answer the 
questions below and/or call for a special prosecutor.  
For action call or fax:
House Judiciary Committee    202/225-3951   fax-225-7682
Senate Judiciary Committee   202/224-5225   fax-224-9102

 
QUESTIONS ABOUT FEBRUARY 28, 1997
1.   House investigators determined that "someone" at BATF lied to the 
military about the Davidians being involved with drugs in order to get 
U.S. Army Special Forces and other military aid.  Instead of pulling out 
the stops to discover who lied, investigators only whined about the fact 
that military staff at Fort Bragg were not made available to them or had 
been pre-interviewed.
 
2.   One of the chief raid planners was William Buford, Special Agent in 
Charge of Little Rock BATF and a personal acquaintance of President Bill 
Clinton.  The day after the February 28 raid, then-Deputy Treasury 
Secretary Roger Altman visited the injured Buford in a Texas hospital.  
Congress never asked about this visit or whether Clinton or his staff had 
any foreknowledge of the raid.
 
3.   During the House hearings it was revealed that imprisoned Davidian 
Brad Branch, who was standing behind the unarmed David Koresh at the 
front door, claims he saw an agent shoot a dog as other agents rushed the 
door.  He claims one approaching agent panicked and started shooting at 
Koresh, wounding him and mortally wounding his father- in-law.  Why did 
congressional investigators merely whine in their report that the 
Treasury Department did not let it interview agents before the hearings? 
Why not grill them now?
 
4.   Why doesn't Congress methodologically investigate the copious 
forensic and eyewitness evidence that BATF agents in the Blackhawk 
helicopter shot at Davidians?  Instead it quiescently accepts the denials 
of two BATF agents and 3 National Guard helicopter pilots--who themselves 
may have shot or covered up others' shooting. Such evidence includes: 
BATF discussions of using helicopter gunfire as a diversion; an agent in 
the helicopter admitting agents were armed and permitted to fire in 
self-defense; the government's allegations Davidians fired at 
helicopters, which might have triggered such a "self-defense" response, 
even before such gunfire began; BATF video from inside the helicopter 
showing the closeness of the approach to the building and containing 
sounds of close-up gunfire; television video showing bullets entering the 
roof from an almost perpendicular angle; two Davidians' complaints to 911 
officers during the raid about such firing; thirteen Davidian survivors' 
testimony about it; Davidian attorneys and a prosecution witness' 
testimony about bullet hole evidence in the highest roof; autopsy 
evidence indicating four Davidians probably were killed from gunfire from 
above.
 
5.   Why didn't Congress do a systematic investigation of the "second 
shooting" of Davidian Michael Schroeder as he approached Mount Carmel 
several hours after the raid?  There is evidence that BATF agents, angry 
at BATF agents' deaths, gave scant warning as they opened fire on 
Schroeder, who died of three wounds to the back and two to the head. 
Troubling evidence like shooting heard after the incident and Schroeder's 
missing cap suggests that agents then approached and "finished off" the 
wounded man with shots to the head.  The FBI would not allow Texas 
Rangers to investigate the area for ten days after the shooting, making 
it impossible to check for footprints.
 
QUESTIONS ABOUT SABOTAGE OF NEGOTIATIONS
6.   Why didn't Congress grill prosecutors and federal agents about the 
moving and destruction of automobiles, trucks and a trailer during the 
siege? Why hasn't Congress asked FBI siege commander Jeff Jamar and chief 
negotiator Byron Sage--as well as Hostage Rescue Team commander Richard 
Rogers--about their reactions to the Davidians' allegations that bullet 
hole evidence in the building would lead to Davidian acquittals and 
convictions of agents?  These questions must be asked in light of Jamar 
and Sage's conflicting or dubious explanations to Congress about why they 
withheld from their superiors and Attorney General Janet Reno important 
information which would have scuttled the gas and tank attack that they 
supported.
 
7.   During the Senate hearings FBI Waco negotiator Cliff Van Zandt 
confirmed an allegation by a Davidian hearing witness: every time 
Davidians cooperated with the FBI by releasing people, the Hostage Rescue 
Team would punish them with acts like destruction of property, turning 
off electricity, or escalated harassment.  Why hasn't Congress grilled 
Hostage Rescue Team commander Richard Rogers and all Hostage Rescue Team 
members about this phenomena? 
 
QUESTIONS ABOUT APRIL 19, 1993
8.   While FBI agents claim Davidians threw their phone out the window on 
April 19, Davidians deny this, asserting a tank cut the phone wire before 
the gas attack began.  This made it impossible for Davidians to negotiate 
a safe surrender.  The same agents claim Davidians immediately fired on 
the tanks, which Davidians also deny.  This gunfire allegation gave the 
FBI the excuse to speed up the gas attack and quickly proceed to the 
demolition of the building--and an excuse not to fix the phones.  Such 
actions and lies by the agents ensured the building would be destroyed.  
They also ensured Davidians would be terrified of exiting and being shot, 
even as they hung a banner asking that their phones be fixed.  Why 
doesn't Congress take every FBI agent at the scene aside and grill each 
about the events of that day?
 
9.   During the House hearing Representative Howard Coble complained that 
the U.S. Army had not yet provided to the Committee any evidence of 
alleged damage to army tanks from Davidian gunfire on April 19.  One 
staffer  told me they did finally receive that material from the army.  
However,  if so, it was not included in the transcripts, as requested by 
Mr. Coble.  Is the House investigating committee hiding evidence that 
there was no Davidian gunfire?
 
10.  Before Attorney General Janet Reno left the FBI Operations Center in 
Washington on April 19, around 11:00 a.m., she had a telephone 
conversation with Bill Clinton, one she mentioned during the 1993 House 
hearings.  Incredibly, in neither these nor 1995 hearings did 
representatives question her about the content of this conversation.  
Reno left soon after and put then-Associate Attorney General Webster 
Hubbell in charge.  Representatives did not ask her questions about what 
communication she had with Hubbell in the next two hours that passed 
before the fire.  Nor have they asked if wealthy Waco businessman Bernard 
Rappaport--who paid Hubbell $18,000 after he resigned in disgrace from 
the Justice Department--might have had any input into Justice Department 
or White House decisions on Waco.  Nor have they asked Lisa Foster why 
one reason she believed her husband, White House counsel Vince Foster, 
killed himself was he felt guilty about "Waco." 
  
11.  Will Congress finally dispute the FBI and Justice Department claims 
that nearly two dozen Davidians were on the first floor but refused to 
leave the building?  Davidians claim these men and women were trapped on 
the second floor because the tanks destroyed the stairwells.
 
12.  Former U.S. Army and BATF fire investigator Richard Sherrow 
testified at the hearings.  He later  signed an affidavit for the 
Davidian civil suits stating that there is a strong probability that an 
FBI tank started at least one fire on the second floor that, fed by 
strong winds through long hallways, quickly spread to the rest of the 
building.  He notes suggestive evidence that FBI agents shot an 
incendiary "flash bang" into the gymnasium after the first fire started.  
Will Congress finally take this evidence seriously--even it means the 
U.S. government may lose 1.5 billion dollars in lawsuits? 
 
13.  Why did several FBI tanks continue ploughing burning, bullet-pocked 
walls and other evidence into the fire for at least ten minutes towards 
the end of the fire, as seen on television videos?  (During the hearings 
one FBI tank driver volunteered a dubious answer, a possible attempt to 
pre-empt such a question.) 
 
14.  The controversial new film "Waco: The Rules of  Engagement" provides 
evidence relevant to most of the questions above.  It also presents 
infrared video experts who opine that there is clear infrared video 
evidence that FBI agents shot at Mount Carmel, perhaps at escaping 
Davidians, during the fire.  Will Congress take these allegations 
seriously enough to grill FBI agents about this?
 
QUESTIONS ABOUT PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT IN BRANCH DAVIDIAN TRIAL
15.  Confidential memoranda and handwritten notes revealed during the 
1995 House Waco hearings exposed the fact that the Treasury Department, 
under pressure from the Justice Department and Webster Hubbell,  halted 
its post-February 28 raid shooting review because agents' stories "did 
not add up." In fact, interviewers were generating "exculpatory" material 
that could help the Davidian defendants at trial.  Hubbell promised to 
produce his "Waco files" to Congress, but did not do so. Does Congress 
condone this unconstitutional Justice Department practice of squelching 
evidence that might help defendants?
 
16.  The Department of Justice would not allow a company chosen by House 
investigators to independently test the Davidians' guns to see if they 
really are illegal machine guns, or if the FBI was falsely claiming 
this.  It then claimed the Department could not afford to independently 
test them.  Considering recent findings of faulty FBI lab work, and even 
evidence of fabrication of evidence, this FBI allegation, which has led 
to 140 year sentences for six Davidians, must be independently verified. 
 
     Former Los Angeles police officer Mark Fuhrman said on his infamous 
tapes, "cops" don't need to conspire together to protect each other when 
they commit crimes, they know what to do.  The same goes for federal 
agents, even from competing agencies like BATF and FBI.  These are "cover 
your butt" conspiracies. However, a truly committed Congress can break 
through law enforcement's vow of silence. Otherwise "Waco" will remain a 
prime symbol of the crumbling legitimacy of the federal government. 
 
END 
[email protected]
5437.964Eugene Stoner...dead at 74.FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Tue Apr 29 1997 11:3446
Eugene Stoner
Created M-16 Rifle

By HOLCOMB B. NOBLE
N.Y. Times News Service

Eugene M. Stoner, who developed America's classic assault rifle, the M-16,
while tinkering at night in his garage, died on Thursday at his home in
Palm City, Fla. He was 74.

The cause of death was cancer, a spokesman for the family said.

While he had no formal engineering education,. Stoner was widely regarded
as one of the world's foremost designers of and experts on small arms.

His M-16 has been standard issue for the U.S. armed forces since 1963, and
he designed a wide range of weapons of various types and calibers as well.

He held some 100 patents on his inventions, and was a co-founder of. Ares
Inc., a weapons research and development company based in Port Clinton,
Ohio.

He was the company's chairman until he sold his interest 10 years ago and
moved to Florida.

There he continued working on small-arms design and development at the
Knight Manufacturing Co., completing a longer-range, .50-caliber
semiautomatic rifle within the last few months.

His role in the development of the M-16 was stmliar to that ot Mikhail
Kalashnikov in designing the Soviet counterpart, the AK47. Kalashnikov also
had no training when, as a soldier recovering from wounds suffered in World
War II, he pieced together gun parts to build a first version.

The two inventors of the world's leading small, rapid-fire assault weapons,
met at several conferences, became friends and cornpared notes.

"Mikhail, your gun is more reliable than mine," Stoner told Kalashnikov one
time. "It is simpler."

But Stoner said that while the AK47 was less complicated and tended to
break down less often, the M-16 was lighter and fired more accurately.
5437.965Quick, call the Brady Bunch, another crusade!BSS::PROCTOR_RPC....Politically CorruptTue Apr 29 1997 12:2514
    > Eugene Stoner
    > Created M-16 Rifle
    > Eugene M. Stoner, who developed America's classic assault rifle, the
    > M-16,while tinkering at night in his garage, died on Thursday at his 
    > home inPalm City, Fla. He was 74.
    
    > The cause of death was cancer, a spokesman for the family said.
    
    Can I assume Sarah Brady and company will start a "Cancer Control, Inc"
    group to help stamp out cancer?
    
    nah.... not likely (I am sorry to hear that Eugene has passed on...)
    *8(
5437.966ALFSS2::HENDERSON_JTue Apr 29 1997 12:498
    
     Anti-cancer legislation?
    
     Gee I wonder if the disease will respect this proposal?
    
     Joe
5437.967NEWVAX::WHITMANgun control = 5% gun + 95% controlTue Apr 29 1997 14:018
<     Anti-cancer legislation?
<    
<     Gee I wonder if the disease will respect this proposal?

   'bout as much as criminals respect gun control I suspect;-)

Al
5437.968BIGHOG::PERCIVALI&#039;m the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROTue Apr 29 1997 14:068
         <<< Note 5437.964 by FABSIX::J_SADIN "Freedom isn't free." >>>
>                        -< Eugene Stoner...dead at 74. >-

	I'm sorry to hear this. I actually met him once (my Uncle was
	a Design Engineer at Ares). A very unassuming regular kind of
	guy.

Jim
5437.969on Knox's loss to Heston...FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Tue May 06 1997 08:03148
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May 3

The annual meeting of members lurched to an uncertain start and rumbled
to an unexpected finish on Saturday.  Charges and counter-charges flew,
but the meeting choked on its first substantive resolution.

The big surprise of the day was the candidacy of Charlton Heston as the
76th director.  Betting is that Heston will run against Knox as First 
Vice-President in tomorrow's Board meeting.  

Heston's candidacy was unusual, at best, as his nomination and the
nomination of some 150 other candidates whose names appeared on the
ballot, consisted of a write-in vote during the mail election.  In
previous elections the 76th director ballot carried the names of those
who did not make it in the mail vote.

The lines were drawn early in the meeting as First Vice-President Neal
Knox gave his report.  Noting the few floor mikes, the dim houselights
and the overpowering spotlight (which he asked brought down), Knox
warned the assembled members to beware the public relations campaign
being waged for them.  "This is your meeting," Knox said.  "Don't let
anyone take it away from you."

Wayne LaPierre focused on his twenty years in the rhetorical trenches
and the "wounds" he had received in fighting for the Second Amendment.
He questioned the integrity of "armchair generals in clean uniforms"
who second-guessed him and the current team.

A well-coached Tanya Metaksa delivered a speech with the recurring
theme of being "swept away on a river of freedom."  Some of the day's
warmest applause came for several women who had successfully defended
themselves with guns.

Under the agenda item of new business several members took the
opportunity to ask questions of the officers and staff.  But no one on
either side could really get anything going.  An angry contingent from
Pennsylvania hammered on legislation that had been passed with NRA
support but their case was too complex to make a good sound bite from 
the floor.  

The loyalist contingent, mostly from California, attempted to present
LaPierre with an award, but it was ruled out of order.  

At about 1:30 resolutions came up on the agenda.  The first resolution
was a long, complex and confusing thing recommending unnamed directors
be brought before the ethics committee for reasons too complex to be
deciphered from the floor.

Before any action could be taken former president Dick Reilly moved 
adjournment.  Weldon Clark seconded and the 1997 members meeting was 
over.

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  Chris Knox wrote and is responsible for everything above this line.
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  Legislative hotline script
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May 5 update -- It was a great fight, Ma.  But we lost.

     I sincerely hope that NRA won.

     After a grueling all-day series of elections and
electioneering, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre was
elected by the board 41-31, defeating Director Donna Bianchi.

     Neal Knox was defeated for a second term of 1st Vice
President by actor Charlton Heston, on a vote of 38-34.

     Second Vice President Albert Ross of Arlington, Texas was
defeated for re-election by Des Moines Iowa Assistant Police Chief
Kayne Robinson by a paper-thin 36-35.

     All other officers -- President Marion Hammer, Secretary Jim
Land, and Treasurer Wilson Phillips were re-elected without
opposition.

     This difficult, often nasty campaign centered on an ad that 
first appeared in the NRA publications claiming that those of us 
who wanted to move or remove LaPierre intended to also remove 
President Hammer and ILA Director Tanya Metaksa.

     As the Board election came to a close, other officers were
named as supposed targets for dismissal, first Secretary Jim Land
then Treasurer Phillips.  No one except LaPierre was ever
targeted for defeat, but no one believed us.

     Knox withdrew from the race for E.V.P. in February, but
continued to be the primary target.

     The key to their victory was by a tortured interpretation of
the Bylaws that allowed all write-in votes to be placed on the
ballot for 76th Director, elected by all members at the annual
meeting.

     Charlton Heston was one of the 158 candidates on the ballot
and was easily elected with over 1,000 of the 1,400 ballots cast
at Saturday's membership meeting.

     As far as I'm concerned getting beat by Thomas Jefferson,
Andrew Jackson, Michaelangelo and Moses by a four-vote margin,
with some of my supporters not present, wasn't bad.

     The press was all over the place, looking for signs that NRA
was weakened or weakening.  They had to be disappointed, for I
kept telling them that there was no significant ideological
dispute, only an argument over finances and management.

     In fact, if Charlton Heston and Assistant Police Chief
Robinson do as much public relations activity as they indicated
they would, NRA should have a pretty good year.



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From:	SUBPAC::US7RMC::"[email protected]"  8-MAY-1997 07:41:26.48
To:	[email protected]
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Subj:	General news AND legislative alert

GENERAL NEWS:

We are pleased to announce that The Outdoor Message - that great paper where
GOAL publishes its news - has its own e-mail account.  Articles, letters to
the editor, and items for the Sportsman's Calendar can be sent to
[email protected].

Have you bought your GOAL banquet tickets yet?  Please make your reservations
for this great event by Saturday May 10.  Tickets are just $25.00 a person
for a great meal (fish or chicken) and the company of other gun owners is, of
course, a treat.

LEGISLATIVE ALERT:
On Wednesday, May 14, the Joint committee on Criminal Justice will be holding
a public hearing on 38 bills.  Included in these bills are some bills gun
owners can support, such as those to punish the misuse of guns in a crime
(including the GOAL filed S.195).  Unfortunately, the hearing will also
include bills on so-called safe storage of firearms, and bills to ban
semi-automatic guns from licensed gun owners.

It is very important to have a large number of gun owners at this hearing, so
please plan on carpooling with your friends.

The hearing is set for 1 PM and will probably be held in Gardner Auditorium.
 However, the room location can not be confirmed until 48 hours ahead of
time, so we'll send another alert on Monday, and also change our Sportsmen's
Legislative Hotline (1-800-338-6999) to that effect.

We hope to see you Wednesday!

GOAL staff
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                              Online Report
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                 F I R E A R M S   C O A L I T I O N
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May 9, 1997                                                Vol. 4, No. 7
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In this issue:

    Views from Seattle -- Odds and ends

    Shotgun News Column May 6 -- Neal's Seattle report

    First Vice-President's report to the Board -- Text of Knox speech


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A note from Chris

     There are half a dozen different overlapping factions among the
bickersome NRA Board of Directors, but Neal Knox seems to be able to
unite most of them.  Trouble is, they unite against him.  The anti-
Knox coalition now enjoys a slim majority demonstrated by the 34-38
margin by which Charlton Heston defeated Neal Knox for First Vice-
President of NRA.

     Pop was a bundle of contradictory emotions, but the outcome of the
First Vice-President election was not unexpected.  The night before the
election after friends and supporters had left, he said to me, "I think
we're going to be close, but no cigar."

     He took some satisfaction that it took no less than Moses to take
him out of "The Chairs," as the officers' seats at the dais are called.
"I'm actually relieved," he said at the end of the first day of
meetings.  "I feel like I've been pushed off the tracks just before the
train gets here."  He was referring to the weak financial condition of
NRA and the possibility that members of the Board, particularly
officers, could face personal liability if NRA's financial fortunes take
a turn for the worse.

     The issue was and remains the financial management of the
Association.  While spun to show an improving outlook, the organization
is deeply in debt and is financing daily operations with money that
should be going to capital assets, according to documents which I saw.
Anger over the management probe run by former director and businessman
Rick Carone boiled over in a classic case of killing the mesenger.
Carone was one of the Finance Committee members targeted with an
unprecedented negative ad campaign.

     According to Knox and other concerned Board members, how long the
house of cards can continue to stand depends largely on how hard the
wind blows.

                           * * * * *

     One of the most heated exchanges of the Meeting of Members was
between Wayne LaPierre and my saintly mother, Jay Knox.  LaPierre
maintains that the New York Times quote which had him calling Knox an
extremist was inaccurate.  Mom asked why he had not written a smoking
letter to the Times calling them on a misquotation.  LaPierre's response
was something to the effect of, "Gee whiz, I get misquoted all the
time."

     Strangely, in the hall outside the Monday Board meeting a Seattle
television reporter held a very fresh copy of the New York Times story.
Somebody either does not think Wayne was misquoted, or seems to like the
manner in which he was misquoted.

                           * * * * *

     Jay Lenno on NRA and Heston:  NRA is trying to get a more moderate
image with Heston.  The new slogan is "from my lukewarm fingers."

     Jay's writers have been doing some research.

     I have heard first-hand reports, not verified so far, that Heston
commented that ordinary civilians had "no need for AK-47s" on KGO (San
Francisco) radio.  I hope my correspondant misunderstood.  If the report
is accurate then Heston needs some better scripting if he's going to
speak for NRA.

                           * * * * *

     Watching an NRA Board meeting is usually like watching some arcane
game of strategy, but last week's meeting held some truly weird moments.
The election of First Vice-President was the first contested election.
Secret paper ballots were turned in, the Board took a break and then
returned to order.  President Marion Hammer announced simply that Heston
had won and called for the next election.  Board member (and law
professor) Joe Olson raised a point of order and asked for the vote
tally.  Hammer replied that that was not the customary way that NRA
elections were run.  Olson read chapter and verse from Robert's Rules
specifying that the teller's report was to be given immediately after
the election and cited an NRA by-law specifying Robert's Rules as the
rules governing the meeting.

     For over half an hour the Board batted around the issue of
releasing those numbers.  President Hammer clearly did not want it to be
known that Moses had won only narrowly (bad for the appearance of Unity,
you see) and was prepared to go to the wall.  The debate included a vote
to suspend Robert's Rules, which required a super-majority and failed.
With the rulebook out the window, I'm not sure what they would have done
with the rest of the meeting -- perhaps hold a boxing match.

     In the end, after about forty minutes of wrangling, Hammer reported
the score:  Knox 34, Heston 38.

                           * * * * *

     I also got some laughs from former NRA President Howard Pollack who
chided Neal Knox from the floor for holding "secret meetings."  The
"secret meetings" joke goes back to the time following the Cincinnati
where the losers (the "Old Guard") had decried the Federation's (Neal
and friends') "secret meetings."  At one annual meeting, Milwaukee, I
think, posters emblazoned "SECRET MEETING" appeared all over the
convention hotel directing interested members to a pre-meeting planning
session.  I did not have a chance to ask Mr. Pollack whether I would be
welcome in his planning session the night before the next Board meeting.

     Something I did question Pollack on was a comment that he made
early in the Board meeting criticizing Neal Knox's "improper" Internet
postings.  Everything Neal Knox posts on the Net goes through me.  What
goes up and when is my decision, so I took Mr. Pollack's comment
personally.

     I asked Mr. Pollack whether there was a specific report that was
improper.  He replied that he did not know specifically, that he had
heard reports.  I hope that someone will give Mr. Pollack this report so
he can make future criticisms based on first-hand information.

                           * * * * *

     Finally, a very personal note.  There were a bunch of folks in and
out of my parent's suite at the Sheraton and it appears that somebody
swapped glasses with me.  Surprisingly, they seem to have almost exactly
the same prescription as I (strong farsighted).  My glasses are smaller
and rounder, the pair I have now are Stetson brand frames.  Any help
getting our specs straightened out will be much appreciated!

========================================================================
   Chris Knox wrote and is responsible for everything above this line.
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                      Heston, LaPierre Win

                          By NEAL KNOX


     SEATTLE, May 5 -- A year-long struggle to remove NRA
Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre, or move him into a non-
management role, ended today with a 41-31 vote to keep him in
place rather than turn management over to California business
woman Donna Bianchi.

     Both First Vice President Neal Knox and Second Vice
President Albert Ross were narrowly defeated -- Knox by a four-
vote margin to actor Charlton Heston and Ross by a single vote to
Des Moines Assistant Chief of Police Kayne Robinson.

     The votes were 38-34 and 36-35.

     President Marion Hammer and all other officers were re-
elected without opposition.

     Both Knox and Ross will continue to serve on the NRA Board,
having been elected for a three-year and one-year term,
respectively, in the just-concluded mail ballot board election.

     The behind-the-scenes tug-of-war broke into public view in
January when the New York Times and Fox Cable Network reported
that LaPierre had accused Knox of "extremism" -- which he denied
to the NRA Board at its February meeting but never protested to
the news media.

     The key to the defeat of Knox was a tortured interpretation
of the Bylaws which supposedly allowed all candidates who
received a single write-in vote on the mail ballot to be placed
on the ballot for the 76th Director, elected at the annual
members' meeting on May 3.

     In 1994, the Board hurriedly changed the Bylaws to allow any
member present to vote for a 76th director for a one-year term.
The reason was to comply with a Federal Election Commission
ruling that members could not be solicited for NRA's Political
Victory Fund unless they could vote for at least one director (a
requirement subsequently struck down by the courts).

     The new Bylaw said only those candidates whose names had
been defeated in the mail balloting were qualified to run for the
76th director slot.  But because the old Bylaws called a write-in
vote as write-in "nomination," NRA's attorney provided an opinion
that all write-ins had to be listed on the 76th director ballot
if the recipient gave permission.

     So the ballot distributed at the members' meeting included
two "star-power" vote-getters -- Heston and Iran-Contra figure
Lt. Col. Oliver North.

     Just before the members' meeting began, President Hammer
allowed the reading of a letter from North withdrawing from the
election and supporting both Heston and LaPierre.

     Not surprisingly, Heston -- who had been made an Honorary
Life Member (NRA's highest honor) by an earlier board for his
television commercials and other efforts on behalf of NRA -- took
more than 1,000 of the 1,400 votes cast.

     Only after a couple of hours on the Board, Heston was
nominated by Roy Innis and supported by a bevy of LaPierre
supporters.

     The Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported "The meeting opened
with a prayer [by Director Don Henry] asking that members have
'insight, not insults, candor without rancor.'  Little divine
interference was evident, however.

     "Hard-ball politics dominated almost immediately."

     The newspaper noted that "Knox, seen by his opponents as
radical, decried what he called 'a messy family feud.' ... (and)
answered his critics.  'I have no apology for being zealous in
the defense of the Second Amendment."

     Many members were shocked by an unprecedented ad in the NRA
publications, placed long after the normal deadline, calling for
them to "Vote Against" eight candidates, including Knox, Ross and
four other incumbents.

     That "Winning Team" ad and other signed and unsigned
mailings to "voting members" claimed that Knox and his supporters
intended to remove President Hammer and ILA Executive Director
Tanya Metaksa as well as LaPierre -- which Knox denied.

     As the Board election came to a close, other officers were
named as supposed targets for dismissal:  Secretary Jim Land then
Treasurer Phillips.  Knox repeatedly stated that no one except
LaPierre was ever targeted for defeat or removal to another
office.

     The same ad appeared in other publications, but added a
ninth name, Director Mike Slavonic who threatened suit for being
made to appear in support of the "Winning Team" and opposition to
Knox.

     Five of the seven incumbents were re-elected, but came in at
the bottom of the pack, and Ross received a short term, filling a
vacancy.

     The Post-Intelligencer quoted Knox:  "I think it's the
height of flattery when they have to run Ben-Hur, Thomas
Jefferson and Moses to turn you out."
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              Report to the Board of Directors
                          of the
           NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA

                      delivered by

                       NEAL KNOX

                  First Vice-President
                       May 5, 1997


Ladies and Gentlemen of the Board,

     After the last few days, every one of us knows how it feels
to be lobbied by members of the National Rifle Association.

     In the past few days I have been cornered by dozens of NRA
members -- some of them members of this Board.

     Their message has been:  "This internal fighting must be
stopped.  These problems must be fixed."

     I have told more people than I could count:  "Every member
of this board has the same ultimate objective:  Doing what's best
for the NRA and doing what's best to further and protect the
Second Amendment."

     I have told them:  "The problems will be fixed.  The
squabbling will be stopped.  But I confess I don't yet know how."

     Fellow members of the Board, I think we're getting close to
the solutions that will start solving the problems and begin the
healing process.

     The solutions I've heard discussed, and have been lobbied to
support, are not the solutions that I have felt were necessary,
and are certainly not the solutions that I would have proposed.

     Neither are those solutions the ones that would have been
proposed or supported by those on the other side of this noisy
family feud.

     But I'm becoming convinced that the new proposals are what
are best for NRA and for the NRA members we have the duty to
serve.

     As members of the Board of Directors we have certain
fiduciary responsibilities.

     We are entrusted by the membership with overseeing the wise
use of the  organization's resources.

     We are responsible for the Association's  finances and its
legal obligations. We are the chief stewards of the  Association.

According to law and custom, we appoint stewards below us, both
as employees and as contractors, our hired hands, and our hired
guns.

     We  delegate to them portions of our responsibilities.  That
is all as it  should be.

     But there is one fiduciary responsibility that New York Not-
For-Profit Corporation law does not address.

     Yet it is so important that we must not and cannot pass that
duty on to our hired  hands or our hired guns.

     For if we delegate this obligation, if we shirk  this
responsibility, we place the entire National Rifle Association in
the gravest danger.

     The fiduciary responsibility that we and we alone are
responsible for determining is NRA's mission.

     It is up to us to define what this great Association can do
and what it must be.

     It is up to us, the Board of Directors, to determine what this
great Association dreams and what it dares.

     I am talking about the vision of this Association.

     And I submit to you that we, this Board, all of us have shirked
the responsibility of defining and maintaining that vision.

     I further submit that the present bitter strife is the price of
passing that responsibility on to hired hands and to hired guns.

     The erosion of a vision is a gradual process.  No single person
is to blame, yet we all are to blame.  The erosion has happened,
as erosion will, slowly over a period of years.

     We've barely noticed it.  The various factions have focused
inwardly, each concentrating on tactical, short-term advantage.
As we concentrated on the tactical, the short-term,  we have
allowed others to fill the vacuum -- to gradually substitute
their vision for ours.

     But we haven't done everything wrong.  Over the past several
years, we have done a good job of recruiting to the Board
directors who have the  strength of character and the vision to
take the reins of this  Association and direct it into the next
millennium.

     But with that strength of character and individual vision comes
challenge.

     Anyone with the determination and strength of character to become
an NRA director is by definition a strong personality.  Strong
personalities sometimes disagree, sometimes simply clash.

     Anyone with zealous regard for the Second Amendment and for the
National Rifle Association -- and this Board, unlike some older Boards,
certainly shares that zealousness.

     Any who are so zealous as to serve on this board are by
definition going to be zealous enough to occasionally step on
toes.

     We would all do well to be more aware of when we are being
hurtful and when we are being thin-skinned -- and none more than
me.

     Anyone with the vision to become an NRA Director owns a piece of
the Association's vision.

     And he or she owes it to the Association to make his or her
vision part of the Association's vision -- and to be an effective
advocate for  his or her vision and to bring that vision to
fruition.

     We may not and will not agree on every facet of the Association's
vision.

     We may not and will not agree on every detail of how we can
achieve that vision.

     But we need to focus for a bit on that vision of NRA that we all
agree on.  Focus on what binds us together rather than fixate on what
drives us apart.

     There are some facets of the vision we all share.  We all see
an America  where the public perceives a gun not a symbol of crime
or danger or fear, but as a symbol of independence, of strength,
of liberty and of freedom -- and as the means of protecting self,
family, community and our nation.

     That is how firearms were once perceived by the overwhelming
majority of this nation.  And that is what this nation must once
again perceive when they see a gun.

     We can all see an American city where the citizen does not
walk in fear of  the predator, but where the scavenger skulks
away in fear of honest arms.

     We can all see an America where the high school rifle team is
as important as the high school football team.  Where Kim Rohde's
name is as well recognized and respected as Mary Lou Retton's.

     These are pieces of the vision we share.  That is what we have in
common.  And that vision is the vision of the people who elected
us and  who pay the bills.

     But over the past several years, our vision has become clouded.

     That is because we have left it to *others* to define our vision.

     That is because we have allowed *others* to obscure that which
brings us together, to blur even how we see each other.

     A few years ago, we allowed *others*, our hired guns to convince
us that  our President, Tom Washington was a "walking P.R. disaster."
As a result,  a good man's character was smeared.  I am ashamed to
admit that I too believed the slander and the gossip.

      For that, I am ashamed and I beg the  forgiveness of his family
and those of you who were close to him.  Only when it was too
late did the light dawn and I realized  that I had been deceived.

     I'm not making excuses, I'm simply stating fact.   The truth is,
many of us bought into vicious fabrications.

     We cannot let *others* continue to divide us.

     We cannot continue to let others cause this Board to spat and
snarl and fight, while those others usurp our right and our duty
to define our vision and the goals of this great association.

     We must stop this circular firing squad, and turn our energies
and our rhetorical guns toward our real enemies -- in the press,
in the legislatures, on Capitol Hill and in the White House.

     For sometimes being too harsh with my friends, I apologize.

     For sometimes not paying enough attention to your thoughts, to
your ideas, to your vision for NRA,  I apologize.

     But I have no apology for being too zealous in defense of the
Second Amendment.

     I have no apology for being too zealous in defense of the NRA.

     For the NRA and its mission are critical to the future not just
of the Second Amendment, but of the Fourth, the Tenth, and yes
the First Amendment.

     The future and vision of NRA is critical to the Bill of Rights,
to the entire U.S. Constitution, and to the United States.

     Having said that, let me close with one more thought:  Not one of
us in this room is indispensable to NRA and its historic mission.

     I have been an NRA member, and a warrior for NRA and the Second
Amendment for more than 40 years.

     Most of us will not be here 40 years from now.

     But the NRA must be.

     The Second Amendment must be.

     None of us is indispensable in this fight, for we will all
eventually be dispensed with.

     None of us is indispensable to this fight, but the fight is
indispensable to freedom.

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5437.972Charlton Heston says you don't need an AK47!!FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Sun May 11 1997 11:43186
Forwarded to you as I received it.  

Chris Knox

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The following transcript is verbatim, without alteration, and
includes misspellings.
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    DATE    May 6, 1997
    TIME    8:00 - 9:00 AM (PT)
 STATION    KGO-AM  (ABC)
LOCATION    San Francisco
 PROGRAM    Morning Drive Time



            Ted Wygant, anchor:

               Well this is very appropriate to talk with Moses as 
            we talk about it, at least.  Now let's say good morning 
            to the man who played it so well, Charleton Heston.   
            Good morning, sir!

            Charleton Heston (Actor/NRA Board Member): And good   
            morning to you, Mister Wygant.

            Wygant:  Well, we're delighted to have you with us, and 
            we appreciate your time because you have taken on a   
            task that I think a lot of folks might have backed    
            away with because a lot of concern about the National 
            Rifle Association.

            Heston:  Our country belongs to Hercules, doesn't it?

            Wygant:  Yeah, right.  What made you do it?  How come 
            you want to get in the middle of this?

            Heston:  Well, I've, of course, been- found myself in 
            the arena, if you will, on a number of public sector  
            causes.  I suppose starting back when I started       
            demonstrating for civil rights back in 1961.  Long    
            before it got fashionable in Hollywood.  And then the 
            Screen Actors Guild, and the National Endowment For The 
            Arts, and the Separate Theater Group, and so on- and  
            then the Presidential Task force, and the Arts and    
            Humanities.  And I've been a member of- of the National 
            Rifle Association for, oh, twenty years or more.  When 
            I was a kid in Michigan, in the Depression, I lived in 
            a little hamlet in Northern Michigan with about, oh,  
            a hundred houses which contained easily two hundred and 
            fifty, three hundred fire arms of various kinds.      
            Mostly being used for hunting, of course- food for the 
            table.  But I was asked, as is true with all of the   
            jobs I've done.  Somebody asked me.

            Wygant:  Well, you've got quite a task.  And- and
            you've been named first vice president.  You- you're a
            member of the board at-at one point, and gee, you just
            zipped right up.

            Heston:  I just was elected to the board on Saturday.

            Wygant:  Yeah.

            Heston:  It's the primary defender of the second
            amendment of the Bill Of Rights, which is, of course, 
            a core document.  The Bill Of Rights is right at the
            basis of the American idea, those wise old dead white
            guys that made up the country knew what they were
            about.  And you- it is a mainstream issue.  Most
            Americans, in fact, support the second amendment's
            right to bear and carry arms, and there are, as you
            suggest, a few extremists, and some of them are- are on
            the board.  And we have, however, we- they elected- or
            re-elected in the case of Wayne LaPierre, and elected
            in my case and Cain Robinson's case- police chief Cain
            Robinson is now second vice president.  We re-elected
            Marion Hammer as president.

            Wygant:  Mister Heston, could I ask you to stand by
            here for just a moment?  We have to get to traffic, but
            I- I do want to continue talking with you.  Could you
            hang in for a minute?         

            Heston:  Yeah.

            Wygant:  Okay, good.  Thanks.

                        ****************

            Wygant:  Okay, right now let's get back to Charleton
            Heston talking to us from his home in Southern        
            California.  Let me ask you, you mentioned that there
            are some right wing folks- far right wing, still around
            the NRA.  Are you going to try to get them off the
            board and out of the picture?

            Heston:  That- that's certainly the intention, and I
            think it's highly doable.  Wayne LaPierre is- is a
            superb leader, Marion Hammer's a strong president. 
            And I think Cain Robinson and I can provide some useful
            support there.

            Wygant:  Now the image of- of the NRA has been an
            organization that supports the right of people to buy
            any legal firearms, and, of course, you go to any- any
            gun store- gun shop and you see things there that are
            big, and brutal, and deadly, and far more than you need
            for- for hunting or home protection.  Do you stand by-
            I mean, the image is...

            Heston:  AK-47's are inappropriate for private        
            ownership, of course.

            Wygant:  Yeah, but the image is that they're- the fire
            power of these weapons is far more than a hunter or a
            homeowner would need.  Why is it necessary to have
            those guns available anyway?

            Heston:  I just got through telling you.  The         
            possession- private possession of AK-47's is entirely
            inappropriate.

            Wygant:  Right, but AK-47's one thing, but I've been in
            a gun shop- I've been in gun shops, and there's fire
            power there that doest's seem necessary and that people
            worry about being out there in- in the hands of, you
            know, potential criminals.

            Heston:  I'm not certain what you're point is- that
            there are guns available in gun stores?

            Wygant:  No, guns that go beyond what a hunter would
            need.  In other words, why does the NRA support guns
            that have overkill?  Let's put it that way.  Shouldn't
            there be some sort of limit?

            Heston:  Well, for any certain time, AK-47"s are
            entirely inappropriate for private ownership, and the-
            the problem, of course, is not guns held by private
            citizens, but guns held by criminals.  And where we
            have failed, where the government has failed is with
            entirely cosmetic actions like the Brady Bill, which is
            meaningless.  I'm not even- don't even think it should
            be repealed because it doesn't do anything.  and it's
            been in- on the books for more than two years.  In the
            course of that time, I think it is, nineteen people
            have been arrested, and two have been imprisoned felons
            with felony records for trying to purchase a firearm.

            Wygant:  Well, we've- we gotta- I really appreciate
            talking with us.  It'll be interesting to see-        
            interesting to see how you handle the public image of
            the National Rifle Association and those in the far  
            right in the group.  And if you don't mind, we'd like
            to talk to you again.

            Heston:  I hope we can do that.
            Wygant:  Alright, thanks very much.

            Heston:  Mister Wygant.

            Wygant:  Thank you.  Charleton Heston from his home in
            Southern California, and the KGO Radio News time is
            8:23.

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5437.973FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Sun May 11 1997 11:438
    
    
    	re -1
    
    	If the previous posting is true and accurate, the NRA has taken a
    turn for the worst. I can't believe he would say that!
5437.974PEAKS::OAKEYSun May 11 1997 14:2712
Mr. Heston seems to think the second amendment is about duck hunting, which does
not surprise me.

To me, this means (making the most charitable assumption that Mr. Heston was
talking about full auto AK-47s, not AKSs') that fingerprinting, photographs,
background checks, a $200 fee and a three month waiting period is not enough for
the NRA, they want even more.

Mr. Heston, due to his elected post, is an NRA spoksman; therefore the NRA is
now *worse* than HCI given this datapoint.

                            Roak
5437.975ASIC::RANDOLPHTom R. N1OOQMon May 12 1997 09:213
It's pretty sad when they talk "second amendment" out of one side of their
mouth, and "ban quasi-military guns" out of the other. Gee, I remember
something about a "militia" in there... a military organization of citizens.
5437.976PEAKS::OAKEYMon May 12 1997 13:059
>>It's pretty sad when they talk "second amendment" out of one side of their
>>mouth, and "ban quasi-military guns" out of the other.

I'm having a hard time deciding if Heston is talking about the full-auto AK47,
or the semi-auto AKS.  I don't give him the benefit of the doubt of knowing the
difference; pretty sad when you can't assume that the 1st VP of the NRA is
knowledgable on the topic of firearms... :-(

                         Roak
5437.977ALFSS2::HENDERSON_JMon May 12 1997 13:1712
    
     Hi,
    
     Someone should remind him,that AK-47s are not illegal,but a
    "permitted" and "taxed" firearm,under the correct circumstances,in
    accordance with the NFA and GCA.
     If he was expressing an opinion,thats one thing,as an NRA spokes
    person that is something quite different. As a public figure,with a
    known position with the NRA,he needs to hold the line on public
    expression of an opinion,and express the opinion of the members he is
    "seen" to represent.
5437.978Heston's known position..FIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Mon May 12 1997 14:0811
 He has always been know as `hunting' not the second ammendment, I have
 seen/heard no surprises since his elections.

 Where on earth does the number 70% come from relative to his winning
 votes?  It did not appear that he was even on my ballot?  It would
 seem that a write in campaign was waged, and then the operational staff
 of the NRA (not the rank and file membership) voted him in with a 70%
 margin. 

 Bruce
5437.979PEAKS::OAKEYMon May 12 1997 14:3051
                      Heston, LaPierre Win
                          By NEAL KNOX
                               .
                               .
                               .
     Both First Vice President Neal Knox and Second Vice
President Albert Ross were narrowly defeated -- Knox by a four-
vote margin to actor Charlton Heston and Ross by a single vote to
Des Moines Assistant Chief of Police Kayne Robinson.

     The votes were 38-34 and 36-35.
                               .
                               .
                               .
     The key to the defeat of Knox was a tortured interpretation
of the Bylaws which supposedly allowed all candidates who
received a single write-in vote on the mail ballot to be placed
on the ballot for the 76th Director, elected at the annual
members' meeting on May 3.
                               .
                               .
                               .
     In 1994, the Board hurriedly changed the Bylaws to allow any
member present to vote for a 76th director for a one-year term.
The reason was to comply with a Federal Election Commission
ruling that members could not be solicited for NRA's Political
Victory Fund unless they could vote for at least one director (a
requirement subsequently struck down by the courts).
                               .
                               .
                               .
     The new Bylaw said only those candidates whose names had
been defeated in the mail balloting were qualified to run for the
76th director slot.  But because the old Bylaws called a write-in
vote as write-in "nomination," NRA's attorney provided an opinion
that all write-ins had to be listed on the 76th director ballot
if the recipient gave permission.

     So the ballot distributed at the members' meeting included
two "star-power" vote-getters -- Heston and Iran-Contra figure
Lt. Col. Oliver North.
                               .
                               .
                               .
     Not surprisingly, Heston -- who had been made an Honorary
Life Member (NRA's highest honor) by an earlier board for his
television commercials and other efforts on behalf of NRA -- took
more than 1,000 of the 1,400 votes cast.

           [and that's where the "over 70%" comes from]
5437.980CSC32::D_PELTONENMon May 12 1997 14:3214
    
    This is a heist of the NRA by the "sporting purpose" crowd...bet
    ol' Klint is pretty proud right about now. Note that Heston also
    talks about unity in the NRA, then says it's "doable" to get rid
    of the "extremist" types (Knox, of course). Much as I admire Tanya,
    who writes such great rhetoric, this NRA reminds me of the "Old
    Guard" NRA that sought compromise even at the cost of our rights...
    and thus spawned gun-rights organizations in the process as many
    members were pretty disgusted at the time. Mebbe these people are
    moles, designed to water down the NRA both politically and
    financially......
    
    DAP
5437.981Good news/bad news: HestonPEAKS::OAKEYThu May 15 1997 08:2291
The good news is that the NRA's First Vice President knows the difference
between full-auto and semi-auto firearms.

The bad news is that he thinks it's ok to "only" throw the full-autos to the
wolves.

                              Roak

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Subj:	[Fwd: This just in, Heston's clarification on AK-47]

Posted to rkba-co by "C.F.Inston" <[email protected]>
-----------------------
[email protected] wrote:
> 
> FYI: Heston's clarification on his AK-47 statements.
> 
> Posted by rambo on May 13, 1997 at 15:36:03:
> 
> This came from a source inside Soldier of Fortune magazine.
> 
> rambo
> =========================================================================
> 
> #Dear Colonel Brown,
> #
> #Thank you for asking me for a clarification of my comments in an
> #interview on KGO radio. When I spoke of AK-47 firearms on May 6th, I was
> #talking about the Soviet military rifle -- a fully automatic, not a
> #semiautomatic, firearm -- and what I thought was common knowledge.
> #Namely, that federal law has striclty regulated the private ownership of
> #such fully automatic firearms for 63 years.
> #
> #I didn't favor a cap put on this procedure in 1986 by the United States
> #Congress because no legally owned fully-automatic firearm had ever been
> #used in a crime.
> #
> #Regrettably, the distinction between classes of firearms is still not
> #understood thanks to distortions spread by the media and those who'd
> #destroy the Second Amendment.
> #
> #That's why I lobbied against the Clinton gun ban as a private citizen in
> #1994, and that is why I'll be honored to continue defending the Second
> #Amendment as First Vice President of the National Rifle Association.
> #
> #
> #Sincerely,
> #
> #ORIGINAL SIGNED
> #
> #Charlton Heston
> #

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5437.982SOmetimes confusion is OKVMSNET::RRICKI&#039;d rather be fishing!Thu May 15 1997 13:5624
    Roak;
    
>The bad news is that he thinks it's ok to "only" throw the full-autos to the
>wolves.      Roak
    
    In my experience its ok to let confusion of this point continue.
    Numerous times I've been in an arguement with an anti and he winds up
    digging his own hole.
    
    For instance, I ask the anti, "Do you think that if a person has to be
    fingerprinted, undergo a police background check equivalent to a secret
    security clearance, and pay a $200 Federal tax for a special license,
    that the subjected individual should be allowed to own a full auto
    subject to local law?"
    
    Usually the anti will say, "yes". Pointing out that this has been the
    law for 60 years will usually result in a "I didn't know that, that's
    not what HCI told me????" Now you've opened the door to question other
    things he's 'been told'.
    
    You get my drift.
    
    Randy
5437.983FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Sun May 18 1997 11:48256
From:	SUBPAC::US7RMC::"[email protected]" 16-MAY-1997 02:03:00.04
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Subj:	Heston on KABC (Los Angeles)

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This transcript has been abridged and lacks the citation information
that accompanied the KGO transcript, however it contains the juiciest
parts and I believe it to be genuine.  I look forward to Moses'
clarification, particularly regarding Neal's "militia" involvement and
the new NRA policy with regard to the Brady law.

Chris

====================================================================

    DATE  May 9, 1997
    TIME  3:00-5:30 PM (PT)
 STATION  KABC-AM (ABC)
LOCATION  Los Angeles
 PROGRAM  Larry Elder Show

[Larry Elder introduces Charlton Heston, asks why he ran for NRA
office.  Heston says he has been involved in various civil rights
groups since 1961, including Dr. Martin Luther King.]

Heston:  I must be a sucker for these things.  Seriously, I'm in a
position where I can do films and plays and at the same time serve
an organization like the NRA.

Elder:  I'm speaking with Charlton Heston.  Chuck has just been
elected First V.P. of the National Rifle Association.
     Now the guy who you beat ... or who most people thought was
going to win ...

Heston:   Neal Knox

Elder: ... was widely considered to be an extremist, more militant
than you. What does that mean specifically as far as policies are
concerned?

Heston:  Well I was very careful to make no ad hominem attacks on
Mr. Knox while he was in office and while the election was in
contention, right?
     But I think, as people with even much longer experience than
I on that board, say readily that he did indeed represent the-  I
prefer the term - extremist element.  I don't believe seriously
that there are any members of the National Rifle Association that
are involved with militias or that kind of (unintelligible)...

Elder: -- which is what he was accused of being involved in, by
some of his detractors.

Heston:  I'm not even certain that even he was actually involved in
a militia.  If he did he certainly kept it very quiet.
     But the bottom line is that for the past year and more there
has been all kind of hassling and accusations of failure to do the
job right, of wasting money, of funneling money to the wrong
agenda, all that kind of stuff.
     And, you know, in a sense--  I counted it up, in all these six
national and international organizations I've served and or led --
of course you get this kind of stuff.
     I think with Wayne LaPierre and Marion Hammer as President,
and we also elected a very good 2nd vice president, Robinson, Kayne
Robinson, who's a  Iowa police chief, assistant police chief.  And
there is a pistol of a guy.
     And Wayne of course is incredible in his capacity to raise
funds-  He wrote a book and went around the country trailing
thousands of people at every stop he made.  And that-  All that
counts.  And he's-  You know they say I'm good on the Hill talking
to Congressmen, and certainly I can get access on the Hill.  But
nobody does it better than Wayne.  For one thing he simply knows
the facts better.

Elder:  Chuck, do you guys want to repeal the Brady Bill?  Do you
want to repeal the ban on assault-style weapons?

Heston:  The Brady Bill in my opinion is irrelevant.  It doesn't
matter.  The hassle it would take to repeal it isn't worth what
you'd get out of it.  There are-  Most of the police forces around
the country do not do the background check that the law requires.
Why?  Because they're not supposed to do that.
     The Supreme-  The Bill of Rights rules that the Federal
government cannot simply impose on a municipal authority the
requirement that they do whatever it is that they ask them to do on
behalf of the Feds.  Now that makes sense, and it's in the Bill of
Rights.
     So to begin with, the essential purpose of the Brady Bill the
local police forces are not required to do and by and large don't
do it.  Even more important-  I think the bill has been in force
for nearly two years now and in that time there have been nine
felons caught trying to buy a firearm and who under the Brady Bill
were then brought before a court.  Three of them went to jail.  Now
that's not a very impressive record.

Elder: Yeah, and it's quite at variance with what the President's
been saying:  tens of thousands of criminals have been denied guns
because of the Brady Bill and turns out that it's just not true.

Heston:  The President, as you know, is given to making extravagant
statements, that don't  accord with the facts.  I put that as
carefully as I can.

Elder:  Charlton Heston is my guest, when we come back ....

(TRAFFIC BREAK)

Elder:  Dave, you're on KABC with Charlton Heston and Larry.

Dave: Hi.  Charlton Heston, nice talking with you.  I really liked
you in Hamlet.

Heston:  Well, thank you!  That was a wonderful experience.  I'm
going over to Cannes this weekend where we're trying to sell it, in
Europe.

..

Dave:  I just don't see how an organization could be against
something like a waiting period, a cooling off period, before
people could get handguns.

Heston:  Because of the Brady Bill.  Well, that's in force.  The
Brady Bill is meaningless.  For one thing it mandates that every
police force check the files of people trying to buy a firearm.

Dave:  I have no problem with that;  I don't see how you can say
there's any problem with that.

Heston: Hear me out.  Hear me out.   In the first place, that's a
violation of the bill of rights because the Federal government
cannot say to a police force you have to do this work because we do
not have the money to do it, and you do it.  And that's really,
that's a no-no.
     Far more important is the fact that nonetheless some
background checks-  The President says, in error, there have
hundreds of thousands -- that's a bit of hyperbole.  But there have
been, in the two years, the nearly two years that the bill has been
in effect there have been seven felons  ...

[lost communication]
Elder:  The point that you were making, that you were making a
little bit ago is that it's not doing anything at all.

Heston:  I don't care if they keep the Brady Act forever

Elder:  And the people that we don't want to have guns don't go to
gun stores and buy them.  They get them on the black market.

..

Elder:  Collin is in Sherman Oaks.

..

Collin:  I've been watching your movies since I was a little kid.

Heston:  I'm glad to hear it; I hope you haven't quit.  I've got
Hamlet in the theaters right now.

[discussion about films]

Collin:  I'm an NRA member, actually a Lifetime member.  Actually,
I was very pleased about you becoming the First Vice President.

Heston:  Thank you, I'm going to do my best.

Collin:  Actually, I was watching the media reviews, the liberal
media, and actually they gave you a very good review.

Heston:  Indeed they did.  I must say the Washington Post and the
L.A. Times all were surprisingly courteous, and I appreciate that.

[Talked about Heston's book, In the Arena, and Steven Spielberg's
gun collection, which Heston said was one of the best in the
country, but that Spielberg never talks about it and never shoots
in public, "that's his choice"]

..

Collin:  I hope you can persuade Spielberg to come out, and stay
there, in public.

Heston:  I'm not interested in baiting Steven Spielberg into coming
out.  Why should I.  He's a grown man; he gets to choose what he
wants to do.
     No, I'm not going to hack at him.  That's ridiculous.

Elder:  David is in L.A.--

David: ... I resigned from the NRA a couple of years ago because
the literature I was getting in the mail was beginning to seem kind
of disturbing.

Heston:  I'm not surprised you did that sir.  A good many people
did.

Elder:  Your membership fell from 3.5 million to, what is it now,
2.8?

Heston:  Well of course it's rising now, now that we have a new
slate of officers.

I think -- if I dare say this -- you were right to resign;  you
were certainly within your purview to do so.  But I think that now
we have a good leadership team-  You know I've done this with six
different organizations, going back to the civil rights movement in
1961, as I was saying to Larry earlier -- ...  -- and every time
there is some dissident group.  Perhaps not quite as active as the
one in NRA but I think you get the good guys in and they clean it
up.  And I think that's going to happen.  Wayne and Marion Hammer
are superb leaders.

..

Elder:  Charlton, I know you have to go ... I heard you say that
you didn't leave the Democratic Party that the Democrat Party left
you.

Heston:  I worked for Adalai Stevenson; I worked for Jack Kennedy
and voted him, and I had planned, looked forward to working for
Bob-  Robert Kennedy but it is true that behind the backs of a lot
of Americans the Democratic Party slid sharply to the left, in the
Sixties, and I got uncomfortable with it.  And that was the reason
why I-  I never had been a member, but I had been active in
supporting candidates.  There are good guys in the Democratic Party
but not in leadership positions.

Elder:  Charlton Heston has been my guest, author of In the Arena,
starred in a number of films, and now First V.P. of NRA.
[Closing chit-chat]
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May 18, 1997                                               Vol. 4, No. 8
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In this issue:

    Chris: Resign NRA?  A challenge to the Internet firearms community

    Shotgun News Column May 10 -- Moses Goes Astray

========================================================================

A note from Chris

NRA First Vice-President Charlton Heston has created quite a stir in the 
firearms community over the past couple of weeks with what appear to be 
sweeping reformulations of NRA policy.  Since an officer always speaks for 
the Association, Heston's statements are policy until such time as the 
policy is revoked by the officers or the Board.

The weasly "clarification" letter from Heston to NRA Director Robert K. 
Brown does nothing to resolve the issue.  Heston says he only meant real 
full-auto AK-47s.  So anyone who owns a Class III arm is acting 
"inappropriately?"  And he never even mentions Brady in his letter whil on 
KGO he was effectively pulling NRA out of the fight.  I'm not buying it, 
and from what I've seen, neither is the larger portion of the Internet 
firearms crowd.

Maybe I'm cynical (maybe I have reason to be), but I don't see Heston's 
statements at KGO or KABC as simple misstatements of an elderly actor who 
isn't accustomed to working without a scipt.  I suspect that Heston's 
statements, both the words and the tone behind them, are carefully 
scripted.  I have a report that Heston will be on a Sunday news show on 
Fox to discuss "new directions for NRA."  It's bad.  It will get worse.

I've been cc'd on more than a few resignations.  If you are thinking of 
resigning NRA, I challenge you to do something that will have more effect 
on the organization and on the political process than simply walking away.  

Become active in NRA politics.  

With somewhere between 2 and 3 million members, NRA is comparable in size 
to many state political parties.  If we gun rights activists can't wield 
real influence within the organization that supposedly belongs to us, how 
in the world do we expect to make anything happen in the larger political 
arena?

If you have the credentials, skills and station to run for the NRA Board, 
you owe it to your country to circulate a petition.  I'll help.  Send me 
your petition and a bio suitable for the ballot issue of the magazine 
along with at least two endorsements.  Earn my endorsement and I'll 
advertise you candidacy.  From this bully little pulpit I will encourage 
wired readers to exercise the influence they have in their own clubs.  

We who spend a portion of our lives in the Net, like any community, tend 
to become insular, to focus inwardly.  We sometimes forget that there is a 
world beyond what we see every day.  A world that may hardly be aware of 
us.  I propose that we make our presence known.  

                           * * * * *

In your next issue of The American Rifleman you'll note the absence of 
"Knox's Notebook."  According to NRA that page belongs to the First Vice-
President.  Odd, Pop was writing that column before he became 1VP.  I 
wonder whether Second Vice-President Kayne Robinson will have a similar 
opportunity to share his views with us as then Second Vice-President Knox 
did in 1994.  

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                       'Moses' Goes Astray
                          By NEAL KNOX
     WASHINGTON, D.C. (May 10) -- The day after he was elected
NRA First Vice President, Actor Charlton Heston told San
Francisco's KGO Radio Host Ted Wygant that his intent was to put
NRA "Right in the middle of the mainstream."

     As the first step to remaking NRA's image, he declared that
the Brady Bill "is meaningless" and "AK-47's are inappropriate
for private ownership, of course."

     That was on May 6, The Morning of "Moses" First Day as 1st
V.P. -- while the rest of the NRA Officers and Board were still
meeting in Seattle.

     Three days before, Mr. Heston was elected to the NRA Board
at the annual meeting of members (thanks to a tortured
interpretation of the Bylaws that allowed recipients of a single
write-in vote to appear on the ballot).

     On Monday, Heston was elected First Vice President,
defeating me by a Board vote of 38-34.  Then Des Moines assistant
chief of police Kayne Robinson defeated Albert Ross as 2nd V.P.,
by a single vote, 36-35.

     If I seem bitter, I'm not; it's somewhat flattering to lose
to "Ben Hur/Thomas Jefferson/Moses/the Voice of God" by only four
votes.  

     But I am angry that the NRA Board would ratify the trashing
of a fine man such as Albert Ross -- and the half of the board
who are deeply concerned about NRA's finances -- by replacing him
with one of the co-signers of that scurrilous character-
assassinating trash.

     More importantly, I am dismayed that a carefully scripted
actor would immediately begin trying to rewrite the NRA Policy
Manual -- which includes a January 1991 declaration by the NRA
Board that "semiautomatic firearms, regardless of magazine
capacity, are protected by the Second Amendment."

     NRA's response to the flurry of calls from angry members who
heard the interview, or read of it on the internet, was (1) "You
didn't hear right;"  (2) "Mr. Heston's comments were taken out of
context;" (3) "He was talking about full-autos;" or (4) "He was
only saying that criminals shouldn't have AK-47's."

     All four are false, as the transcript of the KGO program,
made by Video Monitoring Services of America, makes clear.

     After the first break, Wygant says "the image of NRA has
been an organization that supports the right of people to buy any
legal firearms" but that gun shops offer "things that are big,
and brutal, and deadly, and far more than you need for hunting or
home protection. Do you stand by - I mean, the image is...

     "Heston:  AK-47's are inappropriate for private ownership,
of course.

     "Wygant:  Yeah, but the image is that they're- the fire
power of these weapons is far more than a hunter or a homeowner
would need.  Why is it necessary to have those guns available
anyway?

     "Heston:  I just got through telling you.  The possession-
private possession of AK-47's is entirely inappropriate.

     "Wygant:  Right, but AK-47's one thing, but I've been in a
gun shop - I've been in gun shops, and there's fire power there
that doesn't seem necessary and that people worry about being out
there in- in the hands of, you know, potential criminals.

     "Heston:  I'm not certain what you're [sic] point is - that
there are guns available in gun stores?

     "Wygant:  No, guns that go beyond what a hunter would need. 
In other words, why does the NRA support guns that have overkill? 
Let's put it that way.  Shouldn't there be some sort of limit?

     "Heston:  Well, for any certain time, AK-47's are entirely
inappropriate for private ownership, and the - the problem, of
course, is not guns held by private citizens, but guns held by
criminals.  And where we have failed, where the government has
failed is with entirely cosmetic actions like the Brady Bill,
which is meaningless.  I'm not even- don't even think it should
be repealed because it doesn't do anything."

     Clearly, Heston is trying to remake NRA's image.  What's
disturbing is that instead of educating Heston, NRA's Public
Affairs firm -- which also represents Heston personally -- is
trying to cover for him.

     I've long appreciated Heston's performances in carefully
scripted radio and TV spots for NRA, but when he takes it upon
himself to "improve NRA's image" by taking positions that violate
NRA policy, we NRA members must not follow Moses blindly.
                               ---
(For a copy of the Video Monitoring Services transcript send a
self-addressed stamped No. 10 envelope to Neal Knox Associates,
Box 6537, Silver Spring, MD 20916.)
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                              Online Report
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May 18, 1997                                              Vol. 4, No. 8a
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In this issue:

    Telephone Logs May 15 through May 18

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A note from Chris

I've been very prompt to spread news of Heston's faux pas; I'm sending 
this out so no one can say I only publish what reinforces my -- or 
Neal's, own view.  Heston seems to have gotten his script straight.  Now 
he just needs to get straight on the "extremist" bit.

========================================================================

     May 15 update -- There was a great quiet in the Washington
newspapers yesterday about a pro-gun conservative Republican
winning New Mexico's Third Congressional district.

     Just Sunday Washington Post political pundit David Broder
pontificated that Christian Church Minister Bill Redmond's quest to
replace Bill Richardson was "near hopeless."  Richardson resigned
to become ambassador to the United Nations.

     The district was formed in 1982, has a 2-to-1 Democrat
registration, and has never been represented by a Republican.  But
gunowning friends in that northern New Mexico district have been
hard at work since it was first rumored that Richardson might take
a job in the Clinton Administration.

     Admittedly they were helped by a split among Democrats, with
17 percent of the vote going to a Green Party candidate, who pulled
particularly well from the environmentally correct Santa Fe area. 

     Redmond pulled 43 percent of the vote; Democrat Eric Serna
received 40 percent.


========================================================================


     5 p.m. May 15 update -- President Clinton laid a wreath on the
Capitol steps for slain police officers today, and called for
tighter laws on firearms purchases.

     He claimed that the gun laws he has promoted are responsible
for the reduced number of law enforcement officers killed last
year.  Never mind that most cops are killed by felons, and that
more felons are in jail than ever before.

     Although the anti-gun folks like Clinton's words, they're
growling about his actions -- a trigger lock bill that he wants on
the juvenile justice bill, requiring locks to be issued to federal
agents, and announcement of a new Form 4473 firerms purchase form
that requires the buyer to present a photo i.d.

     ----------
     A 60-year-old Bowling Green Kentucky woman chalked up another
successful defense with a firearm early yesterday.  Ann Barry, a
school teacher who lives alone and obtained a concealed carry
license soon after the law went into effect last fall, was awakened
by an attacker breaking through a garage door.

     She grabbed her .357 and crouched in her bedroom as the 28-
year-old armed man came up the hall, looked into a vacant bedroom,
then turned toward her.  She shot once, hitting him in the side. 
He fired five times then ran into a field across from her home.

     The Sheriff said he thought she should get a medal.  That's a
good idea.  NRA should strike one.


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     May 17 update -- Hillary Clinton made it clear why the
Clinton's really oppose the Juvenile Justice bill -- it's not
because the bill doesn't include a trigger lock provision but
because it would allow juveniles who commit vicious crimes to be
prosecuted as adults.  At a youth violence seminar in Washington
yesterday she blasted the bill's emphasis on punishment, saying
that alone wouldn't stop all juvenile crime.  

     No one said it would, but it's better than a kid committing a
dozen armed robberies, and a couple of rapes and murders, then
having a clean slate when he turns 18.

     In a sniveling editorial yesterday, the Philadelphia Daily
News whined that "the juvenile crime bill .. essentially would
bribe states with big grants if they'd only get rid of their
compassion for children."  Right.

     The Senate Judiciary Committee may vote on whether to add the
trigger lock requirement to the House-passed bill next week.  

     Late Thursday night, the House accepted Rep. Bob Barr's $2
million funding amendment for a blue ribbon commission to study
Federal law enforcement methods and activities -- including an
outside look at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

     After the NRA meetings in Seattle I finally got a chance to
see the Dan Gifford-Mike McNulty documentary "Waco:  The Rules of
Engagement," which was being shown earlier this month in Texas
theaters.

     It's incredibly powerful, which is why the government-
mistrusting left is as stirred up as the government-mistrusting
right.

     I know more than most about what happened at Waco, having
talked to researchers, technical experts and Branch Davidian
survivors, but I saw evidence of FBI and BATF abuses I'd only heard
about -- and some things that were totally new.

     No wonder the Feds are calling this anti-government propaganda
and have been trying to keep it out of the public eye -- as they
did when they convinced CBS 60 Minutes not to run the infrared
tapes taken from an FBI aircraft during the final assault and fire.

     Gifford has friends on the Internet who are trying to line up
theater and college bookings.  Eventually, the sponsors hope to
make it available on videotape, but not until it has been accepted
as a "legitimate" documentary.  That got off to a guard start when
it was shown at Robert Redford's Sundance Film Festival in January
- -- to shocked audiences and excellent reviews.

     It was shown last month at Washington's National Press Club,
but I haven't heard a peep from the press -- except for an even-
handed previously scheduled article in the Washington Post's Style
Section.
 

========================================================================


     May 18 Update -- Newly elected NRA 1st V.P. Charlton
Heston, well-scripted and well-rehearsed, did an excellent job on
two national television interviews this morning.

     In a softball interview by Tony Snow on "Fox Sunday News,"
Heston made every gunowner proud.  He did almost as well --
probably far better than almost anyone else could have -- during a
totally hostile interview by Tim Russert on NBC "Meet the Press."

     On both programs he said "There are no good guns and no bad
guns," and that no one has anything to fear from a law-abiding
citizen with a gun.  

     But he contradicted himself by telling Russert that full-autos
were bad guns, and that there had never been a crime with a legally
owned full-auto since they began to be strictly regulated in 1934. 
That's almost right, but the way he said it was an argument for gun
laws.

      Probably the reason for making the distinction about full
autos is that he has taken a lot of heat for saying, on KGO radio
that the "private possession of an AK-47 is inappropriate."  He
said it three times, referring to "guns sold in gunshops," which
full autos aren't.

     However, Last week he said he was only talking about full-
autos.

     Otherwise, in today's interviews he followed the NRA playbook
right down the line, on the Brady Bill, one gun per month, trigger
locks, and everything else on a list undoubtedly prepared by
Handgun Control Inc.

     Thankfully, he didn't say anything about keeping the Brady
Act, or last week's claim that it is irrelevant -- which it is for
crime control purposes, but it's not irrelevant to the tens of
thousands who are wrongfully denied a gun, and the millions who pay
more money and go through days of pointless waiting before they can
buy a handgun.

     The only thing I would criticize is that he agreed with Sarah
Brady's line that there are extremists in NRA -- and since he has
repeatedly said I'm an extremist, without ever saying why or how,
I resent it.  He said he intended to "deal with" us supposed
extremists, "I promise you."

     Nevertheless, I'd give Heston high marks on today's
interviews.  I just hope his handlers keep him preaching NRA
policy.

     ILA Executive Director Tanya Metaksa will be on CNN Crossfire
Sunday at 7:30 p.m. eastern.


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5437.986Time to write Congress.. govt's outa control again..BSS::PROCTOR_RPC....Politically CorruptWed May 28 1997 18:0052
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This will make your day.  Reported on "Direct Line", the Paul Weyrich talk
show on National Empowerment TV.

The Treasury has proposed new regulations that will require ALL businesses
to
report ALL transactions of $500.00 or more to the Treasury Dept.  The report
to include the name and address of the payor and payee and the purpose of
the
transaction.  Not to worry, I am not a business?  In a Hawgs Ear!  You buy
that $500.00 plus gun at your local gun store, has to be reported maybe
including serial #.  Buy a money order at the Post Office to send $500.00 to
anyone for any purpose, has to be reported.  Sell a few guns and decide to
deposit in your savings, has to be reported, ah ha, dealing in guns without
a
license!  Draw $500.00 or more for vacation, has to be reported.  But, if it
will only save one life.

>From the Environmental Protection Agency new proposed clean air standards may
outlaw backyard cooking, lawn mowers, outboard motors, most internal
combustion engines, discharge of firearms and possibly even bovine
flatulance.

Unless enough people protest, these regulations may go into effect without a
vote of Congress.

DBB



cheers
chas
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5437.987ASIC::RANDOLPHTom R. N1OOQThu May 29 1997 09:123
Couldn't possibly be true... every single mortgage payment would need to be
reported, and many monthly rent payments, and people's paychecks.  The
treasury would drown in a sea of reports.
5437.988WMOIS::GIROUARD_CThu May 29 1997 09:471
    if the drowning were literal, that would be a good thing.
5437.989blub.....blub.....blub.BSS::PROCTOR_RPC....Politically CorruptThu May 29 1997 11:453
    I for one will cheerfully supply the life preserver... marked "Property
    of US Navy... 2400lb twin-fluked anchor..er... Personal Flotation
    Device".
5437.990Welfare state cash cows are developing wingsSSDEVO::PULSIPHERThu May 29 1997 12:0326
    About a month ago I read a newspaper article saying all wire transfers
    to another country of $500 or more must be reported...the drift being
    that large sums of illegal money (i.e. drug money, untaxed income) were
    being transferred electronically out of the country in amounts lower
    than the $5,000 (or is it $10,000?) reporting limit.
    
    I wonder how much of this is related to the capital-flight law passed
    a few years ago, where "rich" people were to have their wealth (not
    income) taxed for deserting the U.S. of A. by moving to low-tax havens
    (and presumably declaring themselves citizens of another country).
    
    Now that people can earn good money by working remotely (i.e. stock
    brokers, investment bankers, software programmers, travel agents,
    import/export agents, private investors...and the list will grow longer
    with time), they realize that instead of paying half their income in
    taxes, and receive very little benefit in return, they can live better,
    and less expensively, with very low taxes, elsewhere...and visit the
    U.S. of A. when necessary. 
    
    These people are the cash cows of the welfare state, which will be
    loath to lose them.  The people with earnings in the top 10% pay for
    the lions share of the taxes in the U.S. of A.
    
    Likely, the government is beginning to monitor the growth of this 
    trend...and will develop a way to tax this income earned in the U.S. of A.
    by people working in other countries.
5437.991AUSS::HAGARTYThu May 29 1997 20:2115
Ahhh Gi'day...

    You are right there, the Internet/Telecommuting is going to make life
    very tough for the high tax countries. Perhaps you might be heading for
    a VAT type of arrangement as well. They are starting to get going on a
    VAT here, because "we're running an European style welfare system with
    Asian tax rates!!" (hardly - we pay 49% over about US$35K - Hong Kong
    pay 15%).
    
    Anyway, while the US reporting of international transfers went from
    $10K -> $500, ours went from $5K to $10K in the same week. BTW making
    financial arrangements to avoid reporting limits is a (US) Federal
    crime.
    
    * VAT = Value added tax = Goods and Service Tax = Bureaucratic hell
5437.992handgun ban!FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Wed Jun 04 1997 15:23148
CONGRESS ACTION:            June 1, 1997
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UNCONSTITUTIONAL OWENS: Congressman Major Owens (D-NY) is at it again, 
ignoring the Constitution (and his oath of office), sponsoring 
legislation which should, by any rational measure, have been laughed out 
of existence. In our current Congress, however, it is being taken 
seriously. Owens' latest outrage is H.R.787, deceptively titled the 
"Public Health and Safety Act of 1997". The core of H.R.787 reads: "...it 
is unlawful for a person to manufacture, import, export, sell, buy, 
transfer, receive, OWN, POSSESS, transport, OR USE A HANDGUN or handgun 
ammunition." (emphasis added). In short, this is nothing less than a 
total ban on handgun ownership, unless it is kept and used solely at a 
gun club. Owens prefaced his bill with a series of "findings". Under what 
rock Owens located his "findings" (more accurately, which Handgun Control 
propaganda piece) is unknown, given the substantial and credible research 
showing Owens' "findings" to be totally false:

Finding: "...handguns play a major role, disproportionate to their number 
in comparison with rifles and shotguns, in violent crime..."

FACT: Fewer than 2% of handguns will ever be involved in a violent crime, 
and only about 10% of all violent crimes involve a firearm in some way. 
Further, where is the evidence that disarming law abiding citizens will 
reduce the level of gun-related crime? As criminologist Gary Kleck puts 
it, "...one has to take seriously the possibility that 'across-the-board' 
gun control measures could decrease the crime-control effects of 
noncriminal gun ownership more than they would decrease the crime-causing 
effects of criminal gun ownership." Simply put: deterence by armed, law 
abiding citizens works.

Finding: "...the number of handgun-related incidents in elementary and 
secondary schools has increased sharply, with significant numbers of 
schoolchildren...reporting easy access to and frequent carrying to school 
of handguns..."

FACT: Possession of a firearm by a minor is already against existing 
laws, as is bringing guns to school. Recall the case of the student 
expelled for bringing a gun to school, only to have liberal judges decide 
that the young thug was improperly searched and order him returned to 
school. Owens has decided that the proper person to punish in this 
circumstance is not the kid, not the gun owner whose negligence led to 
the kid's possession of the gun, not even the judges who hand down 
foolish decisions such as these. No, the real culprits here, according to 
Owens, are every gun owner in America.

Finding: "...handguns kept in the home are of less value than is commonly 
thought in defending against intruders, and they are far more likely to 
increase significantly the danger of a handgun fatality or injury to the 
inhabitants (including children) than to enhance their personal 
safety..."

FACT: According to the U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice 
Statistics (1994), "...about 83,000 crime victims per year used a firearm 
to defend themselves or their property." That number is severely 
undercounted due to the methodology used, counting only instances where a 
weapon is brandished or fired. The National Crime Victim Survey puts the 
actual number approaching or exceeding 2 million annually. "A fifth of 
the victims defending themselves with a firearm suffered an injury, 
compared to almost half of those who defended themselves with weapons 
other than a firearm or who had no weapon." According to the National 
Safety Council, in 1995 there were a total of 1400 deaths (in all age 
categories) from accidents related to firearms. This is fewer than the 
accidental deaths caused by motor vehicle crashes, falls, poisonings by 
solids and liquids, drowning, fires, burns, and deaths associated with 
fires, and suffocation by ingested objects; and only exceeds those 
accidental deaths associated with poisoning by gases and vapors.

     H.R.787 was introduced in the House on February 13, 1997, referred 
to the House Judiciary Committee, and from there to the Subcommittee on 
Crime. The democrats on the subcommittee are led by none other than that 
gun grabbing extremist himself, Charles Schumer (D-NY). Schumer's 
favorite debating technique, whenever gun control legislation comes up, 
is to accuse opponents of being "in the pocket of the NRA", and he will 
no doubt resume this charade if the Owens bill ever sees the light of day 
in floor debate. A survey of Federal Election Commission records for the 
1995-1996 election cycle, for members of the crime subcommittee, turns up 
some interesting facts: there are 7 republican members on the 
subcommittee who received a total of $36,550 from the NRA in 
contributions. However, there are also 4 democrat members, who received a 
total of $12,000 from Handgun Control, Inc.

     Although this particular piece of legislation is about gun control, 
it also represents larger problems with our present-day Constitutional 
republic.
     It represents members of the United States Congress willfully and 
knowingly ignoring the Constitution of the United States, which they have 
sworn to uphold, and thereby willfully and knowingly violating their 
oaths of office.
     It represents an attempt to enact legislation in total disregard for 
the facts, solely on the basis of a political ideology which blames the 
victim for the past failures of that very ideology. Political liberalism 
has allowed increasing numbers of violent criminals to escape punishment, 
resulting in ever greater numbers of predatory criminals roaming the 
streets. The solution proposed by Major Owens is to render the victims 
even more vulnerable to the predators which his ideological soulmates 
have turned loose.
     That such legislation does not bring howls of protest from American 
citizens also represents another problem: the confluence of a cabal of 
media interests and public "education" interests, which have waged a 
largely successful campaign of disinformation, lies, and distortion aimed 
at furthering, not the truth or the best interests of the people or the 
nation, but the narrow self-interests of a particular political ideology 
which despises the ideas of individual self reliance and freedom.

     At first glance, it might appear that the money contributed by the 
PACs is polluting the political process. Individual contributors, after 
all, are limited in how much they can give, so the influence of 
individual voters might seem negligible next to the clout wielded by 
PACs. Consider, however, that the total contributed to these members from 
both HCI and NRA could easily be matched by less than 2000 private 
contributors, donating an average of $25 each. And also consider the more 
important fact: PACs don't vote. No matter how much money a member of 
Congress piles up and spends, political offices are won - and lost - at 
the voting booth. Even if a private citizen doesn't care to send 
financial support to a member of Congress, everyone can afford a 32 cent 
stamp to remind members of what really counts: votes. It is easy enough 
in this electronic age to find out how your member votes on matter of 
interest to you; and to remind them that you are watching, and will 
remember when re-election time rolls around. It is also possible for 
individuals who are inclined to make contributions, to seek out some of 
the many interest groups which support their particular viewpoints, and 
to support those groups instead of the candidates or political parties 
directly.

     Republicans on the Crime subcommittee are: Bill McCollum (FL), 
Chairman; Steven Schiff (NM); Stephen Buyer (IN); Steve Chabot (OH); Bob 
Barr (GA); Asa Hutchinson (AR); George Gekas (PA); Howard Coble (NC).
     Democrats on the Crime subcommittee are: Charles Schumer (NY); 
Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX); Marty Meehan (MA); Robert Wexler (FL); Steve 
Rothman (NJ).
     House Committee on the Judiciary: 2138 Rayburn House Office 
Building; Washington, D.C. 20515; (202) 225-3951.
     House Subcommittee on Crime: 207 Cannon House Office Building; 
Washington, D.C. 20515; (202) 225-3926.

 
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5437.993STAR::KMCDONOUGHSET KIDS/NOSICKWed Jun 04 1997 16:5690
    
    
    Re: -1   
    
    I'll mail this letter when I get home....
    
    

Congressman Martin T. Meehan
House Subcommittee on Crime
C/O 320 Clark Rd.
Lowell, Mass. 01852


Dear Marty,


Marty, you've known me for over 20 years and I'd like to 
think that you'd consider me to be an intelligent,
reasonable,  and "middle of the road" solid citizen.  (OK,
forget hanging out at Captain John's with Bob W. during the
'78 congressional campaign....) What you may not know about
me is that I am a solid defender of the right to keep and
bear arms as provided in the 2nd Amendment of the
Constitution.  

I spent *many* a Saturday morning at the gun range with my
father, who also cherished the 2nd Amendment and was an
*extremely* solid citizen.  I was brought up to believe that
it should never be a crime for a law abiding citizen to own
and use guns. Period. 

I am writing to you because of H.R.787, titled the "Public
Health and Safety Act of 1997".  H.R.787 was introduced in
the House on February 13, 1997, referred  to the House
Judiciary Committee, and from there to the Subcommittee on 
Crime, of which you are a member.

The core of H.R.787 reads: 

         "...it  is unlawful for a person to manufacture,
         import, export, sell, buy,  transfer, receive, own,
         possess, transport, or use a handgun or handgun 
         ammunition."    

         
In short, this is nothing less than a  total ban on handgun
ownership.

Marty, this silliness must stop.  This type of crazy law
would have little effect other than to take guns away from 
law abiding citizens like me, or make criminals out of us
when we refused to comply.  It's *already* a crime for the
bad guys to have guns and they don't seem to be losing sleep
over it!  Pass a bunch of "gun control" laws and the bad
guys will *still* have guns. 

If you want to put a face on it, this law would adversely 
affect *me*. Not some bad guy. Me.  And I won't like it! 

It's that simple. Few, if any gun laws have accomplished
their original intent, because the criminals just continue
to break the law.  And this law would be a real stinker.

So, please report back to your committee that a friend of
yours, someone you've known since high school, took the time
to write to you about this proposed law.  Tell them that I
have a masters degree in public administration.  Tell them
that Fred Lewis's Constitutional Law class at ULowell was
the highlight of my college career.  Tell them that I work
in high tech, have 3 kids and a dog, and am *EXTREMELY*
angry with this useless Federal intervention into my life.  

Tell them that a lot of people in this country *care* about
this issue. Tell them that I vote with my checkbook as well as the
voting booth.

And please, tell them before it's too late.


Kevin McDonough
21 Bowers Ave.
Tyngsboro, Mass.
5437.994This could be the scene...BSS::PROCTOR_RPC....Politically CorruptWed Jun 04 1997 17:5613
    Well, Kev:
    
    I will be stopping by your house at Bowers tonite to confiscate your
    nasty, unpopular, dangerous, outlaw-mentality-supporting, free
    thinking, rkba-supporting firearms.
    
    Please have them sorted by assault-rifle, handgun, long rifle, shotgun,
    match-grade and other categories.
    
    And please remember that I'm doing this for  your own good.
    
    Mr. Congress-Creature Who Has Taken The Time To UnderStand Each And
    Every Law That I Help Draft For An Ungrateful Ignorant Populace
5437.995FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Wed Jun 04 1997 18:3639
From:	SUBPAC::US7RMC::"[email protected]"  4-JUN-1997 17:17:36.40
To:	[email protected]
CC:	
Subj:	NEWS FROM GOAL

Here is the latest alert from Gun Owners' Action League.

First, let us state that all of us at GOAL would like to
thank everyone who went to the State House this spring and
participated in any of the public hearings.

Most of the bills that concern gun owners and sportsmen
remain in committee.  All committees are supposed to report
out the bills by June 25th. We therefore expect a flurry of
legislative activity before the end of the month.

In other news, the Attorney General has finally followed
through on his so-called consumer product safety proposals
which had a public hearing last November.   A redrafted set
of proposals was put forth today, to partially take effect
on October 1. 

We're still analyzing this ill-conceived and
unnecessarily complicated proposal.  One thing is clear,
many experts believe the Attorney General has overstepped
his limits.

Please call your state representative and state senator to
tell them you think that the Attorney General should not
have the authority to enact regulations without legislative
approval.

Keep your powder dry and your pencils sharp.  It may be a
long hot summer!

GOAL STAFF


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5437.996SUBSYS::NEUMYERHere&#039;s your signThu Jun 05 1997 10:036
    
    	Why is it that this government is so confused that it is
    considering banning handguns and at the same time considering a
    reciprocity bill for license to carry?
    
    ed
5437.997it's not confusion, the system is supposed to be like thatNEWVAX::WHITMANgun control = 5% gun + 95% controlThu Jun 05 1997 12:1614
<    	Why is it that this government is so confused that it is
<    considering banning handguns and at the same time considering a
<    reciprocity bill for license to carry?
 
   Ours is a system of differing views.  One group of legislators want the
whole group to consider their view of how things should be and a different
group of legislators want the whole group to consider laws that are 180 deg
out of phase with that.  Let us hope that even if our personal view of how
guns should be regulated (NOT) then at least don't let the "ban 'em" crowd
get their way...

   I don't think it's the "government" that's confused, it's just our system
to let people with stupid views to open their mouths and try to convice the
world that stupid is good...;-);-)
5437.998SUBSYS::NEUMYERHere&#039;s your signThu Jun 05 1997 12:284
    
    The problem is that both of these bills could pass.
    
    ed
5437.999just a thought...BSS::PROCTOR_RPC....Politically CorruptThu Jun 05 1997 13:144
    >  The problem is that both of these bills could pass.
    
    I assume that this means we could all carry empty concealed holsters?