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Conference back40::soapbox

Title:Soapbox. Just Soapbox.
Notice:No more new notes
Moderator:WAHOO::LEVESQUEONS
Created:Thu Nov 17 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:862
Total number of notes:339684

786.0. "Unsolicited Commercial E-Mail Advertising" by COVERT::COVERT (John R. Covert) Fri Sep 06 1996 15:28

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786.1COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Sep 06 1996 15:3115
786.2CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayFri Sep 06 1996 15:3610
786.3BUSY::SLABCareer Opportunity Week at DECFri Sep 06 1996 15:405
786.4And the courts seem to be on their sideCOVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Sep 06 1996 15:446
786.5BUSY::SLABCareer Opportunity Week at DECFri Sep 06 1996 15:466
786.6the dark side of Alta Vista type programsEVMS::MORONEYYOU! Out of the gene pool!Fri Sep 06 1996 15:559
786.7people always value technology more than their own fleshBULEAN::BANKSThink locally, act locallyFri Sep 06 1996 16:0326
786.8paper mail = computer mail?CSC32::C_BENNETTFri Sep 06 1996 16:213
786.9COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Sep 06 1996 16:3111
786.10A few hundred thousand well-placed repliesAMN1::RALTOJail to the ChiefFri Sep 06 1996 16:508
786.11WMOIS::CONNELLStory does that to us.Fri Sep 06 1996 17:0421
786.12EVMS::MORONEYYOU! Out of the gene pool!Fri Sep 06 1996 17:2230
786.13BUSY::SLABConsume feces and expire.Fri Sep 06 1996 17:257
786.14ALFSS2::WILBUR_DFri Sep 06 1996 23:588
786.15I didn't think it sounded rightDECWIN::RALTOJail to the ChiefSun Sep 08 1996 22:1611
786.16@#$&@ junk mailDELNI::SHOOKI Golf, Therefore I SwearMon Sep 09 1996 04:139
786.17KERNEL::FREKESExcuse me while I scratch my buttMon Sep 09 1996 04:312
786.18RUSURE::EDPAlways mount a scratch monkey.Mon Sep 09 1996 12:0022
786.19spending to saveTROOA::BROOKSMon Sep 09 1996 13:1711
786.20BUSY::SLABDogbert's New Ruling Class: 135KMon Sep 09 1996 13:204
786.21SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Mon Sep 09 1996 13:2313
786.22TROOA::BROOKSMon Sep 09 1996 13:3920
786.23BUSY::SLABDogbert's New Ruling Class: 135KMon Sep 09 1996 13:4319
786.24SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Mon Sep 09 1996 13:503
786.25Unfriendly behaviorDECWIN::RALTOJail to the ChiefMon Sep 09 1996 14:1116
786.26ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanMon Sep 09 1996 14:134
786.27SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Mon Sep 09 1996 14:143
786.28CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Sep 09 1996 14:1511
786.29COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertMon Sep 09 1996 14:455989
786.30BUSY::SLABDon't drink the (toilet) water.Mon Sep 09 1996 14:506
786.31DELNI::SHOOKI Golf, Therefore I SwearTue Sep 10 1996 04:2418
786.32ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanTue Sep 10 1996 09:542
786.33TROOA::BROOKSTue Sep 10 1996 10:249
786.34SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Tue Sep 10 1996 10:273
786.35COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertTue Sep 10 1996 10:2810
786.36RUSURE::EDPAlways mount a scratch monkey.Tue Sep 10 1996 11:4414
786.37COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertTue Sep 10 1996 12:0310
786.38RUSURE::EDPAlways mount a scratch monkey.Tue Sep 10 1996 12:2416
786.39SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Tue Sep 10 1996 14:318
786.40RUSURE::EDPAlways mount a scratch monkey.Tue Sep 10 1996 16:3122
786.41COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertTue Sep 10 1996 17:0636
786.42PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BTue Sep 10 1996 17:106
786.43CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayTue Sep 10 1996 17:243
786.44BUSY::SLABGrandchildren of the DamnedTue Sep 10 1996 18:253
786.45POLAR::RICHARDSONI won't get soapedTue Sep 10 1996 18:271
786.46MKOTS3::JMARTINBe A Victor..Not a Victim!Tue Sep 10 1996 18:401
786.47RUSURE::EDPAlways mount a scratch monkey.Wed Sep 11 1996 09:5324
786.48COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertWed Sep 11 1996 10:3735
786.49RUSURE::EDPAlways mount a scratch monkey.Wed Sep 11 1996 12:0216
786.50BUSY::SLABA swift kick in the butt - $1Wed Sep 11 1996 12:095
786.51SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Wed Sep 11 1996 12:397
786.52COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertWed Sep 11 1996 12:419
786.53SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Wed Sep 11 1996 12:5221
786.54BUSY::SLABAct like you own the companyWed Sep 11 1996 12:575
786.55SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Wed Sep 11 1996 13:057
786.56BUSY::SLABAct like you own the companyWed Sep 11 1996 13:064
786.57RUSURE::EDPAlways mount a scratch monkey.Wed Sep 11 1996 16:3021
786.58BUSY::SLABAs you wishWed Sep 11 1996 16:315
786.59CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsWed Sep 11 1996 16:311
786.60SMURF::WALTERSWed Sep 11 1996 16:322
786.61LANDO::OLIVER_Bprickly on the outsideWed Sep 11 1996 16:341
786.62NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Sep 11 1996 16:362
786.63If NOTES were multimedia....PERFOM::LICEA_KANEwhen it's comin' from the leftWed Sep 11 1996 16:384
786.64SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Wed Sep 11 1996 16:465
786.65SMURF::WALTERSWed Sep 11 1996 16:471
786.66CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayWed Sep 11 1996 16:524
786.67FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn't free.Wed Sep 11 1996 16:525
786.68RUSURE::EDPAlways mount a scratch monkey.Wed Sep 11 1996 16:5320
786.69MKOTS3::JMARTINBe A Victor..Not a Victim!Wed Sep 11 1996 16:591
786.70ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanThu Sep 12 1996 09:432
786.71NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Sep 12 1996 10:311
786.72COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu Sep 12 1996 10:341
786.73SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Thu Sep 12 1996 11:1546
786.74ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanThu Sep 12 1996 11:242
786.75RUSURE::EDPAlways mount a scratch monkey.Thu Sep 12 1996 11:5231
786.76SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Thu Sep 12 1996 13:098
786.77Ooh-Err Missus.POWDML::HANGGELIsweet & juicy on the insideThu Sep 12 1996 13:122
786.78CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayThu Sep 12 1996 13:143
786.79BUSY::SLABCandy'O, I need you ...Thu Sep 12 1996 13:163
786.80RUSURE::EDPAlways mount a scratch monkey.Thu Sep 12 1996 16:2724
786.81COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Sep 13 1996 00:4537
786.82BULEAN::BANKSThink locally, act locallyFri Sep 13 1996 11:073
786.83COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Sep 13 1996 16:1728
786.84inefficaciousGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaFri Sep 13 1996 16:195
786.85LANDO::OLIVER_Bprickly on the outsideFri Sep 13 1996 16:252
786.86SMURF::WALTERSFri Sep 13 1996 16:262
786.87SMARTT::JENNISONIt's all about soulFri Sep 13 1996 16:354
786.88SMURF::WALTERSFri Sep 13 1996 16:371
786.89COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertSat Sep 14 1996 13:105
786.90COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertSun Sep 15 1996 01:125
786.91ALFSS2::WILBUR_DFri Oct 11 1996 16:289
786.92COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Oct 25 1996 17:3187
786.93BSS::PROCTOR_RAwed FellowTue Nov 05 1996 13:101
786.94COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertTue Nov 26 1996 15:2173
786.95COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertTue Jan 21 1997 15:3041
786.96SSDEVO::RALSTONK=tc^2Tue Jan 21 1997 15:343
786.97No, probably because sender pays....PERFOM::LICEA_KANEwhen it's comin' from the leftTue Jan 21 1997 15:3810
786.98BIGHOG::PERCIVALI'm the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROTue Jan 21 1997 15:5210
786.99NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Tue Jan 21 1997 15:595
786.100He came up with a creative solution to that problem....PERFOM::LICEA_KANEwhen it's comin' from the leftTue Jan 21 1997 16:016
786.101COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertTue Jan 21 1997 16:0310
786.102BIGHOG::PERCIVALI'm the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROTue Jan 21 1997 16:4115
786.103SSDEVO::RALSTONK=tc^2Tue Jan 21 1997 17:313
786.104COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertTue Jan 21 1997 18:4511
786.105POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorTue Jan 21 1997 19:101
786.106BIGHOG::PERCIVALI'm the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROWed Jan 22 1997 09:1014
786.107SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Wed Jan 22 1997 10:509
786.108EVMS::MORONEYUHF ComputersTue Feb 04 1997 13:4037
From: [email protected] (BonesG8)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Major Anti-Spam Court Decision
Date: 4 Feb 1997 05:24:00 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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Judge Graham of the Southern District of Ohio today issued a preliminary
injunction barring Cyber Promotions from sending unsolicited e-mail
messages to CompuServe subscribers on the ground that such messages
constitute a trespass upon CompuServe's proprietary computer equipment.  

The 32 page opinion is precedent setting.  AOL had previously obtained an
order allowing it to block Cyber Promo's mailings.  The order obtained by
CompuServe prohibits Cyber Promo from sending messages to CompuServe in
the first place.  More importantly, the Court's order is easily adaptable
to spam sent by any party to any ISP.  Conceivably, even an individual
could sue a spammer for trespass!

The Court flatly rejected Cyber Promo's arguments: 1) by opening itself up
to receive Internet mail, CompuServe was obligated to carry any messages
sent to it and 2) the first amendment obligated CompuServe to carry Cyber
Promo's mailings. 

A few points influenced the court:

1.  Compuserve had specifically notified Cyber Promotions that it was not
authorized to use Compuserve's equipment to carry Cyber Promo's mailings. 

2.  Compuserve had attempted to block Cyber Promo's mailings and Cyber
Promo had evaded the filter;

3.  Compuserve established it had been lost subscribers and subscriber
goodwill as a result of Cyber Promotions' mailings.

Cheers for Compuserve.   A copy of the decision should be available in
this group tomorrow.   
786.109COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertTue Apr 22 1997 14:209
As you know, I just returned from a 12 day business trip.

There were 75 messages from the internet in my unread mail.

*Fifty* of them were spam.

Grrrrrrrr.

/john
786.110SSDEVO::RALSTONProof that Jack is sometimes rightTue Apr 22 1997 15:099
    I know what you mean John. I've tried everything I can think of to shut
    the spammers out. I've reported them to their ISP, have an e-mail
    address killfile, reported to my ISP and returned the spam to the
    sender. None of this has helped. We have three different e-mail
    addresses at home and every night there are at least 10-15 spam messages 
    on each. The problem is these spammers change the from address and even 
    disguise the ISP name. 
    
    If anybody has any suggestions how to stop this I would love to know. 
786.111EVMS::MORONEYHit <CTRL><ALT><DEL> to continue ->Tue Apr 22 1997 15:3214
I am learning procmail for use on my internet ISP where I get my daily spam.
This is a Unix mail filter. The trick is to filter out (delete) all messages
from known spam sites as well as look for evidence where the spam really comes
from (don't believe the From: line) and filter on that.  I'll supply more info
once I learn. 

Spambots collect addresses from anything posted to Usenet groups, so either
fake the From: address or expect to get spammed if you post to them. Allegedly
they'll pick up email addresses from anywhere in the message.  Don't ever
respond to the "To remove yourself from our mail list send mail to..." since
they use these as VALID email addresses (more valuable! They can sell this list
for more money!!) 

They also mine web pages for mailto: tags (AltaVista's evil twin) 
786.112WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Apr 22 1997 15:537
    Who knows how to alter your "from:" line when posting to newsgroups?
    
    I get too much spam, and a lot of people are adding a false character
    (or several) in their return addresses along with instructions for
    how to really send mail in order to foil the spambots. 
    
    I'm using mxrn on an osf alpha ws that's also running DECathena. 
786.113BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Apr 22 1997 16:304

	Spam is horrible..... it seems to have made the transition from food to
email and keep everything intact.
786.114NAC::BULEAN::BANKSSaturn SapThu Apr 24 1997 10:545
    I'm beta testing the Exchange/Outlook plug-in to read AOL mail.
    
    It's gonna be cool:  The first real chance I get to try the Outlook
    Rules Wizard.  AOL is the only place I ever get spammed, and it
    constitutes about 95% of my AOL mail.
786.115SCASS1::BARBER_Aman-sizeThu Apr 24 1997 11:561
    Yeah, I like that feature with Outlook.  I use it exclusively.
786.116SSDEVO::RALSTONProof that Jack is sometimes rightThu Apr 24 1997 12:093
    >I'm beta testing the Exchange/Outlook plug-in to read AOL mail.
    
    Where can I get this?
786.117NAC::BULEAN::BANKSGoose CookerThu Apr 24 1997 12:126
    There's a link on Microsoft's web page under the Outlook product.  They
    direct you to some guy at AOL to email, and if he likes you, he puts
    you on the Beta test list.
    
    Presumably, it'll be released for Windows-95 soon.  Unfortunately, I
    can't induce it to work under NT 4.0.
786.118COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertMon May 05 1997 14:057
The latest multiple spam attack is coming from something called
"videosluts.com".

The mail claims that the pictures are live, and that they will do
whatever you tell them.

/john
786.119LUNER::WALLACEMon May 05 1997 14:515
       <<< Note 786.118 by COVERT::COVERT "John R. Covert" >>>
  >>  The mail claims that the pictures are live, and that they will do
  >>  whatever you tell them.
                                       
Even repent their shameless activites?
786.120NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Mon May 05 1997 14:541
"Paint my house."
786.121SSDEVO::RALSTONNo one has a right to my lifeMon May 05 1997 15:394
    >The mail claims that the pictures are live, and that they will do
    >whatever you tell them.
    
    So John, how was it??   :)
786.122WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon May 05 1997 15:431
    expensive.
786.123SMURF::WALTERSMon May 05 1997 15:441
    High bawd rate?
786.124Five more in the last five minutes!COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertWed May 14 1997 00:0510
	A A A R R R G G G H H H ! ! !

savetrees.com!

S E V E N T E E N   copies of the latest crap spam.

In just the last hour and a half.

/john
786.125COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertWed May 14 1997 09:104
_NINETEEN_ more of the identical messages arrived from savetrees during the
night, for a total of forty-one!

/john
786.126POLAR::RICHARDSONgot any spare change?Wed May 14 1997 10:391
    Could your reports of the spam be considered spam?
786.127EVMS::MORONEYvi vi vi - Editor of the BeastWed May 14 1997 12:5017
I have a method that eliminates about 80% of email spam for those who use an
ISP with a Unix shell account with access to procmail (a mail filter/management
utility)

Set up a mail filter that junks or bounces everything that does NOT have your
email address somewhere in the To: or Cc: field.  About 80% of spam uses a
bogus To: field (I've even seen NO To: field!), it uses the Bcc: field which
does not show up.

Danger Will Robinson! If you subscribe to any listserv maillists you must have
another filter rule preceding this to allow stuff from the maillist through.

I'll bring in the appropiate procmail "recipes" tomorrow (it's quite arcane
so I don't remember the syntax offhand)

For John and other VMS users: If you have Deliver installed on the system it
can do pretty much the same thing.